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Jul 15 10:03:27 <tray> plz help
Jul 15 10:03:31 <tray> ;-(
Jul 15 10:04:00 <tray> I f..... up my debian distro somehow on the NSLU2
Jul 15 10:04:34 <rio> during a hardcore session?
Jul 15 10:04:42 <tray> ;-)
Jul 15 10:04:53 <tray> dunno when it happened really
Jul 15 10:05:01 <tray> now I cannot install packages on it
Jul 15 10:05:06 <tray> apt-get returns an error
Jul 15 10:05:12 <rio> describe the problem a little bit more precise if possible
Jul 15 10:05:14 <tray> and I have no clue how to resolve the prob
Jul 15 10:05:25 <tray> oki
Jul 15 10:05:31 <rio> try apt-get install -f
Jul 15 10:05:37 <tray> I try sudo apt-get -f install
Jul 15 10:05:56 <tray> and get
Jul 15 10:06:43 <tray> Sætter libapache2-mod-php5 (5.2.0-8+etch11) op... /usr/bin/ucf: line 330: getopt: command not found
Jul 15 10:07:14 <tray> and I have newest version of util-linux
Jul 15 10:07:24 <tray> but no /usr/bin/ucf
Jul 15 10:08:36 <tray> correction: I have /usr/bin/ucf
Jul 15 10:08:44 <tray> but it returns the error
Jul 15 10:09:57 <rio> tray: do you have /usr/bin/getopt?
Jul 15 10:10:32 <tray> jep
Jul 15 10:11:17 <rio> can you run it with $ getopt?
Jul 15 10:11:55 <tray> rhhh
Jul 15 10:11:58 <tray> how?
Jul 15 10:12:05 <tray> ./usr/bin/getopt
Jul 15 10:12:12 <rio> no, without the path
Jul 15 10:12:27 <tray> no wait
Jul 15 10:12:29 <rio> just type getopt and press return ;)
Jul 15 10:12:37 <tray> I do not have getopt, I have getopts
Jul 15 10:12:52 <rio> okay
Jul 15 10:13:05 <rio> are you sure you have util-linux installed?
Jul 15 10:13:59 <tray> apt-get install util-linux
Jul 15 10:14:01 <tray> returns
Jul 15 10:14:15 <tray> Følgende pakker har uopfyldte afhængigheder:   util-linux: Afhængigheder: tzdata (>= 2006c-2) men den bliver ikke installeret
Jul 15 10:14:23 <tray> which means
Jul 15 10:14:26 <rio> export LANG=C please...
Jul 15 10:14:35 <tray> ;-)
Jul 15 10:15:16 <tray> The following packages have unmet dependencies:   util-linux: Depends: tzdata (>= 2006c-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages 
Jul 15 10:15:35 <tray> I have tried to apt-get install tzdata
Jul 15 10:15:41 <tray> but then it freaks out
Jul 15 10:15:49 <rio> do you have aptitude installed?
Jul 15 10:16:02 <tray> saying I should only do that if I REALLY know what I am doing
Jul 15 10:16:18 <tray> jes
Jul 15 10:16:58 <tray> and I don't ;-)
Jul 15 10:17:16 <rio> hm, paste the whole output of apt-get install tzdata
Jul 15 10:17:17 <tray> aptitude is running
Jul 15 10:17:47 <tray> quit aptitude?
Jul 15 10:17:59 <rio> yes
Jul 15 10:18:19 <tray> 2 sec
Jul 15 10:19:14 <rio> pah, that was more than 2 sec!
Jul 15 10:19:25 <rio> omg..
Jul 15 10:19:39 <rio> http://rafb.net/paste
Jul 15 10:19:42 <tray> ups
Jul 15 10:19:47 <rio> tray: ^--
Jul 15 10:19:47 <tray> I have to eat
Jul 15 10:19:51 <tray> I will be back in a moment
Jul 15 10:19:58 <tray> thx
Jul 15 10:19:59 <rio> then i have to take a shower
Jul 15 10:20:07 <tray> nice
Jul 15 10:20:11 <rio> ;) cu
Jul 15 10:48:24 <tray> oki
Jul 15 10:48:31 <tray> Im back
Jul 15 10:53:06 <tray> now I have no go agian thoug
Jul 15 10:53:15 <tray> be back in 30 min
Jul 15 11:51:03 <tray> jjd
Jul 15 11:52:00 <tray> rio: are you back?
