**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 02 02:59:57 2008 Dec 02 03:03:17 I honestly have no idea; I think it's a reasonably significant group. OpenWRT on the NSLU2 was featured at some shows, and the OpenWRT team stepped up to support it. Dec 02 03:03:36 So clearly it has some interest behind it. Dec 02 03:05:38 yeah it looks very nice from what I can tell with out installing it Dec 02 03:05:54 I do run OpenWrt on my Linksys router and thats nice, but limited.. not much memory on that device Dec 02 03:06:13 the Nslu2 will be sort of the same.. only more memory Dec 02 03:06:53 I find it a plus that the operating system can be self contained to the nslu2.. that is my big (COOOOOOOOOOOOOL!) about the whole thing. Dec 02 03:08:56 Solarbaby: you can try openwrt out without messing up your unslung install Dec 02 03:09:02 just unplug the hd Dec 02 03:09:13 if you want unslung back you can just reflash that Dec 02 03:09:20 plug back in the hard drive Dec 02 03:09:22 and you are good to go Dec 02 03:09:45 I had given that some thought :) Dec 02 03:10:42 I get lots of use out of my nslu2 Dec 02 03:11:03 just messing with it will be a little bit of a annoyance Dec 02 03:11:05 heh Dec 02 03:17:15 you need another one, then. Dec 02 03:27:00 I wouldn't mind getting a second one.. but for now I have one Dec 02 03:31:44 heh Dec 02 03:31:49 don't say that around DrJ Dec 02 03:31:59 he's a believer in one only Dec 02 03:32:32 that doesn't make too much sense to only have 1 of something.. as long as you have a use for 2 Dec 02 03:33:12 Look at that. You all upset DrJ so much that he just left. :p Dec 02 03:33:14 I have three of them Dec 02 03:33:24 they're all staring at me just now Dec 02 03:33:39 * mwester-laptop has two of his tied up in the basement. Dec 02 03:33:45 lol Dec 02 03:33:57 I figure if I had multiples.. I might leave some at other peoples houses as a gateway Dec 02 03:35:02 One of the ones in the basement is my "netslug" -- in addition to dhcp, tftp, dns, and all that, it's my OpenVPN gateway into the home network when I'm travelling. Works great. Dec 02 03:35:44 what os are you running on them? Dec 02 03:35:53 OpenVPN is one of the tasks I wanted to try out.. I've used SSH Tunneling before.. and that always worked out nicely for Surfing from Coffee Shops Dec 02 03:36:04 That one still runs Unslung. I run SlugOS on most of them. Dec 02 03:36:31 which OS's are the most secure? Dec 02 03:37:05 I would have to guess, nobody has (as far as I know) evaluated that. Dec 02 03:37:44 I would guess that openwrt is the most secure, SlugOS can be made just as secure, and I wouldn't put Unslung on the internet for anything. Dec 02 03:37:47 that's all anybody could do Dec 02 03:37:49 is guess Dec 02 03:38:44 Yeah.. my unslung is 2 years old.. so yeah im pretty worried about that :) Dec 02 03:38:59 OpenWrt does sound like the right choice for me Dec 02 03:39:32 I'd kinda miss being able to install a bunch of applications though.. I fear once I put samba in there its going to be pretty cramped for space Dec 02 03:40:10 OpenWRT supports an external disk device, like a memory stick. Dec 02 03:40:53 that may work for me Dec 02 06:46:58 does DrJ do memory upgrades for Nslu? Dec 02 06:47:18 that 256 meg upgrade looks nice Dec 02 06:48:00 Solarbaby: if you find someone who does, please tell me... and if you do find someone, it probably won't be cheap.... Dec 02 06:48:30 your probably right about that.. I will try to remember you *IF* I do Dec 02 06:49:02 thank you... Dec 02 06:50:03 i could be wrong, maybe i don't understand memory enough, but for the price, it's not cost effective when you can have a swap partition... Dec 02 06:51:56 especially since the NSLU2 is a low power & low speed processor, but i guess someone could say because the processor speed is low, that's