**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 07 02:59:57 2008
Nov 07 03:13:20 <mwester_> look in /etc to find the file that lists the volume id information (should be blkid.tab or something like that).  See if /dev/sdb1 is listed in there.
Nov 07 11:57:54 <luke76> good morning to everyone!
Nov 08 01:32:55 <arthur92710> hi
Nov 08 01:33:44 <DrJ> hello
Nov 08 01:33:52 <arthur92710> I that problem i had yesterday with the drives is because of transmission
Nov 08 01:34:38 <DrJ> so you got it fixed?
Nov 08 01:35:17 <arthur92710> when i resume a torrent it sarts to varify, my disk is at sdb1, the either it says permission denied or re starts the torret, now my disk is at sdc1,
Nov 08 01:35:31 <arthur92710> then*
Nov 08 01:36:27 <arthur92710> why does it keep doing this?
Nov 08 01:41:11 <arthur92710> how can I fix it?
Nov 08 01:43:13 <mwester> You fix it by mounting the drive by lable.
Nov 08 01:43:27 <arthur92710> that doees not work
Nov 08 01:43:41 <mwester> Works for me
Nov 08 01:44:12 <arthur92710> ok, so why cant I do it?
Nov 08 01:44:30 <mwester> That's a question that only you can answer, of course.
Nov 08 01:44:33 <arthur92710> duh, it my awsome luck
Nov 08 01:44:41 <arthur92710> XD
Nov 08 01:45:05 <arthur92710> I cant find a better explanation
Nov 08 01:45:19 <mwester> My experience is that those who posess "lucky rabbits feet" don't get very far with technical problems ;)
Nov 08 01:45:40 <mwester> Maybe you should consider a technique termed "debugging" instead :p
Nov 08 01:45:58 <mwester> Did you check the blkid file as I suggested yesterday?
Nov 08 01:46:12 <arthur92710> no, sorry by luck i ment bad luck
Nov 08 01:46:32 <mwester> good luck, bad luck -- same thing.
Nov 08 01:46:33 <arthur92710> I did not check it, 
Nov 08 01:46:43 <arthur92710> dun no why
Nov 08 01:46:49 <arthur92710> dont*
Nov 08 01:47:52 <arthur92710> where is it?
Nov 08 01:48:15 <mwester> search in /etc
Nov 08 01:48:39 <mwester> It will list all the partitions detected, and the labels and uuids for them.
Nov 08 01:48:56 <arthur92710> is it /blkid.tab  ?
Nov 08 01:49:31 <mwester> could be, don't remember.  Does it look like it contains the info you need -- which would be the partition info for the drive that's giving you trouble?
Nov 08 01:50:10 <arthur92710> yes
Nov 08 01:50:49 <arthur92710> <device DEVNO="0x0811" TIME="1226097729" LABEL="250wd" UUID="693fc4a8-eea6-dd11-a83a-001e8c653a0f" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3">/dev/sdb1</device>
Nov 08 01:51:06 <arthur92710> and it seems that it did lable
Nov 08 01:51:19 <arthur92710> label*
Nov 08 01:52:39 <arthur92710> but I also have <device DEVNO="0x0832" TIME="1224421246" UUID="5708e509-900a-42ad-8bda-fbd7ba2db3e4" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3">/dev/sdd2</device>
Nov 08 01:52:48 <arthur92710> device DEVNO="0x0833" TIME="1224421246" TYPE="swap">/dev/sdd3</device>
Nov 08 01:52:56 <arthur92710> <device DEVNO="0x0821" TIME="1224616756" UUID="E0A7-CB2B" SEC_TYPE="msdos" TYPE="vfat">/dev/sdc1</device>
Nov 08 01:53:04 <arthur92710> <device DEVNO="0x0822" TIME="1224616756" UUID="5708e509-900a-42ad-8bda-fbd7ba2db3e4" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3">/dev/sdc2</device>
Nov 08 01:53:12 <arthur92710> <device DEVNO="0x0823" TIME="1224616756" TYPE="swap">/dev/sdc3</device>
Nov 08 01:53:32 <mwester> Right.
