**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 06 02:59:57 2008
Feb 06 03:00:43 <chrisb> arthur92710: by size, i mean 3.5in format, 2.5in 
Feb 06 03:01:20 <arthur92710> 5.25in
Feb 06 03:01:49 <chrisb> arthur92710: so, check on newegg.com for drive enclosures for that size IDE drive
Feb 06 03:02:06 <chrisb> arthur92710: i think you will find that they have their own power supply and fan
Feb 06 03:02:49 <arthur92710> Can I just get a IDE to usb cable there cheaper
Feb 06 03:02:57 <arthur92710> their*
Feb 06 03:03:44 <arthur92710> like the http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-to-IDE-DVD-CD-Rom-2-5-3-5-hard-disk-HDD-Cable_W0QQitemZ250212542412QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41911QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Feb 06 10:37:49 <WanderingII> anyone here using rtorrent?
Feb 06 11:08:56 <WanderingII> whats the best option for me to use on my unslung device i need to run php and mysql
Feb 06 11:28:38 <SysOp> Hi, anyone that have used PYTHON on a NSLU2-Linux ?
Feb 06 11:32:15 <WanderingII> sorry no. 
Feb 06 11:41:31 <barnseenio> yes
Feb 06 11:41:36 * barnseenio uses python
Feb 06 11:43:21 <WanderingII> i have a drive set up on my slug and its accesisble to anyone on the network, and i have a web server set up, lighttpd, but i want it to access files on the shared disk that everyone can see rather than the /opt/share/www/lighttpd directory it uses at the min. how can i change this?
Feb 06 11:47:51 <barnseenio> no idea, i dont use lighthttpd
Feb 06 11:48:00 <barnseenio> presume theres a config isnt there?
Feb 06 11:48:13 <WanderingII> i know how to change the file but dont know how to get the path of my shared folder
Feb 06 11:49:46 <barnseenio> where/how is the disk shared?
Feb 06 11:50:28 <barnseenio> no i've read it a few times, and i still dont understand the question
Feb 06 11:50:36 <barnseenio> you dont know how to specify the web root?
Feb 06 11:50:58 <WanderingII> it just appears up on my computer netwrok. ive the slug name slug and the disk named disk 2
Feb 06 11:51:19 <WanderingII> i can change the config file but i dont know how to point to the folder on my shared drive.
Feb 06 11:52:17 <barnseenio> i presume this directory exists in a location? i.e. /home/WanderingII/
Feb 06 11:52:29 <barnseenio> i actually don't use unslung, so im not sure how it shares the folders
Feb 06 11:52:46 <barnseenio> im now guessing it has some special way, rather than you configuring samba
Feb 06 11:53:24 <arualavi> WanderingII: can you telnet/ssh to your slug?
Feb 06 11:53:24 <WanderingII> i would assume so but i never really used linux that much so dont know how to find out
Feb 06 11:53:30 <WanderingII> yea im telnet at the min
Feb 06 11:53:50 <barnseenio> well you could copy a file into that shared folder
Feb 06 11:53:54 <barnseenio> then search for it?
