**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 04 10:59:57 2008
Mar 04 11:14:32 <ruxpin> I installed debian on my slug yesterday
Mar 04 11:14:44 <ruxpin> it went smoothly, although the menus are sometimes a bit slow :D
Mar 04 11:24:06 <ruxpin> it's funny how small you can stufff a full-fledged debian
Mar 04 11:24:22 <ruxpin> but you can see it in the performance! :D
Mar 04 13:08:22 <ruxpin> has anyone tried to run rails on their nslu? :)
Mar 04 13:18:52 <hld> morning
Mar 04 15:03:07 <hld> how do i setup a development env for compiling apex on debian?
Mar 04 15:07:22 <jelle> is the svn server available for openslug?
Mar 04 15:32:22 <hld> NSLU2:/home/andi# make
Mar 04 15:32:22 <hld> bash: make: command not found
Mar 04 15:32:40 <hld> hmmm, gcc is installed... are there packages that have to be there, too?!
Mar 04 15:39:00 <drif> hld: tried installing make..?
Mar 04 15:46:48 <hld> erm, how? sorry, i'm noob to this
Mar 04 15:47:10 <hld> ahhh
Mar 04 15:47:23 <hld> theres n extra package for that...
Mar 04 16:16:47 <hld> hmmm, how can i replace apex with a newer version in the debian installer for example?
Mar 04 17:02:14 <hld> re
Mar 04 17:02:43 <hld> has someone setup a env who would be so kind and compile an acutal apex (2nd stage) for me?
Mar 04 18:57:30 <AndyGraybeal> omg.... i got my nslu2 yestaerday!! i haven't had time to play with it!!
Mar 04 18:57:38 <AndyGraybeal> yay for me and stuff; im pretty excited
Mar 04 18:57:46 <hld> :)
Mar 04 18:58:40 <AndyGraybeal> what image should i put on it?
Mar 04 18:58:54 <AndyGraybeal> i haven't even looked at the differences between the images that are avaialble
Mar 04 18:59:05 <AndyGraybeal> can i do someting like 'yum' or 'apt' ?  
Mar 04 18:59:42 <PPmarcel> yes
Mar 04 18:59:50 <PPmarcel> are you good with linux?
Mar 04 19:00:14 <AndyGraybeal> not exactly i can fumble my way through most stuff
Mar 04 19:00:26 <PPmarcel> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix
Mar 04 19:00:40 <AndyGraybeal> i have asterisk working at home.. i was hoping i could get asterisk to work on this... i was also wondering can it handle USB hubs so i can hook more than 2 USB devices?
Mar 04 19:00:41 <PPmarcel> unslung is for begineers
Mar 04 19:00:56 <PPmarcel> we"ll, asterisk you can see SlugOS
Mar 04 19:00:59 <PPmarcel> or debian
Mar 04 19:01:04 <PPmarcel> yes, debian works on it too
Mar 04 19:01:10 <AndyGraybeal> awesome thank you for the help
Mar 04 19:01:17 <PPmarcel> you want some links?
Mar 04 19:01:30 <AndyGraybeal> not yet.. i'll read later when i get home
Mar 04 19:01:36 <PPmarcel> ok
Mar 04 19:01:40 <AndyGraybeal> i'm at work right now and i'd rather be playing with it!
Mar 04 19:01:48 <PPmarcel> anyway, matrix firmware comparason is enough
Mar 04 19:01:49 <AndyGraybeal> i'm excited though!
Mar 04 19:01:55 <AndyGraybeal> cool; thank you
Mar 04 19:02:00 <PPmarcel> ok, have fun :)
Mar 04 19:02:08 <PPmarcel> ask again for the link if you want
Mar 04 19:02:13 <AndyGraybeal> okay thanks
Mar 04 19:02:49 <AndyGraybeal> i hope i can have it run asterisk and store my media so my girlfriend and i can listen to mp3's off of it
Mar 04 19:03:06 <AndyGraybeal> maybe... have it do our voicemail, but i'm not sure
Mar 04 19:03:36 <AndyGraybeal> do yuo know if anyone is running asterisk w/voicemail on it?
