**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 17 02:59:57 2008 Aug 17 03:08:45 widrone: Disconnect happend because something fell over an knocked out the power cord :) Not quite as technical as overloading Aug 17 10:00:28 hi there, someone has experience with the BarracudaDrive WebDAV? Aug 17 10:01:09 When accesing http://myip/dav/ I can login, but after that I get a 404. using /drive instead of /dav works perfectly... :-S Aug 17 10:15:13 hi there, do you have experience with Barracudadrive WebDAV? Aug 17 10:22:11 hi there, do you have experience with Barracydadrive WebDAV? Aug 17 10:57:16 hi there, do you have experience with Barracydadrive WebDAV? Aug 17 11:01:55 is that somehow related to nslu2? Aug 17 11:03:32 yes, it is a specific NSLU2 version Aug 17 11:04:26 It is a cms, webserver, WebDAV, HTTPS tunnel etc., but unfortunately the WebDAV isn't working :-( Aug 17 12:59:23 * Reedy kicks his nslu2 Aug 17 13:08:14 hi there Reedy, do you have experience with Barracydadrive WebDAV? Aug 17 13:08:33 nope, not other than ti being added to wikipedia, and then later removed Aug 17 13:08:34 sorry Aug 17 13:09:18 Bummer... Cannot get it to work... Throws 404's... Aug 17 13:10:20 the /drive/blaat works fine, but /dav/blaat gives 404's... Aug 17 13:14:23 might be worth contacting them directly Aug 17 13:21:38 Have to look why a) my nslu2 wont reboot sometimes, and b) why it seems to go unrepsonsive every couple of days Aug 17 13:31:05 strange... Nothing in the logfile? Aug 17 13:35:55 havent looked, need to when it comes back up Aug 17 13:36:27 seems to boot first time ok after its crashed with drives attached, but they arent mounted to the right locations... a reboot used to solve that, but doesnt seem to want to now Aug 17 13:36:35 have to boot with only os drive on Aug 17 15:02:20 Does anyone have any experience with connecting a USB numeric keypad to the slug and using the keys as shortcuts? (eg. to quickly mount / umount disks, ...) Aug 17 15:07:27 I think LIRC supports this (although I do not have any experience with LIRC), so I installed lirc package from http://www.nslu2-linux.org/. But apparantly, only the default lirc driver is included in this lirc package, and I think I need "devinput" driver according to http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html#@hw-other (see "Linux input layer (/dev/input/eventX)" row). Do I need to recompile LIRC, or are there any other options? Aug 17 15:19:55 First: you probably need other kernel modules to recognize the keyboard. Check out the USB HID drivers. Aug 17 15:20:31 i already managed to install the keyboard drivers... Aug 17 15:20:56 /proc/bus/input/devices says "generic USB K/B hub" Aug 17 15:21:25 so I suppose that is OK? Aug 17 15:22:23 yep, then you have a keyboard. It should be generating events as one would expect. Beyond that, you'll have to google or experiment, I guess. Aug 17 15:39:00 hmm Aug 17 15:39:04 nothing obvious in meh logs Aug 17 16:20:57 some new persons, so I'll repeat my question hoping that someone has an answer... Aug 17 16:21:06 do any of you have experience with Barracydadrive WebDAV? Aug 17 16:41:01 edwinvandeburgt, your likely to have more luck either posting on the nslu2-general mailing list Aug 17 16:41:09 or contacting the maker of it Aug 17 18:10:04 hey guys, any debain users here? Aug 17 18:11:32 * Reedy hides Aug 17 18:12:18 ha long time mate :P¬ Aug 17 18:12:25 uve had it coming for a while Aug 17 18:12:41 sorry? Aug 17 18:12:58 lol never mind. what version u running at the mo? Aug 17 18:13:18 still etch Aug 17 18:13:25 but mine seems a bit poorly Aug 17 18:13:39 Linux version 2.6.18-5-ixp4xx (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Sun Dec 23 05:17:39 UTC 2007 Aug 17 18:14:34 mine is still misbehavin as well. i have seen there is a beta on site. eitehr tempted by that or putting something else on (needs for it have changed)...biggest issue i have got is no hdd spindown, as i am trying to save electricity