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Jan 09 04:30:46 <feffer> Hi all, I'm trying to install unslung and have a question about firmware
Jan 09 04:31:26 <feffer> My original linksys firmwar is V2.3R73, but I only see reference to R63
Jan 09 04:32:01 <feffer> Is it OK to flash my R73 version with the latest unslung firmware?
Jan 09 04:33:53 <Mike390> on the debian installer how long should extracting util-linux step take...
Jan 09 04:34:34 <gouki> feffer: yes, there should not be a problem
Jan 09 04:34:50 <feffer> OK, thanks
Jan 09 04:35:21 <gouki> Mike390: I didn't watched the whole installation on my NSLU2, but it took me a couple of hours (with all the stops to leave the house, etc)
Jan 09 04:35:49 <gouki> Mike390: How long is it taking for you?
Jan 09 04:36:19 <Mike390> gouki: well its been at 30% for the past 20 mins...
Jan 09 04:36:35 <Mike390> gouki: tried to open another ssh session but it didnt work i think it froze...
Jan 09 04:36:51 <gouki> Mike390: Don't. Let it be ... Wait a couple more minutes
Jan 09 04:37:26 <gouki> Like you probably read on cyrius page, the installation may take up to a couple of hours
Jan 09 04:37:54 <Mike390> gouki: ok, ugh its so dumb cuz i installed it 2 or 3 times in the past easily and this time arond i  geting all these problems
Jan 09 04:39:56 <Mike390> gouki: yea but its usually past this part eh ill leave it
Jan 09 04:43:21 <Mike390> gouki: yea its still at 30
Jan 09 04:43:42 <gouki> Mike390: give it more than 5 minutes
Jan 09 04:43:49 <gouki> Mike390: Do you smoke?
Jan 09 04:44:34 <Mike390> gouki: yea
Jan 09 04:44:43 <Mike390> gouki: lol why
Jan 09 04:44:58 <gouki> Mike390: Great! I'm going to smoke and take some coffee, do the same :)
Jan 09 04:45:20 <Mike390> gouki: lol alright ill msg u when i get back
Jan 09 04:53:15 <chipk> ok... newbie question... and if you tell me the specific FAQ, cool, but I have hunted... I have successfully installed unslung 6.10.  I have telnet in as root... where are the instructions for adding an external drive?  when I turn off the box and added it, I belive is whacked the passwd.. a clue would be helpful
Jan 09 04:54:25 <rwhitby> chipk: the README file - follow the instructions in there precisely
Jan 09 04:54:54 <gouki> heheh
Jan 09 04:55:03 <gouki> I believe he didn't like you answer rwhitby 
Jan 09 05:15:41 <alpha255> i got the debian install working pretty well
Jan 09 05:16:01 * alpha255 's hat is off to the folks who make this project work :)
Jan 09 05:19:42 <rwhitby> alpha255: feel free to make a donation at slug-firmware.net ...
Jan 09 05:20:47 <rwhitby> (we will need a couple more hundred for the autobuilder disk upgrade)
Jan 09 05:20:49 <alpha255> k
Jan 09 05:21:14 <rwhitby> (that's the machine which keeps ipkg.nslu2-linux.org supplied with packages for everyone to download)
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Jan 09 10:43:40 <vynlwombat> anyone bought from thingfling before?
Jan 09 15:18:48 <Mike390> what would be the best way to create a backup of the nslu2?
Jan 09 16:31:35 <gouki> I know I asked this before, but, what's the command to keep the Status/Ready led green under Debian? (leds off something)
Jan 09 18:16:10 <nukilor> Hey
Jan 09 18:17:41 <nukilor> I searched the wiki and mailing list, but couldn't find the information I was looking for.
Jan 09 18:19:04 <nukilor> So I just bought myself a NSLU2 and was wondering that if I change the original firmware to Unslung, OpenSlug or whatever, is there a chance of making this device a paper weight?
Jan 09 18:20:35 <nukilor> And when I have perhaps changed the firmware to Unslung, is it possible later to change it to some of the other firmwares?
Jan 09 18:31:03 <eno> nukilor: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/20476
Jan 09 18:34:57 <nukilor> eno: Thanks, that shed some light on the matter
Jan 09 18:37:51 <osas> eno: do you know what is the issue with gnuplot on cs05q3armel platform?
