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Jan 11 03:05:32 <mwester-laptop> scant: libusb_0.0.0 is a dummy package that just pulls in and builds libusb1 and libusb1-compat.
Jan 11 03:05:47 <mwester-laptop> the old libusb is gone.  history.  forever removed.
Jan 11 03:08:07 <scant> do you know how to get saned and libusb working together in SlugOS 5.2-alpha?
Jan 11 03:09:01 <mwester-laptop> nope, didn't know there was a problem.  how have distros like debian or fedora addressed the issue?  We're pretty much up to that level in terms of upstream package versions and all.
Jan 11 03:13:04 <scant> on the DSM-G600 I was able to get SANE working with libusb version 0.1.12 and not using libusb-compat or libusb-1.0, this was before the EABI switch
Jan 11 03:13:50 <scant> i thought you had also observed libusb-compat not working with SANE in SlugOS
Jan 11 03:14:49 <mwester-laptop> There was an issue with the old version of udev that was fixed since then.
Jan 11 03:15:01 <scant> oh...
Jan 11 03:15:19 <mwester-laptop> And there was a problem where libusb1 and libusb were both being built for SlugOS -- but they conflict.
Jan 11 03:15:45 <mwester-laptop> That also was fixed, in favor of the newer libusb1 and the compatibility library libusb-compat.
Jan 11 03:16:28 <mwester-laptop> There are known issues with some software (gnuradio for example) with libusb-compat, but supposedly it is supposed to be completely compatible with the original libusb-0 stuff.
Jan 11 03:17:01 <mwester-laptop> So, do you know for sure that saned is one of those packages that breaks with the newer libusb1?
Jan 11 03:17:14 <scant> that's what i've observed
Jan 11 03:17:43 <mwester-laptop> And what sort of symptoms do you see that lead you to that conclusion?
Jan 11 03:18:02 <scant> before the switch to EABI
Jan 11 03:18:52 <scant> if I removed libusb-1.0 and libusb-compat, and installed libusb-0.1.12, SANE worked
Jan 11 03:21:26 <scant> I get libusb-compat errors now
Jan 11 03:22:13 <scant> I'll eventually try to install an old version of libusb and see it works with SANE
Jan 11 03:27:27 <mwester-laptop> You'll need to build an old version of libusb in order to do that, of course.
Jan 11 03:28:39 <scant> i think..... i hope .... it will be easy to do that
Jan 11 03:36:09 <mwester-laptop> before you do that, you might like to try to download the latest development snapshots of saned to see if that works with the newer libusb1.  Going forward is preferable to going backwards.
Jan 11 03:38:32 <scant> good idea
Jan 11 06:06:06 <ropetin> Hey all, I just reinstalled Lenny on my slug, and It's pretty slow and unstable.  I think it's because I keep getting bunches of 'reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 1' messages from the USB HDD.  Google doesn't really offer too much.  Any ideas?
Jan 11 06:14:10 <mwester> use externally-powered HDD, or a powered USB hub, and try a new USB cable -- you can also try a new NSLU2 PSU.
Jan 11 06:15:29 <ropetin> mwester: I'm using an externally power HDD, so does that cover me for using a powered hub?  New cable?  Really, cool!
Jan 11 06:15:38 <ropetin> Does it matter if I'm in the top or bottom USB port?
Jan 11 06:18:51 <mwester> I can't imagine it would matter; I don't think debian does anything to the kernel that would make a difference.  But I don't know debian.
Jan 11 06:19:37 <mwester> All I know is that they use silly names so that you have absolutely no idea if a Lenny is the latest, is a beta, an alpha, or five years old!
Jan 11 06:20:17 <mwester> But if it's a 2.6 kernel, the ports should be the same.
Jan 11 06:20:52 <ropetin> It's the latest version that's about to become their stable version
Jan 11 06:21:08 <ropetin> And thanks for the help, I'll check out a new cable and see if it helps
Jan 11 06:21:23 <mwester> Ah, so there might be some instability in the kernel yet, I suppose.
Jan 11 06:21:54 <ropetin> Could be I guess, I will try Etch again if the new cable doesn't work
Jan 11 18:48:55 <Daluv_> Hi,  is there a way to turnup an existing partition withotu reformating?