Aug 17 18:15:38 u know if beta will help this or is it worth jumpign ship to another firmware? Aug 17 18:15:50 i have loaded debian a couple of times on my slugs yes, dont have one running atm. Aug 17 18:16:55 mine spins down fine on debian :P Aug 17 18:17:30 yea, and ures mounts both hdds on start as well...mine dont :p Aug 17 18:17:35 some disks spin down by them selfes, others really need to be told. Aug 17 18:17:51 yep. thats what i had heard Aug 17 18:18:00 tried to use hdparm ? Aug 17 18:18:10 mine mount, but not necesserily on the right device Aug 17 18:18:14 i have to restart it again Aug 17 18:18:29 but it currently wont reboot with the other drives still attached Aug 17 18:18:37 that and its just becoming unresponsive for no real reason Aug 17 18:18:40 i got 4 different usb enclosures plugged into a slug, they all spin down without me ever doing anytihng about it. I must have been lucky Aug 17 18:19:14 Reedy: You on debian? Aug 17 18:19:23 yeaah Aug 17 18:19:48 nope. may look into that. to be honest, the slug is not gf friendly at the mo because i am havign to mount manually. idea of loading up putty is lost on her lol. thinking of switching to someting else as i no longer use it for all cababilities that i needed debain for. something bit more friendly Aug 17 18:20:04 there was (is still) some bug in the debian installer that mucks up the fstab after first boot. Think it was fixed, but you still got it bad? Aug 17 18:20:30 yup Aug 17 18:20:30 it only recently has started messing about Aug 17 18:20:49 i've had to restart it to get it to boot with drives in right places for a while, but that isnt major Aug 17 18:20:55 Reedy: uuid mounting, looked into it? Aug 17 18:21:12 i tried adding manually the line to fstab with reedys help but never got anywhere Aug 17 18:23:48 but that whole disk spinup timng and mounting is a headache Aug 17 18:24:16 since the os just assigns /dev/hdx on a first come fist serve basis Aug 17 18:24:47 quick question then, if i decide to change. looking at unslung again.... hum .... my disk wouldnt need formating would it. sure its ext3 Aug 17 18:25:46 I went with slugos when I swapped out debian for my livingroom slug Aug 17 18:26:11 yea? ill look into it now. is it web ineterface? Aug 17 18:26:18 its small/lean and made for the slug, its powerfull in a linux way and there is almost no limits on it. Aug 17 18:26:22 whats stability like? Aug 17 18:26:48 18:26:37 up 61 days, 9:54, load average: 1.08, 1.07, 1.13 Aug 17 18:27:01 ha that will do Aug 17 18:27:01 and thats only because I rewired 2 months ago =P Aug 17 18:27:25 never know which version of slu os 2 look at? Aug 17 18:27:31 its no webpage thingy Aug 17 18:27:52 slugos is more skinned down, there is package feeds so you "build what you need" Aug 17 18:28:25 unslung is the lookalike standard, but slugos opens up the slug and makaes it usefull. Aug 17 18:28:33 right. BE or LE? Aug 17 18:29:16 im on BE it seems, cant tell you why I went that way when I did thu Aug 17 18:29:30 yea thats why i switched to debain. get more out of it. dont nessacerily need extras now, bu if its stable and reliable, might as well have them Aug 17 18:30:15 Im a debian guy, but as I said the livingroom slug runs 950GB sambashare, screen and irssi + some scripts Aug 17 18:30:36 on slugos, I didnt really need the whole flexibility of debian for that Aug 17 18:30:58 does the job and keeps me from overloading it really =P Aug 17 18:31:02 lol Aug 17 18:31:15 2008-06-09 - Debian/NSLU2 Experimental 5.0beta2 Aug 17 18:31:46 may put that on before i swap and see if it helps. whats easiest way to upgrade debain when older version is on? Aug 17 18:33:07 http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ got the latest good info Im guessing. Aug 17 18:33:18 not totaly up to speed after the summer. Aug 17 18:34:22 yea cant see it on there. looked before doh. :) Aug 17 18:35:06 ignore me. found it lol Aug 17 18:35:11 http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/upgrade.html