Jan 09 18:38:00 <osas> it is marked a broken
Jan 09 19:05:09 <camarades> hi
Jan 09 19:06:37 <camarades> i'm intessed in buying a NAS, and i come to you to know if there is any hardware you could suggest
Jan 09 19:06:56 <camarades> cause the nslu2 seems to be not so strong
Jan 09 19:07:20 <camarades> maybe there is any pages like http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
Jan 09 19:07:25 <Reedy_Boy> camarades, depends what your wanting to do
Jan 09 19:07:41 <camarades> for shure
Jan 09 19:07:58 <camarades> depends of what hardware i can find to :)
Jan 09 19:09:35 <Reedy_Boy> ie do you just want a NAS?
Jan 09 19:09:40 <Reedy_Boy> Do you want it to do other things
Jan 09 19:09:48 <Reedy_Boy> Do you want drives internal? or do you want them enclosed
Jan 09 19:09:49 <camarades> other things 
Jan 09 19:10:04 <camarades> amule, filesharing, bacup
Jan 09 19:10:26 <camarades> irssi
Jan 09 19:10:46 <camarades> and maybe vpn
Jan 09 19:10:53 <camarades> and voip
Jan 09 19:13:30 <Reedy_Boy> Cheap computer, SATA Controller, some hard drives
Jan 09 19:13:59 <camarades> no noise and low power
Jan 09 19:14:01 <Reedy_Boy> or not even necesserily a sata controller
Jan 09 19:14:02 <camarades> ...
Jan 09 19:14:09 <Reedy_Boy> looked at hte Thecus N2100
Jan 09 19:14:13 <Reedy_Boy> you can run debian on it
Jan 09 19:14:19 <Reedy_Boy> lower power, not silent, but quiet
Jan 09 19:14:30 <Reedy_Boy> must faster CPU than the NSLU2  - ~700mhz IIRC
Jan 09 19:14:33 <Reedy_Boy> upgradable RAM
Jan 09 19:14:37 <Reedy_Boy> dual gigabit lan
Jan 09 19:16:25 <camarades> yes but i forgot a point
Jan 09 19:16:41 <camarades> and don't have a lot of money fir that
Jan 09 19:16:50 <camarades> 100/200 euros
Jan 09 19:16:56 <camarades> (france)
Jan 09 19:17:57 <camarades> something quite cheap with 128 ram could be great
Jan 09 19:18:45 <camarades> Synology-DS-107+ with 128RAM and 500mhz
Jan 09 19:18:47 <camarades> ?
Jan 09 19:18:58 <camarades> but it's a bit to expensive
Jan 09 19:19:28 <camarades> maybe you know that kind of hardware cheaper and working with openfirwares
Jan 09 19:47:32 <camarades> i took a look to web things about the thecaus
Jan 09 19:47:46 <camarades> interresting, but maybe to big for me
Jan 09 19:47:53 <camarades> and to soundy
Jan 09 19:48:03 <camarades> (too much noise)
Jan 09 19:48:15 <camarades> but maybe not
Jan 09 19:48:48 <camarades> using a 2,5"" hard-drive for system and current things and 3,5'' for backups
Jan 09 19:49:44 <camarades> to you know if the synologic are weel supported ?
Jan 09 19:52:21 <eno> osas: let me build it again, vaguely remember it was causing compiler internal error or something
Jan 09 19:52:36 <osas> k
Jan 09 19:55:44 <eno> osas: http://pastebin.ca/848508
Jan 09 19:56:16 <osas> I see ...
Jan 09 20:07:57 <WDTY> ola,sort one...can someone tell me what bootstrapping means? (yeah,red the wiki and google is my friend also, but I mean it in the following context: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe )
Jan 09 20:09:15 <WDTY> [quote]  After bootstrapping, we have two independent ipkg commands and two sets of packages[/quote]
Jan 09 20:09:17 <eno> in the context of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe it means installing /opt/bin/ipkg and all dependencies so you can start using ipkg
Jan 09 20:09:28 <WDTY> I know the part after the comma
Jan 09 20:10:05 <eno> the basic problem is that you cannot install ipkg with ipkg
Jan 09 20:10:05 <WDTY> ah,okay. but what do I have to do with the above instruction?
