**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 23:59:56 2005 Feb 13 00:40:45 ghgh Feb 13 00:50:53 * rwhitby-away starts a make distclean all upload on builds and prodslug .... Feb 13 01:30:48 Hi rwhitby-away Feb 13 01:30:52 u there? Feb 13 01:37:25 morning Feb 13 02:03:57 garpinc: I'm around ... Feb 13 02:59:56 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libjpeg.mk: Fixed the staging man directory. Feb 13 03:35:04 jbot: test Feb 13 03:35:06 Passed Feb 13 03:35:40 ~botsnack Feb 13 03:35:40 aw, gee, rwhitby-away Feb 13 04:06:58 /nick gcosendai Feb 13 04:07:22 hello Feb 13 04:11:03 ok i can boot from hdd now Feb 13 04:11:11 and i succeeded one time Feb 13 04:11:19 but now it seems to boot but dropbear won't come up Feb 13 04:11:35 oh, now it does Feb 13 04:11:38 hm, flakey Feb 13 04:12:33 giel, I had the same slow-dropbear-startup-problem. reason was a readonly-root, causing dropbear to re-create the keys at each startup. Feb 13 04:14:22 ah ok Feb 13 04:14:37 i do mount the root filesystem rw in my linuxrc, for testing purposes Feb 13 04:14:58 maybe if i mount it ro in linuxrc it doesn't get remounted rw Feb 13 04:15:09 thanks, that might be it Feb 13 04:15:31 np Feb 13 04:19:26 03djf * 10unslung/sources/weechat/control: initial checkin Feb 13 04:20:00 03djf * 10unslung/make/weechat.mk: initial checkin - builds and packages native Feb 13 04:26:50 okay, after booting up after pivot_rooting, it's adviceable to unmount initrd and freeramdisk /dev/ram0 Feb 13 04:36:13 hm, anybody knows anything about making gcc run with -mcpu=xscale in OE? Feb 13 04:36:22 i mean, where do i set those options? Feb 13 04:50:07 and why is swapper taking all my cpu time? what is swapper anyway? Feb 13 05:09:16 <[cc]smart> somebody knows a working source for upslug ? Feb 13 05:09:55 <[cc]smart> accessability opf sourcecode that is Feb 13 05:11:42 unslung CVS repository, module is upslug Feb 13 05:14:15 <[cc]smart> thx Feb 13 05:18:38 I've updated http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/UpSlug Feb 13 05:28:37 <[cc]smart> nice, openslug has made good progress since my last update :) Feb 13 05:39:37 <[cc]smart> how can i vote for the PL2303 driver to be included in the usbserial ipkg ? Feb 13 05:50:49 <[cc]smart> i remember there was a discussion about kernel and endianness Feb 13 05:51:03 <[cc]smart> is that something that could manifet in userspace ? Feb 13 05:51:39 <[cc]smart> cause i have an app here that behaves like it could have such problems, failing to to succeed with its network protocol Feb 13 06:10:14 <[cc]smart> "failing to succeed" .... sometimes im writing complete numb stuff .... Feb 13 06:21:20 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): split into 3 packages: base, doc, devel Feb 13 06:54:52 and why doesn't my rootfs get remounted rw Feb 13 06:59:11 giel, good question, I also didn't figure that out. I ended up adding a remount somewhere in mountall.sh Feb 13 07:34:55 siddy: i've fixed it Feb 13 07:35:29 ah, cool. where was the bug? Feb 13 07:35:51 well, it's not a bug as so as the bb implementation of sh i guess Feb 13 07:35:56 not really sure Feb 13 07:36:12 but edit /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh and remove the two "exec" lines Feb 13 07:36:27 and change the done of the first while loop in "done < /etc/fstab: Feb 13 07:36:29 :=" Feb 13 07:36:37 more info here http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-8.html Feb 13 07:36:51 k, thx! Feb 13 08:26:47 03kin-kwok * 10unslung/ (make/samba.mk sources/samba/control): fix slugbug# 