**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:56 2008
Feb 08 11:53:31 <Jochem_> Hi there. Is there any way to enable linux the support of user groups in Openslug?
Feb 08 11:56:19 <Jochem_> anybody there?
Feb 08 15:32:03 <NSLU2-IRC> hello?
Feb 08 15:42:08 <EmuandCo> hi
Feb 08 15:44:23 <NSLU2-IRC> hi sorry, must be a slow time of the day!
Feb 08 15:44:46 <EmuandCo> lol, yes
Feb 08 15:45:32 <NSLU2-IRC> just have a quick question, someone is offering me an unslung slug, but they say "OS wiped and stored on an attached hdd", 
Feb 08 15:46:17 <EmuandCo> and you wanna know if this is alright
Feb 08 15:46:23 <NSLU2-IRC> does that mean if i get the slug on its own, it'll be useless to me? or can i then fix it?
Feb 08 15:46:26 <NSLU2-IRC> yeah
Feb 08 15:47:34 <EmuandCo> you always can flash back the old Firmware. But unslung normally gets copied over to a external drive to be able to install more stuff. There always stays a small Unslung FW linux on the internal flash which will bott, if you dontattatch anything
Feb 08 15:55:46 <NSLU2-IRC> bott?
Feb 08 15:56:03 <NSLU2-IRC> sorry for the slow replies, window doesnt flash andi get distracted :p
Feb 08 16:13:29 <NSLU2-IRC> ohhh, BOOT
Feb 08 16:13:33 <NSLU2-IRC> wow, i'm slow
Feb 08 17:00:28 <Blastur> hi!
Feb 08 17:02:39 <Blastur> i use my nslu2 for backup only, and it works great. however, it runs a veeeery old version (i think?), it's called DebianSlug 3.10 beta. Now im doing some changes, and thought I'd upgrade. Is this Ångström dist the best option, in terms of performance?
Feb 08 17:03:12 <Blastur> also, i'd like to do a aes loopback on my backup disk, i read about it on the wiki.. is this possible on ångström? the guide on wiki described it for OpenSlug i think
Feb 08 17:04:37 <Blastur> also, should I go with Little Endian, or Big Endian dist of Ångström
Feb 08 18:12:00 <Blastur> i guess ill go with the Big Endian then!
Feb 08 19:11:55 <PPmarcel> Blastur: 
Feb 08 19:12:09 <PPmarcel> you don't want to install debian so?
Feb 08 19:12:19 <PPmarcel> debian support the nslu2 now
Feb 08 19:12:30 <Blastur> i dont have a 1 gb memory stick unfortunately :(
Feb 08 19:12:34 <Blastur> only 512 mb
Feb 08 19:12:51 <PPmarcel> erf ok
Feb 08 19:13:13 <Blastur> does debian have easy disk encryption setup?
Feb 08 19:13:26 <Blastur> i guess i could just head out and get one tomorrow, they are like a few bucks 
Feb 08 19:13:28 <PPmarcel> hum
Feb 08 19:13:39 <PPmarcel> all what you do with debian, is in debian arm
Feb 08 19:13:43 <PPmarcel> almost
Feb 08 19:13:43 <Blastur> cause the only packages i really need is cryptsetup and rsync
Feb 08 19:13:49 <PPmarcel> well, wait
Feb 08 19:13:50 <Blastur> which endianess does debian use?
Feb 08 19:14:04 <PPmarcel> i don't know :s
Feb 08 19:14:24 <Blastur> it seems like ångström is faster in floating point
Feb 08 19:14:29 <Blastur> so im gonna with that dist :)
Feb 08 19:14:39 <PPmarcel> cryptsetup ans rsync exist in debian arm
Feb 08 19:14:47 <PPmarcel> ok :)
Feb 08 19:14:50 <PPmarcel> i don't know it
Feb 08 19:15:04 <PPmarcel> you don't use an nslu2, right?
Feb 08 19:15:08 <Blastur> if you read Angstrom on http://www.slug-firmware.net/
Feb 08 19:15:24 <Blastur> it says it is the fastest floating point dist for nslu2
Feb 08 19:15:35 <Blastur> not sure how much floating point calcs I do though, but .. :)
Feb 08 19:15:45 <Reedy_Boy> its also not really in full release/reccommended for general use yet..