Aug 17 18:37:58 there should be some page on taking a backup of the important stuff like kernel etc if you want to feel a bit more secure about the upgrade Aug 17 18:39:15 as long as my 2nd hdd data isnt currupted (not the drive with debian on) then i dont care Aug 17 18:39:30 thats the 1 that isnt mounting on boot automatically Aug 17 18:40:36 unplug it during the procedure so you dont screw up some commands Id say, but no... shouldnt be anything wrong with it. Aug 17 18:43:07 im atcually leaving it in so that the debian installer regonices it and adds it to bootup. frst time i installed without it and i think that was the root of my problem...just going to be VERY carefull Aug 17 18:43:43 u guys got upnp server running? Aug 17 18:43:47 ah, good point. Hope they fixed the bug where mounts swap after first boot Aug 17 18:44:22 had a look at gmediaserver, just havent found a nice upnp fromtend for my Mac yet Aug 17 18:47:12 yea i want something for chipped xbox (original). and n95 fone. Aug 17 18:49:26 my n80 pickep up the gmediaserver without trouble, it didnt have any codecs for the video I had around, so I never testet it anymore Aug 17 18:49:54 xbmc frontend I heard alot about, good stuff it seems. For the xbox that is Aug 17 18:54:51 not for long. its in beta releases for mac, linux and now windows. stable version estimated being released in month or 2.!!!! quite a big thing to be honest Aug 17 18:55:13 best media center i ever used. will be interesting to see what happens now its cross platform Aug 17 19:02:29 Ah, yes... I did try some xbmc for mac beta some months ago. Thanks for reminding me, hehe. Summer ate my watchlist it seems. Aug 17 19:06:35 widrone, i have it UUID mounting for the os drive Aug 17 19:06:42 cant seem to remember the gmediaserver or any other upnp servers being in the slugos feeds thu. Aug 17 19:17:31 whats reboot comand for debain again from ssh? Aug 17 19:18:03 shutdown -r now Aug 17 19:18:13 that should reboot it asap Aug 17 19:18:22 reboot or restart works Aug 17 19:18:25 cant remember which Aug 17 19:18:31 probably reboot Aug 17 19:18:53 There is a reboot in slugos least. Aug 17 19:19:05 and in most other linux distros Aug 17 19:19:33 yeah Aug 17 19:19:35 tis reboot Aug 17 19:20:55 lol yea i thought that after i typed it. had long drive 2day (5 hours) thats my excuse :P Aug 17 19:26:11 whats easiest way of seeing if disk is mounted? i fdisked -l and seen that drive is attacthed but looks like its not been mounted after i upgraded debian :@ grr Aug 17 19:26:50 mount Aug 17 19:27:30 yea only got dev/sda and not sdb Aug 17 19:27:41 Aye, mount to list mounted stuff. And dmesg to see if the usb ubsystem picked it up (more info) Aug 17 19:28:52 There is no /dev/sdbX atall? Aug 17 19:29:07 Or is it just not mounted anywhere. Aug 17 19:29:09 not in mount info nope Aug 17 19:29:18 its listed in fdisk -l Aug 17 19:29:43 i got that attached through a hub. temped to remove that, know i had exact same prob before i put hub in though Aug 17 19:30:21 "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" get you it manually mounted. Aug 17 19:30:45 oh yea i always been able to do that. thats what i been having to do on each boot Aug 17 19:30:51 If fdisk -l shows it it should be ready to mount into somewhere Aug 17 19:31:15 Stick it in /etc/fstab too, so it should stay. Aug 17 19:31:55 But if you are planning on having more usb disks on the hub there may be confusion. Aug 17 19:31:57 i tried doing that and it didnt work, but ill give it anotehr go. command i use manually after boot is "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/harddrive" Aug 17 19:32:11 yea i can cpe with not at the mo. Aug 17 19:33:20 by the way, just out of interest, u guys notice that samba aint quickest on debain? always takes while to access my music (there is a lot i know, but still seems slower than should be) Aug 17 19:34:59 my fstab....http://pastebin.com/d35b7eb08 Aug 17 19:35:09 Look