Jul 15 11:52:06 <rio> yes i am
Jul 15 11:52:33 <tray> nice
Jul 15 11:52:36 <tray> me2
Jul 15 11:52:53 <tray> so you have any idea what to do about tzdata?
Jul 15 11:53:06 <tray> it seems it is rather extensive to reinstall it
Jul 15 11:53:30 <rio> could you please paste the output of the command that asks you if youre REALLY sure? :)
Jul 15 11:54:26 <tray> After unpacking 510MB disk space will be freed. You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'  ?] n 
Jul 15 11:54:46 <tray> this is after I use apt-get install tzdata
Jul 15 11:56:21 <rio> why is the install of tzdata freeing diskspace? can you paste the whole output at http://rafb.net/paste please?
Jul 15 11:58:40 <tray> http://rafb.net/p/oC1fxe46.html
Jul 15 11:59:20 <tray> it seems like something I should not do
Jul 15 12:00:32 <rio> what does apt-get install --reinstall tzdata do?
Jul 15 12:03:03 <tray> same
Jul 15 12:04:24 <rio> hm, try running aptitude and press G
Jul 15 12:05:07 <tray> aptitude is initialising
Jul 15 12:05:13 <tray> what do you use your slug for?
Jul 15 12:05:24 <tray> oor slugs maybe?
Jul 15 12:06:30 <rio> running rtorrent ;)
Jul 15 12:07:07 <tray> No packages will be installed, removed or upgraded.  Some packages could be  x xupgraded, but you have not chosen to upgrade them.  Type "U" to prepare an   x xupgrade.  
Jul 15 12:07:08 <tray> me2
Jul 15 12:07:13 <tray> ;-)
Jul 15 12:07:16 <tray> it is brillinat
Jul 15 12:07:49 <rio> hm
Jul 15 12:07:57 <tray> rtorrent
Jul 15 12:08:09 <rio> yes it is ;)
Jul 15 12:08:22 <rio> i don't know how to fix your problem
Jul 15 12:08:42 <tray> I have tried u now
Jul 15 12:08:45 <tray> in aptitude
Jul 15 12:08:49 <rio> okay
Jul 15 14:36:20 <ln-> if i have Debian Etch installed, and would like to upgrade to armel version of Lenny, should I do that by flashing a new installer with upsplug2?
Jul 15 14:36:41 <ln-> (as instructed at http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html )
Jul 15 14:36:52 <ln-> *upslug2
Jul 15 14:37:38 <ln-> or is there a nice and easy way to flash the installer some other way on an already working Debian installation?
Jul 15 14:39:17 <Reedy> in *theory* you should be able to point it at the lenny apt repo's and tell it to upgrade/dist-upgrade
Jul 15 14:39:21 <Reedy> however, i dont know if it will
Jul 15 14:41:06 <ln-> that way i would get the arm version of lenny, i think, but changing the architecture to armel would be the hard part.
Jul 15 14:42:32 <Reedy> oh
Jul 15 14:42:44 <Reedy> i'd mail the debian arm mailing list tbh
Jul 15 14:42:54 <Reedy> i suspect, reflashing would make most sense
Jul 15 14:46:21 <ln-> probably
Jul 15 14:48:29 <Platypen> if i get an error message like "error: parse error before ')' token" when doing "make"
Jul 15 14:48:40 <Platypen> what package am i likely to be missing?
Jul 15 14:49:10 <Reedy> the files probably wrong
Jul 15 14:51:36 <Platypen> i looked at the line of code the error message points to
Jul 15 15:03:00 <tray> ups
Jul 15 15:03:12 <tray> when I connect to my slug via ssh I get
Jul 15 15:03:28 <tray> Connection closed by: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Jul 15 15:03:31 <tray> ;-(
Jul 15 15:04:47 <tray> what do I do then?
