**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 10 02:59:57 2007
Aug 10 04:53:23 <joshin> josh@slug ~ $ uptime
Aug 10 04:53:23 <joshin>  04:41:06 up 100 days, 4 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00
Aug 10 04:53:42 <joshin> Time to update the kernel.  :)
Aug 10 08:25:24 <dirch_> hi
Aug 10 09:16:25 <mystiqu> I just changed DROPBEAR_PORT parameter in /etc/init.d/dropbear from 22 to 22222 (gonna change to openssh), rebooted (10min ago)... and now I can't connect to it
Aug 10 09:18:13 <mystiqu> doh!  never mind, much easier if u open up the correct port on the firewall :D
Aug 10 09:18:39 * mystiqu is tired and confused!
Aug 10 18:51:55 <johlin> I got my slug in the mail today. It is way smaller than I expected but anway, I am going to install DebianSlug right away. What do I need to do before I download the installer? I want to use a flash-drive as root filesystem. I install the slug like in the manual and configure network properly. Anything else?
Aug 10 18:52:35 <ch4os_> six-pack of beer;)
Aug 10 18:52:52 <johlin> oh yeah, I forgot that
Aug 10 18:52:54 <johlin> nothing else?
Aug 10 18:53:02 <ch4os_> nope:)
Aug 10 18:53:19 <johlin> great
Aug 10 18:54:19 <johlin> From what I've heard the packages are made for desktops with more memory than the slug. How is the performance with debianslug compared to the linksys firmware?
Aug 10 18:56:42 <ch4os_> i don't know, i've installed debian right away unpacking slug:)
Aug 10 18:57:02 <johlin> time will tell
Aug 10 18:57:37 <strohi> i want to flash my slug in some hours too .. but i think if you kill  deamons you dont need the performance will be ok johlin 
Aug 10 18:58:13 <ch4os_> if u want use slug for torrents you should consider swap partition
Aug 10 18:58:19 <johlin> I only need rtorrent (lightweight), samba and possibly lighttpd
Aug 10 18:58:30 <johlin> swap, right
Aug 10 18:58:44 <johlin> Doesn't the linksys firmware att swap when I format the flash-drive?
Aug 10 18:58:45 <ch4os_> torrent clients aren't lightweight :P
Aug 10 18:58:57 <strohi> lol
Aug 10 18:59:10 <johlin> rtorrent is lightweight compared to for example ctorrent ;)
Aug 10 18:59:28 <strohi> azureaus? :D
Aug 10 18:59:33 <ch4os_> lol
Aug 10 18:59:42 <johlin> java will probably kill the slug
Aug 10 18:59:51 <strohi> it need just x .. and .. java .. and .. some more 
Aug 10 19:00:34 <johlin> mihgt work on an obeseslug, possibly
Aug 10 19:03:56 <johlin> are new slugs underclocked nowdays?
Aug 10 19:05:09 <ch4os_> no;)
Aug 10 19:05:21 <johlin> great
Aug 10 19:05:49 <strohi> full 233mhz ? :D
Aug 10 19:06:16 <johlin> 266
Aug 10 19:06:27 <strohi> ah yes .. 133 .. 
Aug 10 19:06:31 <strohi> my failure
Aug 10 19:06:41 <johlin> that was considered killer a few years ago
Aug 10 19:10:54 <strohi> did someone build a webinterface for debian?
Aug 10 19:14:34 <ch4os_> there is webmin :) i think u can use it on debian
Aug 10 19:16:15 <strohi> i heard some thing about webmin .. that sounds like .. dont use it .. oder do it without this :]
Aug 10 19:18:01 <johlin> looks pretty good at least
Aug 10 19:18:41 <johlin> while I'm at it, are the time problems with debianslug solved?
Aug 10 19:19:17 <ch4os_> what time problems?
Aug 10 19:22:03 <pjanzen> Hi all, I try to upgrade my kernel from 2.4.22-xfs to 2.6.21 using ipkg but i cant seem to find the kerner-image-2.6.21 for unslung6.8
Aug 10 19:22:27 <pjanzen> Is anyone running this kernel version ?
Aug 10 19:23:15 <johlin> ch4os_ I've heard that with certain kernels, the time dind't work as expected. Might be fixed then.
Aug 10 19:24:04 <pjanzen> ok..
Aug 10 19:26:34 <pjanzen> Is there anyway to compile a kernel on a nslu2 / uNSLUng-6.8 ?
