**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 24 02:59:58 2011 Nov 24 04:31:15 blah, i figured it out. the date was off and PAM wanted me to reset the password before i could login via ssh. i just disabled pam use in passwd and i could login again. Nov 24 04:31:18 thanks anyway Nov 24 05:58:35 well Nov 24 05:58:51 this synology ds411j kind of has quite a few flaws Nov 24 05:59:15 the most noticable being not allowing the setting of a default grp for new users Nov 24 05:59:40 and the ui vs term privs are horrible Nov 24 05:59:55 you HAVE to go in and chmod a lot manually Nov 24 10:21:22 sorry. i know someone gave me a link about adding pkgs to the ipkg repos Nov 24 10:21:31 can i get it again.. i kind of closed irssi on the synology :) Nov 24 10:22:01 is there a better suited irc # for this as well? i think i might need help in creating a proper startup script for the pkg Nov 24 10:22:45 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Nov 24 10:22:48 i'm guessing that is it? Nov 24 11:29:31 Macer: yup that's it. checking my logs form yesterday http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Nov 24 11:30:14 thanks Nov 24 11:30:27 sorry. i am still tweaking the synology Nov 24 11:30:32 just got bind up and running on it :) Nov 24 11:31:01 the memory restriction on the ds411j is killer Nov 24 11:31:21 but then again i suppose i used to run linux boxes with 1 4MB simm Nov 24 11:31:30 so 128MB should be enough :) Nov 24 11:31:39 when did linux get so bloated? Nov 24 15:39:33 nice Nov 24 15:39:38 so everything is done via svn? Nov 24 15:39:49 hopefully most pkgs are just simple makes and i can add some pkgs to the repo :) Nov 24 15:57:07 hm i am a little confused abut these optware directions. it explains how going to dir/optware ; make will build cross compiling utils Nov 24 15:57:20 whic i understand if i were using an x86 but i plan on trying to build native on the synology Nov 24 15:57:32 so are these steps really necessary? :) Nov 24 16:01:59 C Compiler can not make executables Nov 24 16:02:11 wtf? :) blah. i will just go ahead an try this on an x86 box Nov 24 16:27:56 Macer, you will not have enough memory on your synology to build most of the interesting packages. Cross compile is the only realistic way to do it. Nov 24 16:28:31 (And Linux became so bloated when the community decided that instead of being *linux*, it should become a Windows-look-alike. Nov 24 16:28:31 ) Nov 24 16:28:54 So now we need 128MB for an *EMBEDDED* computer anymore! Nov 24 17:14:36 alrighty. well.. i managed to write a startup script for oidentd Nov 24 17:15:10 i just need to figure out how to pkg it up :) the instructions on the site are for cross compiling etc.. are there instructions for native building? Nov 24 17:15:18 the synology seems to build natively quite well Nov 24 19:38:58 hm Nov 24 19:39:06 this synology is kind of retarded Nov 24 19:39:11 in the way it does the privs Nov 24 19:39:37 i seriously don't understand what is going on with the way you can't change a user's default group from users to something else Nov 24 19:39:43 i suppose you can do it manually but that's just dumb Nov 24 19:59:44 Macer: the toolchain a target uses is controlled by optware/platforms/toolchain-.mk Nov 24 20:00:00 look in the corresponding file Nov 24 20:00:38 there might be native toolchain support in some of the files Nov 24 20:00:57 * for some of the platforms Nov 24 20:01:12 but I don't do native compilation much any more Nov 24 20:02:05 I only compile natively when I suspect there might be a problem in cross compilation autotool dectection Nov 24 20:02:11 i see. thank you.. when i get the x86 set up i will just cross compile Nov 24 20:02:15 yes. thre was Nov 24 20:02:34 yeah, that might be easier in the long run Nov 24 20:02:51 i was hoping there may be some sort of built in ipkg function to pkg Nov 24 20:03:04 I used to even setup distcc to build with native toolchain and cross toolchain together Nov 24 20:03:26 look at optware/make/template.mk or optware/make/hello.ipk Nov 24 20:04:16 irssi needs its deps fixed for perl Nov 24 20:04:42 if you follow the template, for most packages you can just "make -ipk" Nov 24 20:04:46 thank you. i will look at the examples. hopefully i can just stay on the native box otherwise i have the means to cross compile if necessary Nov 24 20:05:04 yes but that would require adding to the svn tree Nov 24 20:05:13 what deps need to be fixed for irssi? Nov 24 20:05:15 and i suppose then i would have to request dev status to upload it Nov 24 20:05:21 perl Nov 24 20:05:27 at least on the synology it does Nov 24 20:05:45 ipkg does not install perl when installing irssi and an error is received when trying to run irssi unless perl is installed Nov 24 20:06:09 just a missing dep. after manually instaling perl it works fine Nov 24 20:07:17 sorry to be bothersome. it is just that i recently replaced a 300W server for a 30W synology and i am somewhat excited that it can do some of the funcitons it can do Nov 24 20:07:30 k, I remember perl is optional for irssi, maybe the build brings in perl unnecessarily Nov 24 20:07:33 although i was disappointed at its speed. which i suppose is being bottlenecked by its cpu and ram Nov 24 20:08:07 yes. irssi in the repo was built with perl support which requires perl as a dep but perl is not listed as a dep when installing it Nov 24 20:08:08 svn tree is not an issue, it's mostly just disk space Nov 24 20:08:33 I was hoping the perl support is dynamic (shared lib) Nov 24 20:08:40 but I might be wrong Nov 24 20:08:44 so i suppose the two choices are remove perl support or add it as a dep? Nov 24 20:09:08 for now, yes Nov 24 20:09:14 i would guess removing the support would be better for smaller embedded devices Nov 24 20:09:39 ideally, would involve looking at if it's possible to build with perl dynamic (shlib) support Nov 24 20:09:40 i know a few people who are really stretching out what their old wrt54g can do :) Nov 24 20:10:20 which feed are you using? Nov 24 20:10:37 well. thanks for the help. when i get the chance i will take a look at the examples and see if i can make a meaningful pkg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 25 02:59:57 2011