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Jun 27 08:32:38 <Tobbe> eno: It Segfaulted again...
Jun 27 17:02:39 <scant> can anyone tell me if the 2 extra USB port mod results in higher throughput with 3 USB drives than when using a hub?
Jun 27 21:05:00 <Unstable_> Hey all, I need a little help setting up debian on my new SLUG if anyone has experience?
Jun 27 21:05:50 <Reedy> Sure, whats up
Jun 27 21:05:50 <Reedy> ?
Jun 27 21:06:07 <Unstable_> ok, I'm trying to install onto a USB flash drive.
Jun 27 21:06:12 <Reedy> yeah
Jun 27 21:06:16 <Unstable_> But the firmware doesnt recognise the device.
Jun 27 21:06:28 <Unstable_> infact it wont recognise any USB mass storage device.
Jun 27 21:06:42 <Unstable_> hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found 
Jun 27 21:06:42 <Unstable_> hub 3-0:1.0: 5 ports detected
Jun 27 21:06:42 <Unstable_> usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
Jun 27 21:06:42 <Unstable_> usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Jun 27 21:06:43 <Reedy> Thats quite an easy one
Jun 27 21:06:44 <Unstable_> NPE-B: firmware functionality 0x0, revision 0x2:1
Jun 27 21:06:57 <Unstable_> I can't find anything on good old google :)
Jun 27 21:06:59 <Reedy> Did you select the module to be loaded on teh first step?
Jun 27 21:07:17 <Unstable_> I've tried modprobing various modules.
Jun 27 21:07:18 <Reedy> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html
Jun 27 21:07:30 <Reedy> "In order for the installation to succeed, you need to select the following modules: 
Jun 27 21:07:30 <Reedy> partman-auto: Automatically partition storage devices (partman) 
Jun 27 21:07:30 <Reedy> partman-ext3: Add to partman support for ext3 
Jun 27 21:07:30 <Reedy> usb-storage-modules-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx-di: USB storage support "
Jun 27 21:07:59 <Reedy> If it isnt showing usb stuff, you're missing the last one i bet
Jun 27 21:08:34 <Unstable_> ok, one sec. Didnt see that screen
Jun 27 21:08:50 <Reedy> Should've been just after you logged in
Jun 27 21:09:12 <Unstable_> God i'm stupid lol
Jun 27 21:09:15 <Reedy> :)
Jun 27 21:09:15 <Unstable_> it scrolls down LOL
Jun 27 21:09:19 <Reedy> Yeah
Jun 27 21:09:39 <Reedy> I did the exact same when i first did it, then realising when no drive was there ;)
Jun 27 21:09:48 <Unstable_> ok, general linux q, what FS would you recommend for a flash drive?
Jun 27 21:09:59 <Unstable_> I've just spent the best part of 3 hours looking for that
Jun 27 21:10:03 <Reedy> ext3
Jun 27 21:10:06 <Unstable_> ended up in the shell trying to load it all lol
Jun 27 21:10:15 <Reedy> :)
Jun 27 21:10:19 <Unstable_> but i guess it downloads the modules, there not in the firmware...
Jun 27 21:10:23 <Reedy> yeah
Jun 27 21:10:31 <Reedy> the image is what, 8mb? so thats enough to get it loaded
Jun 27 21:10:39 <Reedy> it then goes through, and downloads the other stuff it needs
Jun 27 21:11:35 <Unstable_> Thanks alot for help, and not a RTFM :P
Jun 27 21:11:40 <Unstable_> Although i deserved it
Jun 27 21:12:10 <Reedy> lol
Jun 27 21:12:17 <Reedy> 99/100 it is in the manual
Jun 27 21:13:08 <Unstable_> yeah, i just missed it.  Too excited from getting the slug  and wanting it all up and going NOW ;)
Jun 27 21:13:12 <Unstable_> Sure you know how it is
Jun 27 21:14:43 <Unstable_> Ah, thats much better :P
Jun 27 21:16:05 <Reedy> Worst you usually get from these guys is to look in the wiki if they know its there and it all works
Jun 27 21:16:41 <Unstable_> Whats the situation with powering an external HDD from the SLUG? Use a hub?
Jun 27 21:17:27 <Reedy> depends on what drive it is and such
Jun 27 21:17:40 <Unstable_> 2.5" laptop drive in external housing
Jun 27 21:17:45 <Unstable_> No PSU to it
Jun 27 21:17:54 <Reedy> whats hte drive power usage say it is
Jun 27 21:17:58 <Reedy> if its < 500mA you're fine
Jun 27 21:21:37 <Unstable_> I dont think is it :(
Jun 27 21:22:37 <Reedy> a pc could struggle with it then...
Jun 27 21:22:49 <Unstable_> Whats the difference between the debian 5.0 ARM and ARMEL firmwares?