92 add depends Feb 13 08:29:13 I am a total newbee, where can I go if I have questions about a certain package that I am trying to get to run on my NLSU? Feb 13 08:29:20 rwhitby-away hi... Feb 13 08:29:58 Oh ur sleeping now.. Feb 13 08:33:43 PeterRoubos which certain package? Feb 13 08:34:14 Garpinc giFT, it doesnt want to run :( Feb 13 08:34:33 <[cc]smart> for openslug, is there an easier way to booting from root than to modify linuxrc ? Feb 13 08:34:47 <[cc]smart> eh, booting from hd as root Feb 13 08:34:55 I can help you with that... But after I help you maybe you can create a gift How to Wiki... Deal? Feb 13 08:35:39 Yep, but don't expect me to make that within a day, gimme a week ok (so mucht work to do :) Feb 13 08:35:56 Sure... Ok what have you done so far? Feb 13 08:36:16 installed giFT, and all depending packages... Feb 13 08:36:27 Did you install any pluging? Feb 13 08:36:42 Yep FastTrack Feb 13 08:37:09 Did you create a .giFT directory in you home? Feb 13 08:37:40 nope Feb 13 08:37:53 Well it can't possibly run then... Feb 13 08:38:21 I created a giftuser to run the daemone as? Feb 13 08:38:34 Do you want to do that or just run it as root? Feb 13 08:38:40 ok, i tried to install it as root Feb 13 08:38:54 That's fine... Your preference... Feb 13 08:38:55 so there's where I went wrong allready I guess Feb 13 08:39:17 But I cant get the setup to run Feb 13 08:39:17 Let's go with root for now you can change it later... Feb 13 08:39:41 ok Feb 13 08:39:57 First edit less /opt/share/giFT/giftd.conf.template Feb 13 08:40:55 Read each config item and change... The first one is obviously stopping you from doing anything... Feb 13 08:41:18 ok Feb 13 08:41:25 Finished? Feb 13 08:41:29 so it must be turned to 1 Feb 13 08:41:36 Of course... Feb 13 08:43:20 ok Feb 13 08:43:32 REad and change all the settings? Feb 13 08:43:37 yep Feb 13 08:43:50 TRy to run it and see what happens... Feb 13 08:44:02 ok gimme a second or 2 Feb 13 08:44:53 *** ERROR: Your setup is incomplete *** Feb 13 08:45:21 Is that diff than b4... Feb 13 08:45:52 nope the same Feb 13 08:46:12 You will need to run gift-setup and be sure that you read absolutely Feb 13 08:46:26 but how do i run gift-setup Feb 13 08:46:41 Unfortunetely you need perl for that so we'll do it manually.. Feb 13 08:46:44 when i do ./gift-setup it says no such file or directory Feb 13 08:46:51 ok Feb 13 08:46:57 Create ~/.giFT directory Feb 13 08:47:25 ok im lost, how do I do that (newbee) Feb 13 08:47:40 mkdir ... Feb 13 08:47:53 yes Feb 13 08:48:05 first type bash Feb 13 08:48:08 ok Feb 13 08:48:14 then type mkidr ~/.giFT Feb 13 08:48:20 mkdir Feb 13 08:49:13 Done? Feb 13 08:49:19 ok, did that, but when I dont think I have Bash installed... Feb 13 08:49:33 but did the mkdir... Feb 13 08:49:38 ok instead type mkdir $HOME/.giFT Feb 13 08:50:06 Then: cp /opt/share/giFT/giftd.conf.template $HOME/.giFT/giftd.conf Feb 13 08:51:10 Then: mkdir $HOME/.gift/FastTrack Feb 13 08:51:21 cp: /opt/share/giFT/gift.conf.template: No such file or directory Feb 13 08:51:45 Didn't you just edit that file? Feb 13 08:51:51 yep... Feb 13 08:51:55 let me see Feb 13 08:53:08 Should be : /opt/share/giFT/giftd.conf.template Feb 13 08:53:37 giftd.conf.template instead of gift.conf.template Feb 13 08:54:36 ok copied Feb 13 08:54:49 Did you create fasttrack dir? Feb 13 08:55:07 yep just now Feb 13 08:55:30 and I meant there $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack Feb 13 08:56:06 yep its there Feb 13 08:56:50 Ok next: cp /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf.template $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf Feb 13 08:57:49 Done... Feb 13 08:58:07 wait a second Feb 13 08:59:00 cp: unable to open `//.giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf Feb 13 09:00:44 You must have typed wrong... Paste here what you typed.. Feb 13 09:01:39 # cp /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf.template $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf Feb 13 09:02:13 type echo $HOME Feb 13 09:02:44 Then type ls $HOME/.giFT Feb 13 09:03:06 echo $HOME says / Feb 13 09:04:21 and ls -l $HOME/.giFT Feb 13 09:04:47 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Feb 13 18:00 FastTrack Feb 13 09:05:02 -rwxr----- 1 root root 7975 Feb 13 17:53 giftd.conf Feb 13 09:05:26 ok type ls -l /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf.template Feb 13 09:06:10 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1733 Feb 8 15:56 /opt/share/giFT/FastTrac Feb 13 09:06:24 k/FastTrack.conf.template Feb 13 09:06:47 Sound to me like you should be able to copy file from one dir to the other.. Feb 13 09:06:51 ? Feb 13 09:06:56 trying again Feb 13 09:08:22 ok have it there now, put share/hdd/ in front of opt/.../... Feb 13 09:08:40 so the FastTrack.conf is now in the FastTrack dir. Feb 13 09:09:42 edit that and make sure the settings you want are in there... Feb 13 09:10:11 ok, that will take a moment Feb 13 09:14:25 next copy the other 2 files in /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/ (banlist and nodes) into $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack Feb 13 09:14:44 Then start giftd and you should be all set. Feb 13 09:14:58 ok just finished editing the file Feb 13 09:16:25 All set? Feb 13 09:16:31 hang in Im slow Feb 13 09:16:40 working on 2 machines here... Feb 13 09:17:42 it looks like it's doing something... Feb 13 09:17:55 i dont get the # sign back Feb 13 09:18:04 What front end are you using? Feb 13 09:18:05 but dont get erors Feb 13 09:18:32 I suggest KCEasy for windows.. Feb 13 09:18:45 giFTwin32 Feb 13 09:18:55 and it looks like its workjiong Feb 13 09:19:03 only one wuestion more Feb 13 09:19:09 Ok great... KCEasy is better though.. Feb 13 09:19:10 question Feb 13 09:19:26 The other plugin are configured in much the same way.. Feb 13 09:19:53 I.e instead of FastTrack... Ares... or OpenNap etc... Feb 13 09:19:55 now I started Gift with ./giftd but when I disconnect my telnet sesion I think i will lose gift too Feb 13 09:20:38 can I start it so that it will still run when I am not connected via telnet? Feb 13 09:20:45 My system startup file looks like...:#!/bin/sh Feb 13 09:20:46 # The NSLU2 has already mounted /dev/sda and /dev/sdb Feb 13 09:20:46 # if type is ext2 or ext3. Feb 13 09:20:46 # We try in addition to mount vfat filesystems. Feb 13 09:20:46 # Don't worry if this fails. Feb 13 09:20:46 /bin/mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /share/hdd > /dev/null Feb 13 09:20:48 /bin/mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /share/flash > /dev/null Feb 13 09:20:50 chdir /opt Feb 13 09:20:52 sudo -u giftuser /opt/giftd -v -d --home-dir=/share/hdd/data/gift Feb 13 09:21:23 filename is /opt/etc/init.d/S97giftd Feb 13 09:21:47 To do that you'll have to install sudo.. configure etcc... Feb 13 09:22:01 But for now you can just type Cntrl C Feb 13 09:22:10 and then type nohup giftd & Feb 13 09:22:14 will it still run? Feb 13 09:22:21 ok Feb 13 09:22:26 then you will be able to exit telnet without it exiting... Feb 13 09:22:47 But next time nslu2 reboots