Feb 08 19:15:59 <Blastur> what do you suggest then?
Feb 08 19:16:22 <Blastur> i want a stable system which can run rsync + cryptsetup, and does not require more than 512 mb mem stick
Feb 08 19:49:46 <Blastur> anyone know what the default login for angstrom nslu2 dist is?
Feb 08 20:06:08 <Blastur> kinda sucks that i cant login to my own nslu 2 :)
Feb 08 20:11:23 <ShadowJK> i dont think you do any floating point :)
Feb 08 20:13:09 * Blastur is flashing with SlugOS BE now
Feb 08 20:13:19 <Blastur> anyone know the default login for it.. opeNSLUg ?
Feb 08 20:47:39 <WanderingII> anyone here have rtorrent set up?
Feb 08 21:22:12 <Blastur> ive just installed slugos BE, did the normal setup flow: turnup init, turnup preserve, plugged in my usb-stick + usb hdd (which already have partitions), re-created the ext3 fs on my usb-stick, and did turnup memstick to move OS to stick, reboot.. it doesn't come online so i can ping it again.. whats wrong?
Feb 08 21:26:14 <Blastur> hmm, it seems like if I disconnect my HDD, it works ?? that is, if I only start it with the USB stick 
Feb 08 21:28:28 <Blastur> perhaps this issue? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MountDisksByLabel
Feb 08 21:29:11 <WanderingII> Blastur, whats wrong?
Feb 08 21:30:29 <Blastur> WanderingII: when i boot my newly installed nslu2 with slugosBE, and the USB stick + USB hdd attached, it does not come online the network
Feb 08 21:30:38 <Blastur> if I remove the HDD, and only boot with USB stick, it works fine
Feb 08 21:31:44 <Blastur> and it feels like the issue is that the disks are detected wrongly, i think the NSLU2 tries to boot from my USB HDD, which has no OS on it
Feb 08 21:31:54 <WanderingII> hmm sorry im on unslung. i know for mine it mattered which usb port i used for the hard drive but dont think thats your problem.
Feb 08 21:32:16 <WanderingII> why did you pick slugosbe?
Feb 08 21:32:16 <Blastur> the problem is, how can i easily modify the kernel command line to boot from a UUID instead of a /dev/sda address?
Feb 08 21:32:59 <Blastur> well, it was more of an upgrade.. i have been using a very old of slugOS for 2 years or so, so today i upgrade .. didnt go so well :P
Feb 08 21:33:38 <WanderingII> ah rite ok. sorry i dont think i can be of any help to you. ive only just set mine up. actually trying to get a torrent client to work on it at the min
Feb 08 21:34:11 <Blastur> ok, thanks anyway :)
Feb 08 21:58:41 <WanderingII> how can i get a web host set up on my slug. i thought i had it set up and i seem to be able to view html pages ok but not php. 
Feb 08 22:05:40 <gouki> WanderingII: You can install a WEB server (thttpd seems ok for the slug) but you also need to install php libraries.
Feb 08 22:05:58 <gouki> WanderingII: Using Debian?
Feb 08 22:06:29 <WanderingII> yea im searchin google here for info. i get a 403 forbidden and one site made the suggestion that its a permissions problem on the folder so i set it to 755 but still get the same problem
Feb 08 22:06:34 <WanderingII> no im on unslung
Feb 08 22:06:41 <Blastur> hmm, im really confused on this .. why would the slug behave this way if I insert my USB HDD? i tried looking into Mount by Label, in case its caused by that.. but, it seems like my system doesn't even have /dev/disk/ .. ? 
Feb 08 22:07:13 <gouki> WanderingII: Search on the repository for the php package.
Feb 08 22:07:27 <osas> Blastur: run dmesg
Feb 08 22:07:53 <WanderingII> php is installed and up to date 
Feb 08 22:08:20 <Blastur> osas: how? :) i can't reach the box because it wont reply on the network.. and dmesg is cleared on reboots, isnt it?