Mar 04 19:04:00 <PPmarcel> yes of course
Mar 04 19:04:07 <PPmarcel> with debian you have debian's packages
Mar 04 19:04:11 <PPmarcel> :)$
Mar 04 19:04:22 <AndyGraybeal> rock on
Mar 04 19:04:34 <PPmarcel> and slogOS has got a lot of packages too
Mar 04 19:04:45 <PPmarcel> all depend about what you want
Mar 04 19:05:33 <PPmarcel> maybe you can even find some tutorials of your language
Mar 04 19:07:42 <AndyGraybeal> how do you explain these things to girlfriends???
Mar 04 19:07:56 <PPmarcel> with patience :)
Mar 04 19:08:01 <AndyGraybeal> i feel like a linksys consumer products fanboy
Mar 04 19:08:06 <AndyGraybeal> i also own the spa3102!
Mar 04 19:08:25 <PPmarcel> well, you only can use console or webmin softwares
Mar 04 19:08:27 <AndyGraybeal> she laughs at me
Mar 04 19:08:28 <PPmarcel> no more
Mar 04 19:08:48 <AndyGraybeal> ah that's fine i don't want to run xwindows
Mar 04 19:09:10 <AndyGraybeal> as long as i can use screen and a packagemanager
Mar 04 19:09:30 <PPmarcel> it's ok so
Mar 04 19:09:45 <PPmarcel> asterisk runs, taht's sure
Mar 04 19:09:55 <AndyGraybeal> :
Mar 04 19:09:57 <AndyGraybeal> :)
Mar 04 19:10:06 <PPmarcel> and you can use usv hubs, yes
Mar 04 19:10:10 <AndyGraybeal> what do you use yours for?
Mar 04 19:10:12 <PPmarcel> on port 1
Mar 04 19:10:23 <AndyGraybeal> aah good; usb hubs on port 1
Mar 04 19:10:37 <PPmarcel> for irssi, rtorrent, pure-ftpd, and sometimes a webserver
Mar 04 19:10:47 <AndyGraybeal> nice
Mar 04 19:11:08 <PPmarcel> i can give you more ideas
Mar 04 19:11:37 <PPmarcel> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/WhatPeopleAreReallyUsingTheirSlugsFor
Mar 04 19:11:45 <AndyGraybeal> awesome
Mar 04 19:13:11 <^aristotle> what do I need to do so typing `halt` on from the slug's shell will power it down upon completed shutdown?
Mar 04 19:13:22 <PPmarcel> yes
Mar 04 19:13:36 <PPmarcel> and you NEED screen :)
Mar 04 19:13:43 <PPmarcel> or d-tach
Mar 04 19:13:47 <PPmarcel> or else :)
Mar 04 19:14:00 <PPmarcel> if you want keep your sessions
Mar 04 19:14:14 <AndyGraybeal> <3 screen
Mar 04 19:14:19 <AndyGraybeal> never heard of d-tach
Mar 04 19:14:45 <PPmarcel> it's an another one
Mar 04 19:14:50 <AndyGraybeal> cool
Mar 04 19:14:56 <PPmarcel> i don't know what is the best, but screen is enough for me
Mar 04 19:15:09 <^aristotle> dtach does less than screen
Mar 04 19:15:18 <PPmarcel> your nslu2 can be usb powered too
Mar 04 19:15:21 <^aristotle> (which is a feature)
Mar 04 19:15:23 <PPmarcel> i don't know
Mar 04 19:15:29 <PPmarcel> ah ok
Mar 04 19:15:49 <^aristotle> USB powered?
Mar 04 19:17:43 <^aristotle> I've got a regular nslu2. I've put openwrt on it. pressing the power button does not do anything at all (it would be great if that could be fixed, but not necessary), and typing `halt` shuts linux down but doesn't power off the machine (this I consider necessary to fix)
Mar 04 19:18:31 <^aristotle> on a PC the kernel modules for APM/ACPI need to be loaded for `halt` to power off the machine after shutdown
Mar 04 19:18:52 <^aristotle> but what corresponds to them on the nslu2 hardware?