Nov 08 01:53:47 <mwester> So, what was the line you had in /etc/fstab?
Nov 08 01:53:47 <arthur92710> I only have 2 drives, sda1(root), sdb1(files)
Nov 08 01:54:30 <arthur92710> so is sdd2,3, sdc1,2,3 extra?
Nov 08 01:54:49 <mwester> left overs from earlier.
Nov 08 01:54:58 <mwester> but what was the line you had in /etc/fstab?
Nov 08 01:55:05 <arthur92710> should i remove it?
Nov 08 01:55:13 <mwester> No - what was it?
Nov 08 01:55:33 <arthur92710> this /dev/sdb1     /media/sdb1     ext3     rw,async,data=ordered
Nov 08 01:55:58 <mwester> Ok, but that's just a standard mount by device name
Nov 08 01:56:04 <arthur92710> yes
Nov 08 01:56:56 <mwester> I think we're failing to communicate here.  Aren't you the guy who was trying to mount a device by a label -- you put a line in your fstab to do that?
Nov 08 01:57:04 <arthur92710> yes
Nov 08 01:57:41 <arthur92710> so should it be LABEL=250wd	/harddrive/	ext3   defaults        0 0
Nov 08 01:58:08 <mwester> Ok.  I'm asking what that line was, so we can compare it to the informaiton in your blkid file.  That like gave orders to Linux to mount a device using the label as an identifier; the blkid file is managed by linux and contains the mapping of device names (which change) to labels and UUIDs (which don't).
Nov 08 01:58:27 <mwester> Should it be that?
Nov 08 01:58:44 <arthur92710> line from /etc/fstab: /dev/sdb1     /media/sdb1     ext3     rw,async,data=ordered
Nov 08 01:58:47 <mwester> I though you had some other label used?
Nov 08 01:59:04 <arthur92710> we were going to use harddrive
Nov 08 01:59:24 <arthur92710> but its 250wd
Nov 08 01:59:59 <mwester> I think I don't see a /dev/sda listed.
Nov 08 02:00:32 <arthur92710> it the first line: /dev/dev/sda1   /       ext3    defaults        1  1
Nov 08 02:00:50 <mwester> Right.  But it's not in the blkid table.
Nov 08 02:01:16 <arthur92710> it is first line:<device DEVNO="0x0801" TIME="1226097729" UUID="0a0c69c3-b536-4c15-bc86-cd2114bb865d" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3">/dev/sda1</device>
Nov 08 02:01:35 <mwester> Oh, there it is.
Nov 08 02:01:44 <mwester> Ok, good.
Nov 08 02:02:21 <mwester> Then just edit the fstab, and replace the /dev/sdb1 with the LABEL=whatever bit.
Nov 08 02:02:21 <arthur92710> I have no problems with the sda disk
Nov 08 02:02:27 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:03:10 <arthur92710> and reboot
Nov 08 02:03:13 <mwester> no
Nov 08 02:03:17 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:03:24 <mwester> is anything using that drive?
Nov 08 02:03:51 <arthur92710> should not be
Nov 08 02:04:06 <mwester> then just try to umount it:  umount /dev/sdb1
Nov 08 02:04:40 <arthur92710> ok no error
Nov 08 02:04:50 <mwester> Good.  Then type:  mount -a
Nov 08 02:04:54 <mwester> What does it say?
Nov 08 02:05:17 <arthur92710> mount: mount point  does not exist
Nov 08 02:05:31 <mwester> Excellent.
Nov 08 02:05:37 <arthur92710> cool
Nov 08 02:05:56 <mwester> Ok, look at the line that you have in the /etc/fstab -- where is it trying to mount that drive?
Nov 08 02:06:30 <arthur92710>  /media/sdb1
Nov 08 02:06:44 <mwester> List the contents of /media -- does sdb1 exist?
Nov 08 02:07:20 <arthur92710> yes
Nov 08 02:07:57 <mwester> hmm... ok.  type "mount /media/sdb1"
Nov 08 02:08:05 <mwester> er, cancel that.
Nov 08 02:08:10 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:08:15 <mwester> type "mount"
Nov 08 02:08:19 <mwester> what is the outpu?