you'll have to do that again... Feb 13 09:23:08 ok thanks again, ill go and copy and paste all of this for the Wiki. Feb 13 09:23:37 GReat.... BTW there's a bug in the Ares pluging which has been addressed and seems to work. Feb 13 09:23:54 I'm waiting for it to be promoted by rwhitby.. Feb 13 09:24:19 Causes gift to crash after a while without the fix... Feb 13 09:24:38 But so far you just have fasttrack so it will not be an issue for you now... Feb 13 09:25:23 See ya... Feb 13 09:27:37 ok copied everything.... thanks for now... Feb 13 10:08:10 is anyone using the syslog daemon on their slug to take log information from other sources on the setwork? Feb 13 10:08:25 setwork = network Feb 13 10:09:31 I just downloaded the precompiled replacemant binary pointed to from the wiki and it is a 700k + binary file. Seems big. Is that what you would expect? Feb 13 10:32:39 morning, anyone here? Feb 13 10:38:55 hi Feb 13 12:01:12 Does openslug allow us to format drives as ext3? Feb 13 12:17:28 openslug allows is everything :) Feb 13 12:17:58 i guess you can format drives with ext3 with unslung too Feb 13 12:18:15 you can ONLY format drives in ext3 under factory/unslung. Feb 13 12:18:34 well, ofcourse you can install other utils too Feb 13 12:18:53 dyoung-zzzz: do you know what the swapper process does, and why it's taking all my cpu time? Feb 13 13:12:30 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/cups.mk: Added libpng-stage. Feb 13 13:23:39 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libpng.mk: fixed broken dependency in libpng-stage Feb 13 13:34:44 garpinc: all cross packages have been rebuilt Feb 13 13:39:44 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Made NATIVE_PACKAGES only include NATIVE_ONLY_PACKAGES (to reduce the native compilation time). Feb 13 13:43:40 Hey rwhitby-zzzz Feb 13 13:43:58 r u there? Feb 13 13:44:06 yep Feb 13 13:44:23 rwhitby did you get my mesg about jamvm? Feb 13 13:44:57 yes, but zip is not used in jamvm, so I didn't understand your message. Feb 13 13:45:16 It is used to create glibj.zip Feb 13 13:47:36 So current jamvm doesn't work for anyone because that's all the compiles java classes. Feb 13 13:49:33 glibj.zip is not created in the jamvm package. So what do you mean? Feb 13 13:50:51 It's probably created in classpath package. Feb 13 13:50:53 anyway, zip was installed on builds a number of days ago, and all packages were recompiled last night, so please see if the problem is fixed Feb 13 13:51:33 ok Feb 13 13:53:19 (I recompile everyone about once a week to catch the instances where developers change things but forget to update the IPK version) Feb 13 13:54:51 and from today the native package feed will only include those packages which we are unable to build cross Feb 13 13:55:24 rwhitby: I have the specs...NewEgg okay to buy from? Feb 13 13:55:37 rwhitby, were you aware of the samba .conf problem introduced recently? Feb 13 13:56:00 All set with that rwhitby... Feb 13 13:58:13 ka6sox-away: have we closed on warranty and shipping? Feb 13 13:58:35 ByronT: no - is it fixed in the CVS? Feb 13 13:58:49 I've got 3 other tools to check in.. transcode, ffmpeg, and lame... Feb 13 13:58:51 whats the final spec? Feb 13 13:58:59 Shuttle is a Factory Item Feb 13 13:59:07 rwhitby, still having sf.net issues Feb 13 13:59:49 ka6sox-away: can you create a specs wiki page - name it in preparation for it being the doco page on how to replicate the official build system Feb 13 14:00:10 okay Feb 13 14:00:20 Info/UnslungCrossCompilationHost or something like that Feb 