**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:56 2008 Jan 04 03:03:33 what can you use to develop apps for the nslu2? Jan 04 03:08:45 Language? Jan 04 03:11:06 doesn't matter Jan 04 03:11:28 actually I want to make apps for a GPS device, not the nslu2 Jan 04 03:11:43 but it has an ARM processor and I am clueless on what to even start with Jan 04 03:19:05 Ah, ok. Jan 04 03:19:54 Generally, for embedded devices you use a cross-development environment. So you have a set of tools (compiler, assembler, linker) and a set of libraries, on a host system. Jan 04 03:20:43 The application can be written in any language that you can find a cross-compiler for the specific device -- C, C++ are most common, FORTRAN also. Java is common. Jan 04 03:22:33 Generally the libraries on the target system will influence your development language -- e.g. for the NSLU2, you would not find a Java runtime on the NSLU2, so that would be a poor choice. C is easy, but C++ is also a reasonable choice. FORTRAN is used mainly for engineering/scientific, and as such usually FORTRAN apps use floating point -- there is no FPU on the NSLU2, so FORTRAN is a poor choice. Jan 04 03:23:16 For quick and dirty application prototyping, scripting languages work well: Python and Perl are not uncommon. Jan 04 03:28:39 mwester: can you help me with the kernel stuff i was asking about yesterday, ipkg doesn't find hid and input modules Jan 04 03:31:28 scant: did you look in the feed location I gave you, and use the --force-depends switch? Jan 04 03:32:31 rwhitby: i don't know how to direct ipkg to that location Jan 04 03:32:49 look in /etc/ipkg.conf Jan 04 03:33:14 I'm sure there is wiki documentation on how to add feeds for unslung - where have you searched so far? Jan 04 03:33:34 rwhitby: i tried searching on nslu2-linux, let me try again Jan 04 03:35:50 rwhitby: searched again.... Jan 04 03:35:50 scant: I'll lead you through it, on the condition that you add the information to the wiki under http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/HomePage while we are doing it (i.e. no "I promise I'll document that tomorrow"). Deal? Jan 04 03:36:40 rwhitby: can anon users edit wiki pages? Jan 04 03:36:48 yes Jan 04 03:37:27 rwhitby: you want this info on the unslung homepage? Jan 04 03:37:57 rwhitby: how bout i add it to this page: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages Jan 04 03:38:46 add it here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/InstallUnslungKernelModules Jan 04 03:39:38 (which I've linked onto http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/HomePage) Jan 04 03:39:43 k Jan 04 03:39:46 scant: deal? Jan 04 03:40:28 yep Jan 04 03:42:00 the preview doesn't seem to work for me when editing Jan 04 03:45:29 rwhitby: you still there? Jan 04 03:49:33 back Jan 04 03:49:40 preview doesn't work Jan 04 03:50:24 scant: I need to head out for 15 minutes - look in /etc/ipkg.conf or /etc/ipkg or /opt/etc/ipkg ... something like that (when I get back I'll set up my test slug with unslung to check) Jan 04 03:50:41 cool, please remember me when you get back Jan 04 03:50:43 thanks Jan 04 03:52:23 i have arc, cross-feed, native-feed, and oe-feed.conf in /etc/ipkg Jan 04 03:59:33 i don't think i have an ipkg.conf on my unslung 6.10 install Jan 04 04:02:58 scant: what does oe-feed.conf have in it? Jan 04 04:05:56 rwhitby: src/gz oe http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/modules/cross/stable Jan 04 04:08:54 ok, so what does "ipkg install kernel-module-hid" say? Jan 04 04:10:37 Nothing to be done, An error ocurred, return value: 4.; Collected errors:; Cannot find package kernel-module-input.; Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Jan 04 04:11:09 how about "ipkg list | grep kernel-module" ? Jan 04 04:12:03 kernel-module-hid, kernel-module-input are not listed Jan 04 04:13:25 how about "ipkg update ; ipkg list | wc -l" ? Jan 04 04:14:04 1168 Jan 04 04:15:35 and none of them are kernel modules? Jan 04 04:16:21 ipkg list | wc -l just returns 1168 Jan 04 04:22:30 how about "ipkg list | grep kernel-module | wc -l" ? Jan 04 04:26:40 111 Jan 04 04:32:14 ok, looks like some kernel modules are appearing in the Packages file, but others are not. Jan 04 04:32:58 how can i fix that Jan 04 04:33:36 you can't - I need to work