Feb 06 11:54:13 <WanderingII> ok how do i search
Feb 06 11:54:22 <WanderingII> im currently in the root dir
Feb 06 11:54:38 <barnseenio> well, not sure whats installed there
Feb 06 11:54:40 <WanderingII> and have a file called songs.txt in the folder i want the path of
Feb 06 11:54:46 <arualavi> WanderingII: mount command should give you a list of mounted devices
Feb 06 11:54:47 <barnseenio> what happens if you type 'locate'
Feb 06 11:54:56 <barnseenio> aah, sounds easier solution ;-)
Feb 06 11:55:43 <WanderingII> nothing if i do locate. mount gives me six lines  these 2 seem like something along the lines of what im looking for
Feb 06 11:55:50 <WanderingII> /dev/sda1 on /share/flash/data type ext3 (rw)
Feb 06 11:55:50 <WanderingII>                                                              /dev/sda2 on /share/flash/conf type ext3 (rw,sync)
Feb 06 11:56:43 <arualavi> so ls /dev/sda1
Feb 06 11:56:47 <arualavi> or ls /dev/sda2
Feb 06 11:57:21 <arualavi> it's an easy way to see the contents of the discs
Feb 06 11:58:27 <WanderingII> lsls /dev/sda1 just prints that same line out and same with sda2
Feb 06 11:58:46 <barnseenio> so sounds like your web root will be something like /dev/sda1/www (or whatever you named it)
Feb 06 11:59:40 <arualavi> ... sorry ... ls /share/flash/data and so
Feb 06 12:00:21 <arualavi> i'm not using an nslu2 but i think that this two mount entries aren't what are you looking for
Feb 06 12:01:04 <barnseenio> on my debian slug /dev/sda3 on /media/hd type ext3 (rw)
Feb 06 12:01:19 <barnseenio> where /media/hd/ is the folder i need to refer to
Feb 06 12:01:47 <arualavi> yes, /media/hd looks better
Feb 06 12:02:17 <barnseenio> i probably made that name up though, when i first installed
Feb 06 12:02:33 <WanderingII> still cant get it
Feb 06 12:02:46 <barnseenio> when you type mount paste what comes back
Feb 06 12:03:02 <WanderingII> think id bother like this before when i was installin cups cant remember how i fixed it though :(
Feb 06 12:03:03 <barnseenio> oh you did ;-)
Feb 06 12:03:12 <WanderingII> its 6 lines is that ok or pastebin it?
Feb 06 12:03:17 <barnseenio> type ls /share/flash/data
Feb 06 12:03:34 <barnseenio> i dont care, some people may object
Feb 06 12:03:48 <arualavi> it's ok for me
Feb 06 12:03:58 <WanderingII> /dev/root on /initrd type jffs2 (rw)
Feb 06 12:03:59 <WanderingII> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw)
Feb 06 12:03:59 <WanderingII> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
Feb 06 12:03:59 <WanderingII> usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw)
Feb 06 12:03:59 <WanderingII> /dev/sda1 on /share/flash/data type ext3 (rw)
Feb 06 12:03:59 <WanderingII> /dev/sda2 on /share/flash/conf type ext3 (rw,sync)
Feb 06 12:05:58 <arualavi> what's the output of ls /share/flash/data ?
Feb 06 12:06:42 <WanderingII> different dirs such as bin etc  dev home lib root etc
Feb 06 12:07:17 <arualavi> are your disk plugged in usb now?
Feb 06 12:07:32 <WanderingII> yes
Feb 06 12:07:39 <arualavi> :(
Feb 06 12:07:48 <arualavi> can't help, sorry
Feb 06 12:08:05 <barnseenio> locate didnt work
Feb 06 12:08:11 <barnseenio> i seem to remember locate wasnt on unslung
Feb 06 12:08:18 <barnseenio> what happens if you type find
Feb 06 12:08:20 <arualavi> I don't understand why it isn't listed on mount points
Feb 06 12:09:10 <WanderingII> find listed every file on my drive
Feb 06 12:09:26 <WanderingII> and still is
Feb 06 12:09:38 <WanderingII> ah ha
Feb 06 12:09:42 <barnseenio> heh
Feb 06 12:09:43 <WanderingII> its in public :)
Feb 06 12:09:44 <barnseenio> ok thats good
Feb 06 12:09:44 <barnseenio> so 
Feb 06 12:09:56 <barnseenio> we can find the file you say you copied there
Feb 06 12:10:03 <barnseenio> or you already saw it?
Feb 06 12:10:23 <WanderingII> yes ive figured it out now i think 
Feb 06 12:10:33 <WanderingII> ill give it a go from here anyway. thanks for the help.
Feb 06 13:12:52 <SysOp> Great, is it working ok, "python on a Linksys NSLU2" ?
Feb 06 13:13:44 <SysOp> I have a smal HAM radio project that I'm working on and a Linksys NSLU2 with python should be a great solution :)
Feb 06 13:19:12 <barnseenio> python runs ok for me?
Feb 06 13:19:30 <barnseenio> i use edna.py as a radio/music streaming solution
Feb 06 13:27:22 <SysOp> That's good info :) tnx, I'm looking forward to some homework :)
Feb 06 13:29:39 <barnseenio> my nslu2 debian, not sure if that matters SysOp 
Feb 06 13:29:43 <barnseenio> ^ is
Feb 06 13:31:20 <SysOp> I'll start with "slug" and hope it will work :)
Feb 06 14:41:01 <fred> Does anyone have a link to some documentation for installing a nslu2 image in qemu on a normal PC?