Jun 27 21:23:25 <Unstable_> It works on my laptop, desktop etc. But not on the NSLU2
Jun 27 21:23:51 <Reedy> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-9081.html
Jun 27 21:24:04 <Reedy> "Generally speaking, "armel" is a clarification of "arm" that reflects the endianness of the architecture. Technically, arm processors can be either little-endian ("armel") or big-endian ("armeb"). Nokia's arm processors are little-endian (similar to x86-based architectures)"
Jun 27 21:24:08 <Reedy> "That's not quite true, 'armel' and 'arm' are two different ABI for ARM (most of the differences are related to floating point): http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort"
Jun 27 21:24:20 <Reedy> Unstable_, you could get a powered usb to run it off then
Jun 27 21:25:04 <Unstable_> sounds good. Cheers
Jun 27 21:25:05 <Reedy> I got a 4 port d-link with power cable for a decent price
Jun 27 21:25:14 <Unstable_> Where you located?
Jun 27 21:26:06 <Reedy> http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=1092&category_id=139&manufacturer_id=0&tid=dub-h4
Jun 27 21:26:10 <Reedy> £16.23
Jun 27 21:26:12 <Reedy> thats wht i have
Jun 27 21:26:28 <Reedy> Im near York, UK
Jun 27 21:27:01 <Unstable_> Ah ok.
Jun 27 21:27:14 <Unstable_> Cheltenham here.
Jun 27 21:33:56 <Reedy> installer working alright now? ;P
Jun 27 21:34:20 <Unstable_> yeah, just reflashed with 4.0
Jun 27 21:34:35 <Unstable_> I tried all the betas thinking that was the problem (Yes, i feel stupid)
Jun 27 21:35:27 <Reedy> heh
Jun 27 21:36:03 <Unstable_> So whats the performance like on these things?
Jun 27 21:36:08 <Reedy> People have asked stupier question
Jun 27 21:36:25 <Unstable_> I'm looking to set up a Mail server, Asterisk server and NFS client for backing up to another server.
Jun 27 21:36:33 <Reedy> As long as you dont want full Apache MySQL and php to work lightening fast, with minimal effort, you'll be fine
Jun 27 21:38:05 <Unstable_> I currently have a beast of a server running all my stuff, but it uses a constant 185w of power.
Jun 27 21:38:48 <Reedy> lol
Jun 27 21:38:50 <Reedy> what is it?
Jun 27 22:54:24 <pedro> hi all
Jun 27 22:55:13 <pedro> i just have a quick question about nslu2 that I didn't see in the FAQ
Jun 27 22:55:33 <pedro> how is the stability of these devices when running a stable firmware?
Jun 27 22:55:49 <pedro> firmware/linux
Jun 27 22:56:54 <pedro> i want to use an nslu2 to allow remote serial console access to a box
Jun 27 22:57:12 <pedro> but to do that it needs to be able to stay up for weeks or months at a time
Jun 27 22:57:29 <pedro> i haven't seen much about whether they tend to be flaky
Jun 27 22:58:07 <pedro> i've seen some people mention issues with using the nslu2 as a NAS with dlink hardware, etc., again, I would assume this is a problem with firmware and not an actual hardware problem, but I just don't know
Jun 27 22:58:21 <Kvaks> pedro: Mine's never had stability problems, running Debian.
Jun 27 22:58:22 <pedro> i'd hate to buy one if it turns out they're good toys but just not very stable in general
Jun 27 22:58:32 <Kvaks> It's been running for months.
Jun 27 22:58:34 <pedro> Kvaks: thanks, that's good to know... i'd probably run debian
Jun 27 22:58:46 <pedro> i also didn't see anything listed about different revisions, etc.
Jun 27 22:58:57 <pedro> so I assume that any nslu2 is as good as the next one?
Jun 27 22:59:12 <Kvaks> Later ones have double CPU speed.
Jun 27 22:59:19 <pedro> ooh
Jun 27 22:59:31 <Kvaks> It's in the FAQ though.
Jun 27 22:59:43 <Kvaks> Early ones were underclocked.
Jun 27 22:59:54 <pedro> ahhh yes, i do see that
Jun 27 23:00:13 <pedro> but not like, the v7 and later don't work at all (or something like that)
Jun 27 23:00:25 <Kvaks> Nope.
Jun 27 23:00:32 <pedro> i've seen that kind of restriction on some of the netgear linux WGR614s
Jun 27 23:00:48 <pedro> man, it seems like such a perfect little platform to play around with
Jun 27 23:01:05 <pedro> i started looking online recently and I was shocked at how expensive a lot of the little SBC machines are
Jun 27 23:01:06 <Kvaks> Yeah, it's a nice one.
Jun 27 23:01:09 <Kvaks> I'm off to bed.
Jun 27 23:01:10 <Kvaks> Night.
Jun 27 23:01:11 <pedro> ok
Jun 27 23:01:13 <pedro> thanks a lot
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