Nov 08 02:08:53 <arthur92710> shows every thing ok, last line is /dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
Nov 08 02:09:37 <mwester> Ok.  I wonder what it was complaining about, then.  Show us your fstab file in its entirety.
Nov 08 02:09:57 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:10:02 <arthur92710> one sec
Nov 08 02:10:08 <arthur92710> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
Nov 08 02:10:18 <arthur92710>  /dev/root on /initrd type jffs2 (ro)
Nov 08 02:10:25 <arthur92710>  /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
Nov 08 02:10:32 <arthur92710>  proc on /proc type proc (rw)
Nov 08 02:10:40 <arthur92710>  sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
Nov 08 02:10:47 <arthur92710>  /dev/sda1 on /dev/.static/dev type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
Nov 08 02:10:55 <arthur92710> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
Nov 08 02:11:04 <arthur92710>  /dev/sda3 on /home type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
Nov 08 02:11:10 <arthur92710> tmpfs on /var/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
Nov 08 02:11:17 <arthur92710>  tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
Nov 08 02:11:24 <arthur92710>  usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
Nov 08 02:11:28 <mwester> That's the output from "mount", not the fstab.
Nov 08 02:11:30 <arthur92710> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
Nov 08 02:11:35 <arthur92710> XD
Nov 08 02:11:38 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:12:02 <arthur92710>  /dev/dev/sda1   /       ext3    defaults        1  1
Nov 08 02:12:08 <arthur92710>  proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0  0
Nov 08 02:12:16 <arthur92710> tmpfs           /var/volatile   tmpfs   mode=0755       0  0
Nov 08 02:12:24 <arthur92710> #tmpfs          /media/ram      tmpfs   defaults        0  0
Nov 08 02:12:30 <arthur92710> tmpfs           /dev/shm        tmpfs   mode=0777       0  0
Nov 08 02:12:36 <arthur92710> usbfs           /proc/bus/usb   usbfs   defaults        0  0
Nov 08 02:12:47 <arthur92710>  /dev/sda3 /home ext3 defaults 1 1
Nov 08 02:12:53 <arthur92710>  /dev/sda2 swap swap defaults 0 0
Nov 08 02:12:58 <arthur92710> LABEL=250wd     /media/sdb1     ext3     rw,async,data=ordered
Nov 08 02:13:35 <mwester> That's it?
Nov 08 02:13:35 <arthur92710> thats it
Nov 08 02:13:45 <mwester> ok.  The first line is a bit bogus.
Nov 08 02:13:51 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:14:05 <arthur92710> I did nothing with it
Nov 08 02:14:19 <mwester> should be /dev/sda1 not /dev/dev/sda1, but if you didn't change it, then leave it be.
Nov 08 02:14:33 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:14:55 <mwester> Ok, well there's nothing obvious for why it complained about the mount point.  But better safe than sorry.
Nov 08 02:15:25 <mwester> The /media directory is special, used for automounting stuff.
Nov 08 02:15:42 <mwester> So you don't want to use that manually, it could cause problems later on.
Nov 08 02:15:54 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:16:41 <mwester> Instead, create a directory in the root and use that instead -- exactly the way /home is done.  For example, "mkdir /stuff" and then change that last line so that instead of /media/sdb1 it's /stuff
Nov 08 02:17:34 <mwester> then type "umount /media/sdb1" and type "mount /stuff"
Nov 08 02:17:34 <arthur92710> ok I will mount it in home. Is that ok?
Nov 08 02:17:40 <mwester> No
Nov 08 02:17:44 <arthur92710> :(
Nov 08 02:18:52 <mwester> You have a disk mounted on /home.  So if you want to mount another one in /home/stuff, then you need to ensure that /home is mounted before /home/stuff is mounted -- and that's hard to do.  The only reliable thing you can know for sure is that / will be mounted before anything else.
Nov 08 02:19:17 <arthur92710> ok 
Nov 08 02:19:32 <mwester> People do it, but it's really bad practice.
