**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 19 02:59:58 2007 Oct 19 11:01:01 nam'd Oct 19 18:46:13 moin Oct 19 18:49:45 nichts los hier Oct 19 18:51:41 Ok, I'm out of clues, and Google won't cooperate. Oct 19 18:51:54 What am I missing? Oct 19 18:51:59 Installed cups Oct 19 18:52:00 /opt/sbin/cupsd: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Oct 19 18:52:16 When i try to start it I get the following msg. Oct 19 18:52:22 My guess so far is ssl-problem Oct 19 18:52:35 Any ideas? Oct 19 19:00:41 Soheil: It was built with PAM support apparently -- you need to find out what provides libpam and install that. Use the ipkg search - that would be my guess. Oct 19 19:01:11 Thank's mwester Oct 19 19:55:59 Soheil: which version of cups are you using? Oct 19 19:56:14 Let me check Oct 19 19:56:16 with the latest one, i cannot replicate your problem Oct 19 19:56:38 ipkg info cups Oct 19 19:56:41 cups_1.3.3-2_armeb.ipk Oct 19 19:57:12 Package: cups Oct 19 19:57:12 Version: 1.3.3-2 Oct 19 19:57:12 Depends: libjpeg, libpng, libtiff, openssl, zlib, openldap-libs Oct 19 19:57:12 Status: install user installed Oct 19 19:57:12 Architecture: armeb Oct 19 19:57:13 Installed-Time: 1192645895 Oct 19 19:57:16 i also did an "ldd /opt/sbin/cupsd" and there's no libpam dependencies Oct 19 19:57:54 the latest is cups_1.3.3-3, but should be no different than 1.3.3-2 Oct 19 19:58:49 I think this problem might have occured since i originally tried to install cups through the optware first, got stuck on the part about printer driver (didn't know which kernel module) but then i found the guide for openslug and gave it a try Oct 19 19:59:35 oh, you're on openslug (slugosbe) Oct 19 19:59:45 Yes (still) Oct 19 19:59:55 I know I said i would go over to debian Oct 19 19:59:59 but I'm not there yet Oct 19 20:00:48 optware cups should not have libpam dependencies Oct 19 20:02:10 When I found some time on my hand I'm going to uninstall and remove everything that has to do with cups and give a re-try Oct 19 20:02:11 * eno installing optware cups on openslug Oct 19 20:03:05 /opt/sbin/cupsd starts fine there as well Oct 19 20:03:27 Ok, I'm doing this now: Oct 19 20:03:39 ipkg remove cups -recursive Oct 19 20:03:59 ipkg opt/bin/ikpg-opt remove cups -recursive Oct 19 20:05:25 personally i think openslug is a fine choice Oct 19 20:07:28 as long as you distinguish /usr/bin/ipkg and /opt/bin/ipkg-opt clearly Oct 19 20:08:42 /usr/bin/ipkg does not have cups ipk Oct 19 20:09:50 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/InstallCups Oct 19 20:10:22 I used this guide, and manually downloaded cups... Oct 19 20:12:16 that guide is kind of messy, manually downloading ipk's from optware/unslung feed Oct 19 20:14:12 Might be the explanation why things went wrong then Oct 19 20:14:23 why not use the optware/slugosbe feed instead Oct 19 20:14:50 see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe Oct 19 20:15:14 you can just "/opt/bin/ipkg-opt update; /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install cups" Oct 19 20:19:36 Tried it. Same error Oct 19 20:20:15 if [ -n "`pidof cupsd`" ]; then Oct 19 20:20:15 /usr/bin/killall cupsd 2>/dev/null Oct 19 20:20:24 Could this be the cause of problem? Oct 19 20:20:29 in the S88cups script? Oct 19 20:21:05 ls -l /usr/bin/libpam* Oct 19 20:21:23 ls: /usr/bin/libpam*: No such file or directory Oct 19 20:22:18 optware/slugosbe /opt/sbin/cupsd does have dependency on libpam Oct 19 20:22:44 and on my system, there is /usr/lib/libpam.so Oct 19 20:23:27 which package did install the libpam.so? mwester gave me the tip of using ipkg search but the only result ipkg search gave was Oct 19 20:23:30 # /usr/bin/ipkg search /usr/lib/libpam.so.0.79 Oct 19 20:23:30 libpam - 0.79-r1 - /usr/lib/libpam.so.0.79 Oct 19 20:23:47 so try /usr/bin/ipkg install libpam Oct 19 20:26:51 ...I can't belive it was that simple! Oct 19 20:26:58 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt search '*libpam*' Oct 19 20:27:03 That was what I used before Oct 19 20:27:17 I assumed that the libpam-package would be on the optware feed Oct 19 20:27:23 ...sigh :) Oct 19 20:27:29 Thanks for your patience eno Oct 19 20:27:52 no, it will not be in optware feed Oct 19 20:28:21 you can thank me by updating the wiki page Oct 19 20:28:59 I will :) Oct 19 20:29:46 thx, i'm away to get some lunch Oct 19 21:32:37 one Q here, Im still not sure all the time where am I on the system- what place is this "~/" ? I understand home, etc, and all but that place not. Oct 19 21:48:21 janneN: ~ is just a shorthand for $HOME Oct 19 21:51:57 hm home and ~/ is not the same directory. Oct 19 21:52:14 assume HOME is a dir I didnt know of then lol Oct 19 21:52:15 $HOME is different for different user Oct 19 21:52:28 it's set in /etc/passwd Oct 19 21:53:56 echo $HOME Oct 19 21:54:03 root:4TfosQsXUb.lo:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh Oct 19 21:54:15 as root, $HOME is /root Oct 19 21:54:41 the 2nd field from right Oct 19 21:54:49 root@SLUGOS:~# echo $HOME Oct 19 21:55:23 I got grip on it was there becuse torrent config got place there Oct 19 21:55:39 lese I had been unaware of it hehe Oct 19 21:55:44 *else Oct 19 21:56:07 well. one learn each day=) Oct 19 21:56:09 it's generally a good idea to create a separate user Oct 19 21:56:28 yes I have done that Oct 19 21:57:09 is it safe to run rtorrent as root? Oct 19 21:57:11 then set the home field for that user in /etc/passwd Oct 19 21:57:15 Hey Oct 19 21:57:36 no, it's bad bad practice Oct 19 21:57:47 Ok so i am l buying three NSLU2s and i have a few questions that i cant seem to answer on the site Oct 19 21:58:00 that was what I suspected Oct 19 21:58:27 Booth: 3 slugs, wow Oct 19 21:58:29 three nlsu2= severe addiction Oct 19 21:58:36 lol Oct 19 21:58:38 I got only 2=) Oct 19 21:58:55 Well let me ask my questions and i might be able to cut them down :) Oct 19 21:59:06 i have 3, but i got it over >2 years Oct 19 21:59:18 Can powered USB hubs be used? Oct 19 22:00:03 (im looking to use the Unslung binary) Oct 19 22:01:10 ? Oct 19 22:02:11 Also i am on OSX so will there be any problems? Oct 19 22:02:18 i think with unslung 6.8, yes Oct 19 22:02:33 I dont know I use only unpowered. but i think I read somewhere you can look here and check up thoose hubs mentioned here http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/USBHubs Oct 19 22:03:52 Should i go with another Firmware if i use USB hubs? Oct 19 22:04:08 I was looking at 6 and 7 port hubs Oct 19 22:04:18 (Not all to be used by HDs) Oct 19 22:04:47 Sandgrub - Update - NSLU2_V23R63 - On Port 1 I have added an external usb hub (The USB hub has its own power supply)and have successfully connected eight hard drives formatted with NTFS / FAT32 Oct 19 22:05:03 so it lokk s like confirmed Oct 19 22:05:10 Booth: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/UpSlug2onOSX Oct 19 22:05:44 upslug2 is the tool you want to use to flash new firmware Oct 19 22:06:12 Ok i was going to ask that. Whats the diff between UnSlung and Upslug Oct 19 22:06:27 but there are total different things. Oct 19 22:06:35 uNSLUng is the name of a firmware Oct 19 22:06:40 Now will i have to format my hardrives? Oct 19 22:06:44 hard drives? Oct 19 22:06:45 upslug is the name of the tool Oct 19 22:06:45 Depending on what you intend to plug into so many USB ports, you may find that Unslung lacks drivers for many devices. Unslung is based on the rather old Linksys firmware. Oct 19 22:07:05 What is the best firmware to use? Oct 19 22:07:19 "best" is very subjective Oct 19 22:07:28 :) Oct 19 22:07:35 Ok whats the most active? Oct 19 22:08:23 Can the slug run two different types of servers at once? Oct 19 22:08:24 slugos some more work but worth it. you dont have any webinterface kind of stripped from beginning. but you add what you need later after Oct 19 22:08:24 there're mainly 4 