Jul 15 15:05:00 <tray> I think the ssh-server might be non-functioning
Jul 15 15:12:16 <Platypen> ive looked at the code
Jul 15 15:12:29 <Platypen> the line producing the error is the same
Jul 15 15:12:32 <Platypen> printf(HEADER, VERSION_STRING, VERSION_REVISION, VERSION_REVISION_CLI);
Jul 15 15:12:35 <Platypen> looks fine to me.
Jul 15 15:12:49 <Reedy> lol, c
Jul 15 15:13:04 <Platypen> but it returns error: parse error before ')' token
Jul 15 15:16:55 <tray> I have lost ssh-connection to NSLU2
Jul 15 15:17:01 <tray> what to do then?
Jul 15 15:24:48 <Reedy> restart it?
Jul 15 15:48:41 <tray> I hope
Jul 15 15:48:48 <tray> but if the server is f-----
Jul 15 17:13:51 <chrisb> is there a terminal program on a typical winxp box?
Jul 15 17:14:25 <chrisb> i do not have hyperterminal on one i am trying to work with
Jul 15 17:18:29 <mwester> chrisb:  no, use putty (google for download; I don't recall the address).
Jul 15 17:21:21 <chrisb> mwester: can putty operate without ssh?
Jul 15 17:21:46 <mwester> putty can do telnet as well as ssh (and it can use a direct serial port also).
Jul 15 17:22:18 <mwester> But of course, you want SSH installed as soon as the device is running in a state where it can be installed on the NSLU2, right?
Jul 15 17:23:20 <chrisb> mwester: right now, i'm checking on how a machine comes up when nslu2 is running tftpd and pxebooting the machine
Jul 15 17:23:34 * Reedy wonders if the faint beep is his NSLU2
Jul 15 17:23:38 <chrisb> mwester: so i want a console
Jul 15 17:24:00 <mwester> On the serial port, then?
Jul 15 17:24:23 <chrisb> mwester: yes, and now i see where i set putty to non-ssh
Jul 15 17:24:27 <chrisb> mwester: thanks.
Jul 15 17:24:37 <mwester> np
Jul 15 17:25:24 <Reedy> whys it beeping :/
Jul 15 17:26:02 <Reedy> ah
Jul 15 17:26:12 <Reedy> think that mini hard drive is making the "beep" and its dying
Jul 15 17:26:43 <Reedy> i suspect
Jul 15 17:27:49 <chrisb> mwester: how do i assign the com port in putty...
Jul 15 17:28:56 <Reedy> Select serial radio button?
Jul 15 17:29:04 <Reedy> then in Serial Line?
Jul 15 17:29:08 <eno> chrisb: google for "putty baud"
Jul 15 17:31:21 <chrisb> ah, i do not have a serial line radio button in my putty
Jul 15 17:34:55 <mwester> upgrade
Jul 15 17:55:53 * chrisb goes off to upgrade putty
Jul 15 20:02:28 <docmax> hi
Jul 15 20:02:45 <docmax> did anyone managed it to compile java 1.5 or icedtea on nslu2?
Jul 15 20:51:25 <eno> docmax: look at this http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/embedded.jsp
Jul 15 20:51:53 <eno> it's not a simple matter of compiling
Jul 15 20:54:01 <docmax> whats the matter?
Jul 15 20:54:20 <docmax> jeah i got that site... 1.4 is not enought for me
Jul 15 20:54:52 <eno> even Sun does not have 1.5 available for ARM CPU
Jul 15 20:55:04 <Reedy> lol
Jul 15 20:55:09 <Reedy> not going anywhere fast
Jul 15 20:56:25 <eno> i would focus on what you want to achieve, rather than java or JDdownloader
Jul 15 21:02:03 <eno> also check this thread http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2008-January/000972.html
Jul 15 21:11:30 <docmax> perhaps java is not possible on arm
Jul 15 21:16:22 <eno> this space is changing very fast recently, CACAO 0.98 may worth a try
Jul 15 22:05:04 <docmax> cacao... hmm
Jul 15 22:05:13 <docmax> but i need to run jdownloader
Jul 15 22:07:10 <mwester> docmax:  I think people are suggesting that you find an alternative, because what you are insisting that you need is simply not available.
Jul 15 22:09:47 <docmax> i need to run jdownloader
Jul 15 22:10:01 <docmax> and it simply needs a java machine
Jul 15 22:11:11 <mwester> Not quite true, in previous days you've insisted that it needs to be >1.4 and it needs to be a Sun JRE.
