**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 14 23:59:56 2005
Feb 15 00:31:51 <perlguru-work> morning
Feb 15 00:32:07 <ka6sox-away> morning
Feb 15 00:48:11 <christopher> python: 242 tests passed 8 tests failed
Feb 15 00:48:38 <dyoung> Nice.
Feb 15 00:49:02 <christopher> now, to fix the 8 :-)
Feb 15 01:08:56 <rwhitby-away> christopher: is that cross or native?
Feb 15 01:32:53 <xav> christopher: Hi, are you there ?
Feb 15 01:33:40 <rwhitby-away> jbot, seen christopher?
Feb 15 01:33:41 <jbot> christopher is currently on #nslu2-linux.  Has said a total of 7 messages.  Is idling for 44m 39s
Feb 15 01:45:31 <xav> ok, thanks
Feb 15 01:45:35 <xav> I'll wait a bit :)
Feb 15 03:47:23 <Bart_unlimited> Anyone experience with RAID?
Feb 15 03:49:00 <Bart_unlimited> I need to umount the sda, but the umount /dev/sda fails
Feb 15 03:49:26 <Bart_unlimited> even with the -f option
Feb 15 05:20:24 <rwhitby-away> Ksilebo: got my 650 :-)
Feb 15 05:20:34 <Ksilebo> Rock, how do you like it?
Feb 15 05:20:57 <rwhitby-away> it is exceeding expectations :-)
Feb 15 05:21:01 <Ksilebo> Heh
Feb 15 05:21:34 <rwhitby-away> I never imagined how versatile bluetooth access to the laptop to share the broadband connection would be ....
Feb 15 05:21:50 <Ksilebo> Its nice isn't it?
Feb 15 05:22:10 <rwhitby-away> I have the network connection set to Bluetooth, with a fall-back to GPRS.
Feb 15 05:22:34 <rwhitby-away> (GPRS is $5 per MB here)
Feb 15 05:22:55 <Ksilebo> Ouch. Yeah, my CDMA is unlimited for $15 a month
Feb 15 05:26:05 <rwhitby-away> Sold some old 600 accessories for $90 today .... will try and sell the 600, cradle, and hotsync cable for $600 (the 600 is still $760 here, 650 is $1K).
Feb 15 05:26:17 <Ksilebo> Aha
Feb 15 05:26:25 <Ksilebo> I still want a damn cradle for my 650
Feb 15 05:26:54 <rwhitby-away> I'm not sure I'll get a 650 cradle - bluetooth hotsync is sweet
Feb 15 05:27:34 <Ksilebo> The novelty wears off quickly.
Feb 15 05:28:19 <rwhitby-away> true - it is slow compared to the cable
Feb 15 05:45:02 <rwhitby-away> #nslu2-linux has just made a $32 donation to freenode.net
Feb 15 05:48:54 <giel> nice one
Feb 15 05:49:21 <giel> i probably have the solution to my initrd/swapper problem
Feb 15 05:49:25 <giel> gonna try it tonight
Feb 15 05:50:12 <rwhitby> anyone know how to get hold of a staffer on IRC ?
Feb 15 05:50:12 <giel> next issue: cross compiling screen with OE for uclibc
Feb 15 05:52:01 <giel> nope sorry, nothing in the motd
Feb 15 05:52:11 <Ksilebo> rwhitby: #freenode
Feb 15 05:52:53 <giel> you could try #freenode
Feb 15 05:52:59 <giel> ah, Ksilebo beat me on that one :)
Feb 15 05:53:04 <Ksilebo> lol
Feb 15 05:54:25 <rwhitby> yeah, I was there, but wasn't voiced, and /who *.staff.freenode returned nothing
Feb 15 05:54:43 <Ksilebo> You need to wait a while before getting voiced.