Jan 11 18:49:31 <Daluv_> for some reason, my / got corrupted.  I fsck'd it but openslug refuses to boot it.
Jan 11 18:59:41 <NSLU2-IRC> Hello I have a question...
Jan 11 19:01:13 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: no.  you'll need to compare the flash rootfs with the corrupted one to figure out what's broken, and how to fix it.
Jan 11 19:01:46 <NSLU2-IRC> ??
Jan 11 19:02:20 <NSLU2-IRC> are responding to me or did i walk in on something?
Jan 11 19:03:57 <Lunar_Lamp> NSLU2-IRC: he was responding to Daluv_ 
Jan 11 19:04:05 <NSLU2-IRC> oh...
Jan 11 19:04:22 <Lunar_Lamp> You haven't asked a question yet ;-p
Jan 11 19:04:47 <NSLU2-IRC> I'm little rusty.. I have a quick and hope fully easy question
Jan 11 19:04:59 <NSLU2-IRC> here it is
Jan 11 19:05:48 <NSLU2-IRC> I have an Nslu2 (obviously) with R73 pre installed, i was thinking of putting on Debien
Jan 11 19:07:09 <NSLU2-IRC> But when I go to all the componenst to do the install via Windows I can't get the Intel ixp400 npe microcode from the Intel website it comes back everytime page not found
Jan 11 19:07:59 <NSLU2-IRC> I've been trying google and varous sources to get from a 3rd party but all of them refernce intels dead links
Jan 11 19:08:55 <Daluv_> mwester-laptop: is there an how to I can follow? I tried turnup disk /dev/sda2 with no luck (sda2 was working before..)
Jan 11 19:09:04 <Daluv_> how-to I mean
Jan 11 19:10:03 <Daluv_> or uhm maybe something went wrong in my ipkg update... I wonder if there is any kind of log of the boot?
Jan 11 19:13:04 <NSLU2-IRC> is this an odd question?
Jan 11 19:13:18 <NSLU2-IRC> or did i miss something
Jan 11 19:13:48 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: no how-to for such a thing.
Jan 11 19:14:18 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: ipkg update should have printed out what it was doing; did you save the terminal log?
Jan 11 19:14:29 <NSLU2-IRC> well "How Do" I aquire the file then?
Jan 11 19:14:57 <mwester-laptop> NSLU2-IRC: yes, I think you missed something.  Why do you need that, since as far as I know it is part of the image when you install.
Jan 11 19:15:23 <NSLU2-IRC> It seems like everybody referance this ixp400 software, but nobody bother to keep a copy for them selves
Jan 11 19:15:56 <mwester-laptop> NSLU2-IRC: The Intel software is protected by an Intel license agreement, and anyone who distributes it may be in violation of that agreement. 
Jan 11 19:16:36 <Daluv_> mwest: inf act, I tried to install mediatomb that was in the unstable directory.
Jan 11 19:17:15 <mwester-laptop> NSLU2-IRC: but if you download the correct .bin Debian image, you do not need to load that file; it's already in the .bin file.
Jan 11 19:18:11 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: the unstable feeds switched over to EABI which is compatible ONLY with SlugOS 5.2 (development)... it's very likely that the attempt to upgrade would have pulled in all sorts of EABI development libraries, which are not compatible with your system. 
Jan 11 19:18:21 <mwester-laptop> The unstable feeds are "unstable" for a reason...
Jan 11 19:18:53 <Daluv_> mwester: ok I will switch back with ipkg to stable I guess
Jan 11 19:19:00 <Daluv_> -o blabla
Jan 11 19:19:12 <Daluv_> I wish I can force that.
Jan 11 19:19:31 <Appocomaster> I'm having fun trying to share files with a windows pc over a network  with samba using my slug :(  
Jan 11 19:20:35 <Daluv_> mwester-laptop: I have added a unstable.conf to my ipkg directory.  Is there a way I can go back to a stable because I think it has updated all package to unstable.
Jan 11 19:21:21 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: it's a little late now; ipkg won't work on that image.  You might be able to find all of the libraries and binaries in the flash rootfs /lib, /usr/lib, /bin, etc that don't match and manually copy them...