out why and fix that :-) Jan 04 04:33:40 but you can work around it Jan 04 04:34:18 what about getting apcupsd compiled with --enable-usb on the feeds? Jan 04 04:34:41 wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/modules/cross/stable/kernel-module-input_2.4.22.l2.3r63-r21_nslu2be.ipk and then ipkg install that file directly Jan 04 04:34:45 same for the hid module Jan 04 04:35:09 for apcupsd, you need to send in a patch to the optware apcupsd.mk file Jan 04 04:35:28 (or ask eno nicely, giving him clear directions on what needs to be done) Jan 04 04:36:16 is eno here? Jan 04 04:40:05 he is on holidays at the moment, irc says he is idle for 20 hours. Jan 04 04:40:14 k Jan 04 04:40:29 however he did a checkin 2.5 hours ago Jan 04 04:40:39 apcupsd needs configure option --enable-usb set Jan 04 04:41:06 i think that's it Jan 04 04:41:45 err, that's all that needs to be added Jan 04 04:42:07 have you tested that? Jan 04 04:42:23 rwhitby: is there a way to get alsa in my ipkg feeds also? i don't think it's avail for unslung though Jan 04 04:44:09 it needs to be available as a kernel module or in optware Jan 04 04:44:23 if not, then you need to port it, or find someone who will port it for you. Jan 04 04:44:35 ("port" usually just means recompile) Jan 04 04:45:36 rwhitby: alsa is avail for openslug and has been ported to optware Jan 04 04:46:21 you can install it from optware then Jan 04 04:46:39 availability for openslug has no bearing on ability to use with unslung. Jan 04 04:46:45 opps, maybe it isn't in optware Jan 04 04:47:08 remember unslung is a very old 2.4 kernel - are you sure you shouldn't be using slugos instead? Jan 04 04:47:38 rwhitby: i like the web interface, does slugos have a webinterface turned on by default? Jan 04 04:47:38 (unslung is like windows 3.1 - slugos is like a recent linux server) Jan 04 04:47:43 no Jan 04 04:48:36 if i follow the instructions on the wiki to natively compile, alsa is included in optware Jan 04 04:48:50 but it's not available on the feeds for unslung Jan 04 04:49:08 and i've compiled it before with unslung 6.8, i'm having some issues with 6.10 Jan 04 04:54:42 i think it's because i didn't install unslung-devel Jan 04 04:55:24 oh, you've natively compiled it or cross-compiled it? Jan 04 04:55:30 (we try and cross-compile everything) Jan 04 04:55:40 i'm natively compiling Jan 04 04:56:07 ok, we don't autobuild natively compiled stuff at the moment Jan 04 04:56:20 i think i can get it to work, i'm trying now Jan 04 04:56:28 so the native feed for 6.10 is probably empty Jan 04 04:56:59 and i think i can patch apcupsd.mk to include that configure option Jan 04 04:57:24 rwhitby: does slugos have a web gui at all? Jan 04 04:57:34 not that I know of Jan 04 04:57:42 openwrt has x-wrt Jan 04 04:58:13 i use openwrt for my wrt =) Jan 04 04:58:37 it works well on the slug too ... Jan 04 05:00:07 when you install slugos, is there initially only 1 account, root? Jan 04 05:00:20 IIRC, alsa requires kernel support, which isn't present for the older Unslung kernels. I've only ever heard of folks getting the older audio stuff working on Unslung. Jan 04 05:00:39 scant: correct Jan 04 05:01:01 mwester: my usb 1 audio stick works with alsa natively compiled from optware Jan 04 05:02:54 mwester: is my usb 1 audio stick older audio stuff? Jan 04 05:04:03 I'm not sure what it is you compiled. Jan 04 05:11:45 alsa-utils alsa-oss alsa-lib 1.0.8 Jan 04 05:12:07 on unslung 6.8 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 05:20:12 2008 Jan 04 08:42:45 I could use ipkg, but now I have problem. Here is a paste from an ipkg update. Hope anyone can help me -thanks! http://rafb.net/p/8ZGq3r95.html Jan 04 08:49:18 bbl! Jan 04 10:20:38 I'm back now :-) Jan 04 15:16:23 erikja: looks like you have a library that's incompatible with the ipkg command (and probably a lot of other things, I would expect). I know of no solution; if you know what you previously installed, you can try to manually revert those back. Otherwise, reinstall and don't upgrade libc. Jan 04 15:17:11 mwester, erikja: that's usually a symptom of installing packages from the wrong feed Jan 04 15:29:19 mwester rwhitby I have recovered to the default firmware, and would revert to the bootstrap/ipkg again. I followed the