13 14:01:16 Tiersten: 3200+ with 1 Gb RAM was the final spec if I remember correctly. Feb 13 14:02:32 ah okay Feb 13 14:04:31 rwhitby.. I also did an ugrade to gift opennap and ares pluging.. Did you incoorporate that into latest build? Feb 13 14:04:36 200 for box, 200 for proc, 200 for ram, 100 for disk (maybe 200 if we have enough additional contributions since then to cover warranty and shipping) Feb 13 14:05:33 cover warranty? huh? Feb 13 14:05:45 oh yeah. you guys don't automatically get 1 year do you? Feb 13 14:06:31 I'd like to look at extended warranty if it is worth it - since this is a machine built from donations Feb 13 14:06:48 oh okay I'll look for that. Feb 13 14:08:41 it was about $16.32 for the extended warranty on the barebones Feb 13 14:10:28 We currently have USD$900 to spend - I presume $100 will cover warranty and shipping, so let's talk about 2 disks instead of 1 Feb 13 14:10:43 ka6sox: what's the backup strategy for the machine - do we want to RAID it? Feb 13 14:10:53 03garpinc * 10unslung/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Tools to convert between different media types Feb 13 14:10:57 rwhitby, I'll kick in shipping Feb 13 14:11:11 We got sufficient cash to get a proper hardware RAID card? Feb 13 14:11:16 And no, a Promise/Highpoint doesn't count :) Feb 13 14:11:24 adaptec Feb 13 14:11:32 send my gmail with shipping costs, and I'll PayPal it Feb 13 14:11:38 adaptec 1200A has a Highpoint in it. Feb 13 14:11:45 I personally prefer 3ware Feb 13 14:11:59 And if you wish to use a 1200A, I'll donate my spare one. Feb 13 14:12:13 I'm with tiersten on that. 3ware is my friend. Feb 13 14:13:42 That reminds me. Need to send them a patch for their driver actually Feb 13 14:15:32 before we discuss which RAID - what are the benefits of RAID for a machine like this one? speed, backup, etc? Feb 13 14:16:16 reliability Feb 13 14:16:42 I would rather put in a DVD-RAM. my .02 worth. Feb 13 14:16:58 Why DVD-RAM? Feb 13 14:18:02 anyway, you guys discuss. assume that we have $900 to spend now instead of $800, esp if ByronT is going to cover shipping for us :-) Feb 13 14:18:23 hi ho, hi ho, ..... Feb 13 14:18:57 Tiersten: because it is Random Access and allows easy backup strategy. Feb 13 14:19:39 I'll see the consensus in the logs later .... Feb 13 14:19:41 <[g2]> RAID makes very little sense on build machine to me Feb 13 14:19:58 Yeah but DVD-RAM only really works in other DVD-RAM drives Feb 13 14:20:09 <[g2]> by definition, it's a compute box (doing builds) Feb 13 14:20:15 If you're using it for backup then DVD+/-R is good enough Feb 13 14:20:18 And more compatible Feb 13 14:20:27 RW? Feb 13 14:20:36 Yeah. Or RW Feb 13 14:20:45 +/- RW? Feb 13 14:20:57 [g2]: I guess. Advantage is that it's safeguarding against disk failure Feb 13 14:21:02 Tiersten: ka6sox currently does our backups of the wiki ... Feb 13 14:21:23 So whats the point of the DVD-RAM if you've got a backup system already? Feb 13 14:22:03 (we want to take the dependence on relying on the graciousness of ka6sox for any hardware related to the running on nslu2-linux) Feb 13 14:22:18 ... take away the dependence ... Feb 13 14:22:39 Well. A DVD+/-RW drive cheap these days Feb 13 14:22:46 true. Feb 13 14:23:02 and more useful IMO Feb 13 14:23:07 then we should add that to the spec then. Feb 13 14:23:08 :) Feb 13 14:23:30 No real advantage to getting a dual layer one unless it's particularly cheap. Not that they're expensive either Feb 13 14:23:36 Dual layer media is so expensive at the moment Feb 13 14:23:37 <[g2]> For