into the vol_id command for uuid mounting if you are on debian, seems to be the command to get uuids figured out. Aug 17 19:35:10 this is what i already entered and had no luck Aug 17 19:35:27 Sorry, never had a good look at it so searching abit on the side here. Aug 17 19:35:43 no probs. any glaring mistabes in my fstab? Aug 17 19:35:50 noauto Aug 17 19:36:00 gotta go, says its not to do it automatickly Aug 17 19:36:09 ah Aug 17 19:36:13 So you get stuck doing it manually Aug 17 19:36:16 will remove that Aug 17 19:36:19 cheers :D Aug 17 19:36:36 only on the last line, the /mnt/harddrive line Aug 17 19:36:59 yup Aug 17 19:37:27 "/dev/sdb1 /mnt/harddrive auto rw,user 0 0 Aug 17 19:37:33 " Aug 17 19:37:38 drop the auto Aug 17 19:37:44 daveyboy_, the other noautos want to stay as such Aug 17 19:37:51 yea Aug 17 19:38:21 auto is to tell the filesystem, you could spesify it yes. Aug 17 19:38:52 I got my root fs mounted noauto only, its on a flash usb disk so its suppose to save writecycles Aug 17 19:39:07 not noauto, noatime... Aug 17 19:39:24 http://pastebin.com/d2cfff3ca Aug 17 19:40:18 Id leae the auto stanza or set it to ext2 (or3). What is the filesystem on the disk? Aug 17 19:40:32 ext3 Aug 17 19:40:38 Then again, my fstab skills is abit rusty. Aug 17 19:41:02 Put in ext3 there. Aug 17 19:41:15 instead of "yes" then? Aug 17 19:41:22 Yes. Aug 17 19:41:32 k illl try this and reboot Aug 17 19:46:53 GOOD STUFF :D Aug 17 19:46:58 bout bloody time. cheers Aug 17 19:47:25 ha i been trying for ages. never thought it would be as simple as taking "noauto" out lol Aug 17 19:47:29 Hehe, just one word hidden in the end of a file. All that searhing =) Aug 17 19:47:35 yup! Aug 17 19:47:42 lol Aug 17 19:47:57 I think its the mount man page that has the list of all possible mount arguments Aug 17 19:48:21 for your vfat/ntfs + other strangeness eventual needs. Aug 17 19:48:33 right, no i just need to get hdparm on and hopefulyl i will be there. read on the wiki that enabling dma can hel with speed. woundering if thats issue i been having. Aug 17 19:49:31 Im reading over http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/SpinDownUSBHarddisks atm Aug 17 19:50:07 Just looking to see whats changed sinec last I stopped by, the wiki is really nice for picking up general unixy tips. Aug 17 19:50:51 Like the http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TimeMachineBackups , I searched alot of silly forums to find something like that. And its all nice on the slug wiki ofc. Aug 17 19:51:35 looks like method 5 will be the 1 i want then :) Aug 17 19:57:44 hum.... do i need to compille on my slug? Aug 17 20:00:11 Seems like way #4 could be used too, depending abit on how you want to proceed. Aug 17 20:00:40 Compiling is possible, but takes abit of time and work. I havent compiled stuff in a while, but Aug 17 20:01:00 most ppl who compile regularly have a crossbuild enviroment somewhere with a bit more ram etc Aug 17 20:01:19 compiling would be bit of pain in arse just for this. will look at option 4 Aug 17 20:09:12 humm bit lost now to be honest. looks like i need to copy that script somewhere? and also guy is talking about a cron script? Aug 17 20:10:08 You got sg_start program? Have you also got a scsi-idle binary somewhere? Aug 17 20:10:36 Sorry, Im mixing 4 and 5, holdup a sec Aug 17 20:11:01 np Aug 17 20:12:39 /usr/bin/sg_start 0 --pc=2 /dev/sdb <- does that command spin down the second disk at all? Aug 17 20:12:57 I know its manual, but better to make sure it works before trying to script it Aug 17 20:13:05 or make it automatic somehow Aug 17 20:13:58 2 secs, have to go downstaires 2 check Aug 17 20:15:02 /usr/bin/sg_start --stop /dev/sda Aug 17 20:15:27 should work in "most cases", the script there seems to do some checking if you are using the drive Aug 17 20:15:51 otherwise you could set a cronjob to force it every 10/15 min Aug 17 20:16:21 would wreck most of media transfers out of it thu, have to spin up and down like