Jan 11 19:22:09 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: do you read the nslu2-linux or nslu2-developers mailing list?  Warnings about the use of the unstable feeds have been posted multiple times, in order to avoid this sort of occurence.
Jan 11 19:22:37 <Daluv_> mwester-laptop: so I guess I should backup what I have and start from scratch now right?
Jan 11 19:23:01 <mwester-laptop> That would be my suggestion -- that's the only reliable way to return to a known good system.
Jan 11 19:23:18 <Daluv_> ok then I wont be able to have mediatomb :(
Jan 11 19:23:53 <Daluv_> all I needed is to add UPnP server 
Jan 11 19:23:53 <mwester-laptop> Is it not in the stable feeds, or the optware feeds, then?
Jan 11 19:24:04 <NSLU2-IRC> when I went the debien guide to install via and ethernet port in windows these are the files i was told to get "unoffical" imgae , which them tells me to the the intell software
Jan 11 19:24:24 <Daluv_> mwester-laptop: to use the optware feed? I add a .conf pointing to optware?
Jan 11 19:24:42 <Daluv_> Im not quite how the different vesion works with the optware...
Jan 11 19:24:45 <Daluv_> sure that is.
Jan 11 19:24:49 <mwester-laptop> NSLU2-IRC: check the wiki (mentioned in the topic above) to find where the prepackaged debian installers might be.
Jan 11 19:25:08 <NSLU2-IRC> I'm following this site: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html
Jan 11 19:25:09 <mwester-laptop> Daluv_: check the wiki (mentioned in the topic above) to find how to use the optware feeds with SlugOS ;)
Jan 11 19:25:22 <Daluv_> mwester-laptop: thanx again :)
Jan 11 19:26:25 <mwester-laptop> NSLU2-IRC: I'm not a debian user; I can't help you with that.  If you must have those files, then you'll just have to keep searching on the intel site -- nobody else has reported the files missing, although Intel may have moved them to another page, perhaps for old versions or something?
Jan 11 19:26:56 <Daluv_> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe
Jan 11 19:27:16 <Daluv_> not that simple as I guess it... that's why I went the unstable way.. :(
Jan 11 19:27:51 <NSLU2-IRC> Yea they did and it has dead links, actually every version on there site comes up as page not found
Jan 11 19:29:17 <NSLU2-IRC> Well from the standpoint of a windows user, what is the easiest version to install unslung , Slug os or debien
Jan 11 19:30:51 <Reedy> http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php - Works fine for me..
Jan 11 19:31:24 <NSLU2-IRC> I was looking at unslung, but I have R73 and I saw a post where some one complained of problems after installing unslung, most sources mention stability with R63, but I can't see point to go back if i don;t need to
Jan 11 19:33:38 <mwester-laptop> NSLU2-IRC: if you are considering Unslung and Debian to be similar, then you may wish to do a bit more research on which firmware to select!
Jan 11 19:33:52 <Reedy> lol
Jan 11 19:34:07 <Appocomaster> I use debian
Jan 11 19:34:12 <mwester-laptop> Your choice of firmware should be determined by your needs, not by which is easiest to install or by version numbers.
Jan 11 19:34:15 <Appocomaster> admittedly with file sharing and print sharing installed
Jan 11 19:34:17 <Appocomaster> it's a bit slow
Jan 11 19:34:22 <pochrist> not considering them to be similar, just looking to increase the usability of my unit
Jan 11 19:34:45 <Appocomaster> lol
Jan 11 19:34:59 <Reedy> something !Unslung does that ;)
Jan 11 19:35:46 <mwester-laptop> *** parse error: !Unslung
Jan 11 19:36:16 <Reedy> did i break something?
Jan 11 19:36:35 <mwester-laptop> no, i just can't make any sense of that line. :P
Jan 11 19:36:39 <pochrist> I was going to toos the unit in the garbage, because after i stopped using it for 3 months (powerd of and evrything) when I went to use it, it failed to show up on the nework and the setup utility coulnd't find it either
Jan 11 19:36:42 <Reedy> ! == not
Jan 11 19:38:02 <pochrist> It wasn't tilllast night on a whim I decided to try it out and see if Vista could locate it
Jan 11 19:38:03 <mwester-laptop> pochrist: Ok, so what is it that would increase the usability of the device for you, then?
