**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 22 02:59:56 2008 Aug 22 12:20:43 wohoo~ my replacement nslu2 has finally arrived \o/ gonna go pick it up Aug 22 12:49:14 What happened to the one that is being replaced? Aug 22 13:50:53 Kvaks: flash memory was broken Aug 22 16:17:56 Ooh, niceness in my mailbox. The slugOS 5.0 development info mail : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-developers/message/1891 Aug 22 18:56:44 hi, ok, newbie question, how do I create and share a folder on the slug (unslung6.10) for access on a linux pc? Aug 22 18:58:41 NFS? dont think unslung supports it Aug 22 18:58:45 you can do samba shared folder Aug 22 18:58:46 s Aug 22 18:59:00 (supports by default, anywway) Aug 22 18:59:53 so install samba package on both the slug and pc, create a directory on slug and then use samba to share it? (last part I'm not too sure how..) Aug 22 19:01:25 Using samba in that situation is rather like observing that one has an Porsche, and a roadway, and then convering the auto to use bicycle wheels and the roadway into a bicycle path. Aug 22 19:01:47 Put the NFS server package on Unslung. Aug 22 19:02:14 (My unslung systems are very happy with NFS) Aug 22 19:02:36 Bicycles are the future. Aug 22 19:02:37 I'll try that (NFS) and be back... Aug 22 19:08:59 awesome, i'm more than happy with my slug so far :) piece of cake getting it running, just configured samba and it's working like a charm Aug 22 19:10:10 Frigolit: did you chose Samba because you have windows boxes? I only have linux and I am looking for a way to create shares... Aug 22 19:10:29 Cayou99: yep, otherwise i would've used NFS or SFTP Aug 22 19:10:34 +only Aug 22 19:18:11 SFTP would probably be a bit too slow though :q Aug 22 19:18:17 maybe regular FTP instead Aug 22 19:31:43 ssh encryption is really a lot of work for the little device. Aug 22 19:48:16 hey mwester Aug 22 19:48:24 will slugos fix that passwd bug? Aug 22 19:48:29 5.0 that is is Aug 22 19:49:42 and when do you think 5.0 will be finished/released Aug 22 19:52:36 DrJ: a) Don't know - there are security considerations - but it should make it so that you can change your own rootfs to make it work even if it doesn't out-of-the-box. b) Don't know - "when it's ready". A lot will depend on user feedback during development, and I'm uncertain how many can/will build 5.0 to test it. Aug 22 19:54:41 well, remember this problem with passwd: *** glibc detected *** passwd: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x00020058 *** Aug 22 19:54:41 Aborted Aug 22 19:54:47 * DrJ would love to see that fix Aug 22 19:57:21 Well, it doesn't abort anymore, hasn't for a while. But the issue now is that we need to run busybox SUID root in order to let an arbitrary user change passwords, and I'm not sure we'll release SlugOS with that. Aug 22 20:41:32 Im sure that will open up an unknown ammount of canned worms if done carelessly, not that I think slugos is created carelessly. ;) Aug 22 20:47:08 widrone: :) SlugOS 5.0 is going to break *a lot* of things... but security should not be one of them, I think. Aug 22 20:48:05 So I'm personally leaning towards seeing what we can make work without having to have any executable be SUID root, and change that only if necessary. Aug 22 20:49:53 Something in "turnup init" that would allow a user to select the "I'm going to use my Slug in a hostile environment and I'd really like security over usability" might be acceptable as well, I guess. Aug 22 20:50:37 Im guessing since busybox is in use in so many different enviroments there should be tested solutions for commom problems, maybe finding the can be hard thu. But focus and discussion on will usually turn up something. Aug 22 20:51:03 selinux stuff or what its called, with full encryption / . Sure ill kill my slug =) Aug 22 20:52:17 It's been proposed (selinux) actually. :) I turn that off on EVERY linux system I use because it's so intrusive. But some people swear by that sort of control. Aug 22 20:53:44 A "hardened" SlugOS version would be a great idea for someone to take on, actually. I think an alternate SlugOS image like that might be something we could host for those who might like it... Aug 22 20:54:23 well the people who made the patchset are working in a very spesific enviroment, thats for sure. And the idea and implementation gives you _alot_ of granularity way outside the normal unixy permission way of thinking. Aug 22 20:54:58 that said, I have left it so far myself too. Aug 22 20:58:06 I need to setup a crossbuild host again and look into building. Last time I had time to set it up the machine got