Feb 06 14:41:13 <fred> specifically, I want to install the little-endian debian arm on it
Feb 06 15:29:06 <barnseenio> fred: good luck, i lost a week trying to get that going ;-)
Feb 06 15:30:11 <fred> barnseenio: I seem to have got it working
Feb 06 15:30:16 <fred> the debian installer is mostly done
Feb 06 15:37:13 <barnseenio> you did better than me!
Feb 06 15:37:25 <barnseenio> i was trying to get it working in a debian virtualpc
Feb 06 15:37:43 <barnseenio> i finally gave up, and compiled what i needed to directly on the slug
Feb 06 15:47:05 <fred> barnseenio: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php - and http://fred.uwcs.co.uk/b/qemu-deb-arm.png
Feb 06 18:32:20 <widrone> fred: Thanks, are those links living on the nslu2 wiki somewhere aswell? For future referance I mean. 
Feb 06 18:32:53 <widrone> "Day changed to 03 Jan 1970" <- methink his slug is not having the clock set properly :) 
Feb 06 18:39:43 <Fuzzel> boo
Feb 06 18:40:23 <Fuzzel> anyone knows (url is good) what the 'slug doesn't boot, all leds 'walk' in green, then ready goes orange, then walks again' thing was?
Feb 06 19:19:50 <Jin^eLD> hi.. I just flashed my NSLU2 with Unslug, but I can't get in; when I telnet with admin/admin it says NOTE: RUNNING FROM INTERNAL FLASH and then closes connection
Feb 06 19:20:10 <Jin^eLD> and the root/uNSLUng pw does not work
Feb 06 19:20:11 <Jin^eLD> any hints?
Feb 06 19:23:09 <mwester> Jin^eLD:  You can't login as admin (no shell/home), the root password will change if you have any external storage attached.
Feb 06 19:23:36 <Jin^eLD> mwester: I have a USB hdd attached and formatted
Feb 06 19:23:47 <mwester> That'll do it.
Feb 06 19:23:47 <Jin^eLD> how do I unsling now or what is the root pw?
Feb 06 19:24:31 <Jin^eLD> huh? I can't get in allthough the disk is attached
Feb 06 19:24:40 <mwester> shut down device, remove hdd and all USB cables, reboot, telnet in with root/uNSLUng, plug in drive, then perform unsling.
Feb 06 19:24:46 <Jin^eLD> aaah
Feb 06 19:24:47 <Jin^eLD> ok thanks
Feb 06 19:25:02 <WanderingIII> did you read the instructions with the unslung image?
Feb 06 19:25:21 <Jin^eLD> WanderingIII: yes, I was following the readme but I guess I missed the part with driver removing
Feb 06 19:25:27 <mwester> Yes.  The linksys firmware writes it's own passwd file when formatting the disk, so if you plug in a disk, you get that passwd file -- we don't know (and don't want to know) what that root pw is that Linksys puts ont he disk.
Feb 06 19:26:48 <mwester> Jin^eLD:  My NSLU2's mediatomb want desperately to talk to my HD-20 DVR -- any recent news on the PCM transcoding and that funky device?
Feb 06 19:27:35 <Jin^eLD> mwester: was it you who posted about it on the forums?
Feb 06 19:28:13 <Jin^eLD> basically... you have to find a format that the HD-20 will accept
Feb 06 19:28:22 <mwester> A long time ago.  Since then I observed that someone else had dug more deeply into the XML involved, and I was wondering if they got any further.
Feb 06 19:28:33 <Jin^eLD> either raw lpcm or wav or something
Feb 06 19:28:48 <Jin^eLD> no, we tried a couple of things but the topic died away
Feb 06 19:29:03 <mwester> I don't have a windows Media whatever install to compare the XML stream, so I'm at a bit of a loss.  Ah well. 
Feb 06 19:29:49 <Jin^eLD> does twonky work?