firmwares: unslung, openslug (slugosbe), debian, and openwrt Oct 19 22:08:38 example, say.... itunes server and.... some other type? Oct 19 22:09:49 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Applications/ITunesServer Oct 19 22:10:21 several unpn servers to some good some less good Oct 19 22:10:31 ya i say that, Oct 19 22:10:41 but can i can a FTP server off the second drive say Oct 19 22:11:07 say = saw lol Oct 19 22:13:00 all firmware can run ftp server Oct 19 22:14:05 Ok, but can i run two servers at once Oct 19 22:14:10 On the same slug Oct 19 22:14:17 sure Oct 19 22:14:37 takes a bit more configuration though Oct 19 22:15:33 unlike normal desktop linux, almost everything is done on the command line Oct 19 22:16:08 k Oct 19 22:17:54 Anything really cool that can be done with Slug? Oct 19 22:18:05 Or anything that really does not work well? Oct 19 22:18:28 Oh also, Will Mac OS Journal Extended drives work with the Slug Oct 19 22:18:30 ? Oct 19 22:19:28 most thing you can do with any pc. its not the fastest, but download torrent, serve music, do a directconnect hub,print server etc etc.. Oct 19 22:20:16 How well does the torrent downloading work?; Oct 19 22:20:48 I used it 2-3 days now and it works. dont add to many torrents and your fine. Oct 19 22:21:18 Download speeds? Oct 19 22:22:25 well it depends mostly how your BW from ISP is. I got 1.5 M at its best Oct 19 22:22:45 the limit is more ram Oct 19 22:22:51 i think Oct 19 22:23:11 1.5m is better than i get on my MBP Oct 19 22:23:30 I got 100/100 MB =))))) Oct 19 22:23:39 :) Oct 19 22:23:47 I am in Canada with Bell high speed Oct 19 22:23:53 They shape the internet so much Oct 19 22:24:10 Plus they put governors on their routers Oct 19 22:24:13 So stupid Oct 19 22:24:23 governors? Oct 19 22:24:49 Its a device that limits transfer speeds Oct 19 22:25:00 even locally Oct 19 22:25:01 isch. heres no such Oct 19 22:25:10 ? Oct 19 22:25:26 I meant we got no such limits Oct 19 22:25:36 its free to use as you wish Oct 19 22:26:09 Well the f i get their newest modem there is not gov. But they still shape the net Oct 19 22:27:34 Is there a better item than the NSLU2 with a rough equal price? Oct 19 22:28:16 hi, i suppose it depends on what you want to do with it Oct 19 22:28:45 What product did you have in mind? Oct 19 22:28:54 fry's has MSS II 320GB on sale for $110 again Oct 19 22:29:49 faster CPU, same amount of RAM, 320GB SATA, and gigabit eth Oct 19 22:30:29 runs 2.6 kernel, with optware support Oct 19 22:31:34 Product website? Oct 19 22:31:43 also available on frys.com Oct 19 22:32:26 http://www.maxtorsolutions.com/en/catalog/MSS_II/ Oct 19 22:32:45 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/MSSII/HomePage Oct 19 22:33:55 nah Slug is still more appealing Oct 19 22:34:53 slug is smaller and quiet Oct 19 22:35:15 Plus i like to mod Oct 19 22:36:10 Been looking for something i can work with to build a custom network, but i wish i could find a Slug but with like 5 USB ports or even like 3 usb with a firewire Oct 19 22:36:33 what smtp server do you recommend for running in slugos on a nslu2? Oct 19 22:36:56 just simple mail with local delivery Oct 19 22:38:22 Would you guys say slugos is the best to use for getting a bit of everything? Oct 19 22:40:22 as always, it depends on your knowledge, and your needs Oct 19 22:40:54 in terms of USB ports, MSS II also has two Oct 19 22:41:30 personally i like slugosbe Oct 19 22:41:47 yay for slugosbe :P Oct 19 22:43:26 :) Oct 19 22:45:01 Ok last question for now :) Oct 19 22:45:47 With lets say SlugOSBe when you attach a harddrive for the first time, does it need to be reformated? Oct 19 22:46:25 remember i am using OSX with a Mac OS journal extended drive(s) Oct 19 22:47:11 you need to google for OS X file system support on linux Oct 19 22:47:36 ok Oct 19 22:47:36 and see if slugosbe has the kernel module or FUSE module for that Oct 19 22:47:45 But say i have two