**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 13 02:59:57 2008 Apr 13 05:45:58 Hello Apr 13 12:22:41 hi, has anyone in here ever used cryptobox for his/her nslu2? Apr 13 15:56:00 hi osas Apr 13 16:31:11 anyone here? Apr 13 16:32:03 i need some help with udev and SlugOS/BE Apr 13 17:05:51 Anyone here try to compile truecrypt since they introduced the GUI feature on the linux version? Apr 13 17:07:12 Kvaks2: just wondering have you compiled it before? Apr 13 17:07:38 Nope. Apr 13 17:07:56 No, I have. But not for NSLU2 Apr 13 17:08:13 Ah, I see there's a NOGUI option when building. Apr 13 17:12:49 what distro for the NSLU2 are you using? Apr 13 17:13:05 Kvaks2: btw, I'm a newb, not an expert Apr 13 17:13:12 Debian. Apr 13 17:16:26 cool, i've been thinking of moving to debian, i use slugos/be Apr 13 17:18:15 I used to run Unslung. It was such a relief when I changed to Debian. Apr 13 17:21:32 Kvaks2: my problem is SlugOS/BE packages aren't maintained Apr 13 17:22:13 scant: That's a rather accusatory statement, and far from the truth. Apr 13 17:24:40 You have been struggling with that "house of horrors" known as apcupsd, but that's a problem with a bad autoconf/make system upstream, not with OE nor with SlugOS maintenance. Apr 13 17:25:20 mwester: the ones I use aren't maintained Apr 13 17:26:33 Really? Which are those, and have you send an email outlining the issues to the nslu2-linux mailing list? Apr 13 17:27:13 mwester: i don't really use the mailing list much, i like talking on here Apr 13 17:28:16 mwester: for example, sane-backends-1.0.18 has a bb file and is in the feed, but doesn't work on SlugOS/BE Apr 13 17:28:26 sane-backends is now at 1.0.19 Apr 13 17:28:27 Try the mailing list; this is not the place for posting requests that packages be upgraded. Apr 13 17:28:58 mwester: i'm not posting requests, just expressing experiences and observations Apr 13 17:30:07 You claim that it is unmaintained, but you have not requested any upgrades nor mentioned that sane-backends-1.0.18 is broken on the appropriate medium for that feedback. Apr 13 17:30:50 Just FYI, it is the job of the users of packages to test them, the devs do not have hardware nor time available to test each upstream version. Without feedback to the mailing list, we assume that it works. Apr 13 17:30:52 i'm still making that claim because it's true, yes i admit i haven't requested upgrades via the appropraite medium Apr 13 17:31:02 How do you make that claim then? Apr 13 17:32:37 i don't think it's the case feedback is required for maintaining the packages Apr 13 17:33:07 i don't use mailing lists, i don't even know the proper mailing list to send bugs to Apr 13 17:35:49 scant: I've explained the policy -- none of us are paid to do this; we do not have time to test each upstream release, nor do we have time to download and upgrade each package whenever there is a patch or upgrade upstream. We do that based on user feedback and requests. So if you don't provide feedback on broken packages, or on your desire/need for upstream fixes or upgrades, then you have no right to make such a claim. Apr 13 17:36:22 scant, i thought we solved (worked around) the acpups build problem Apr 13 17:36:43 In any case, the mailing lists are noted on the wiki - make your requests there, and I expect someone on the SlugOS or OE dev team will address it when they can. Apr 13 17:37:07 the best way to address the maintainability problem is to step up and help Apr 13 17:38:02 hey Apr 13 17:38:11 i've been building these packages myself Apr 13 17:38:21 with help from people in the various channels Apr 13 17:38:29 i've never asked for a package to be upgraded via irc Apr 13 17:38:43 and if you contribute your changes back, that would help more people Apr 13 17:38:50 i'm just saying flac, mpd, and sane are out of date and have been for a while Apr 13 17:38:53 sane doesn't even build Apr 13 17:39:13 now i'm on getting raop-play to work which doesn't even have a bb file Apr 13 17:40:04 but at the same time i think moving to debian is the best choice for me and probably many other users, because current packages are available Apr 13 17:41:08 and lastly, yes i've been asking about apcupsd for months in here, still am at the