stolen. I think its time again, leaves starting to drop off the trees outside and all. Aug 22 20:59:04 And there seems to be alot of the same setup to build slugos and some of the openmoko/freerunner stuff. Aug 22 21:04:09 I installed nfs-utils, but I am not sure what to do next; I want to share folders and access them on a Linux box Aug 22 21:08:22 mwester: it still aborts Aug 22 21:08:29 if you try doing it with a non-root user Aug 22 21:08:33 doing it as root works fine Aug 22 21:08:37 Im nfs noob, but this very general intro may be ok http://tldp.org/LDP/nag/node140.html#SECTION0013000000 Aug 22 21:09:09 Cayou99: Its the NFS chapter of the network guide, it should include general commands to get you going. Aug 22 21:09:58 Cayou99: There may be slug spesifics, even the nslu2 wiki may have really good nfs setup info . Aug 22 21:10:25 Im living in a totaly mixed enviroment here so I tend to shuffle samba around =/ Aug 22 21:11:14 Cayou99: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MountNFS Aug 22 21:12:05 Cayou99: That last page was for unslung it seems. Aug 22 21:12:30 this guide is for mounting nfs FROM the slug, but I want the slug to be the server Aug 22 21:13:55 I think everything is ok on the slug, but I can't access from my pc, I get : Aug 22 21:14:14 sudo mount 192.168.1.77:/share/hdd/data /home/steve/multimedia Aug 22 21:14:15 mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpcbind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered Aug 22 21:14:15 mount.nfs: internal error Aug 22 21:16:19 * Cayou99 types DO_Reboot (maybe it's like Windows??) Aug 22 21:16:49 You need portmap running I think Aug 22 21:17:04 rpc connects to portmap somewhere in my mind ;) Aug 22 21:21:57 yaaa Aug 22 21:28:26 ok, seems I can mount now (I needed to reboot, duh...) now I just became a pure linux issue. Thanks to all! Aug 22 21:30:45 DrJ: What version of SlugOS are you referring to? Aug 22 22:56:08 hi there, i have just installed unslung 6.10 on my slug; on usb2 is a 4 GB stick which the unslung was installed to Aug 22 22:56:58 after that i have installed a brand new 500 GB hdd on usb-1 ... the drive is listed as "not formatted" in the web-frontend of unslung Aug 22 22:57:47 i have tried to format the drive through the web frontend but the disk log tells me that it has failed Aug 22 22:58:58 now i have formatted the drive with ext3 on my ubuntu lap and tried again to attach it to the slug ... but the state is the same "not formatted" ... any ideas? Aug 22 23:11:20 mwester: SlugOS 4.8 Aug 22 23:11:22 BE Aug 22 23:11:33 remember we talked about this issue before ... Aug 22 23:11:41 only root can change passwords Aug 22 23:11:56 if you are logged in as anyone but root and try to change your password Aug 22 23:12:01 you are greated with that nice error Aug 22 23:12:49 [jeremy@CUBS ~]$ passwd Aug 22 23:12:49 Changing password for jeremy Aug 22 23:12:49 Old password: Aug 22 23:12:49 Enter the new password (minimum of 5, maximum of 8 characters) Aug 22 23:12:49 Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers. Aug 22 23:12:50 Enter new password: Aug 22 23:12:52 *** glibc detected *** passwd: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x00020058 *** Aug 22 23:12:53 DrJ: Yes, I'm well aware of that issue, and as I said back then, and repeated a little while ago, that's been fixed. Aug 22 23:12:54 Aborted Aug 22 23:12:56 [jeremy@CUBS ~]$ Aug 22 23:13:01 oh? Aug 22 23:13:04 Yes. Aug 22 23:13:10 Fixed. Aug 22 23:13:14 in the new slugos? Aug 22 23:13:19 Yes. Aug 22 23:13:19 or can I download the fix Aug 22 23:13:28 No. Aug 22 23:13:39 okay, so I just need to wait for 5.0 Aug 22 23:13:40 :) Aug 22 23:13:51 * DrJ just wanted to make sure that issue was not forgotten about Aug 22 23:14:09 Right. But even then, you may need to take additional action, or accept reduced security, in order for it to work. Aug 22 23:14:26 why? Aug 22 23:14:48 Because in order for something to change the password, it must run with increased permissions. Aug 22 23:15:16 In 4.8 and earlier, that was "tinylogin" -- which is no longer supported or maintained. Aug 22 23:15:42 The new tool replacing it is busybox, and I'm not yet sure that we want to have the entire busybox executable run with that level of permission. Aug 22 23:31:28 And you would want to avoid stuff like http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=1175 (fixed now thu) Aug 22 23:47:18 heh! Er, yeah. I wonder if we can/should disable that feature, it looks like a huge can of worms for an out-of-the-box install. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 23 02:59:57 2008