that Aug 17 20:17:09 That script in the wiki uses a command Im unfamiliar with, fuser to do the test Aug 17 20:17:12 feels like it did. do i just load up something off the disk 2 start it back up again? (so i can check it did actually spin down) Aug 17 20:17:33 yeah, a cd to the dir and ls... just something Aug 17 20:18:15 getting disks with / on to spindown is alot more work, but there is good tips on that too on the page. Aug 17 20:19:02 I went the usb flash disk way for my root partition, makes a super silent slug really. Aug 17 20:20:21 right that worked. yea i am lookign at replacing my 120 ggi hdd that has got debian on and little else with mem stick Aug 17 20:21:05 im wondering if its something i should do sooner rather than later before i gett all settings working from hdd, or is it something i can transfer? Aug 17 20:21:07 Stalk the bargainbins and pick up a gig or 2, just hope its a newer one that does wear leveling in the hw. Aug 17 20:21:22 i got spare 1 gig 1 on desk at mo Aug 17 20:21:47 You could in theory just dd the partition (unmounted disk plugged into some other linux box) Aug 17 20:22:13 and dd it back to the flash, just set up the partitions the same way etc. Aug 17 20:22:35 But if you mount by uuid you got a problem there. ;) Aug 17 20:23:37 plus no linux box here Aug 17 20:23:43 I blew a old flashthingy by having a swap on it, this one has lasted way longer. Seems to be a problem that died with the vendors doing the wear leveling for writes. Aug 17 20:24:05 there is guide how 2 stop beeting up old usbs Aug 17 20:25:29 right well i got spindown working, but what about adding that script to automate it? Aug 17 20:27:11 Aah, it uses the fuser command on the directory to see if any PIDs are active. Aug 17 20:27:24 If none then it spins down. Aug 17 20:27:51 Seems to be a script you put into your crontab (to get it executed every X min) Aug 17 20:28:32 or not the script into crontab, but a script you run from the cron(tab) Aug 17 20:28:43 Familiar with the cron deamon? Aug 17 20:29:07 nope Aug 17 20:29:41 Its a deamon that checks a file regurlary, if there is stuff scheduled it runs command. Aug 17 20:29:58 Every user got a crontab file that is also parsed. Aug 17 20:30:17 So you can say execute script X every 3 min Aug 17 20:31:17 crontab - lto list your active, crontab -e to start your editor and add them Aug 17 20:31:49 Id get the script somewhere first, /usr/local or where local own scripts are supposed to go. Aug 17 20:31:56 Then call it from the crontab. Aug 17 20:32:23 Crontab stanzas are wierd, like this: */5 * * * * root /mnt/opera/operapop.sh &>/dev/null Aug 17 20:32:54 All the * and / are timing info ,the /mnt line here is pointing to the script I want to be run Aug 17 20:33:27 right... think im with you. 2 secs, ill just get script on box. had 2 reboot Aug 17 20:33:31 Basicly its the first part saying something about when to run, the last part is for commands (just like in a shell) Aug 17 20:34:17 Its a crontab from my slug running a script every 5 minute (grabs a webcam pic but anyway) Aug 17 20:34:35 ah clever Aug 17 20:35:38 Cron is unixy oldness and great really. Aug 17 20:35:55 brb just havign a cig Aug 17 20:44:56 So might it be that sshd just doen't care what I edit in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? been trying to change the port, for example, setting it to 80, 8000, whatever. All I ever get is sshd running on port 22. Aug 17 20:45:07 why might* Aug 17 20:46:59 SlugOS or debian or what, and there may be some other options in the configfile that just makes it ignore the port Aug 17 20:47:58 Im using dropbear myself on the slug. The port is set elsewhere. Aug 17 20:48:27 flipmo: If you are on unslung you may not be editing the configfiles you thing you are. Aug 17 20:48:44 SlugOS/BE Aug 17 20:49:04 been down the "maybe it's /opt/etc/.." road already :) Aug 17 20:49:57 apparently commandline settings override configfile settings, but i can't seem to find that