same place, it's not linking, and all i have to say about that is i'm surprised not one other devleoper out there for slugos isn't using apcupsd Apr 13 17:42:49 the problem with IRC is that most of the time it requires ppl to be in the channel at the same time Apr 13 17:43:25 you'll be better off sending email to nslu2-linux mailing list, or OE mailing list Apr 13 17:44:33 i don't think anyone is going to be able to help me with apcupsd Apr 13 17:44:33 or maybe it's better for you to move to debian Apr 13 17:45:16 the reason i say that is because if you, RP, Crofton, mwester, or rwhitby isn't able or willing to help, i doubt anyone else will want to or can Apr 13 17:45:18 optware apcupsd builds fine, you can also look at optware cpcupsd.mk Apr 13 17:45:35 eno: isn't optware and openembeeded totally different? Apr 13 17:45:50 they're all cross compilation Apr 13 17:46:13 they're using the same upstream source Apr 13 17:46:15 i've tried to figure out why apcupsd.mk works and apcupsd.bb doesn't, and i can't... Apr 13 17:47:38 you should try to gather as much info as possible and post to the mailing list Apr 13 17:47:53 build.log ... Apr 13 17:47:55 eno: the nslu2-linux mailing list is for custom firmware, not bugs with openembeeded packages on slugos/be Apr 13 17:48:32 i don't think nslu2-linux ML is *just* for custom firmware Apr 13 17:48:56 packaging issues are welcome on the ML Apr 13 17:51:11 i don't think you are mwester are being fair with me Apr 13 17:51:35 what use is irc if i can't get help here Apr 13 17:52:11 why do you think it's the case with my apcupsd issue that someone on the mailing list will help when no one irc has been able to Apr 13 17:52:51 ? Thats a silly question ;-) Apr 13 17:53:34 scant: This is not arbitrary. Different mediums have different purposes. Do you submit your tax forms by mail? Or do you submit your tax forms by telephone? Apr 13 17:54:16 what's the purpose for the irc medium? Apr 13 17:54:50 Interactive troubleshooting of a problem, iff the parties all have time at that moment to do so, for example. Apr 13 17:55:04 Just as many on OE have assisted with the apcupsd problem. Apr 13 17:55:34 Once something on IRC scrolls off the screen, it's lost. Apr 13 17:55:38 Unlike email. Apr 13 17:55:56 ok, ok, it's not worth it anymore Apr 13 17:56:18 if it hasn't been fixed yet i doubt any one will, but i'll do as you suggest Apr 13 17:57:16 and it's like i'm trying to contribute but sometimes you are really difficult Apr 13 17:57:57 you mean submitting my problem to this mailing list: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/ Apr 13 17:58:00 Sorry you feel that way. This is a hobby, I'm afraid -- there aren't many folks who are manning a help-desk here. Apr 13 17:58:09 Yep that list will do fine. Apr 13 17:58:37 mwester: no you're being really difficult because it's almost as if you're saying i refuse to help unless you do it this way Apr 13 17:59:11 mwester: you're being really difficult because i said packages are unmaintained and you're saying, did you notify us of the problem through the correct communication medium Apr 13 17:59:33 scant: I don't have time right now to work on any issues. It will take me a lot of time away from my current task to interact on IRC to get the information necessary, so that I can write it down, and work on it later. Apr 13 18:00:13 Email is far more efficient, especially when there is a large volume of info, such as a bb file or logs involved. Apr 13 18:00:23 so what do i say, flac is out of date, please upgrade it? Apr 13 18:00:43 No, that's rather too vague, don't you think? Apr 13 18:01:13 flac for SlugOS/BE is out of date, please upgrade it? Apr 13 18:01:35 Perhaps you can mention what version is currently in the feeds, what version you wish to have it upgraded to, and if you think there are "selling" points for why this should be higher priority than other package upgrades for the devs, then add that information too. Apr 13 18:02:10 whatever, i'll just use my own upgraded bb file Apr 13 18:02:23 sheesh Apr 13 18:02:37 selling points, you're joking right? Apr 13 18:03:14 Yes. If a package is broken, or significant new features have been added, don't you think that package upgrade should go