Jan 11 19:40:16 <pochrist> I did a hard reset on the unit (by guessing - similar to resteing ythe PPC I have) and now it works. To answer you r question Well I read everywhere how unstable the Linksys stock firmware is, so after researching
Jan 11 19:42:09 <pochrist> I founs all these new and differn't options i had, and seeing how the unit had some developed strange problem before and i almost tossed it in the garbage, i thought perhaps i should put on difern't (supposedlly suprior ) firmware on it.
Jan 11 19:42:52 <mwester-laptop> "superior" is in the eye of the beholder. 
Jan 11 19:44:20 <mwester-laptop> For example, if you expect a web GUI for management or configuration, then you will be very unhappy with Debian or SlugOS, and would probably prefer Unslung.
Jan 11 19:44:22 <pochrist> so should i be happy with the R73 and forget about it, I read that these firmware versions allow the use of USB Hubs
Jan 11 19:44:47 <mwester-laptop> pochrist: I can't tell you what you should be happy with, as you have not told anyone what you are UNHAPPY with.
Jan 11 19:45:14 <mwester-laptop> What is it that you want it to do?  
Jan 11 19:45:17 <pochrist> As far a Iknew when i 1st bought the unit it wasn't capable of that type of usage
Jan 11 19:45:34 <mwester-laptop> You just want it to work with a hub?
Jan 11 19:46:33 <mwester-laptop> All firmwares, including the Linksys R63 work with a hub, although the Linksys firmwares (and Unslung) have limitations.
Jan 11 19:46:35 <pochrist> I'd be happy to go the unslung route, but will it work with R73
Jan 11 19:47:01 <mwester-laptop>  Unslung is based on R63; there has been no compelling reason to rebase it on anything newer.
Jan 11 19:47:14 <mwester-laptop> What features of R73 do you need?
Jan 11 19:48:48 <pochrist> well I don't know, I like to know more options then I have if i need them, you know extend the usefull ness of my Nslu2
Jan 11 19:49:19 <mwester-laptop> Every firmware will offer more options than the Linksys firmware.
Jan 11 19:49:22 <pochrist> Yes i like to tinker
Jan 11 19:51:03 <pochrist> well if the simplest one for me Unslung - and its based on R63, does that mean I have to revert or it should work under R73
Jan 11 19:51:25 <pochrist> Or am i confued and it Replaces R73
Jan 11 19:51:54 <mwester-laptop> All firmwares *completely* replace the firmware on the device.
Jan 11 19:52:28 <pochrist> Ah.. Thats what i thought
Jan 11 19:52:30 <mwester-laptop> Most of them will attempt to retain the important network settings; unslung will attempt to retain as much of your original Linksys settings as it can.
Jan 11 19:52:52 <mwester-laptop> But in general it will be a complete "start-over" each time you replace the firmware.
Jan 11 19:54:46 <pochrist> I was browseing over the procedure to move to unslung, but it seemed to point to haveing a Linux PC as the est way to install it, Is there a "simple" way to do Via a Windows PC 
Jan 11 19:55:14 <scant> what's R73?
Jan 11 19:55:58 <pochrist> Revsion 73 of the NSLU2 units stock firware
Jan 11 19:55:58 <mwester-laptop> pochrist: certainly you can use Windows; the wiki will have links to the sercomm upgrade utility that you should use -- DO NOT use the Linksys EraseAll utility; it has bricked units in the past.
Jan 11 19:56:36 <pochrist> got ya
Jan 11 19:57:32 <pochrist> thanks for the guidence
Jan 11 19:58:50 <pochrist> Is there a way to back up my stock firmware, if I decide to go back, the Linksys site does even show my Current verion on there site
Jan 11 19:59:26 <pochrist> it shows R50 somthing
Jan 11 20:01:04 <pochrist>  2.3 Release 29
Jan 11 20:01:49 <pochrist> I don't know why they wouldn't post there latest
Jan 11 20:07:37 <pochrist> Well.... anybody?
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