http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DS101/DS101BootStrap, and all seemed to be ok. and ipkg statusshows no error at all, but I can't make a ipkg update Jan 04 15:33:35 Here is the status info: http://rafb.net/p/xQtZMt74.html Jan 04 15:47:26 scp makes probs too: scp: relocation error: /opt/lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol _nss_files_parse_pwent, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference Jan 04 17:18:08 men, ive flashed from unslu to anstrong and i got only the ssh open, but i cannot logon.. think is the password. Jan 04 17:18:54 My question is:: The anstrong read the unslug old flash settings or override all? Jan 04 17:19:50 the guy from anstrong channell said that the default root password is none blank Jan 04 17:20:04 but still dont work Jan 04 17:20:31 so ive tried the classical:: uNSLUng Jan 04 17:21:01 and some old my pwd fro the last unslug installation Jan 04 17:21:14 none of them working Jan 04 17:27:54 synko: Angstrom knows very little at all about the NLSU2; it is a promising direction for the NSLU2 but it does not yet replace SlugOS in terms of using config settings, or many other usability features. Jan 04 17:28:38 The password is blank; but it may be that you cannot login with a blank password via dropbear (SSH server), so you'll have to login as root, no password, on the serial console, and then change the pw. Jan 04 17:31:01 k Jan 04 17:31:10 you big Jan 04 17:32:12 it was predictable, Jan 04 17:33:05 dont worrie bout config and settings Jan 04 17:34:02 im an I.T. technician, if i take the serial i could add my work to the community Jan 04 17:34:44 anstrong seems the purest in csource code, do you agree? Jan 04 17:51:42 mwester:^^ Jan 04 17:52:58 *Angstrom Jan 04 17:52:58 "dont worrie im an I.T. technician" <- This makes me worry :) Jan 04 17:53:25 Hey ! :) ive skillz Jan 04 17:54:02 some skills on bsd sys and net config and programming C py etc.. Jan 04 17:54:19 i will do it .o/ Jan 04 18:07:43 Hi, has anyone have some experiance with ircd-hybrid? ipkg install ircd-hybrid and some config alterations, doesn`t seem to do the trick. If I check my log it gives " cannot load core modules' over-and-over again. the pkg only has to files: ./opt/bin/ircd Jan 04 18:07:45 and ./opt/doc/ircd-hybrid/simple.conf Jan 04 19:06:04 hey guys Jan 04 19:07:19 hello daveyboy_ Jan 04 19:08:33 using unslung 6.8... is it true u can only read ntfs and not write? Jan 04 19:09:11 have you checked on the wiki? Jan 04 19:09:16 just reading now Jan 04 19:09:51 it read it at least, i don't know about writing :s Jan 04 19:10:04 maybe with ntfs-3g, but i think it don't exist with unslung Jan 04 19:11:20 yea it deff reads, but i dont think writting is supported. bit of bugger.... is ther any way of sendign files from my pc to ntfs hard drive thats in slug? Jan 04 19:11:44 if fat32 isn't the best solution for you, i can advice you to format your disk with ext3, then use a driver for read and write ext3 disks Jan 04 19:11:48 it works well Jan 04 19:12:13 scp makes problems : scp: relocation error: /opt/lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol _nss_files_parse_pwent, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference Jan 04 19:12:15 i think fat32 will be fine. its just finding womewhere to temp store the 500gb while i format drive :@ Jan 04 19:12:19 http://www.fs-driver.org/ Jan 04 19:12:31 erf Jan 04 19:12:48 try partition magic Jan 04 19:13:00 some pleople said that they have converted their disk Jan 04 19:13:06 but i don't belive them ;) Jan 04 19:13:18 ah ok. didnt think you could do ntfs to fat32 without destroying. will have a look Jan 04 19:13:23 I use DS101J Jan 04 19:13:46 erikja: you are with unslug? Jan 04 19:14:07 PPmarcel: oh where should I have been ? Jan 04 19:14:32 daveyboy_: try to burn your data, or find a friend which could store your datas while you format your disk Jan 04 19:14:50 ? Jan 04 19:15:36 maybe with #ds101-linux Jan 04 19:15:44 you will find ds users Jan 04 19:15:54 PPmarcel: I use bootstrap and ipkg. Think it's realted, as it has been found on nslu2 Jan 04 19:16:34 i don't know how works linux with synology devices :/ Jan 04 19:16:53 Join #nslu2-linux instead Jan 04 19:17:10 nslu2-linux developer channel - use #nslu2-general for end-user questions Jan 04 19:17:31 