Feb 15 05:54:55 <rwhitby> yeah, that's happened now
Feb 15 05:59:28 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: about the 'hotplug bug': i don't think there is any, those coldplugging scripts are just damn slow... they take about 15 secs to run on my 1.1ghz celly
Feb 15 05:59:42 <giel> so, just don't do coldplugging
Feb 15 06:00:14 <giel> you also notice it when plugging in a device with hotplug enabled in the kernel, all kinds of processes spawn and the slug gets laggish for a while
Feb 15 06:00:46 <giel> i think i'm gonna kick hotplug out of my kernel, it's not good for my slug imo
Feb 15 06:42:38 <rwhitby> jbot, seen [g2]?
Feb 15 06:42:48 <jbot> [g2] <~g2@rdu57-8-035.nc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 7h 53m 6s ago, saying: 'for the jffs2 block'.
Feb 15 06:44:53 <giel> ~g2
Feb 15 06:44:54 <jbot> Easy to use, portable and powerful 2D graphics library. URL: http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/ljubo/g2/g2.shtml
Feb 15 06:44:59 <giel> ~[g2]
Feb 15 06:45:00 <jbot> well, [g2] is really cool, and an an all around nice guy!  Also he is a real funny guy, the master of NSLU2 Buildroot and a known Slug Sacrificer.  And editor of SlugNews.
Feb 15 06:58:14 <VoodooZ_Work> giel: Yeah but I heard of people booting in under 10 seconds on a small arm board so there's got to be a way.
Feb 15 06:58:44 <VoodooZ_Work> Mine takes 12 seconds just in hotplug. the whole jffs2 is slow too so obviously there's more than one culprit
Feb 15 07:00:07 <VoodooZ_Work> I might try disabling it too actually. screw udev. For my robot i reboot often during testing so I'd rather have a faster boot and no hotplugging.
Feb 15 07:01:21 <siddy> did anybody ever succeed to get oprofile running on openslug? or... has anybody even tried to?
Feb 15 07:04:51 * siddy seems to be the first one getting mad while trying to use oprofile on openslug...
Feb 15 07:13:51 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: i don't use jffs2 (i boot from hdd), i've disabled hotplug... now my boot all together takes like 20 secs i guess
Feb 15 07:14:02 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: and there're lots of scripts to be stripped down
Feb 15 07:15:03 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: i'm using static device files on hdd, there's a bootup script which mounts a ramdrive on /dev/ and populates it, but i turned that off and save another second or so :)
Feb 15 07:15:07 <VoodooZ_Work> looks good.
Feb 15 07:15:15 <[g2]> morning guys
Feb 15 07:15:18 <giel> moringn
Feb 15 07:15:21 <VoodooZ_Work> hey [g2]
Feb 15 07:15:21 <giel> ~ugt
Feb 15 07:15:22 <jbot> ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves.  Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant.
Feb 15 07:16:01 <VoodooZ_Work> Aren't you using jffs2 anyways though?
Feb 15 07:16:15 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: it can be summarized as 'the schemes that work nicely for a desktop machine are just too bloated for an embedded device'
Feb 15 07:16:21 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: nope, not touching it at all
Feb 15 07:16:48 <VoodooZ_Work> I thought it was part of the default openslug though. The root is a jffs2 partition.
Feb 15 07:17:01 <siddy> hi [g2], bad news... the network of my sweet preemptible openslug went down last night, so still not fix for that problem.
Feb 15 07:17:02 <giel> on boot, reboot loads the kernel and the 1mb initrd from flash, and that's all i use
Feb 15 07:17:05 <VoodooZ_Work> btw I agree, about the desktop/slug thing.
Feb 15 07:17:10 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: yes, the _default_ openslug
Feb 15 07:17:15 <giel> but i'm not using that
Feb 15 07:17:15 <giel> :)
Feb 15 07:17:32 <VoodooZ_Work> You modified it or?
Feb 15 07:17:38 <giel> yeah, mainly switchbox
Feb 15 07:17:51 <giel> and copied the jffs2 root to hdd and modified fstab
Feb 15 07:18:02 <giel> and modified some of the startup scripts
Feb 15 07:18:10 <giel> not satisfied yet tho
Feb 15 07:18:27 <VoodooZ_Work> I see.