drives connected Oct 19 22:47:54 and i want to take one out and attach another one Oct 19 22:48:09 Can i just unplug the drive and plug the other drive Oct 19 22:48:30 And lets say the new drive has never been plugged into the Slug before Oct 19 22:48:39 just like in OS X, you need to eject the drive Oct 19 22:49:33 in linux, it's called mount/umount Oct 19 22:50:37 there're programs that do automount Oct 19 22:50:58 ok Oct 19 22:51:01 but besides that? Oct 19 22:51:04 but since i don't change my HD that often, i'm not using those Oct 19 22:51:31 the reason i ask is because of this page: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UpgradeUnslungHardDriveEntirelyInXP Oct 19 22:51:43 also, ext2/3 is the native format Oct 19 22:52:00 using other file system usually takes more effort Oct 19 22:52:46 Effort to set up the first time. But after the slug is st to use what i want, should be no problem? Oct 19 22:53:42 no guarantee, ppl have some bad experience with ntfs drives Oct 19 22:53:57 bad experience? Oct 19 22:54:40 can cause crash with badly written driver on unslung Oct 19 22:55:12 :s Oct 19 22:55:13 I never failed to let it crash Oct 19 22:55:23 most ppl just use ext2/3 on slug Oct 19 22:55:39 But that's really a unslung only issue Oct 19 22:56:01 Ya i was going to use one of the drives with Time Machine in OSX Leopard Oct 19 22:56:10 :s Oct 19 22:56:13 crap Oct 19 22:56:26 well maybe i should look around at some other options Oct 19 22:56:28 :( Oct 19 22:56:47 what if i use SlugOSBe? Oct 19 22:59:27 why not leave OS X drive plugged in mac, use ext3 on slug, and use LAN to communicate? Oct 19 22:59:52 you have a better chance of getting everything working Oct 19 23:00:24 NFS, rsync, or samba Oct 19 23:02:09 but Booth you need to format one disc to ext3. Oct 19 23:02:25 ya that might work well for me Oct 19 23:02:34 whatever you choose to run slugos or unslung Oct 19 23:04:07 I am starting to think that i might just build a server Oct 19 23:04:20 And maybe but one Slug to play with Oct 19 23:05:11 one more thing to consider is run the OS from a usb disk 1 gb.just os the rest on port2. think its more convient in the long run. Oct 19 23:05:46 that sounds like a good idea Oct 19 23:06:18 jsut buy some cheap disk and put in. it will last long time enough. Oct 19 23:07:02 I have one I treated really bad one year now. no problems. Oct 19 23:07:17 and quiet. Oct 19 23:08:03 You talking about with a slug? Oct 19 23:08:28 yes as "os-disck" so to speak. Oct 19 23:08:43 becuse you run os from disk. Oct 19 23:12:11 .... Oct 19 23:12:30 *usb -stick Oct 19 23:15:00 I might just buy a barebore OS free box Oct 19 23:15:18 slap a few HDs in and run Windows server Oct 19 23:15:43 no=) Oct 19 23:16:01 why? Oct 19 23:16:29 1.noise. 2. more $. Oct 19 23:16:36 :) Oct 19 23:16:41 not if i build it my self Oct 19 23:16:41 3. you dont need it Oct 19 23:16:54 4. more power consumption Oct 19 23:16:55 4. you need a slug Oct 19 23:16:57 =) Oct 19 23:17:01 lol Oct 19 23:17:06 I can build the ultimate slug Oct 19 23:17:10 5. less flexibility Oct 19 23:17:18 What!!? Oct 19 23:17:25 Computer means more flex Oct 19 23:18:01 linux and open source means more flexibility Oct 19 23:18:12 Ok i will run BSD on it Oct 19 23:19:13 and i dont think windows server is finished yet (?). Oct 19 23:20:49 2008 is not done Oct 19 23:20:55 But i could run 2003 Oct 19 23:20:59 well 2003 R2 Oct 19 23:21:35 think ubuntu-server will do the same, at least. Oct 19 23:22:05 * caplink811_log laying back on the couch, having chips and beer at hand... Oct 19 23:22:06 ya i was thinking about that too Oct 19 23:22:18 (the ubuntu server Oct 19 23:22:24 But i have never used it Oct 19 23:22:49 and that with evry damn sort of server and app you can think of just with apt-get install. Oct 19 23:23:16 ?? Oct 19 23:23:54 evry app is installed with command "apt-get" Oct 19 23:24:11 oh in ubuntu Oct 19 23:24:16 ya dont know much