PPmarcel: so you see there's no channels for ds101j :-( Jan 04 19:17:50 erikja: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/wd_general/2005-April/000555.html Jan 04 19:17:55 sorry to have bored you all! Jan 04 19:18:07 noo, you don't bore us :) Jan 04 19:18:14 let's find a solution Jan 04 19:18:28 i just falt on this mail Jan 04 19:18:37 the writer has got the same probelm as you Jan 04 19:18:39 PPmarcel: ok thanks Jan 04 19:20:04 hum, his sources can't be used with arm Jan 04 19:20:19 i don't know if the ds101 use an arm architecture Jan 04 19:20:28 PPmarcel: it does Jan 04 19:22:07 does these files exists? /opt/lib/libpthread* Jan 04 19:22:33 PPmarcel: running ipkg update I get this : http://rafb.net/p/ekuiAm24.html Jan 04 19:23:21 :o Jan 04 19:23:53 yes ok Jan 04 19:24:12 mv /opt/lib/libpthread.so.0 /opt/lib/libpthread.so.0.bak Jan 04 19:24:16 try then Jan 04 19:24:35 on a french forum, someone had the same problem with mtdaapd Jan 04 19:24:42 he removed /opt/lib/libpthread* Jan 04 19:24:47 and it worked after Jan 04 19:25:11 ok, but good to take a backup b4 :p Jan 04 19:25:39 yes, don't remove it, move it :) Jan 04 19:25:49 PPmarcel: yupp Jan 04 19:29:29 PPmarcel: thanks my friend, the movement succeded :-) Jan 04 19:29:40 nice one :) Jan 04 19:30:09 you should add it in the wiki someone Jan 04 19:30:17 PPmarcel: yupp. another one :-( mc: error while loading shared libraries: libcom_err.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director any idea ? Jan 04 19:30:34 I will do it. do you have the wiki url ? Jan 04 19:31:14 it isn't your problem here? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DS101/SegfaultInIpkg Jan 04 19:31:35 hehe, the solution already exists ^^ Jan 04 19:32:07 PPmarcel: how do people know I'll bump in to it ? :P Jan 04 19:32:29 look at the bottom Jan 04 19:32:38 i see that you already edited this page Jan 04 19:32:55 what page ? Jan 04 19:33:02 ah no, he just have a nick close from yours Jan 04 19:33:04 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DS101/SegfaultInIpkg Jan 04 19:33:43 ok fine. Hav to leave, but good to know where you are :-) -- many thnaks again Jan 04 21:24:16 holes Jan 04 21:24:47 algú fa servir algun traductor senzill? Jan 04 21:25:14 algo així com l'aplicació de diccionari que hi ha a aplicacions -> accessoris Jan 04 21:25:41 però que et tradueixi la paraula que li poses. Sense gaires més pretensions Jan 04 21:25:51 oohhhhh Jan 04 21:25:57 I'm sorry men ! Jan 04 21:26:08 i'll wrong the channel Jan 04 21:26:11 sorry again :-( Jan 04 22:30:57 hm, in unslung 6.10 with native, shutdown is not included, and if I try to make apcupsd from optware, it fails because it's not there, shutdown also isn't in unslung 6.8, what i'm wondering is how did eno release a ipkg for it then Jan 04 22:37:07 rwhitby: did you figure out the kernel module stuff? Jan 04 22:37:24 nope Jan 04 22:37:33 but you can get them directly with wget Jan 04 22:38:06 (I'm busy writing a kernel module for the freecom fsg-3 at the moment - it's on my TODO list) Jan 04 22:38:30 ok, thanks for the update Jan 04 22:39:13 is unslung not recomended? Jan 04 22:39:34 all five firware releases are recommended, for different user groups Jan 04 22:39:53 k Jan 04 22:40:03 (we wouldn't spend time releasing something we didn't think was useful) Jan 04 22:46:35 scant: apcupsd is useful to monitor a UPS system; it is not useful to actually shut-down Unslung. This is because of the design of the Linksys firmware upon which Unslung is built. Jan 04 22:47:58 So if you are looking to make apcupsd perform the orderly shutdown of Unslung with the battery is low, you'll have to invent that mechanism yourself, and be aware that parts of what apcupsd does will never work with Unslung. Jan 04 22:50:05 scant: FYI: you're not the only person who's been down this path with apcupds (and nut, for that matter) -- but AFAIK nobody has ever solved it with Unslung. I tried and came to the conclusion that to make it all work right, you basically build what SlugOS is already -- a full, proper Linux environment! Jan 04 22:51:47 mwester: i have built apcupsd with unslung 6.8 Jan 04 22:51:57 mwester: i have used apcupsd with unslung 8 Jan 04 22:51:59 6.8 Jan 04 22:53:15 mwester: i created my own shutdown script based off of the