Jan 09 20:10:33 <WDTY> ah,just like upgrading ssh,while ur logged in with ssh
Jan 09 20:10:36 <Reedy_Boy> "In computing, bootstrapping refers to a process where a simple system activates another more complicated system that serves the same purpose."
Jan 09 20:10:53 <Reedy_Boy> yeah, you need to get something on so you can get into something else
Jan 09 20:11:20 <WDTY> lol,just liek yum auto installing the right dependancies
Jan 09 20:11:26 <WDTY> liek = like
Jan 09 20:12:02 <eno> in this particular case, you wget and tar extract
Jan 09 20:12:52 <eno> on other platforms, it's more automated, you bootstrap ipkg by running a self-extracting xsh (shell) script
Jan 09 20:13:35 <WDTY> okay,first I use vi or some to copy/past it in a file ,then chmod,then run?
Jan 09 20:14:20 <WDTY> "./bootstrap-bla.sh"
Jan 09 20:14:24 <eno> yeah, that works, you can also copy/paste/execute line by line
Jan 09 20:14:29 <WDTY> ow
Jan 09 20:15:34 <WDTY> really thanks for ur explanation(s)
Jan 09 20:16:31 <camarades> Reedy_Boy: thanks for your help
Jan 09 20:17:04 <eno> np, an example of automated optware bootstrap script: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs05q3armel/cross/unstable/mssii-bootstrap_1.0-8_arm.xsh
Jan 09 20:17:06 <WDTY> and Reedy_boy also!
Jan 09 20:17:18 <Reedy_Boy> :)
Jan 09 20:18:15 <eno> feel free to edit the wiki page and explain what bootstrap means in this context
Jan 09 20:18:27 <WDTY> lol. I`ll do!
Jan 09 20:19:30 <Reedy_Boy> "Using some shiz to get more shiz to work" ;)
Jan 09 20:28:05 <WDTY> lol
Jan 09 20:29:34 <Reedy_Boy> Im still waiting for someone else to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unslung and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipkg
Jan 09 20:29:43 <Reedy_Boy> [[NSLU2]] gets some edits
Jan 09 20:30:04 <WDTY> okay guys, U got ur credits ;)  http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe
Jan 09 20:30:30 <WDTY> (cut me some slack,second wiki edit ever!) ;)
Jan 09 20:30:56 <Reedy_Boy> Didnt need to credit us ;)
Jan 09 20:31:15 <WDTY> ghehe,I know though it was funny
Jan 09 20:34:50 * WDTY fetches himself a couch and a laptop,brb
Jan 09 20:37:11 <janne-5011> this page http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe would be nice if it was more clear waht to do with it.
Jan 09 20:37:59 <janne-5011> I mean how to get this 2 options:
Jan 09 20:38:02 <janne-5011> usr/bin/ipkg 
Jan 09 20:38:14 <janne-5011> and ipkg-opt
Jan 09 20:39:00 <janne-5011> just copy those lines or what?
Jan 09 20:48:30 <camarades> are harware with Marvell 88F5182 supported ?
Jan 09 20:49:16 <Reedy_Boy> Supported by what?
Jan 09 20:49:29 <Reedy_Boy> A quick google says the SC101T uses it.. And that isnt "supported"
Jan 09 20:51:53 <camarades> supported by the "open source community"
Jan 09 20:57:38 <camarades> supported by the "open source community"
Jan 09 21:03:25 <feffer> Hi all, I'm trying to unsling my slug, but can't telnet in
Jan 09 21:03:41 <feffer> have flashed it ok, and no disks attached
Jan 09 21:03:53 <WDTY> did u set the correct IP-adres before u unslug it?
Jan 09 21:04:14 <feffer> I used 192.168.1.144
Jan 09 21:04:19 <WDTY> otherwise its 192.168.1.77
Jan 09 21:04:39 <WDTY> can u ping it?
Jan 09 21:04:40 <feffer> so, I have to change it using the web gui?
Jan 09 21:04:47 <feffer> yes, I can ping
Jan 09 21:05:19 <WDTY> did u try it with ssh?
Jan 09 21:05:36 <feffer> no, but that's not installed yet
Jan 09 21:05:41 <WDTY> use putty to ssh into 192.168.1.144 on port 22
Jan 09 21:06:14 <feffer> I'm on a linux box, and the slug's flashed, but not unslung
Jan 09 21:06:40 <feffer> so I don't think ssh is installed on the slug side
Jan 09 21:06:47 <Reedy_Boy> Did you enabled telnet via the web interface?