about it Oct 19 23:24:22 * eno just finishes work and about to leave for home Oct 19 23:24:56 or can you tkae ubuntu you got a desktop got evrytning yu want with GUI, remove the desktop part and you are fine. Oct 19 23:25:41 I did it that way. really easy. Oct 19 23:26:39 i'm probably going to dist-upgrade to gusty this weekend Oct 19 23:27:12 I think i am going to buy this Oct 19 23:27:12 http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3328965&CatId=332 Oct 19 23:27:18 You can beat that Oct 19 23:27:20 yes..I running mine as a router so I can have 100% out my BW Oct 19 23:28:15 have dist-upgrade'ed a couple of times already, works everytime, and never paid a dime Oct 19 23:28:29 ? Oct 19 23:28:37 OH Oct 19 23:28:38 lol Oct 19 23:28:55 your still talking about ubuntu Oct 19 23:29:42 so what do you think Oct 19 23:29:43 http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3328965&CatId=332 Oct 19 23:30:46 hm, case and mb, 120 $, processor ~100¤, ram 100¤, hdds ~100-200¤, os licence dunno, 500¤, maybe, that a low power device with free software would beat this Oct 19 23:30:51 man, 400W == how many slugs? Oct 19 23:31:06 lol Oct 19 23:31:28 All of that i can get from old computers that are damaged in one way or another Oct 19 23:32:24 But the processor part i dont like Oct 19 23:35:28 F-S ESPRIMO P5925 proGREEN IntelĀ® Coreā„¢2 Duo E6550 (2.33 GHz, 4MB SLC, 1333 MHz Oct 19 23:35:36 link Oct 19 23:35:49 think its more or lsee same price and you can run linux on it to Oct 19 23:36:20 Link? Oct 19 23:37:06 http://www.datagrottan.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:1692365;c:36161;r:prisjakt Oct 19 23:37:13 its in english Oct 19 23:38:49 1000 canada $ Oct 19 23:39:03 What lang is it? Oct 19 23:39:21 I want to try to buy something the US or Canada Oct 19 23:40:11 scroll down and under "beskrivning" theres is Engl... Oct 19 23:41:11 I just bought a 500gb SATA disk to replace a 250gb ide disk that died to plug in my slug's second port, the web utility is unable to format it ;( any ideas ? Oct 19 23:41:51 whats the currency on the site Oct 19 23:44:19 klogd: Device busy for revalidation (usage=3) Oct 19 23:44:23 that's the error I get Oct 19 23:46:31 Flipo, maybe, that your chipset in your case isn't supported by the linksys/unslung firmware Oct 19 23:48:41 caplink811_log: it's a SATA to USB cable Oct 19 23:49:12 maybe, there is a page about compability somewhere in the wiki Oct 19 23:50:35 caplink811_log: perhaps I can try formatting it on another box. Oct 19 23:51:04 assuming, that you use unslung firmware, it wont have the right structure Oct 19 23:51:33 caplink811_log: I could also try plugging it into port 1 and try formatting there ? Oct 19 23:52:20 this is another option, but myself think, it wont work... Oct 19 23:53:58 I think I might get a Fit-pc will have less troubles :P Oct 19 23:55:02 as we discussed in the last hour, this is an option too, but it consumed much more power Oct 19 23:55:34 5w seems decent, how much power does the slug consumes ? Oct 19 23:56:13 the nslu2 alone, assuming ~8-10 watts Oct 19 23:56:45 on the fit-pc site, they claim 3-5w Oct 19 23:58:23 on the wiki, there is at least one article about power consumption of the nslu and the devices around it, but don't ask me for the url Oct 20 00:00:32 8-9w Oct 20 00:07:37 linutop runs "with less than 5 watts " fit-pc is 5 or more. Oct 20 00:09:00 weird if a slug take more w than thoose machines Oct 20 00:09:42 Flipo: The linksys firmware is very old, it does not have updated drivers for many new chipsets. SlugOS is much more current, and may support your device. Oct 20 00:35:16 mwester: that would be another solution. But then I would need to install an http server, a samba server and so on ? Oct 20 02:35:42 Well this is odd, I removed disk1, left the 500gb disk in slot 2, rebooted, and magic, it formatted **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 20 02:59:56 2007