backups RAID makes a ton of sense, and maybe for reliability too, but maybe not. Feb 13 14:23:39 Does that then involve human intervention? We want this machine to be low-touch. Feb 13 14:23:44 RAID isn't for backup Feb 13 14:23:54 It's for speed and/or reliability Feb 13 14:24:02 agreed with Tiersten Feb 13 14:24:06 <[g2]> If the box is only doing builds, everything will wind up in RAM and the disk won't actually be used much Feb 13 14:24:20 RAID doesn't stop you fat fingering rm -rf / and nuking the entire array :) Feb 13 14:24:44 Tiersten, BTDTGATS? Feb 13 14:24:47 In RAM? Where do all the files get stored then? Feb 13 14:24:53 ByronT: Wha? Feb 13 14:25:07 Been There, Done That, Got A T-Shirt Feb 13 14:25:19 ahh Feb 13 14:25:22 Nope Feb 13 14:25:32 Not with RAID anyway. I've done rm -rf / by accident before Feb 13 14:25:42 <[g2]> I guess the tmp dir is 2-3 GB Feb 13 14:25:45 whoops... Feb 13 14:26:06 today's Dilbert was appropriate then Feb 13 14:26:12 Was easy to restore anyway Feb 13 14:27:47 <[g2]> RAID will make a difference then for all the unpacking and for reliability since the disk is in action Feb 13 14:27:58 ByronT: heh Feb 13 14:28:28 :) Feb 13 14:31:08 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (26 files): x11/gtk: request automake 1.9 explicitly everywhere; parallel-make-friendly staging; use Owen Taylor's recent fixes to Xutil.h from freedesktop.org CVS Feb 13 14:31:22 <[g2]> /home/tom/dev/openslug/build Feb 13 14:31:22 <[g2]> 1984152 /home/tom/dev/openslug/build/tmp Feb 13 14:31:43 <[g2]> "bash-2.05b$ du -s /home/tom/dev/openslug/build/tmp Feb 13 14:32:02 <[g2]> I guess 3 gig RAM would do it :) Feb 13 14:32:42 ram is the last place I would want my precious files. Feb 13 14:32:43 * [g2] daydreams for a while .... Feb 13 14:32:54 unless its static ram. Feb 13 14:32:59 or NVRAM. Feb 13 14:33:23 okay so what's the point of RAID here/ Feb 13 14:33:30 speed or reliablilty. Feb 13 14:33:46 * ka6sox hears a pin drop Feb 13 14:33:51 <[g2]> well actually it'd be both for OE builds Feb 13 14:33:56 I was thinking it was gonna be a raid1 mirror. Feb 13 14:34:07 raid 1 is SLOW. Feb 13 14:34:13 not good for builds. Feb 13 14:34:25 raid 0 is fast but unreliable. Feb 13 14:34:32 <[g2]> 1 is mirroring right ? Feb 13 14:34:33 its not that much of a speed penalty. Feb 13 14:34:37 <[g2]> 0 is striping Feb 13 14:34:40 writing to 2 disks? Feb 13 14:35:43 I use raid 1 on my servers...at the time it was what I could afford. Feb 13 14:36:07 The other option is raid5, but thats Yet Another Disk. Feb 13 14:36:13 <[g2]> reliability makes sense, mirroring doesn't make that much sense to me Feb 13 14:36:27 but everytime a HD fails in an array I just copy the data off the other drive and then pitch the partner of the one that dies. Feb 13 14:36:38 <[g2]> how long does the Unslung build take ? Feb 13 14:36:50 you dont get reliability with a raid0 stripe set. Feb 13 14:36:56 if you lose one, you lose the whole thing. Feb 13 14:37:29 several hours on the current machine. Feb 13 14:37:35 <[g2]> all the "data" is in the repo's already Feb 13 14:37:48 <[g2]> is the new machine faster ? Feb 13 14:37:53 MUCH Feb 13 14:38:05 800-C3 vs XP3200+ Feb 13 14:38:09 RAID 1 is slow?? Feb 13 14:38:22 <[g2]> so the cost of restarting is just a couple hours Feb 13 14:38:27 Tiersten, yes because it sends the SAME data to 2 places. Feb 13 14:38:30 RAID 0 = fast but you increase the chance of losing your data by a huge amount Feb 13 14:38:34 <[g2]> not much of a cost in my book Feb 13 14:38:41 It should be the same speed