sshd is started with any commandline settings in any of the init scripts Aug 17 20:57:39 Look in /etc/init.d/ Aug 17 20:57:53 the sshd script may contain a port sttanza Aug 17 20:59:14 sorry, got no similar setup to try out here. Aug 17 20:59:35 But I know the dropbear script in the slugos does. Aug 17 20:59:55 thanks anyway :) Aug 17 21:00:14 looked there, can't seem to find any port settings being passed ther Aug 17 21:00:55 /etc/default ? or you got inetd loading services? Aug 17 21:02:38 hey widrone, sorry about that. right couple of questions, i log on as root (not the best but its only me that edits this so its fine...) should i still put script in users/local? Aug 17 21:02:58 widrone: you lost me :/ Aug 17 21:03:26 daveyboy_: You could keep it in /root/ even, just somewhere you can set it executable and make it run. Aug 17 21:03:42 right, ok what extention does a script need? Aug 17 21:04:32 flipmo: Just thinking out loud about where the override could be hidden. inetd is a deamon for starting internet services, but not used alot thesedays. Guessing the slugos is somewhat standard. Aug 17 21:04:56 daveyboy_: No extension needed, just chmod +x it to make it executable. Aug 17 21:06:57 write done that. "chmod +x sg_start Aug 17 21:07:18 oops. sorry just ment to tell u name of it Aug 17 21:08:59 flipmo: Did you restart sshd, yes? Could you maybe pastebin the config + /etc/init.d/sshd for me, now you got me curious =P Aug 17 21:09:06 ok would my mount point be "/mnt/harddrive" or do i need to include the sev/sdb1? Aug 17 21:09:18 yeah restarted it :) Aug 17 21:09:25 hold on, i'll paste Aug 17 21:10:17 You want the /mnt/harddrive Aug 17 21:10:46 The script seems to have a look at any open processed that may be using the paths Aug 17 21:10:46 http://pastebin.com/m652eb5d6 /etc/init.d/sshd Aug 17 21:11:04 k done that. how do i call that in cron? let me know if u wanna break to help flip, sounds like u got a lot on :) Aug 17 21:11:39 http://pastebin.com/d3557e13c /etc/ssh/sshd_config Aug 17 21:12:32 Hmmm... there's two Port-statements in the sshd config... I wonder if that could be an issue? Aug 17 21:12:47 The init.d script looks standard and withiout strangeness. Aug 17 21:12:50 er that's me fiddling around Aug 17 21:13:12 That could/should be it yes, it probably takes one of them and gets confused. Aug 17 21:13:32 "according to the internet" multiple ports should be fine, but even using just on port set to non-22 has no results Aug 17 21:14:08 i.e. I've tried it with a single port entry, no dice :/ Aug 17 21:15:01 we better trust "the internet" then, Im stumped. =/ Aug 17 21:16:00 me too Aug 17 21:16:04 been googling my face off Aug 17 21:16:30 what does /ets/default/sshd say ? Aug 17 21:16:37 how about trying to override the port on the command-line then instead? :) Aug 17 21:16:49 widrone: no such file Aug 17 21:17:23 I mean, setting SSHD_OPTS to something like -p 80? Aug 17 21:17:34 Ok, just saw the sshd startup script looking for it for "some reason" Aug 17 21:18:39 Maybe your $SSHD_OPTS already contains -p 22 and there is your override problem? (I keep hoping) Aug 17 21:19:32 $SSHD_OPTS is non-existant too :) Aug 17 21:28:03 what the shit Aug 17 21:28:45 just executing /usr/sbin/sshd gives me the results I want Aug 17 21:34:08 widrone, any clue on the cron part? if ure not busy? Aug 17 21:35:14 haha Aug 17 21:35:22 reboot -> port changes fine Aug 17 21:35:29 even multiple ports Aug 17 21:35:41 running 22 + 8000 atm, for example Aug 17 21:35:44 so kids Aug 17 21:36:21 sshd's init script's reload|restart functions... don't work? Aug 17 21:38:08 or atleast for some reason pass commandline settings? Aug 17 21:38:52 maybe it's BusyBox's start-stop-daemon replacement that's causing it Aug 17 21:55:41 daveyboy_: Sorry, gotta run out a couple of hours. Ill look in as soon as I can again. Aug 17 21:58:48 no probs Aug 17 22:38:30 anyone running ushare? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 18 02:59:57 2008