Feb 15 07:18:49 <[g2]> siddy, thx for the update
Feb 15 07:18:56 <giel> i want a new kernel with packet support for dhcp
Feb 15 07:19:07 <VoodooZ_Work> I can't use a HD for my robot though so I'm stuck with flash. And there seems to be a few seconds of delay associated with that jffs2/initrd stuff.
Feb 15 07:19:08 <[g2]> giel, change defconfig
Feb 15 07:19:18 <giel> [g2]: yeah, i know how, but i still have to do that
Feb 15 07:19:33 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: you can screw jffs2 and plug in a memstick
Feb 15 07:19:35 <VoodooZ_Work> AH! That's why I couldn't get dhcp to work!
Feb 15 07:19:36 <[g2]> giel, I can only help *so* much :)
Feb 15 07:19:43 <giel> [g2]: heh :)
Feb 15 07:19:49 <giel> [g2]: not asking you to build a kernel :)
Feb 15 07:20:07 <giel> [g2]: i've figured out the swapper thing tho
Feb 15 07:20:18 <[g2]> giel, what was it ?
Feb 15 07:20:33 <giel> [g2]: well, when using pivot_root, you'll have to put root=/dev/ram0 at the command line
Feb 15 07:20:53 <giel> that's the solution the initrd author gave me
Feb 15 07:21:03 <[g2]> ahh.. so it boots from the ramdisk
Feb 15 07:21:11 <giel> and the reason of the weird process i've figured out myself by looking at the kernel source
Feb 15 07:21:33 <giel> when not using root=/dev/ram0, you're using parts of pivot_root and parts of the old mechanism
Feb 15 07:21:51 <giel> and swapper is a kernel task of the old mechanism which waits for linuxrc to end
Feb 15 07:22:01 <giel> which it won't do ever using pivot_root
Feb 15 07:22:11 <giel> so it's just waiting and taking up your spare cpu time doing so
Feb 15 07:22:18 <[g2]> so this is 2.6 specific
Feb 15 07:22:27 <giel> guess so
Feb 15 07:22:37 <VoodooZ_Work> giel: are you saying your fix would speed up the boot in most cases or?
Feb 15 07:23:06 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: no, openslug normally uses the old real-root-dev mechanism (at least with switchbox 3.x)
Feb 15 07:23:09 <giel> which is okay too
Feb 15 07:23:35 <giel> but if you're using pivot_root (switchbox 4.x), you better add root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc to your command line
Feb 15 07:23:35 <VoodooZ_Work> ok.
Feb 15 07:24:05 <VoodooZ_Work> I wouldn't know. I'm using the latest from the repo. 
Feb 15 07:24:16 <VoodooZ_Work> Could you push your fix?
Feb 15 07:24:29 <giel> no
Feb 15 07:24:39 <giel> 'cause it involves a change of defconfig of the kernel
Feb 15 07:24:43 <[g2]> giel, siddy VoodooZ_Work on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being very likely) what's are your chances of flashing a different bootloader ?
Feb 15 07:24:45 <VoodooZ_Work> ic.
Feb 15 07:24:46 <giel> which is specific for switchbox 4.x
Feb 15 07:24:54 <giel> [g2]: 9
Feb 15 07:25:15 <VoodooZ_Work> well, if it's tested enough prior I'd say, 8
Feb 15 07:25:25 <[g2]> giel, is such a h4x0r5
Feb 15 07:25:51 <giel> [g2]: hehe, i've altered my boot process severly without having serial, so, yeah :)
Feb 15 07:26:03 <VoodooZ_Work> especially if it permits me to adjust that very long redboot delay at startup
Feb 15 07:26:19 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: yep, 2-3 secs wasted there at least
Feb 15 07:26:19 <siddy> [g2], why should we want another bootloader? redboot does what it should do for me... booting! ;-)
Feb 15 07:26:44 <giel> siddy: because we can? that's reason enough (for me at least)
Feb 15 07:26:45 <[g2]> siddy, several things
Feb 15 07:26:56 <[g2]> 1) security
Feb 15 07:27:32 <[g2]> 2) passing different cmdline options to the kernel
Feb 15 07:27:34 <giel> 2) skip the whole st00pid initrd stuff and just mount the hdd as root in the first place
Feb 15 07:27:49 <VoodooZ_Work> giel: I second that!