as 1 drive Feb 13 14:38:54 huh? Feb 13 14:38:56 nod tiersten. Feb 13 14:39:05 well, just a 1/4 of the actual MTBF Feb 13 14:39:06 You using a proper hardware RAID controller? Feb 13 14:39:15 Or you doing this via software RAID? Feb 13 14:39:23 I mean it drops to 1/4 MTBF... Feb 13 14:40:51 okay guys...in reality all we need to save is the Build Environment and any special tweaks that we do to the Core OS. Feb 13 14:41:03 and that is pretty static. Feb 13 14:41:16 since we pull from our Repo's for the source Feb 13 14:41:26 I guess since we pull everything from web/CVS then it's not a major thing Feb 13 14:41:30 yeah Feb 13 14:41:51 In that case, we just need an image of the build system and keep it on a DVD in case of failure Feb 13 14:41:51 unless we decide to also use this machine as the repo (not suggesting we do that, just thinking aloud) Feb 13 14:41:52 unless this machine becomes a repo or the *master* repo then we are okay. Feb 13 14:42:23 if its our master repo then I propose using RAID1 with a proper RAID card. Feb 13 14:42:46 best balance of cost/performance and size. Feb 13 14:42:55 You got a fat enough pipe if it's going to be the repo? Feb 13 14:43:06 be back later.... Feb 13 14:44:00 working on that now. Feb 13 14:45:20 somebody come up with a card that they like (that isn't UW-LVDS SCSI) and lets spec it. Feb 13 14:46:01 3ware :) Feb 13 14:46:06 like the 3ware 7000 series? 7006 I think is the 2 drive model? Feb 13 14:46:22 theres a 9000o series SATA model too. Feb 13 14:46:55 8006 is the 2 drive SATA model. Feb 13 14:48:03 url's? Feb 13 14:48:05 Yeah. A 7006-2 will do Feb 13 14:48:26 can you remote cabinet SATA? Feb 13 14:48:53 In theory you can. Never tried it Feb 13 14:49:11 We have these SI cards that havae external SATA Connectors. Feb 13 14:49:33 there is no connector retention and they do fall out on their own in a ship enviornment. Feb 13 14:49:40 Can't find a 7006-2 however at new egg Feb 13 14:50:03 I'm willing to use other vendors. Feb 13 14:50:07 There is a 8006-2LP though for $134.99 Feb 13 14:56:45 Anyone here using twonkyvision? Feb 13 14:57:06 Nope Feb 13 15:23:12 [g2]: do you know what the swapper process is, and why it's taking all my cpu time? Feb 13 15:58:44 Will this: (http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=38&prid=581) work with the slug? Feb 13 15:58:54 (Bluetooth class 1 dongle) Feb 13 15:59:45 People on the Treo650 forums are reporting 1000 feet range between this dongle on a PC and a Treo 650 ... Feb 13 16:03:09 whoa... Feb 13 16:03:30 there is no reason that with OpenSlug it wouldn't work Feb 13 16:03:47 and with a -able kernel uNSLUng should work too. Feb 13 16:23:04 AUD$80 for the dongle ... Feb 13 16:23:59 okay I'm setting up gastro now...uNSLUng 3.18-Beta Feb 13 16:24:10 with a standard kernel. Feb 13 16:24:14 not a -able one. Feb 13 16:27:08 right? Feb 13 16:28:18 rwhitby-away: Yes. Assuming it follows the standard for Bluetooth USB dongles Feb 13 16:30:40 ""a frequency hopping" scheme that's almost impossible to intercept" Feb 13 16:30:42 uh yeah... Feb 13 16:31:25 It uses the CSR (Cambridge Silicon Radio) chipset, so it's well supported I think in normal linux Feb 13 16:31:26 FH is much harder to intercept Feb 13 18:58:24 anyone know why the unslung automake package doesn't install /opt/bin/automake-1.9? it's there in the data tarball in the package, but for some reason "ipkg install automake" doesn't seem to install it. (normally it would be a hard link to /opt/bin/automake) Feb 13 19:01:48 ah - ipkg can't handle hard links Feb 