to the head of the list? Apr 13 18:03:20 why should i mention the version that's currently in the feeds, um isn't that obvious information Apr 13 18:03:25 Not to me. Apr 13 18:03:48 You know what it is, I would have to go check the feeds. Something I can't do if I'm not online at the moment. Apr 13 18:03:58 the current version seems to be unnecessary information Apr 13 18:04:10 *shrug* Apr 13 18:05:07 scant: do it any way you wish, really. I'm trying to help you maximize the speed with which your requests get handled. Apr 13 18:05:32 so, i can't state SlugOS/BE packages aren't maintained, but i have to notify the mailing list with selling points, to me, it sounds like you're just being difficult with me Apr 13 18:06:03 If you think that we have some obligation to track upstream, keep the feeds upgraded in lock-step, and test all packages, then you are sadly mistaken. We don't get paid to do this; there isn't time. Apr 13 18:06:58 so then, the packages aren't maintained Apr 13 18:07:22 Are you volunteering to pay to have them "maintained" per your standards, then? Apr 13 18:07:31 I'll give you may paypal address. Apr 13 18:07:56 see, now that you've just admitted they aren't maintained, you're going on what the definition of being maintained it Apr 13 18:07:58 is Apr 13 18:08:39 No, I said no such thing. I said "per your standards", I did not indicate that I agree with your perception in any way. Apr 13 18:08:59 But this conversation has gotten plain silly. I have other things to do; I'll look for emails on the mailing list. Apr 13 18:09:52 i also guess that if you wanted to have NSLU2 or SlugOS/BE be the best it could be with reason, then someone coming in to irc making note of some issues should be good enough Apr 13 18:12:52 scant, you should understand that without the work of slugos, there would not be debian on slug Apr 13 18:13:18 eno: it doesn't matter Apr 13 18:13:22 mwester has been spent lots of his time on slug firmwares Apr 13 18:13:26 eno: i'll probably move to debian Apr 13 18:13:50 each developer has limited time Apr 13 18:13:58 eno: i'm just saying, i've notified many people of the things i've noticed with mpd, flac, sane, and apcupsd Apr 13 18:14:25 for example, i already have my hands full with optware Apr 13 18:14:27 and if your response is, write the mailing list, that's sort of not nice Apr 13 18:14:53 you guys know there is an issue with sane-backends-1.0.18 cause i've just said it Apr 13 18:15:01 i'm being honest with you, i'd like to help, but i'm not that familar with oe/bb Apr 13 18:15:07 but if you choose to do nothing until i e-mail the mailing list, that's kind of SILLY Apr 13 18:15:44 and what is your expectation, we all drop what we've been doing and work on sane-backends ? Apr 13 18:16:12 please, be reasonable Apr 13 18:16:19 eno: no, but if there is a bug database of SlugOS/BE openembedded packages that are in the feed but don't compile, i would figure that would be flagged Apr 13 18:17:57 eno: remember this whole conversation started when i said SluOS/BE packages aren't maintained Apr 13 18:17:58 i think OE has a bugzilla Apr 13 18:19:20 it does, osas told me to use it to submited bb files Apr 13 18:19:48 if a package does not compile, how come it gets into the feed? Apr 13 18:20:04 eno: i don't know how sane-backends-1.0.18 got in the feed Apr 13 18:24:32 i give up on apcupsd, i'll just use the optware one Apr 13 18:32:24 * eno thinks optware and bb, if you can do with one, you should be able to do with the other Apr 13 18:33:06 maybe, but not i Apr 13 21:18:49 I am using rTorrent on the NSLU2 as a root user but I would like rTorrent to write the files so it can be read by any user. Is it possible? Apr 13 21:28:40 help: brand new slug, can't switch it to dhcp with the web interface Apr 13 21:38:58 google tells me its dhcp client is incompatible Apr 13 22:19:00 Is the DHCP option unavailable in the web interface? Apr 13 22:26:12 it's available, and it's selected Apr 13 22:26:21 but it still boots up to 192.168.1.77 Apr 13 22:29:21 i'm thinking i'll flash it to openslug first Apr 13 22:31:39 i'm thinking i'll flash it to openslug first~. Apr 13 22:32:14 (oops) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 14 02:59:57 2008