Aug 10 19:29:59 <mwester> pjanzen:  Unslung is 2.4.22-xfs -- there is no other kernel available (or it wouldn't be Linksys-compatible anymore).
Aug 10 19:30:34 <mwester> If you need a newer kernel, consider OpeWrt on the NSLU2, or SlugOS (aka OpenSlug).
Aug 10 19:31:45 <pjanzen> ok... hhm that to bad ... i have a usb eth device a mcs7830 chip which i try to get working on unslung but for that i need 2.6 or kernel-image-2.4.22 but i cant find that package either ...
Aug 10 19:32:27 <mwester> What is the name of the kernel module you need on 2.4?
Aug 10 19:33:09 <pjanzen> kernel-module-mcs7830 
Aug 10 19:33:19 <pjanzen> Depends: update-modules, kernel-2.6.21, kernel-module-usbnet, kernel-module-mii 
Aug 10 19:33:39 <pjanzen> this is from the ipkgfind site
Aug 10 19:34:57 <mwester> Ok, that's for 2.6 -- is that module generally available with 2.4 as well, or is it that it was not introduced into the kernel until 2.6?  (if it's part of the standard 2.4 source base, it can be compiled and added to the feeds)
Aug 10 19:36:29 <pjanzen> hhmm i have to look if it is in the normal 2.4 kernel tree ...
Aug 10 19:36:35 <pjanzen> standby
Aug 10 19:41:40 <pjanzen> I think it is not a default mod in 2.4, I have a second nlsu2 running debian which has a 2.6.18 kernel and i could compile it against that kernel-image ..
Aug 10 19:42:13 <mwester> Yeah, but that won't load on a 2.4 kernel
Aug 10 19:42:29 <pjanzen> yip, thats correct....
Aug 10 19:42:52 <mwester> Well, if you can find a patch to add that to a 2.4 kernel, then one could attempt to add it to the 2.4.22-xfs source and build same....
Aug 10 19:43:00 <pjanzen> I have the source for the mcs7830 driver
Aug 10 19:43:43 <pjanzen> and i can compile it if i hade the 2.4.22 kernel image
Aug 10 19:44:15 <mwester> The source will vary depending on the kernel the driver is intended for
Aug 10 19:44:55 <mwester> You'll find the source for all of Unslung up on the same place you downloaded the binary.  Also check out the wiki articles on the Master Makefile.
Aug 10 19:45:00 <pjanzen> true, the bad news is i dont know how to create patches ..
Aug 10 19:45:13 <pjanzen> Ok, will do ...
Aug 10 19:45:35 * mwester has gone through great pains to ensure that the source for Unslung can continue to be built over the past couple years...
Aug 10 19:46:09 <pjanzen> I can imagine that ... 
Aug 10 20:00:00 <pjanzen> differnt question, If i install a package using ipkg and it is done saying installing <package> to root where is it install to ?
Aug 10 20:00:08 <pjanzen> ie: Installing kernel-module-rtl8150 (2.4.22.l2.3r63-r19) to root...
Aug 10 20:08:20 <mwester> usually to /lib/modules
Aug 10 20:08:43 <pjanzen> yeah found it just now ...
Aug 10 20:09:17 <pjanzen> anoher strange thing is this
Aug 10 20:09:19 <pjanzen> -bash-3.2# lsusb
Aug 10 20:09:19 <pjanzen> Unknown line at line 1809
Aug 10 20:09:19 <pjanzen> Duplicate HUT Usage Spec at line 2650
Aug 10 20:12:05 <mwester> Yeah.  Ignore it.
Aug 10 20:12:10 <caplink811-log> strohi, swat for samba administration exists too
Aug 10 20:14:22 <strohi> oh thx
Aug 10 20:22:28 <pjanzen> Thnx for info mwester, it is time to create a wishlist entry i think :), I can compile a normal kernel, but is over my head ....
Aug 10 20:34:17 <johlin> I've connected a usb flashdrive to port 2 and it's recognized by the web interface (as in I can browse the files) but I can't format it because it says "not avalible". What should be the problem here?
Aug 10 20:34:53 <mwester> What firmware?
Aug 10 20:35:28 <johlin> linksys default, v2.3r24
Aug 10 20:35:44 <mwester> The linksys firmware can't format flash drives.