DO_Reboot DO_Shutdown Jan 04 22:53:19 my que Jan 04 22:53:49 my question though, was, why is it available for unslung when it doesn't include the required shutdown script Jan 04 22:54:12 additionally, how did eno make a ipkg for unslung, because i can't Jan 04 22:54:51 also, if eno didn't make a ipkg specifically for unslung, maybe ipkg should be configured in such a way that unslung users can't download it Jan 04 22:56:34 scant: Most packages require some configuration. Optware runs on different platforms. Some things need to be done post-install, and it seems that writing the custom shutdown script is one of those things. Jan 04 22:56:49 it's been mentioned to me a few times in this channel that unslung does not do an orderly shutdown and some people have questioned why would i use apcupsd if unslung doesn't do an orderly shutdown normally Jan 04 22:57:04 Yes. Jan 04 22:57:10 Exactly. Jan 04 22:58:36 mwester: i disagree, because the shutdown script apcupsd isn't any better or worse than DO_Shutdown, and if i'm using unslung I would use DO_Shutdown to get the most orderly shutdown possible, and with apcupsd i have backup power, some control when power is lost, and isn't unmounting better than just power off, because DO_Shutdown does unmount my data drives, i understand it doesn't unmount the unslung drive Jan 04 22:59:03 That's the wonder of open source. If you don't agree, you have all the tools to change it. Jan 04 22:59:49 That doesn't mean that the feeds will necessarily be made less generic, though. Jan 04 23:00:22 mwester: i'm just wondering if apcupsd was compiled with --enable-usb, if i would get a fault or some error message saying it couldn't find shutdown Jan 04 23:00:35 because there's no warning with the ipkg that i may or may not have to provide a shutdown script Jan 04 23:01:34 scant: it sounds to me like you are expecting a wizard-type installer, that can prompt you about every possible thing you may wish, or all possible configuration scripts or tools that the package might be able to use. Jan 04 23:01:48 mwester: no Jan 04 23:01:58 scant: that's not what the feeds are trying to do. That information is to be placed in the wiki. Jan 04 23:02:14 mwester: i think every other package has been ok, maybe a conf edit, but nothing has been missing that i had to provide Jan 04 23:02:43 err, i mean every package i've downloaded, used Jan 04 23:03:53 scant: why exactly is that such a big deal? Add the script to the wiki page, and it's available. The wiki has many scripts on it -- starting with the diversion scripts wiki pages. Jan 04 23:04:54 I just don't see why it makes sense for a SlugOS user who installs apcupsd to get a shutdown script that references "DO_Shutdown" and other mysterious Unslung-only commands! Jan 04 23:05:06 scant: you're asuming that eno fully tests the complete feature set of every one of the > 1000 optware packages. that is not the case. Jan 04 23:05:09 mwester: i'm not a SlugOS user, i use unslung Jan 04 23:05:30 scant: Yes, I understand. But optware runs on Unslung, SlugOS, and many other devices. Jan 04 23:05:59 during the ipkg install, is there a way to print out to the console a msg concerning the shutdown script? Jan 04 23:06:00 Creating per-device custom scripts is not practical, even if its possible. Jan 04 23:06:16 scant: sure. Jan 04 23:09:02 actually, we do have run-time information about what target platform the startup script is running on, and if someone contributes a patch that uses that information to do something different on startup, I'm sure eno would accept it. Jan 04 23:09:25 all i'm saying is that, a newbie would have no clue about this Jan 04 23:09:45 but expecting any nslu2-linux volunteer to do that in advance of someone who actually cares about the package testing it, finding the problem, and submitting the patch, is unrealistic. Jan 04 23:10:03 a message after the apcupsd ipkg install would be the good frst step Jan 04 23:10:46 yes, now you have identified the problem, we're happy to accept a patch Jan 04 23:11:49 rwhitby: i don't have a patch to output a console message Jan 04 23:12:00 rwhitby: and the fix to enable usb is fairly simple Jan 04 23:12:20 scant: I believe eno has already commited the enable usb. Jan 04 23:12:52 rwhitby: hm, that's awesome Jan 04 23:13:04 rwhitby: so i can get it now? or still not in the feed? Jan 04 23:13:28 http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/changeset/7508 Jan 04 23:13:48 look for version -2 in the feed Jan 04 23:14:12 rwhitby: when i do ipkg install apcupsd, it finds 1 Jan 04 23:14:14 not 2 Jan 04 23:14:16 the autobuilder should have built and pushed the new version within a hour or so of eno committing that change Jan 04 23:15:19 the feed definitely has -2 in it - see http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/nslu2/cross/unstable/ Jan 04 23:15:27 did you run ipkg update? Jan 04 23:16:13 BTW, I'm a bit concerned that http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/InstallUnslungKernelModules is still empty - I thought we had a deal that you would do that as we go ... Jan 04 23:16:50 got it Jan 04 23:17:05 rwhitby: you never gave me any instructions Jan 04 23:17:33 I told you the location to wget the files from, and the ipkg command to install them Jan 04 23:17:51 rwhitby: i didn't think we got to the steps on how to add feeds to ipkg Jan 04 23:17:53 are you saying you haven't installed those kernel modules yet on your machine? Jan 04 23:18:42 ipkg already has the feeds - the Packages file just doesn't have some of the modules in it, and I gave you a work-around for how to get modules that are not in the Packages file. I was expecting all of that to be in the wiki page by now. Jan 04 23:19:10 k Jan 04 23:19:22 (if nothing else, an IRC log of the conversation is a useful start) Jan 04 23:19:44 rwhitby: i misunderstood, i thought that page was for adding feeds to ipkg Jan 04 23:23:19 no, the feeds are already there. Jan 04 23:24:00 you can note on that page where the feed config file is, for instance, and that you need to use the --force-depends switch on ipkg cause there is a broken dependency on the kernel image Jan 04 23:28:04 scant: thx for updating the page Jan 04 23:28:42 Where is the feed config file, yesterday i found a few of them Jan 04 23:28:45 and never found ipkg.conf Jan 04 23:31:09 rwhitby: please advise of any changes you would like, i have added the notes you suggested Jan 04 23:31:28 rwhitby: in all honest, i didn't edit it because i didn't think we were up to that point and i apologize Jan 04 23:32:36 the oe-* one is the kernel modules Jan 04 23:35:58 done Jan 04 23:36:00 thanks Jan 04 23:51:54 u guys use fat32 or ext3? got hard drive that i want 2 use as portable hard drive (SOME times) but only to mates house, and can make him install pluggin if needed Jan 04 23:52:27 ext3 is the native... Jan 04 23:52:31 i use ext3.. Jan 04 23:52:40 fat32 has large file size issues, file number issues.. Jan 04 23:53:03 will go with that. partition magic cant convert from ntfs can it while maintaining data (i already backed up important stuff so no biggie if it cant) Jan 04 23:53:36 ive one with ntfs Jan 04 23:53:51 yea but cant write to it (with unslung) Jan 04 23:53:54 use ext3 Jan 04 23:53:56 yup Jan 04 23:54:26 yeah you can write and read ext3 on win with some kinda software Jan 04 23:54:53 that will do me then Jan 04 23:54:59 cheers. just formating now Jan 04 23:55:20 its not too bad most of the time, sometimes it can be a bit faffy Jan 04 23:55:28 If your taking the drives, just take the NSLU2 with you too ;) Jan 04 23:55:39 yeah Jan 04 23:55:48 its small though ;e Jan 04 23:56:07 yea but networking issues would be pain Jan 04 23:56:29 Why? Jan 04 23:57:08 cos mine is all set up for here, plus he dont know what he is doing with his house network and its flakey as Jan 04 23:58:23 may try though. means id have to take both hard drives though (i unslung to a 120 gig, filled with films, but tv is on 500gig) Jan 04 23:58:24 lol Jan 04 23:59:50 well this formatting is taking aeges so im off 2 bed. cheers for help guys Jan 05 00:08:10 dont know how right it is advice ppl use ext3 Jan 05 00:08:48 there is no problem using fat with usnlung. Jan 05 00:10:10 lol Jan 05 00:11:32 on the contrary its create more trouble for win users, no need to install a application if you want move it etc. Jan 05 00:26:03 * rwhitby doesn't get the joke that Reedy_Boy is laughing at ... Jan 05 00:59:50 still. the issues. Jan 05 01:02:50 and people can make up their own mind **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 05 02:59:57 2008