Jul 15 22:12:11 <docmax> jeah, i mean a java machine compatible to sun >1.4
Jul 15 22:12:20 <docmax> perhaps cacao can do it
Jul 15 22:12:44 <docmax> icedtea is pretty much compatible to sun... but also not compileable on arm
Jul 15 22:12:47 <docmax> arm(el)
Jul 15 22:13:36 <docmax> by the way armel is much faster than arm on nslu2
Jul 15 22:13:38 <eno> if i understand correctly, icedtea is not a JVM by itself
Jul 15 22:14:04 <eno> it's a way to build openjdk
Jul 15 22:14:06 <docmax> no i think it uses openjdk
Jul 15 22:14:12 <mwester> endianness is the same speed; just some applications run faster with one or the other.
Jul 15 22:14:24 <docmax> anyway openjdk also isnt working on arm
Jul 15 22:14:45 <docmax> no, armel is overall faster... i feel it
Jul 15 22:15:08 <mwester> Ok then.
Jul 15 22:15:13 <eno> docmax was probably talking about the new arch armel, which implies new EABI
Jul 15 22:15:20 <docmax> mwester, u have to install it
Jul 15 22:15:29 <docmax> eno, yes
Jul 15 22:15:51 <docmax> runs faster on nslu2
Jul 15 22:15:53 <eno> the FP performance should be very good
Jul 15 22:16:46 <docmax> right now i am compiling NX for hours
Jul 15 22:16:52 <docmax> but no errors so far
Jul 15 22:17:13 <eno> docmax: if you're a developer, you should try build cacao
Jul 15 22:17:31 <docmax> building cacao right now
Jul 15 22:17:41 <docmax> lets see if it works
Jul 15 22:18:39 <eno> what installation procedure did you follow to install debian armel on nslu2?
Jul 15 22:18:48 <docmax> configure: error: armv5tel systems are not supported at this time
Jul 15 22:18:58 <docmax> damnit!!!
Jul 15 22:21:44 <docmax> i got the armel slub firmware
Jul 15 22:21:47 <docmax> slug
Jul 15 22:22:05 <docmax> www.slug-firmware.com i think.. or .net
Jul 15 22:22:24 <docmax> can i oweride that check?
Jul 15 22:22:30 <docmax> arm and armel should be compatible
Jul 15 23:15:36 <chrisb> which nfs do people run on slugosbe? task-nfs, kernel-nfs?
Jul 15 23:16:21 <mwester> always kernel nfs
Jul 15 23:17:19 <chrisb> mwester: ok, thanks
Jul 15 23:36:09 <chrisb> i installed nfs-utils and kernel-module-nfsd, do i need to restart?
Jul 15 23:36:41 <chrisb> nfsd.ko did not get insmodded automatically and i get rejected when i explicitly insmod nfsd.ko
Jul 16 00:13:06 <chrisb> i had better keep root's shell set to /bin/sh rather that /bin/bash, right?
Jul 16 00:15:12 <chrisb> insmod nfsd.ko gives error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.21.7/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
Jul 16 01:05:21 <bpun> can i attach a flash drive while it is powered, or is it mandatory to follow linksys's boring instructions?
Jul 16 01:10:58 <docmax> i need java 1.5+ on nslu2
Jul 16 01:11:14 <bpun> docmax, java?
Jul 16 01:11:17 <docmax> yes java
Jul 16 01:11:23 <docmax> sun java
Jul 16 01:11:26 <docmax> or icedtea
Jul 16 01:11:57 <bpun> docmax, do u know if its safe to plugin a flash drive while the nslu2 is on?
Jul 16 01:12:16 <bpun> why so many users, and noyone answers? :(((((((((
Jul 16 01:12:18 <docmax> what firmware?
Jul 16 01:12:42 <bpun> docmax, just updated to .63..(linksys).. will try out the linux stuff.. u have a recommendation for distro?
Jul 16 01:13:02 <docmax> u can unplug when no acivities active
Jul 16 01:13:08 <docmax> i got debian nslu2
Jul 16 01:13:14 <docmax> works great
Jul 16 01:13:30 <bpun> i'm also thinking once i get my linux box up.. cuse i'd like to setup squid.. if i can overclock it to 266..