Feb 08 22:08:59 <osas> well, I assumed that your slug is running and you wanted to plug in your usb hd ...
Feb 08 22:09:24 <osas> srry ... I haven't read your previous posts :p
Feb 08 22:09:29 <Blastur> the problem is that if I plugin my USB HDD (it gets recognized and all fine), and then reboot, the slug wont come back online 
Feb 08 22:09:47 <Blastur> i _think_ it has to do with that slug tries to boot from USB HDD instead of USB-stick, if USB-HDD is present
Feb 08 22:10:08 <osas> is this unslug or slugos?
Feb 08 22:10:14 <Blastur> but i have no way to change this it seems, cause my system doesn't seem to have device UUIDs .. in fact, i have no /dev/disk/ directory at all
Feb 08 22:10:39 <Blastur> it is SlugOS/BE 4.8 Beta (NSLU2)
Feb 08 22:10:53 <osas> have you turnup to the HD?
Feb 08 22:11:16 <Blastur> no, but i have turnup the memstick, which it boots from fine.. until I plug in the HDD and try to boot
Feb 08 22:11:53 <osas> and you still have the memstick plugged in, right?
Feb 08 22:12:23 <osas> so, it will boot up with the memstick plugged in and nothing else
Feb 08 22:12:39 <osas> but it will not boot with both memstick and hd
Feb 08 22:12:41 <Blastur> right,.. it works fine with only memstick, and fails with both memstick and hdd
Feb 08 22:13:15 <Blastur> and i can mount the hdd fine, if I first boot with memstick, then plugin hdd .. but again, on reboot it will fail
Feb 08 22:13:39 <Blastur> is it possible to view the dmesg of a previous boot?
Feb 08 22:13:53 <Blastur> not sure where it would store that though .. :)
Feb 08 22:14:08 <osas> nope
Feb 08 22:14:59 <WanderingII> how do you restart a process?
Feb 08 22:15:32 <osas> . /etc/init.d/
Feb 08 22:15:38 <Blastur> many processes have init.d scripts, so you go like /etc/init.d/procname restart
Feb 08 22:15:45 <osas> yup
Feb 08 22:15:50 <osas> or stop start
Feb 08 22:16:11 <Blastur> osas, what dist do you run on your slug?
Feb 08 22:16:33 <osas> the boot device is selected  via /initrd/linuxrc
Feb 08 22:16:34 <Blastur> cause i just moved from old slugos 3.10 beta, where this disk problem did not occur .. i think its because of 2.6 kernel
Feb 08 22:16:57 <osas> in 3.10 you have 2.6 kernel
Feb 08 22:17:03 <osas> I run both
Feb 08 22:17:18 <WanderingII> hmm i want to restart lighttpd so typed /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart and got a message saying  /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart
Feb 08 22:17:28 <WanderingII> not found
Feb 08 22:17:34 <osas> try stop
Feb 08 22:17:36 <osas> start
Feb 08 22:17:53 <Blastur> osas, if it boots from disk specified in /initrd/linuxrc, then its: sleep='10' UUID='6f3c5e76-4bba-4c4e-b3d6-4d7fdc9f7e4e' exec '/boot/disk' '/dev/sda1' '-t' 'ext3' '-o' 'noatime'
Feb 08 22:18:05 <Blastur> how can I determine if that UUID belongs to my usb-stick?
Feb 08 22:18:07 <osas> that one should be the flash
Feb 08 22:18:08 <WanderingII> no same
Feb 08 22:18:24 <osas> WanderingII, take a look inside the script
Feb 08 22:18:37 <osas> WanderingII, which verison are you running?
Feb 08 22:18:45 <osas> unslung or slugos?
Feb 08 22:18:47 <WanderingII> unslung os
Feb 08 22:18:51 <osas> oh
Feb 08 22:19:14 <osas> you should check /opt/etc/init.d
Feb 08 22:19:55 <Blastur> isn't it weird that I dont have /dev/disk dir osas?
Feb 08 22:20:03 <osas> nope
Feb 08 22:20:14 <osas> you have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
Feb 08 22:20:56 <WanderingII> ok i have the lighttpd listed in /opt/etc/init.d  but if i try  lighttpd restart or stop start i get "no configuration available. try using -f option."