Feb 06 19:30:25 <mwester> Dunno.  I only use mediatomb, and I heard somewhere that twonky wasn't going to support the NSLU2 going forward.
Feb 06 19:31:26 <Jin^eLD> well, I doubt you could do transcoding on the NSLU anyway
Feb 06 19:31:46 <mwester> No problem, I thought I'd ask about it.  (gotta run to a meeting right now - bbl)
Feb 06 19:32:14 <Jin^eLD> l8r and thanks for the help
Feb 06 19:32:17 <Jin^eLD> unslinging now :>
Feb 06 19:32:33 <Jin^eLD> now that I have a unit I will at least have a chance to look how well it works with the server 
Feb 06 19:36:50 <Jin^eLD> doh, I get another error now
Feb 06 19:37:18 <Jin^eLD> after unslinging it says Error: /share/hdd/data (disk1, /dev/sdb1) is not a mounted disk
Feb 06 19:38:35 <WanderingIII> think id something like that
Feb 06 19:39:30 <WanderingIII> did you connect the drive with the slug switched on/
Feb 06 19:40:18 <Jin^eLD> yes, after logging in as root
Feb 06 19:40:36 <WanderingIII> and did you mount it?
Feb 06 19:41:51 <Jin^eLD> not manually, the readme says "wait" and "check if it is marked as "Formatted EXT3" in the web UI
Feb 06 19:41:56 <Jin^eLD> so I did that
Feb 06 19:42:02 <Jin^eLD> but I did not mount it manually
Feb 06 19:42:34 <WanderingIII> it never said that for mine the formatted etx3 bit  but i went on ahead anyway.
Feb 06 19:42:52 <WanderingIII> although i did see it later on on the web panel for the slug 
Feb 06 19:43:38 <Jin^eLD> I will reformat and see what happens
Feb 06 19:43:41 <WanderingIII> if you go to advanced
Feb 06 19:43:50 <WanderingIII> and then to disk  you will see it there
Feb 06 19:44:44 <WanderingIII> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TroubleshootADriveMissingCondition
Feb 06 19:45:18 <Jin^eLD> well, in the UI it says Disk 1 Status: Formatted (EXT3)
Feb 06 19:45:40 <Jin^eLD> I can also mount and unmount it manually via telnet
Feb 06 19:45:46 <Jin^eLD> but unsling will then say that it has not been formatted
Feb 06 19:46:34 <Jin^eLD> WanderingIII: the disk is there
Feb 06 19:46:38 <Jin^eLD> but I can not unsling
Feb 06 19:47:52 <Jin^eLD> replugged it, seems to work now
Feb 06 19:49:34 <WanderingIII> ok im not too sure ive only jsut set up myown slug so some of the stuff is still fresh in my mind but i got a lot of help in here.
Feb 06 19:51:43 <Jin^eLD> heh, takes ages to boot
Feb 06 19:52:13 <WanderingIII> mine was quickish at first but now seems a bit slower when ive put some apps on it.
Feb 06 19:53:49 <Jin^eLD> crap
Feb 06 19:53:53 <Jin^eLD> still running from internal flash
Feb 06 19:56:13 <WanderingIII> did you do unsling disk2?
Feb 06 19:56:39 <Jin^eLD> disk1
Feb 06 19:57:02 <WanderingIII> ah yea well just depends what port you use i used 2
Feb 06 19:57:05 <Jin^eLD> it seems to access the disk while booting though, so maybe the UI was wrong
Feb 06 19:57:18 <WanderingIII> did you reboot?
Feb 06 19:57:18 <Jin^eLD> I repeated the procedure, lets see
Feb 06 19:58:18 <Jin^eLD> now it worked
Feb 06 20:00:50 <WanderingIII> good stuff
Feb 06 20:01:44 <Jin^eLD> heh, but a really slow thing :)
Feb 06 20:01:58 <Jin^eLD> I have a couple of other NAS devices, also ARM based
Feb 06 20:02:16 <Jin^eLD> they seem kind of faster
Feb 06 20:08:02 <WanderingIII> ah wouldnt know this is my only one should be good when iget it fully set up
Feb 06 20:12:38 * fred wonders if qt 4.4 will be usable on a slug...