Jul 16 01:13:50 <docmax> ok i got to bed
Jul 16 01:13:53 <bpun> ok
Jul 16 01:14:10 <bpun> docmax, sorry i cant answer your question..
Jul 16 01:14:25 <bpun> docmax, but i think gcj' similar is the name for java on arm?
Jul 16 01:14:50 <bpun> docmax, cant you list packages like in debian? (dpkg -l|grep -i java) ?
Jul 16 01:16:04 <docmax> yeah i found several VM's
Jul 16 01:16:12 <docmax> nothing is compatible to sun java 1.5
Jul 16 01:16:31 <docmax> there is jamvm, sablevm, gij and so on
Jul 16 01:16:38 <docmax> nothing compatible
Jul 16 01:30:08 <chrisb> do people use ipkg or set up a native compile chain for slugosbe?
Jul 16 01:31:03 <chrisb> or is there some kind of update/upgrade i haven't done since the firmware flash/turnup disk sequence?
Jul 16 01:35:49 <bpun> docmax, how old are you looking at the gcf project?
Jul 16 01:36:56 <bpun> (or gcj -- i think they're now incorporating sun's release of open source of java now)
Jul 16 01:37:42 <docmax> im 30 and you?
Jul 16 01:38:35 <bpun> docmax, i'm planning on trying linux on nslu.. what wiki site should i look at ?
Jul 16 01:38:55 <bpun> docmax, i meant the age of the archive of java.. 
Jul 16 01:39:17 <bpun> docmax, was considering the package archive is very aged.. a cross-compiler may suffice.. but dunno..
Jul 16 01:39:20 <bpun> lol
Jul 16 01:39:26 <bpun> docmax, sorry for the confusion lol
Jul 16 01:40:00 <bpun> thanks for your help docmax..
Jul 16 01:40:03 <bpun> bye for now :)
Jul 16 01:48:03 * chrisb realizes that he is running a beta slugosbe-4.8-beta-nslu2.bin
Jul 16 01:51:25 * docmax realizes that he has only 23 rather than 25 cm
Jul 16 01:55:42 <chrisb> maybe gentoo is a good way to go for this device, if you can take the long compiles
Jul 16 01:56:39 <chrisb> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Linksys_NSLU2
Jul 16 01:56:51 <chrisb> he decided to use gentoo since he was compiling so much
Jul 16 02:23:42 <mwester> chrisb:  what is it you are trying to do?
Jul 16 02:45:34 <chrisb> mwester: compile the nfsd.ko kernel module, since the ipkg version has the wrong symbol table, or i'm missing some dependencies
Jul 16 02:45:55 <chrisb> mwester: short answer is, i'm trying to get nfsd running on a slugosbe
Jul 16 02:52:26 <bpun> is it a good idea to overclock? anyone?
Jul 16 02:52:47 <bpun> i'd like to have squid.. and havent installed a linux distro on it (brand new)
Jul 16 02:52:47 * chrisb checking sunrpc dependency
Jul 16 02:55:30 <mwester> chrisb:  It should just work from the feeds; I use it on all my slugos systems.
Jul 16 02:55:59 <mwester> bpun:  Its an *excellent* idea to de-underclock it; just make sure you're up to the challenge, and note that it voids your warranty
Jul 16 02:56:01 <chrisb> somehow dependent kernel modules were not automagically loaded
Jul 16 02:56:18 <chrisb> no sunrpc, lockd, exportfs
Jul 16 02:56:29 <mwester> The dependencies are all supposed to be in place from the user-space package that gets installed.
Jul 16 02:57:34 <mwester> They certainly were in place as of 8 weeks ago; I remember because it annoyed me since I didn't actually need all the dependencies for my purpose at the time, but it filled up the flash anyway.
Jul 16 02:58:20 <chrisb> they were not being loaded, maybe i needed another command to fix modules.dep
Jul 16 02:58:39 <chrisb> mwester: they were there, pulled down into /lib/modules by ipkg
Jul 16 02:58:58 <mwester> Hmmm... but not automatically loaded?
Jul 16 02:59:08 <mwester> There may be a problem with depmod, then.
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