Feb 08 22:20:58 <Blastur> but it seems like they are swapped when i plugin HDD, so when only memstick is used, it is /dev/sda, but when I use both HDD and memstick, the stick becomes /dev/sdb
Feb 08 22:21:51 <osas> the os should be able to recognize the boot device by UUID
Feb 08 22:22:01 <Blastur> why does it even mention /dev/sda1 then? 
Feb 08 22:22:01 <osas> you will need to check with mwester about this
Feb 08 22:22:32 <osas> WanderingII, kill the process and restart it via the script
Feb 08 22:22:58 <osas> take a look inside the script
Feb 08 22:23:04 <osas> to see what is doing
Feb 08 22:23:11 <WanderingII> how do i do that?
Feb 08 22:23:29 <osas> and running a ps, it will show you the arguments
Feb 08 22:23:37 <osas> with less
Feb 08 22:23:56 <osas> WanderingII, are you familiar with linux?
Feb 08 22:24:13 <Blastur> is it possible to connect a serial cable and view output from bootup with nslu2 osas? cant find any docs on it @ wiki
Feb 08 22:24:17 <WanderingII> not really
Feb 08 22:24:30 <osas> Blastur, there are
Feb 08 22:24:33 <osas> search
Feb 08 22:24:47 <Blastur> tried 'serial' :) mentions no nslu2, only other devices
Feb 08 22:25:15 <osas> http://www.google.ca/search?q=nslu2%20serial
Feb 08 22:25:27 <Blastur> thanks
Feb 08 22:25:37 <osas> np
Feb 08 22:27:22 <osas> WanderingII, use cat
Feb 08 22:27:33 <osas> cat /opt/etc/init.d/lighttpd
Feb 08 22:27:42 <osas> and you will see the content of the file
Feb 08 22:28:06 <WanderingII> how can you exit a cat ?
Feb 08 22:28:11 <osas> you will need to read a little bit about sh to understand the comands
Feb 08 22:28:25 <osas> the cat will output the content of the file and it will return
Feb 08 22:28:37 <WanderingII> just i typed in cat on its own and now im stuck inside it
Feb 08 22:28:48 <osas> :)
Feb 08 22:28:50 <osas> Ctrl-C
Feb 08 22:29:01 <osas> you need to cat a file
Feb 08 22:29:10 <Blastur> osas: isn't this weird: http://pastebin.com/m7153de66 .. it seems like the UUID matches my memstick
Feb 08 22:29:31 <osas> yup
Feb 08 22:29:34 <osas> it is weird
Feb 08 22:29:49 <osas> on slugos, the boot device should be recognized by that
Feb 08 22:29:52 <WanderingII> its S80lighttpd on my slug but  i had already tried that with the restart btw.
Feb 08 22:30:04 <osas> if you can attach a serial and debug this, it would be really helpfull
Feb 08 22:30:21 <WanderingII> excellent
Feb 08 22:30:26 <WanderingII> thanks osas!
Feb 08 22:30:30 <osas> WanderingII, that script should restart lighttpd if you run it
Feb 08 22:30:42 <osas> np
Feb 08 22:30:50 <WanderingII> brilliant and now my php works :D
Feb 08 22:30:56 <osas> cool :)
Feb 08 22:31:01 <WanderingII> yea i was able to see what was inside and what i needed to run
Feb 08 22:31:07 <Blastur> if I get one of these cables: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Peripherals/USB2Serial .. will it work? that should only start to output stuff once the kernel module is loaded, right ? 
Feb 08 22:31:21 <osas> yup
Feb 08 22:31:21 <Blastur> so if this is a kernel panic, i may not be able to see anything even with such cable
Feb 08 22:31:26 <osas> no
Feb 08 22:31:33 <osas> not over usb
Feb 08 22:31:37 <Blastur> but if i solder?
Feb 08 22:31:53 <osas> you need to connect the cable to those pins that are shown there
Feb 08 22:32:49 <osas> you need to connect the cable to the NSLU2 4-pin serial port.