Feb 06 20:12:39 * fred tries :)
Feb 06 20:15:18 <Jin^eLD> the roots home dir /root is not in flash, right?
Feb 06 20:18:40 <NSLU2-IRC> helle everyone
Feb 06 20:19:16 <WanderingIII> dunno the directorys is one thing im stugglin with at the min btu i know if i telet and type cd .. i get the root folder and the folder viewable on my network is /public
Feb 06 20:19:35 <Jin^eLD> if mediatomb is killed, the sqlite database gets corrupt
Feb 06 20:19:41 <Jin^eLD> I know it gets corrupt easily on jffs2
Feb 06 20:19:48 <Jin^eLD> but should be ok on disk
Feb 06 20:20:20 <RadarG> I'm some problems with my mslu2 dropping shares after a power cycle. Right now its unmoded. I'm trying to figure out which firmware would be right for me
Feb 06 20:20:37 <fred> Jin^eLD: depends what distribution it's running
Feb 06 20:21:11 <Jin^eLD> fred: unslug, but seems its on disk
Feb 06 20:21:30 <RadarG> right now its running V2.3R63
Feb 06 20:25:08 <RadarG> I have a two disk setup can I copy every over to one disk then use the other to install unslug? Or is it just best that I remove the data from both drives
Feb 06 20:26:42 <RadarG> or could i just upgrade the firmware to 2.3r73 or 72 to resolve the share showing up in red
Feb 06 20:29:13 <Jin^eLD> is there a way to start dropbear automatically?
Feb 06 20:37:03 <RadarG> can i put unslug on my nslu2 if I'm running the 63 linksys firmware?
Feb 06 20:45:24 <mwester> Jin^eLD:  The shutdown procedure on Unslung generally approximates a controlled crash -- you have only a few seconds (if that much) to close up the app and save data before the shutdown just powers the device off.
Feb 06 20:45:55 <Jin^eLD> mwester: you can kill -9 on PC but sqlite will not get corrupt so easily there
Feb 06 20:46:32 <mwester> I suspect that something may not be given enough time to flush the disk buffers on Unslung.  How big is the database  you are testing?
Feb 06 20:46:48 <Jin^eLD> mwester: it even happened with an empty db
Feb 06 20:46:52 <Jin^eLD> so rather small
Feb 06 20:46:59 <Jin^eLD> I had various users reporting this problem
Feb 06 20:47:49 <Jin^eLD> gotta run, l8r everyone
Feb 06 20:47:53 <Jin^eLD> thanks for the help :)
Feb 06 20:51:17 <RadarG> what is the easiest hacked firmware to install?
Feb 06 20:52:18 <DrJ> unslung
Feb 06 20:53:32 <RadarG> the only problem is that I'm running rev63 of the linksys firmware
Feb 06 20:54:02 <RadarG> how is WRT?
Feb 06 20:54:08 <RadarG> is it any good
Feb 06 20:54:17 <DrJ> it depends on what you want to use your nslu2 for
Feb 06 20:54:25 <DrJ> and your level of experiance in linux
Feb 06 20:54:33 <RadarG> average
Feb 06 20:55:25 <RadarG> enough that if I get stuck I can find help
Feb 06 20:56:03 <DrJ> I personally love slugosbe
Feb 06 20:56:20 <DrJ> wrt is basically if you just want to run without a hd
Feb 06 20:56:36 <DrJ> if you don't know much about linux, you're best with unslung
Feb 06 20:57:40 * Fuzzel starts wondering if there is flashing limit on that eeprom ;)
Feb 06 20:58:33 <DrJ> :)
Feb 06 20:58:46 <DrJ> I'm sure you can flash many times
Feb 06 20:58:57 <RadarG> but I'm using r63 telnet is disabled
Feb 06 20:59:40 <mwester> Fuzzel: Generally the limit for flash devices is a minimum of 10,000 flashes.  So if you reflashed 10 times per day, you might encounter the first problem after three years.
Feb 06 21:00:16 <mwester> RadarG:  The rev of firmware you are running right now has no effect on what firmware you can consider to install.
Feb 06 21:00:36 <Fuzzel> mwester: then I think I will hit it soon ;)
Feb 06 21:00:57 <mwester> Then you need to buy a few more!