Feb 15 07:27:58 <giel> (or memstick or whatever)
Feb 15 07:28:12 <[g2]> That's a test candidate
Feb 15 07:29:00 <[g2]> That would make for a quick boot
Feb 15 07:29:37 <[g2]> just copy the kernel and boot straight to the /sda1 or /sdb1
Feb 15 07:29:44 <giel> yup
Feb 15 07:29:47 <VoodooZ_Work> giel: concerning that root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc change: Do I simply append this to the CONFIG_CMDLINE of my defconfig? 
Feb 15 07:30:00 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: no, that's a pitfall
Feb 15 07:30:09 <VoodooZ_Work> what?
Feb 15 07:30:13 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: CONFIG_CMDLINE gets changed in the .bb
Feb 15 07:30:44 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: mind you, i haven't tested it yet myself, planning to do that tonight
Feb 15 07:30:44 <VoodooZ_Work> I thought you said you couldn't push it because it was in defconfig?
Feb 15 07:30:52 <[g2]> do you guys know how to do a very fast build of the kernel ?
Feb 15 07:30:54 <siddy> hm... okay I see, the cmdline-args and non-initrd stuff would be nice, but flashing the bootloader sounds too dangerous to me! :-D
Feb 15 07:30:56 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: oh uh yeah well, same reasons apply
Feb 15 07:31:07 <VoodooZ_Work> ok, please let us know so we can fix it for everyone.
Feb 15 07:31:38 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: i'll do some experiments if it doesn't break switchbox 3.x support
Feb 15 07:31:46 <VoodooZ_Work> [g2]: just the kernel?
Feb 15 07:31:46 <giel> VoodooZ_Work: it probably does
Feb 15 07:31:56 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TweakKernelOrPackagesInOE
Feb 15 07:32:31 <VoodooZ_Work> bitbake -c clean openslug-kernel; bitbake openslug-kernel
Feb 15 07:32:41 <[g2]> In your case it's change the defconf in the tmp/work/... dir
Feb 15 07:32:55 <giel> i wish bb wasn't such a resource hog
Feb 15 07:33:04 <giel> i mean, just starting bb takes ages on my system
Feb 15 07:34:10 <VoodooZ_Work> I can now build my very fat openslug build in 74minutes on a dual xeon.
Feb 15 07:34:22 <VoodooZ_Work> I'll be trying it on a quad opteron real soon too.
Feb 15 07:34:26 <giel> i only have a celly 1.1ghz with 460mb or so memory
Feb 15 07:34:50 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, you need 1gig really.
Feb 15 07:34:56 <VoodooZ_Work> and a fast HD.
Feb 15 07:35:11 <giel> hm, maybe i even have some spare mem left
Feb 15 07:35:15 <giel> let me check that tonight
Feb 15 07:35:22 <giel> now, back to work really
Feb 15 07:35:45 <giel> btw, i've ordered http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdrive3/index.html
Feb 15 07:35:54 <giel> might be useful for openslugging too at some point :)
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 15 09:32:54 2005
Feb 15 09:34:05 <ByronT> Tiersten, naw... they see THG and think "iTunes server", gotta get me one of those....
Feb 15 09:34:27 <ByronT> and then get home and say what the heck did I buy?