Feb 08 22:32:56 <WanderingII> can mysql be installed on a slug?
Feb 08 22:33:01 <osas> yup
Feb 08 22:33:22 <osas> but don't try to load to many things on it
Feb 08 22:33:30 <osas> it has only 32M of RAM
Feb 08 22:33:47 <osas> it is ok for light operations
Feb 08 22:33:53 <Blastur> im gonna try it osas, i found my old serial cable here.. it even has a 4-pin header, so it should slide right on there
Feb 08 22:34:03 <osas> have fun
Feb 08 22:34:04 <osas> :)
Feb 08 22:34:23 <Blastur> though it has no power, but i dont need that i think.. it only has TXD, RXD and GND
Feb 08 22:34:24 <WanderingII> its currently runnin itunes server and print server and now i want to have a mini home page so i can access some files etc from anywhere.
Feb 08 22:34:27 <Blastur> right?
Feb 08 22:34:54 <WanderingII> i tried to get rtorrent runnin on it but couldnt figure it out
Feb 08 22:35:41 <osas> Blastur, yup
Feb 08 22:35:49 <osas> WanderingII, read the wiki
Feb 08 22:35:55 <WanderingII> i have done
Feb 08 22:35:56 <osas> it works ok
Feb 08 22:36:20 <osas> but not the xmlrpc stuff
Feb 08 22:36:25 <osas> at least on slugos
Feb 08 22:36:34 <osas> never tried it on unslung
Feb 08 22:36:49 <osas> gotta go now ...
Feb 08 22:36:52 <osas> l8r
Feb 08 22:37:15 <WanderingII> is it possible to have somehting set up so you can view the internet throught it to bypasswork blockers
Feb 08 22:40:23 <gouki> Does anyone know the name of the forum software made by the wordpress guys?
Feb 08 22:41:16 <WanderingII> bbpress
Feb 08 22:41:40 <WanderingII> http://bbpress.org/
Feb 08 22:46:39 <gouki> Thank you! :D
Feb 08 22:46:44 <WanderingII> np
Feb 08 22:50:54 <WanderingII> where do i find the rtorrent.rc file?
Feb 08 22:54:08 <eno> WanderingII: optware rtorrent ipkg will install /opt/etc/rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 22:54:57 <eno> your customization goes to .rtorrent.rc in your home directory
Feb 08 22:55:15 <eno> on unslung, xmlrpc-c does not work
Feb 08 22:55:33 <WanderingII> ok
Feb 08 22:55:57 <eno> also you cannot put max_uploads or upload_rate in rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 22:56:03 <WanderingII> so i would do     cp /opt/etc/rtorrent.conf /public/torrentfiles  ?
Feb 08 22:56:21 <eno> echo $HOME
Feb 08 22:56:37 <eno> that will show your home directory
Feb 08 22:56:50 <WanderingII> ok
Feb 08 22:57:29 <eno> you only need to put configuration that's different from /opt/etc/rtorrent.conf in $HOME/.rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 22:57:39 <eno> mine only has two lines
Feb 08 22:58:06 <eno> port_range = 6890-6900
Feb 08 22:58:15 <eno> check_hash = no
Feb 08 22:59:00 <eno> google rtorrent guide to get familar with the text console interface
Feb 08 22:59:24 <eno> you'll need either screen or dtach to keep the rtorrent session running
Feb 08 23:00:02 <WanderingII> i have screen
Feb 08 23:00:55 <eno> transmission + clutch is another option, which provides web interface
Feb 08 23:02:17 <WanderingII> so i edit the rtorrent.rc file which is now sittin in my root directory, and then do i just start up rtorrent?
Feb 08 23:04:41 <eno>  ~root = /root, ~joe = /home/joe
Feb 08 23:05:12 <eno> if you run as root, i think you need to put .rtorrent.rc in /root
Feb 08 23:05:29 <eno> if you run as joe, you need to put .rtorrent.rc in /home/joe
Feb 08 23:05:54 <WanderingII> im in as root 
Feb 08 23:06:22 <eno> ideally you should have a separate user
Feb 08 23:07:41 <WanderingII> id be happy enough to just get it workin for now and then when i become more familiar i will set up user acounts
Feb 08 23:09:15 <eno> that's fine, edit /root/.rtorrent.rc then
Feb 08 23:10:26 <WanderingII> i did and ran rtorrent and get the same error message.