Feb 06 21:01:07 <RadarG> with unslug the directions want you to telent into the nnslu2 and i cant becuase it is disabled
Feb 06 21:01:17 <Fuzzel> already have 2 of them for a long long time
Feb 06 21:01:27 <Fuzzel> one still works, the other one is giving the creeps
Feb 06 21:01:29 * DrJ must say: I have noticed an increase (small, but noticeable) in preformance since i started using a flash drive as swap
Feb 06 21:01:47 <mwester> Fuzzel:  what firmware?
Feb 06 21:02:02 <mwester> RadarG:  You need to re-read the instructions, then.  
Feb 06 21:02:21 <Fuzzel> mwester: R64, Debian, Unslung
Feb 06 21:02:37 <Fuzzel> something odd in the config area I assume, as it doesn't boot through
Feb 06 21:02:47 <Fuzzel> eehm s/R63/R64/
Feb 06 21:02:51 <Fuzzel> the otherway around
Feb 06 21:03:15 <mwester> Fuzzel:  None of those firmwares write to the flash except when installing, so you have little to worry about in terms of wearing out the flash.
Feb 06 21:03:20 <DrJ> before I was using my flash drive as swap I was transferring at 4.9Mbps, now I transfer at 6.25Mbps :)
Feb 06 21:03:33 <Fuzzel> mwester: but I have flashed it a lot of times already :)
Feb 06 21:03:47 <mwester> 10,000 times?
Feb 06 21:03:50 <Fuzzel> nah ;)
Feb 06 21:03:58 <Fuzzel> but 250 at least :)
Feb 06 21:04:04 <DrJ> why?
Feb 06 21:04:15 <Fuzzel> it would be soooo useful if the console output would be sent as raw ethernet frames
Feb 06 21:04:29 <Fuzzel> drj: because it doesn't want to properly boot
Feb 06 21:04:39 <DrJ> then maybe you need to find a new nslu2
Feb 06 21:04:50 <DrJ> you can get them for $50 on ebay
Feb 06 21:04:59 <Fuzzel> I have redboot access, can upgrade it that way too, but then it returns in endless loop
Feb 06 21:05:11 <Fuzzel> nah, why get a new one, where is the fun in that, I am jtag enabled :)
Feb 06 21:05:42 <DrJ> what's the point of having one though if you have to reflash every day
Feb 06 21:06:30 <Fuzzel> not every day
Feb 06 21:06:42 <DrJ> every other day?
Feb 06 21:06:50 <DrJ> if you've done it 250+ times
Feb 06 21:06:55 <DrJ> then obviously often
Feb 06 21:06:59 <Fuzzel> I was repurposing them, they where running fine with the openslug kernel but running debian off disk
Feb 06 21:07:18 <Fuzzel> but I reflashed them (one successfully which is running great) with the current debian kernel/installer stuff
Feb 06 21:07:30 <Fuzzel> the other one didn't want to come along though
Feb 06 21:08:24 <DrJ> I've flashed mine twice, once to unslung, and once to slugos
Feb 06 21:08:43 <Fuzzel> this one is a bit older, 2005 or so
Feb 06 21:10:51 <Fuzzel> #
Feb 06 21:10:52 <Fuzzel> # 24.06.2005
Feb 06 21:10:53 <mwester> Fuzzel:  That's netconsole.  You can add that to the base firmware on SlugOS, and it's part of the base image with Unslung 6.10
Feb 06 21:10:57 <Fuzzel> 127.-  :)
Feb 06 21:11:09 <Fuzzel> mwester: but how does one enable it ?
Feb 06 21:12:13 <mwester> Not yet documented.  It should be fairly obvious if you look at /linuxrc
Feb 06 21:12:30 <Fuzzel> you mean, when you compile your own setup and build your own .bin? :)
Feb 06 21:12:31 <mwester> I think you just touch /.nc or similar
Feb 06 21:12:48 <mwester> Fuzzel:  For what distro?
Feb 06 21:12:52 <Fuzzel> on a disk?... if I had a booting kernel, that would be GREAT :)
Feb 06 21:13:07 <mwester> No, not on the disk - on the flash!