Aug 10 20:35:53 <johlin> I see
Aug 10 20:36:11 <johlin> if I want to use it as root filesystem for debianslug, do I need to format it before I run the install?
Aug 10 20:38:24 <mwester> I don't think so.
Aug 10 20:38:36 <mwester> The install should repartition and format it for you.
Aug 10 20:38:42 <johlin> it is easy to reflash if something goes wrong, right?
Aug 10 20:39:04 <mwester> Are you speaking of the full Debian for ARM, or for the (obsolete) "DebianSlug" install?
Aug 10 20:39:45 <johlin> the one with the tutorial on http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html
Aug 10 20:39:53 <johlin> which I think is the full debian for arm
Aug 10 20:40:08 <mwester> Ok, good.
Aug 10 20:41:48 <johlin> just 2 last questions before I fire this thing up
Aug 10 20:42:04 <johlin> 1. do I need to do anything with my external HD before the install? it will not be used as /
Aug 10 20:42:46 <caplink811-log> yes, backup your data is everytime a good thing ;)
Aug 10 20:42:54 <johlin> it's empty
Aug 10 20:43:04 <caplink811-log> so, the answer is no
Aug 10 20:43:06 <johlin> but I don't need to format it or anything? It's ext3-formatted at the moment.
Aug 10 20:43:08 <pjanzen> That will make a fast backup then :)
Aug 10 20:43:11 <johlin> alright
Aug 10 20:43:40 <johlin> 2. Because my flash drive for / is "only" 1gb, the installer will make the swap to small which means that I need to format the flash drive manually. What partitions do I need and how big?
Aug 10 20:44:21 <caplink811-log> that depends on your needs
Aug 10 20:44:57 <caplink811-log> but if you have only 1 GB available, one swap ~100MB, and the rest for the os
Aug 10 20:45:18 <caplink811-log> and what ever happens, you should have http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/FAQ in mind
Aug 10 20:45:28 <johlin> I have that open in a tab here, thanks
Aug 10 20:45:34 <caplink811-log> :)
Aug 10 20:46:15 <johlin> I'll download this thing then
Aug 10 20:46:25 <johlin> whatever goes wrong, I can always reflash, right?
Aug 10 20:46:37 <johlin> not with eraseall but with those other 2 apps
Aug 10 20:46:42 <caplink811-log> sure, if you dont use the linksys eraseall tool
Aug 10 20:47:07 <caplink811-log> k
Aug 10 20:48:31 <johlin> just gotta download putty. will you be here for a while so that I can ask if I need some help?
Aug 10 20:49:27 <pjanzen> johlin make sure you read http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/DebianInstallerDisconnectsSSH that will save you alot of headaches...
Aug 10 20:49:29 <caplink811-log> like always, just ask, someone might have an answer.. but myself is around the next 2 hours
Aug 10 20:49:42 <johlin> thanks
Aug 10 20:50:13 <pjanzen> it took me atleast a hour before i found this page a figured out what i was doing wrong...
Aug 10 20:51:06 <johlin> could I rather format the flash drive using partition magic on windows before I run the installer?
Aug 10 20:51:48 <pjanzen> hhmm i think that is tricky.. do you have a linux machine where you can do that?
Aug 10 20:52:41 <johlin> nopes, I do have a live CD lying around though
Aug 10 20:52:57 <johlin> but what would the problem be with using paritionmagic? It supports ext3 as well as swap.
Aug 10 20:52:58 <pjanzen> that would do trick i think...
Aug 10 20:53:22 <pjanzen> ok, well give it a go.... it can only cost you time ...
Aug 10 20:53:43 <pjanzen> i would like to know if it works :)
Aug 10 20:54:04 <johlin> sure
Aug 10 20:54:14 <johlin> I'll give it a try (and update the wiki afterwards)
Aug 10 20:54:30 <caplink811-log> that's a word
Aug 10 20:54:44 <pjanzen> kewl ..
Aug 10 20:58:12 <johlin> the drive doesn't show up
Aug 10 20:58:15 <johlin> gparted it is then
Aug 10 21:16:23 <dirch_> hmm, is there a known problem with xfs in 2.6.21?
Aug 10 21:16:45 <dirch_> when I do a cvs checkout on a xfs partition it is crashing the filesystem
Aug 10 21:36:21 <pjanzen> Thnx for the info .. 