Feb 08 23:10:47 <eno> what is the error message?
Feb 08 23:11:12 <WanderingII> is the file supposed to be called .rtorrent.rc or rtorrent.rc ?
Feb 08 23:12:15 <eno> .rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 23:12:23 <WanderingII> how can i rename?
Feb 08 23:12:39 <eno> mv /root/rtorrent.rc /root/.rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 23:14:36 <WanderingII> see my file was initially .conf  so i copied it. edited it and saved. i then renamed to .rtorrent.conf -> didnt work so renmaed to .rtorrent.rc and didnt work either
Feb 08 23:15:01 <WanderingII> still get could not read resource file ~/.rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 23:16:34 <eno> ls -l ~/.rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 23:17:25 <WanderingII> no such file or directory
Feb 08 23:18:11 <WanderingII> if i rename the .rtorrent.conf file to .rtorrent.rc and run rtorrent all i get is a message saying illegal instruction
Feb 08 23:19:16 <eno> then at least it finds ~/.rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 23:19:33 <eno> rm ~/.rtorrent.rc; touch ~/.rtorrent.rc
Feb 08 23:20:14 <WanderingII> ok
Feb 08 23:22:02 <WanderingII> dont get the message now in rtorrent:)
Feb 08 23:22:12 <WanderingII> must see if i can get a torrent file and test it out
Feb 08 23:27:05 <WanderingII> if i saved a torrent file to the folider i set in the .rc file, how do i know if it had picked it up ?
Feb 08 23:28:03 <eno> it won't automatically pick up .torrent file without configuration
Feb 08 23:29:03 <eno> i suggest you manually add the torrent in rtorrent first
Feb 08 23:29:30 <WanderingII> the rtorrent file is gone from the root dir
Feb 08 23:34:39 <WanderingII> added one :0
Feb 08 23:34:44 <WanderingII> :)
Feb 08 23:38:12 <WanderingII> does the shel window need to remian open for the download to continue?
Feb 08 23:41:11 <eno> start rtorrent in a screen session, the session will outlast the shell window
Feb 08 23:41:44 <eno> ctrl-A, d to detach from the screen
Feb 08 23:42:31 <WanderingII> excuse my lack of knowledge, but can i not start this up so that it runs on the slug and i can shut down my computer over night?
Feb 08 23:43:04 <eno> that's what screen or dtach is for
Feb 08 23:43:23 <eno> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/KeepRemoteConsoleSessionRunning
Feb 08 23:43:24 <WanderingII> ok
Feb 08 23:45:42 <WanderingII> got it to detach
Feb 08 23:46:15 <eno> launch another shell, then try "screen -ls"
Feb 08 23:47:01 <WanderingII> there is a screen on slug (detached)  1 socket in ...
Feb 08 23:47:05 <eno> and "screen -R"
Feb 08 23:47:10 <eno> to re-attach
Feb 08 23:47:33 <WanderingII> ok
Feb 08 23:47:34 <eno> for detail, man screen
Feb 08 23:48:05 <WanderingII> bit crap here cause i cant really test it till after 12 or 1 cause my isp blocks torrents till this time.
Feb 08 23:48:59 <eno> what timezone are you in?
Feb 08 23:49:03 <WanderingII> gmt
Feb 08 23:51:55 <WanderingII> are there any download manager type apps?
Feb 08 23:52:38 <eno> rtorrent may have schedule function, although i'm not familiar with it
Feb 08 23:53:55 <WanderingII> i would just have a number of files which i would like the slug to download for me which require a username and password before the download begins.
Feb 09 00:05:40 <WanderingII> gettin error messages with rtorrent saying coulnd no create directory.
Feb 09 02:29:10 <kmt> trying to unslung.  need some help
Feb 09 02:54:05 <gouki> kmt: What do you need? The readme on the archive will give you all the information you need.
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