Nov 08 02:21:04 <arthur92710> ok its mounted
Nov 08 02:21:34 <arthur92710> ill test it out and tell you how it works
Nov 08 02:23:43 <mwester> Cool. :)
Nov 08 02:24:13 <arthur92710> no
Nov 08 02:24:19 <mwester> not cool?
Nov 08 02:24:33 <arthur92710> I opend transmission /opt/bin/transmission-daemon -w /stuff/downloads/
Nov 08 02:24:44 <arthur92710> opened a torrent
Nov 08 02:24:52 <arthur92710> it started to varify
Nov 08 02:25:22 <arthur92710> then it started to dl, but it unmounted from /stuff
Nov 08 02:25:50 <mwester> Pastebin the last 50 lines or so from "dmesg"
Nov 08 02:26:26 <arthur92710> from the bottem?
Nov 08 02:26:52 <arthur92710> how about a few that stand out
Nov 08 02:26:54 <arthur92710> <2>EXT3-fs error (device sdb1): ext3_readdir: directory #30670849 contains a hole at offset 0
Nov 08 02:27:03 <arthur92710> <3>scsi 1:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
Nov 08 02:27:17 <mwester> Er, yeah. that sorta tells the tale.
Nov 08 02:27:19 <arthur92710> <3>Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 30691328
Nov 08 02:28:04 <mwester> Hopefully the cat just got the cable.
Nov 08 02:28:11 <arthur92710> actually the whole thing is full of those
Nov 08 02:28:32 <mwester> Hope there wasn't any data on there that you value
Nov 08 02:28:42 <arthur92710> why does a cat need cable?
Nov 08 02:29:34 <arthur92710> uh, but I can ftp into the drive, watch my videos, whatever
Nov 08 02:30:15 <mwester> I have no idea, but sure do like to chew on them.  They make little pin-holes with their teeth, and that results in all sorts of weird errors.  but lots cheaper to get a new cable than a new disk.
Nov 08 02:30:25 <mwester> But it sounds like reading is ok.
Nov 08 02:30:41 <arthur92710> oh, I dont have a cat
Nov 08 02:30:44 <arthur92710> yet
Nov 08 02:30:46 <mwester> Then it might be that the disk is just corrupted and needs to be fsck'd
Nov 08 02:31:01 <arthur92710> uh
Nov 08 02:31:05 <arthur92710> ?
Nov 08 02:31:11 <mwester> Frankly -- I'd do that on a desktop Linux system; fsck can run out of memory on the NSLU2 on a big drive.
Nov 08 02:31:31 <arthur92710> I have a bootable knoppix
Nov 08 02:31:59 <mwester> That'll do nicely.
Nov 08 02:32:02 <arthur92710> :)
Nov 08 02:32:42 <mwester> Move the drive to that system, make sure that you "umount" it, and run fsck on it -- say "No" to everything the first time around, just to get an idea of what might be wrong.
Nov 08 02:32:53 <mwester> Google fsck to get some real-life examples on how to use it.
Nov 08 02:33:41 <arthur92710> hum, where did I put it.....
Nov 08 02:34:07 <arthur92710> oh, will I lose any data?
Nov 08 02:35:11 <mwester> You might.  THat's why you say "no" first time through.
Nov 08 02:35:30 <mwester> Then you can decide how to try to save anything before you let it try to repair stuff.
Nov 08 02:35:39 <arthur92710> ok
Nov 08 02:35:55 <mwester> The problem is that the errors look an awful lot like disk i/o errors -- hardware.
Nov 08 02:36:19 <arthur92710> the hardware should be fine
Nov 08 02:36:28 <mwester> That's why I asked about the cable.
Nov 08 02:36:44 <arthur92710> I used it in my xbox, had all my movies and music in it
Nov 08 02:37:35 <arthur92710> oh, I have a extra usb ide adapter!
Nov 08 02:37:44 <arthur92710> just remembered
Nov 08 02:39:29 <arthur92710> yay found my knoppix
Nov 08 02:39:50 <arthur92710> the cd was unlabeled
Nov 08 02:54:59 <arthur92710> <mwester> : uh, I conected the disk to a pc running knoppix and some folders are locked,
Nov 08 02:55:21 <arthur92710> like one of my download, and my whole media folder
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