Aug 10 21:39:41 <johlin> rebooting into gparted, be right back
Aug 10 22:15:18 <strohi> hey guys
Aug 10 22:15:35 <strohi> did newer slugs have a red status leds?
Aug 10 22:16:43 <strohi> strange
Aug 10 22:18:06 <strohi> damn shit -.-
Aug 10 22:18:48 <strohi> stupid wintendo machnines ..
Aug 10 22:19:00 <johlin> mine is orange while booting
Aug 10 22:19:02 <strohi> i cant change my ip range
Aug 10 22:19:03 <johlin> and then it turns green
Aug 10 22:22:40 <strohi> the slug is in flashmodus, but i cant see it
Aug 10 22:23:11 <strohi> i think i know the problem ...
Aug 10 22:23:22 <johlin> which is?
Aug 10 22:23:47 <strohi> my dslroute use the 192.168.178.* net .. 
Aug 10 22:24:06 <strohi> and the slug had default 192.168.1.*
Aug 10 22:24:25 <johlin> ah, yes it has
Aug 10 22:24:55 <strohi> 2 days ago i changed the ipnet of the dslrouter  and all works fine
Aug 10 22:25:32 <strohi> but the wintendo machines had the old ip as default gateway and it dont let me change it ...
Aug 10 22:26:05 <strohi> thatswhy i changed the new  to the old ipnet  yesterday :(
Aug 10 22:26:19 <caplink811-log> well, why you didn't use a crossover cable for the basic work on the nslu? and you could add a 2nd ip to the windows nic...
Aug 10 22:26:22 <johlin> I see
Aug 10 22:27:47 <strohi> caplink811-log, the windento deny access to the network options
Aug 10 22:28:14 <caplink811-log> hm, local admin rights may help ;)
Aug 10 22:28:17 <strohi> and i use the user with the highest rights
Aug 10 22:28:28 <strohi> crapy wintendo
Aug 10 22:31:35 <strohi> i'm dreaming of a network with  stuff from redmond :)
Aug 10 22:31:49 <strohi> s/with/without :|
Aug 10 22:34:26 <strohi> can i leave it in standby modus for about an hour?
Aug 10 22:34:41 <caplink811-log> yeah, bt therefore you should achieve admin rights on your workstation... 
Aug 10 22:34:43 <strohi> s/standby/flash
Aug 10 22:35:21 <caplink811-log> assuming, that you could let it forever..
Aug 10 22:35:54 <strohi> next week my parents go on holiday ..
Aug 10 22:36:10 <strohi> i make these damn win pc's new ..
Aug 10 22:36:10 <johlin> I'm installing the debian-firmware now. It's been stuck on 41% (loading additional components, retrieving libc6-udeb) for a few minutes. Is it normal? Should I restart the install?
Aug 10 22:37:05 <caplink811-log> johlin, dunno, using unslung and opendebianslug firmware, but, stay cool, and wait for a few moments
Aug 10 22:38:00 <caplink811-log> maybe, that the debian repositories are a little bit slow
Aug 10 22:38:39 <johlin> wait, nevermind I think
Aug 10 22:38:53 <johlin> tomato tells me I'm downloading something in 700kb/s and it's not this computer.
Aug 10 22:39:05 <johlin> *700 kbit/s
Aug 10 22:46:08 <johlin> this doesn't make sense though, the package is only about 1mb
Aug 10 22:52:52 <johlin> still nothing
Aug 10 22:52:58 <johlin> orange status-led if that matters
Aug 10 22:59:52 <johlin> can I safely reboot and run the install again?
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Aug 10 23:37:16 <strohi> what is the page about?
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Aug 10 23:38:49 <strohi> mngs are intresting .. but the other stuff ..
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Aug 10 23:39:22 <ting-tong16> how else
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Aug 10 23:40:20 <strohi> oh yea .. i join a community with spamming admins?
Aug 10 23:40:33 <strohi> lovely ..
Aug 10 23:41:10 <johlin> right guys, what kernel do I select?
Aug 10 23:41:17 <johlin> in the debian installer
Aug 10 23:46:00 <johlin> right, I will just pick the first one then
Aug 10 23:52:53 <strohii> re
Aug 11 00:20:15 <strohi> now openwrt is on my slug :)
Aug 11 00:26:43 <strohi> but no webpage on port 80 :( only a 404
Aug 11 01:28:48 <johlin> I've got debian installed now
Aug 11 01:28:49 <johlin> yay
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