even more of a reason not to use a swap and use ram instead... but i kind of figure anything that wants high cpu or io throughput isn't going to be crazy good or fast on a NSLU2 anyways... Dec 02 06:52:13 I'll probably never really need the memory upgrade myself.. But It would be nice to have just in case Dec 02 06:52:56 i guess that's what i kind of thought, but i just couldn't handle the price Dec 02 06:53:37 with xwindows,samba,OpenVPN,webserver, etc running extra memory would make things like this possible Dec 02 06:54:28 shrug Dec 02 06:54:55 truthfully.. I'll see if I can go the route of OpenWrt.. run Samba, SSH, Tinyhttp or whatever, screen and a multi chat client irc deal Dec 02 06:55:16 if I can get all that to load up from internal flash memory then im pretty good.. Oh and maybe no-ip.com Dec 02 06:55:39 the multi chat client might be a bad idea Dec 02 06:55:46 some experts may chime in, unless you're an expert Dec 02 06:56:07 might really waste the internal flash.. so I might give up on using it for that like I used to do with Unslung Dec 02 06:56:33 I'm not an expert in anything Dec 02 06:58:33 i *think* the more someone wants the NSLU2 to act like a regular-class server, the more that person will be disappointed with the speed and throughput of the device Dec 02 06:59:08 are you using debian or SluOS? Dec 02 06:59:10 I've never been dissapointed by the Nslu.. it's done everything exactly as well as I had ever hoped Dec 02 06:59:16 SlugOS Dec 02 06:59:30 my install is 2 years old.. its time to do something new Dec 02 06:59:31 what are kind of servers are you running now on it? Dec 02 06:59:46 seeing as OpenWrt is probably the most secure today.. I will go with that Dec 02 07:00:28 Samba is the main use.. it feeds videos to my xbox's.. However.. I always used to enjoy running bitlbee chat client on it Dec 02 07:00:44 cool Dec 02 07:00:51 I had lots of fun installing various new toys here and there.. but really samba and chat clients and torrenting was the main deal Dec 02 07:00:57 you're going to install OpenWRT on your slug? Dec 02 07:01:08 Yup Dec 02 07:01:26 for fun? or because you think it's more secure? Dec 02 07:02:04 2 reasons.. 1 yes I think it may be more secure.. 2. I like the idea of it not needing a hard drive for its operating system Dec 02 07:02:28 it kills me how out of date it is today Dec 02 07:03:04 like, you want to run OpenWRT all off of flash? Dec 02 07:03:16 so when I do attach hard drives to it.. when they aren't being used they should fall right asleep.. and save a bunch of power Dec 02 07:03:23 Yes Dec 02 07:04:17 i think there is some debate on whether or not people should sleep their drives, because supposedly they will die faster, i haven't been able to figure out if this is true or not Dec 02 07:04:48 I will wear them out faster then they will die from sleep mode Dec 02 07:05:11 besides.. in 2 years I will replace them for something larger.. its the way it works Dec 02 07:05:35 shrug Dec 02 07:05:51 there are links to the spinup failure issue on the nslu2-linux.org site... Dec 02 07:05:53 media drives dont last long.. when you collect lots of media they run out of space quickly Dec 02 07:06:09 Hmmm Dec 02 07:06:22 Failure wasn't something I was considering Dec 02 07:07:00 err Dec 02 07:07:19 hard drive failure due to spinup/spindown Dec 02 07:07:39 yeah that would suck Dec 02 07:08:15 I've never even considered using OpenWRT as my OS for the NSLU2, cause it's not directly connected to the net, and cause I would guess SlugOS is better, but now I'm wondering... Dec 02 07:08:39 however... I use a flash drive as my root drive for SlugOS, have you ever considered that? Dec 02 07:08:48 I think OpenWrt has more current support Dec 02 07:08:53 IM guessing Dec 02 07:09:02 so I hope nobody gets upset with my comment there Dec 02 