13 19:02:12 can you change the automake.mk makefile in CVS to create and package a softlink instead? Feb 13 19:02:40 OK, I'll try that... Feb 13 19:03:38 I had to do that in the crosstools-native package, cause it had a hard link for c -> g Feb 13 19:04:02 (that's C plus plus -> G plus plus - this web interface eats plus signs) Feb 13 19:04:55 i've another problem with native crosstools, BTW. It seems that limits.h doesn't respect _POSIX_SOURCE, this breaks native compilation of glib Feb 13 19:06:14 haven't looked into it deeply though... Feb 13 19:18:12 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/automake.mk sources/automake/control): install automake-1.9 and aclocal-1.9 Feb 13 19:28:29 automake is now working nicely... onward to a native compile of libX11... might be done in an hour or so... Feb 13 19:33:03 jp30, thanks! Feb 13 19:33:20 ~hail jp30 Feb 13 19:33:22 * jbot bows down to jp30 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Feb 13 19:34:49 jp30: I don't know much about the internals of crosstools - I just packaged what jacques said worked :-) Feb 13 19:36:37 rwhitby-web, i'll look into it more closely later. seems like something odd is going on with tricky internals of glibc... ulch. might be easiest to patch a workaround into glib Feb 13 19:39:35 ... or just resign ourselves to glib being CROSS_ONLY. who's going to want to build gtk+ natively anyway? it'd take decades Feb 13 19:41:21 you'd never finish. by the time you got close, they would have released a newer version... Feb 13 19:43:31 * ka6sox thinks that slugfarm would help. Feb 13 19:43:44 possibly. it'd only be 1 year instead of a whole decade Feb 13 19:44:17 lol! Feb 13 19:44:26 so we throw some more slugs at it! Feb 13 19:44:48 Or just do the sane thing and make it cross only unless you were really bored :) Feb 13 19:45:00 Machine gun compiler. Feb 13 19:45:32 Dunk a NSLU2 in liquid nitrogen and overclock it Feb 13 19:45:44 distcc Feb 13 19:47:10 are retail CPU's epoxied to the fans? Feb 13 19:47:16 No Feb 13 19:47:24 GCC - Gatling C compiler. Feb 13 19:47:32 brrrrrrrrrrrrap Feb 13 20:00:45 since our policy is to compile cross unless there is a compelling reason to compile something native, then that's fine for glib. Feb 13 20:04:10 well, i'll try to find out more about what the problem is. Feb 13 20:06:00 dinner is ready. i'll be back later to report on my native x11 build Feb 13 21:22:17 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/x11.mk sources/x11/find-keysymdef.patch): x11: add xdmcp to dependencies; patch needed to find keysymdef.h in staging dir when native-compiling Feb 13 21:23:03 * ka6sox watches jp30's totals spin the meter off its mount. Feb 13 21:51:19 I'm going to make a USD$32 (the standard active amount) donation to freenode (who host this channel). Any objections? I also want to set up a project cloak .... Feb 13 21:53:59 no objections here. Feb 13 21:54:11 they have been doing an excellent job. Feb 13 22:57:41 scanline: did you get the donation ok? Feb 13 22:58:02 rwhitby-away: yes, it came pretty much immediately. thanks again :) Feb 13 22:59:04 we're going to donate to freenode too Feb 13 22:59:10 cool Feb 13 22:59:11 and try and get a project cloak Feb 13 22:59:16 * scanline nods Feb 13 23:09:10 hiya scanline Feb 13 23:20:48 i think i have found the problem with native-compilation of glib. the limits.h installed as part of crosstool-native is indeed broken. should have a fix to crosstool-native.mk shortly... Feb 13 23:24:19 jp30, cool! Feb 13 23:33:19 hi ka6sox Feb 13 23:33:54