Feb 06 21:13:17 <mwester> That's exactly the point.
Feb 06 21:13:23 <Fuzzel> and how do you get into that flash part?
Feb 06 21:13:35 <mwester> What distro?
Feb 06 21:13:46 <mwester> (let's be clear about what we speak of)
Feb 06 21:13:57 <Fuzzel> I can't care less which distro it is
Feb 06 21:14:06 <Fuzzel> I have 1 UTP plug, 1 power plug, and no disk yet
Feb 06 21:14:18 <Fuzzel> can attach one, but why attach one if it doesn't even come up
Feb 06 21:14:35 <mwester> distro == firmware ---- what firmware are you installing?
Feb 06 21:14:38 <Fuzzel> indeed default R63 doesn't come up either
Feb 06 21:14:46 <Fuzzel> 22:02 <Fuzzel> mwester: R64, Debian, Unslung
Feb 06 21:14:50 <Fuzzel> tried all of them :)
Feb 06 21:15:01 <Fuzzel> also did the sysconf reset using redboot
Feb 06 21:15:10 <Fuzzel> did that before and after uploading the image
Feb 06 21:15:26 <mwester> Yes, I saw that.  I'm trying to figure out what firmware you are working with.  I expect then that you are asking me to tell you what firmware to use?
Feb 06 21:15:35 <Fuzzel> pick one :)
Feb 06 21:15:39 <Fuzzel> I'll try :)
Feb 06 21:16:22 <Fuzzel> the endresult will be a debian one though, but in the meantime, I just want it to ping&ssh, and not redboot wise
Feb 06 21:16:44 <mwester> That's a little too open-ended.  Unslung is rather inflexible and bound up by the linksys firmware -- but it has easy access to netconsole.  SlugOS is completely different, and you would add netconsole the same way you would add it to any other linux system - -but I don't know your comfort level with that.
Feb 06 21:16:56 <Fuzzel> I can try unslung :)
Feb 06 21:17:15 <mwester> Perhaps what you need to do is consider a serial console?  That works at the hardware, and doesn't require specific software or such.
Feb 06 21:17:17 <Fuzzel> I can't care less which thing is below it.... I kinda know my way around most unices ;)
Feb 06 21:17:29 <Fuzzel> yes jtagging it is one step to go
Feb 06 21:17:40 <mwester> No
Feb 06 21:18:00 <Fuzzel> don't have a serial header or usb plug
Feb 06 21:18:18 <mwester> Easy to aquire.
Feb 06 21:18:32 <Fuzzel> not here, lets state it like that ;)
Feb 06 21:19:29 <mwester> But in any case, install unslung 6.10.  Follow the instructions to unsling.  Once you have it all working, boot it up without disks.  check the /linuxrc file for details, but just create /.nc and reboot.  You'll see data being transmitted during boot.
Feb 06 21:19:44 <Fuzzel> the prob is... it doesn't boot the kernel properly
Feb 06 21:19:49 <mwester> The netconsole output (kernel messages) will be UDB, the boot logs (init, et al) will be via TCP.
Feb 06 21:20:04 <mwester> Fuzzel:  Well, then you need a serial console.  
Feb 06 21:20:08 <Fuzzel> if I could get on the thing with a default kernel I would be happy :)
Feb 06 21:20:21 * mwester shakes his head in utter confusion
Feb 06 21:20:35 <Fuzzel> serial is probably indeed the only way to go
Feb 06 21:20:37 <mwester> What *ARE* you running for a kernel, then.
Feb 06 21:20:48 <Fuzzel> all of them that I tried don't boot
Feb 06 21:20:56 <Fuzzel> they simply don't come up
Feb 06 21:20:59 <mwester> Then you have a hardware problem.
Feb 06 21:21:10 <mwester> What about the linksys firmware?
Feb 06 21:21:29 <Fuzzel> install the default R63 and it doesn't do anything, normally that would start broadcasting NMB stuff and you know also where it is, in the case of a lost IP address etc
Feb 06 21:21:48 <Fuzzel> I am pondering about the battery, that could be an issue
Feb 06 21:22:08 <mwester> THat's not my experience, often if the sysconf partition is messed up it transmits nothing that you can see on the network.