07:09:16 everyone's asleep i'm guessing Dec 02 07:09:31 I have an 8 gig usb stick sitting around doing nothing Dec 02 07:09:41 nice Dec 02 07:09:51 or you could try debian on the slug too Dec 02 07:10:15 Ok one of the reasons I really like OpenWrt is because they make their installs tiny Dec 02 07:10:18 I think thats excellent Dec 02 07:10:48 so if I did run that on a 8 gig usb stick.. I'd have endless options Dec 02 07:10:58 lots of downloading room Dec 02 07:11:07 basic storage Dec 02 07:11:15 Debian sounds interesting Dec 02 07:11:20 yeah Dec 02 07:11:26 you mus be really bored =) Dec 02 07:11:39 I know everything already works as is Dec 02 07:11:49 and its been working as is for 2 years Dec 02 07:12:44 so you want to break it? and then fix it? =) Dec 02 07:12:51 No Dec 02 07:12:53 no breaky Dec 02 07:13:17 basicly I just think the OS is kinda out dated.. its been on there for 2 years already Dec 02 07:13:32 but you'll probably hit some roadblocks or transition/migration issues, right? Dec 02 07:13:43 i'm just bugging with you, it's all good ;-) Dec 02 07:13:45 I'm affraid to open port 22 on the firewall and expose it to the internet Dec 02 07:14:27 eeek, I would never expose my NSLU2 to the net, I'd much rather go the route I thought you were going towards before, using a OpenWRT router as an OpenVPN firewall Dec 02 07:14:33 seeing as OpenWrt is ment for routers it seems secure Dec 02 07:14:52 I do have an OpenWrt router :) Dec 02 07:14:58 WRT-54G? Dec 02 07:15:05 Yes Sir Dec 02 07:15:08 me too Dec 02 07:15:24 it has very limited resources so its the basic install for now Dec 02 07:15:28 but mines like a WRT-54GS v4 Dec 02 07:15:42 if I remember that one is limited as well Dec 02 07:15:52 yep, but not as limited as v5 I think... Dec 02 07:16:12 or something, I just remember there's a more limited version than the 1 I have Dec 02 07:16:24 I gotta figure out that whole OpenVPN thing.. that should be awesome Dec 02 07:16:53 I've done SSH Tunneling before.. thats easy and fast Dec 02 07:16:57 yeah, VPNs can be fugly, but if OpenVPN is compatible with your other endpoint, than that will be easier and better Dec 02 07:17:21 ohh, I need to try SSH tunneling... you do that with the NSLU2? Dec 02 07:17:30 Yup I have Dec 02 07:17:37 You can do it with your router too Dec 02 07:18:11 just open up ssh in the firewall.. and ssh into your router when your at a coffee shop.. configure firefox for an ssh proxy and your tunneling!! Dec 02 07:18:32 does it only require like openssh? Dec 02 07:18:38 on the nslu2 Dec 02 07:18:39 there are documents all over the internet to describe the details but really it isn't much more then just that Dec 02 07:18:42 yup Dec 02 07:19:07 really the nslu isn't even necessary since your have that that linksys router with OpenWrt Dec 02 07:19:14 ssh tunneling only allows you to foward 1 port though, right? Dec 02 07:20:08 when I have ssh tunneled in the passed.. it was rigged up so that anything my web browser did, was being tunneled through ssh Dec 02 07:20:16 hmmm Dec 02 07:20:17 I could have also gotten gaim tunneled in the same way, and an email client too Dec 02 07:21:02 so like, rather than use the net connection you were tunneling with, you were using your home net connection to surf? Dec 02 07:21:02 If OpenVPN blows this away I'll start using that Dec 02 07:21:18 thats right Dec 02 07:21:35 but you didn't like, use samba through ssh tunneling? Dec 02 07:21:54 that way no prying eyes.. all they see is some random port number (whatever you assign ssh to ) and 1 solid stream of gibberish Dec 02 07:22:07 hehehehehehehe, right on! Dec 02 07:22:20 actually I've used Samba through a terminal window.. it wasn't very friendly Dec 02 07:22:38 k Dec 02 07:23:04 if OpenVPN gives me the ability to stream through samba.. videos and stuff that would just me