Jan 09 21:06:52 <feffer> ye
Jan 09 21:06:54 <feffer> yes
Jan 09 21:07:27 <Reedy_Boy> is cant telnet, cant connect, or cant get on due to username/password issues?
Jan 09 21:07:42 <feffer> i think so
Jan 09 21:07:50 <feffer> I read the faq
Jan 09 21:08:17 <feffer> telnet won't accept the psswd
Jan 09 21:08:41 <janne-5011> root pass uNSLUng
Jan 09 21:08:50 <feffer> yes that one
Jan 09 21:09:09 <Reedy_Boy> did you attach a drive before telnetting on?
Jan 09 21:09:10 <janne-5011> reboot without disk attached
Jan 09 21:09:15 <feffer> I made a mistake having a hd attached first time I tried
Jan 09 21:09:22 <janne-5011> reboot then
Jan 09 21:09:25 <feffer> then reflashed without it
Jan 09 21:09:27 <janne-5011> without disk
Jan 09 21:09:30 <janne-5011> =)
Jan 09 21:09:45 <feffer> that's my current state, and pw won't go
Jan 09 21:10:05 <Reedy_Boy> how did you reflash it?
Jan 09 21:10:06 <janne-5011> user is root
Jan 09 21:10:12 <feffer> redboot
Jan 09 21:10:23 <feffer> yes i was root
Jan 09 21:10:54 <Reedy_Boy> upslug2?
Jan 09 21:11:05 <feffer> yes
Jan 09 21:11:58 <janne-5011> well if you cant do it, put your slug in upgrade mode and reflash it, may be faster then troubleshoot it and fix.
Jan 09 21:12:28 <feffer> well, I did that already and haven't re-attached a hd yet
Jan 09 21:12:48 <feffer> should I reset ip to .77?
Jan 09 21:13:00 <feffer> or shouldn't that matter?
Jan 09 21:13:04 <janne-5011> can you reach webinterface?
Jan 09 21:13:18 <feffer> yes, and it shows the flash worked
Jan 09 21:15:03 <feffer> I would reflash, except that I'm not sure where I'm going wrong, tried it 3x
Jan 09 21:15:05 <janne-5011> cant see why Ip shoiuld be involved
Jan 09 21:15:17 <feffer> me either
Jan 09 21:15:53 <janne-5011> reboot and try again it should work if you followed the README
Jan 09 21:17:03 <feffer> ok, but as I said, i did read it, and this is my 3rd try, a bad passwd is persisting, I think
Jan 09 21:17:11 <Reedy_Boy> it would seem so
Jan 09 21:17:22 <Reedy_Boy> presumably from plugging the drive in.. But the reflash should've cleared that
Jan 09 21:17:22 <feffer> shouldn't the reflash wash the pw?
Jan 09 21:17:30 <Reedy_Boy> it should if it was successful
Jan 09 21:18:06 <feffer> it seems so, and the hd hasn't been reattached since
Jan 09 21:18:20 <janne-5011> hm
Jan 09 21:19:02 <janne-5011> chekc the password this time put it in a text file and copy in it to make 100% sure
Jan 09 21:19:54 <feffer> actually I did paste it as user, and copied correctly, tried it several times before asking here
Jan 09 21:20:22 <janne-5011> ok
Jan 09 21:20:27 <feffer> don't think it's a typing error
Jan 09 21:21:38 <feffer> I'm using telnet in a kde terminal
Jan 09 21:21:44 <janne-5011> hm weird it should work
Jan 09 21:21:58 <feffer> seems to like the ip and user, but not pw
Jan 09 21:22:03 <Reedy_Boy> yeah
Jan 09 21:22:09 <Reedy_Boy> You get a login prompt, yes?
Jan 09 21:22:22 <feffer> in terminal telnet?