Feb 06 21:22:26 <Fuzzel> that is why I resetted it to nill per the sysconf thing
Feb 06 21:22:38 <mwester> It might be battery, that's easy to replace.  Otherwise it sounds like hardware of some sort.
Feb 06 21:23:03 <Fuzzel> funny thing is, when it is supposed to be booted it now goes into orange-status only
Feb 06 21:23:11 <mwester> Can you telnet into redboot?
Feb 06 21:23:15 <Fuzzel> then keeping the reset pressed for 10secs will nicely go into upgrade mode
Feb 06 21:23:20 <Fuzzel> yep, redboot works fine
Feb 06 21:24:10 <Fuzzel> so it is not most likely the cabling either (which I also swapped already, including the switch, and using MDX and crossover cables etc :)
Feb 06 21:24:38 <mwester> Ok.  So most of the hardware is working.  Might be a memory problem, then.  Or perhaps (less likely) some hardware not used by redboot (USB, etx)
Feb 06 21:25:48 <Fuzzel> yeah, something like that, hard to tell when you don't get messages :)
Feb 06 21:25:59 <Fuzzel> that is why I mentioned.... raw ethernet frames would be handy :)
Feb 06 21:34:17 <mwester> Fuzzel:  Can't be done on that hardware.
Feb 06 21:34:54 <Fuzzel> the IXP includes the MII doesn't it?
Feb 06 21:35:54 <mwester> Fuzzel:  We now have a driver that is in-kernel, and thus theoretically with the netconsole in-kernel it could do that -- except that we cannot load firmware into the network hardware in-kernel (patches to do that are not accepted by the Linux kernel mainainers.  So we cannot load the firmware until it's booted up.  Which means that you at least need to get to the flash being mounted before netcoonsole works.
Feb 06 21:36:12 <mwester> )
Feb 06 21:36:24 <Fuzzel> ah the nice "we are open" crap argumentation....
Feb 06 21:36:45 <Fuzzel> I meant though more from the redboot point
Feb 06 21:36:57 <Fuzzel> that understands the interface, it clearly can also send packets onto the network
Feb 06 21:36:57 <mwester> How so?
Feb 06 21:37:12 <Fuzzel> hell you can go into redboot by sending it packets, and upgrade also works that way
Feb 06 21:37:45 <mwester> Redboot has its own network driver, so yes, redboot can talk to the network.  But that driver (along with redboot) is gone as soon as the first instruction in the kernel executes.
Feb 06 21:37:59 <Fuzzel> for instance bochs has a "hardware" port, anything written to it is send out to the debug, similar that could send raw packets
Feb 06 21:38:19 <Fuzzel> I think it is not even hitting the kernel ;)
Feb 06 21:38:27 <mwester> Dunno what a bochs is -- professional-grade hardware?
Feb 06 21:38:36 <Fuzzel> x86 emu
Feb 06 21:38:40 <mwester> Ah.
Feb 06 21:39:02 <Fuzzel> I am just thinking up things how this debugging could be made easier ;)
Feb 06 21:39:03 <mwester> Keep in mind that the NSLU2 is an appliance, low cost was the design goal by Linksys
Feb 06 21:39:15 <Fuzzel> it's an IXP, those are generic enough
Feb 06 21:41:21 <Fuzzel> I mean, if you had a 'if you write to port 0x0nnnn it appears on the wire" thing, I am pretty sure that one could enable that in the kernel as a 'console', especially in combo when certain buttons or other things are pressed, or at least to do a "oops...." message
Feb 06 21:43:35 <Fuzzel> but I'll solder on a nice little serial port tomorrow, lets see how my soldering skills are ;)
Feb 06 21:44:33 <DrJ> you should get one and do all that stuff to it Fuzzel and sell it on ebay
Feb 06 21:44:37 * DrJ would possibly buy it
Feb 06 21:44:45 * DrJ would pay money for a "fat" slug
Feb 06 21:44:59 <Fuzzel> if you want a fat slug, just get one of those thecus toys
Feb 06 21:45:02 * Reedy_Boy will see if there are any in the garden
Feb 06 21:45:03 <Reedy_Boy> hehe
Feb 06 21:46:06 <DrJ> very funny
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