Mar 04 19:24:31 <PPmarcel> ^aristotle: yes, your hard disk can power your nslu2 if you want
Mar 04 19:24:54 <PPmarcel> ^aristotle: have you tryed "shutdown -h now"?
Mar 04 19:25:23 <PPmarcel> if it is a openwrt problem, then ask on #openwrt
Mar 04 19:25:53 <PPmarcel> personnally, i can power off entierely my nslu2
Mar 04 19:37:15 <^aristotle> got it, I have to explicitly use `poweroff`, not `halt`
Mar 04 20:34:39 <otom> PPmarcel: you here?
Mar 04 20:51:49 <otom> PPmarcel
Mar 04 22:17:53 <janne-5011> hey what command is it to unzip a file?
Mar 04 22:18:10 <mwester> unzip
Mar 04 22:18:35 <janne-5011> unzip: Invlaide zip magic
Mar 04 22:18:46 <mwester> Then it's not a zip file?
Mar 04 22:19:02 <janne-5011> is a .zip file
Mar 04 22:19:12 <janne-5011> *its a
Mar 04 22:19:21 <hld> hm mike, are you familiar with apex?
Mar 04 22:20:13 <alezzandro> hi all
Mar 04 22:23:21 <Reedy_Boy> just because something has a certain extension, doesnt mean it is...
Mar 04 22:26:36 <janne-5011> i tried same file with winrar and it worked.well I copy in thoose file instead.
Mar 04 22:26:52 <janne-5011> all is done the hard way=)
Mar 04 22:28:17 <alezzandro> janne-5011: file filename.zip
Mar 04 22:28:24 <alezzandro> it tells you which file is
Mar 04 22:28:26 <alezzandro> :)
Mar 04 22:29:17 <janne-5011> ok thanks alezzandro good to know next time
Mar 04 22:32:37 <hld> hrmpf
Mar 05 00:12:33 <mwester> re
Mar 05 00:12:52 <mwester> hld: was that addressed to me?
Mar 05 00:12:59 <mwester> (apex?)
Mar 05 00:17:39 <hld> yeah... i solved it and the system boots the kernel now. but the ramdisk doesn't get recognized...
Mar 05 00:17:54 <hld> what i need is a simple debian-installer image with a nice actual apex in it :)
Mar 05 00:18:25 <hld> thought that you maybe know a source where i can find infos bout that stuff
Mar 05 00:18:29 <mwester> ah, ok then.  Can't help you with the debian image, though.
Mar 05 00:18:45 <mwester> I'd check with the nice folks over on the debian arm channel
Mar 05 00:19:08 <mwester> But they're not on freenode, and i don't recall what server they use :(
Mar 05 00:19:33 <hld> good idea... nother question if okay: is there a way to use the debian rep on slugos/le ? getting confused more and more
Mar 05 00:20:02 <Reedy_Boy> irc.debian.org ?
Mar 05 00:21:43 <mwester> No, the debian arm stuff is compiled with different options (floating point,specifically) that make the executables incompatible with SlugOS.  SlugOS uses softfloat because it *knows* there's no FPU; debian uses floating point and relies on the kernel to trap.
Mar 05 00:22:39 <mwester> This is also what SlugOS is faster for floating point than Debian on the NSLU2, although both are slow since they're both done in software.  Just a bit of trivia...
Mar 05 00:22:50 <mwester> s/what/why/
Mar 05 00:23:00 <hld> heh, okay, thanks
Mar 05 00:37:10 <hld> http://pastebin.com/d60dbc59b
Mar 05 00:37:25 <hld> solved the most problems... maybe someone knows my failure on this one?
Mar 05 01:41:35 <hld> hmmm, is it possible to upgrade apex via debian? i mean a package or something that does that for me?
Mar 05 01:55:43 <chrisb> that's cool information about the workaround for lack of FPU
Mar 05 01:56:05 <hld> heh
Mar 05 02:11:06 <hld> ahhh no no netsplit
Mar 05 02:11:41 <hld> hrm, zum ausderhautfahren
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