Jan 09 21:22:25 <janne-5011> and user is not admin its root
Jan 09 21:22:38 <Reedy_Boy> yeah
Jan 09 21:22:40 <Reedy_Boy> ie it said
Jan 09 21:22:41 <Reedy_Boy> login: 
Jan 09 21:22:45 <feffer> janne-5011: not sure what you mean
Jan 09 21:22:47 <Reedy_Boy> or whatever it says
Jan 09 21:22:51 <Reedy_Boy> Username: root
Jan 09 21:22:58 <janne-5011> user is root not admin
Jan 09 21:23:12 <Reedy_Boy> password: uNSLUng
Jan 09 21:23:44 <feffer> hmm, ok, I think I see the issue, maybe embarrassing
Jan 09 21:23:49 <janne-5011> =
Jan 09 21:24:03 <janne-5011> i did that mistake to first time=)
Jan 09 21:24:11 <feffer> ;) I'll be back prolly to apologize
Jan 09 21:24:13 <Reedy_Boy> feffer, yeah, you aint the first, and certainly wont be the last ;)
Jan 09 21:24:18 <janne-5011> =)))))
Jan 09 21:24:32 <Reedy_Boy> its admin, admin on the web interface
Jan 09 21:26:00 <feffer> yes, I'm in now. Sorry for the hassle, but thanks for your patience
Jan 09 21:26:21 <janne-5011> and btw putty is good to use to login with
Jan 09 21:27:06 <janne-5011> in puty you can save settings and jsut one click to login
Jan 09 21:27:38 <Reedy_Boy> putty is more reccommended if people are windows
Jan 09 21:28:07 <janne-5011> aha..but I used it with ubuntu before  worked fine
Jan 09 21:28:35 <janne-5011> maybe not for all distros dont know
Jan 09 21:29:03 <Reedy_Boy> its source.. so you can probably build it for your distro easily ;)
Jan 09 21:30:04 <janne-5011> yep
Jan 09 21:30:31 <Mike390> how do i configure samba to share with windows without needing passwords?
Jan 09 21:30:57 <Reedy_Boy> Mike390, firmware?
Jan 09 21:31:32 <Mike390> debian
Jan 09 21:35:23 <Reedy_Boy> I've done it before
Jan 09 21:35:30 <Reedy_Boy> but the linux box ive done it on seems to be down :/
Jan 09 21:36:04 <Reedy_Boy> Mike390, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-November/105434.html
Jan 09 21:36:28 <Reedy_Boy> "Samba can be configured in security=shared mode so users can access with no 
Jan 09 21:36:28 <Reedy_Boy> password. You can also use this mode for a combination of no pass and 
Jan 09 21:36:28 <Reedy_Boy> passwords for different levels of access. You also need to setup the guest 
Jan 09 21:36:28 <Reedy_Boy> account in samba to use this mode.
Jan 09 21:36:28 <Reedy_Boy> "
Jan 09 21:37:35 <Reedy_Boy> http://us5.samba.org/samba/
Jan 09 21:39:54 <WDTY> hmmz,running SlugOS/BE bag version 4.8 . I`m missing /usr/libexec/sftp-server . So I cannot transfer files with ssh-client. Isnt this lib suppose to be in the standard package?
Jan 09 21:45:37 <Mike390> Reedy_Boy: thanks it worked :)
Jan 09 21:45:43 <Reedy_Boy> cool :)
Jan 09 21:45:47 <Mike390> :P
Jan 09 23:07:18 <camarades> Reedy_Boy: still there ?
Jan 09 23:07:26 <Reedy_Boy> Ja
Jan 09 23:07:35 <camarades> have good 2 questions for you
Jan 09 23:08:15 <camarades> - with the 2 ethernet port, can we use the thecus as a router ?
Jan 09 23:08:51 <camarades> - with a 2,5" hd for system and a 3,5" for data, do you think i could use it with no fans ?
Jan 09 23:09:19 <camarades> (we where talking about the 2100 thecus)
Jan 09 23:10:22 <Reedy_Boy> 1) i dont know.. maybe with the right software installed on it
Jan 09 23:10:30 <Reedy_Boy> 2) i dont know... it still might get warm
Jan 09 23:10:43 <camarades> ok.
Jan 09 23:11:25 <camarades> do you use it ?
Jan 09 23:12:04 <Reedy_Boy> noope
Jan 09 23:17:45 <Reedy_Boy> What is the proper casing for ipkg
Jan 09 23:17:50 <Reedy_Boy> is it all lowercase, or is it iPKG?
Jan 09 23:49:32 <camarades> Reedy_Boy: good bye, ans thanks
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