intense Dec 02 07:23:44 I think it should, but your home uplink speed may limit what's possible in realtime Dec 02 07:23:57 always Dec 02 07:24:33 I think, the people here will suggest to use Debian rather than OpenWRT on your NSLU2... Dec 02 07:24:42 might work for mp3s at least and photos.. my tv shows are 233 megs a piece so that might be a little laggy Dec 02 07:24:45 but I'm interested to hear what the experts say Dec 02 07:25:12 as of 2 years ago most of the developers here were using debian Dec 02 07:25:17 so I'd see why they would say that Dec 02 07:25:42 actually Debian prolly rules! but im not sure its what I need yet Dec 02 07:25:51 my issue with debian, is that, the to get it all on there takes so long Dec 02 07:26:42 I think Openwrt will be a pretty fast install.. so long as I keep it slim it should do the few things I want pretty easily.. Samba might suck though.. I'll save my old configs and see if that helps Dec 02 07:27:44 oh yeah, OpenWRT is just a flash upgrade/re-write Dec 02 07:29:12 I've got a 750 gig drive hooked up to the nslu2 now.. my xbox's use samba to access it. XBMC (Media Player) scraped all the movie and tv show info, and created a very nice database.. it relies on its exact directory structure and samba share name and everything to access what the library knows is there.. so once I start fucking with this.. I may have to bite the bullet and re create the entire tv and movie database again if I ca Dec 02 07:30:05 is your 750 gig drive your root bootup device also? Dec 02 07:30:12 sure is Dec 02 07:30:33 I've since purchased a Terrabyte drive that I'll replace the other drive with Dec 02 07:30:51 see, that's one of the things I try to stay away from, combining data drives and os drives, don't even like it if it's on a separate partition Dec 02 07:31:09 I know what you mean Dec 02 07:31:17 makes it harder to backup the OS drive Dec 02 07:31:27 so with my setup, my flash drive is my os drive, and it's super nice Dec 02 07:31:39 I use Acronis to backup linux and windows OS's its alot like Ghost Dec 02 07:31:40 and i can just image the flash drive and have a backup Dec 02 07:31:53 Yeah exactly Dec 02 07:32:34 and if i want to re install the os, i don't have to be afraid of knowing partitions, as long as i don't partition the wrong drive, but physically removing the data drives prevents it Dec 02 07:33:10 :) Dec 02 07:33:30 i'm poor and i wish i had a terabyte drive... i just purchased a new toy, but probably shouldn't have... but i had to... Dec 02 07:33:36 or at least i really wanted to Dec 02 07:33:56 terrabyte only costed me $150 bout 2 months ago.. on sale Dec 02 07:34:13 ide or sata? Dec 02 07:34:16 USB,FireWire,ESata Dec 02 07:34:26 fucker has everything Dec 02 07:34:30 woah Dec 02 07:35:06 so, Solarbaby, do u use windows or linux as your main operating system? Dec 02 07:35:15 both Dec 02 07:35:54 k Dec 02 07:35:59 my laptop is a Asus EEE PC 1000H and it has WindowsXp and Ubuntu... Dec 02 07:36:06 nice Dec 02 07:36:15 Its a happy little system Dec 02 07:36:36 my 2 desktops run XP.. because I use them for compiling video.. thats pretty much their full time purpose.. besides being a web browser Dec 02 07:36:48 hmmmm Dec 02 07:36:50 coool Dec 02 07:37:28 I have 3 brand new copies of Vista Ultimate.. I dont know what to do with them Dec 02 07:37:41 I know I should install 1 and learn it.. but I dont really want too Dec 02 07:38:09 I kinda want to hate windows.. even though I can never escape it completely Dec 02 07:39:46 * scant thinks Solarbaby should give him 1 =) Dec 02 07:40:23 so does a few others Dec 02 07:41:10 I agree, most can't escape Windows, one of my working skills is computer troubleshooting, but I don't know much about Vista Dec 02 07:52:52 same here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 03 02:59:56 2008