Feb 15 09:34:59 <ByronT> I speak from experience, of course... :)
Feb 15 09:39:01 <Tiersten> :)
Feb 15 10:00:48 <CIA-1> 03shenson * 10unslung/Makefile: gdb ready for testing
Feb 15 10:02:52 <pTweety> hi
Feb 15 10:03:49 <Tiersten> yo
Feb 15 10:12:20 <giel> yuy
Feb 15 10:19:55 <perlguru> hi
Feb 15 10:21:16 <[g2]> hi
Feb 15 10:21:24 <Tiersten> hola
Feb 15 10:21:34 <ByronT> hello
Feb 15 10:21:40 <[g2]> Tiersten I ran APEX from ran last night :)
Feb 15 10:22:18 <[g2]> bbiaf 
Feb 15 10:22:24 <Tiersten> cool
Feb 15 10:22:25 <perlguru> i still have my bitbake problem :(
Feb 15 10:22:36 <perlguru> ipkg-native wont build
Feb 15 10:23:08 <perlguru> | all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read'
Feb 15 10:23:08 <perlguru> | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here
Feb 15 10:23:08 <perlguru> | make[2]: *** [libbb_la-all_read.lo] Error 1
Feb 15 10:23:08 <perlguru> |
Feb 15 10:26:19 <[g2]> doh!
Feb 15 10:38:38 <pTweety> is anyone interested in testing postfix, cyrus-imap and fetchmail?
Feb 15 10:39:10 <pTweety> I think I'm almost done with the packages and will check in the latest version soon
Feb 15 10:39:34 <[cc]smart> perlguru: if you update bitbake (if you didn't maybe you should :)) i'd think you'd have to rerun theat setup script
Feb 15 10:40:04 <[cc]smart> <- very interested in mailserver
Feb 15 10:40:18 <jp30> pTweety, i'm busy building pango myself so can't help you test... but... thanks for the advice about gconv
Feb 15 10:40:23 <[cc]smart> <- will have to buy anoth slug
Feb 15 10:40:51 <pTweety> no problem
Feb 15 10:41:57 <pTweety> jp30: what do you plan to do with x on the slug? (just curious)
Feb 15 10:42:21 <[cc]smart> perlguru: ah... misinterpreted.... probably bb is not realted
Feb 15 10:42:34 <perlguru> [cc]smart, no luck indeed
Feb 15 10:42:44 <giel> pTweety: tell me more about postfix
Feb 15 10:42:51 <giel> pTweety: unslung ipk?
Feb 15 10:42:52 <jp30> pTweety: just hack... doing all this porting has been a nice way to learn about X
Feb 15 10:43:00 <perlguru> i tried even emptying the tmp dir.
Feb 15 10:43:12 <pTweety> aha
Feb 15 10:43:23 <pTweety> giel: what do you want to know
Feb 15 10:43:41 <giel> pTweety: is it an unslung ipk?
Feb 15 10:43:51 <giel> 'cause i was planning on building it for openslug/uclibc
Feb 15 10:43:51 <pTweety> yet, almost
Feb 15 10:44:00 <giel> any pitfalls?
Feb 15 10:44:00 <pTweety> s/yet/yepp/
Feb 15 10:44:05 <[cc]smart> perlguru: which version does it try to build ?
Feb 15 10:45:21 <pTweety> giel: I'm on the way to check it in into cvs. It's native only and needs some prerequisits
Feb 15 10:45:52 <perlguru> [cc]smart, NOTE: package ipkg-native-0.99.140-r0: task do_compile: failed
Feb 15 10:46:04 <giel> pTweety: hm ok, i'll look at it
Feb 15 10:46:06 <pTweety> giel: only a small patch to makedefs was needed
Feb 15 10:46:14 <giel> pTweety: i only do cross :)
Feb 15 10:46:17 <giel> and openslug
Feb 15 10:46:30 <pTweety> hm, I managed to compile native but not cross
Feb 15 10:46:41 <giel> ok, there's some work for me left then :)
Feb 15 10:46:44 <pTweety> to many problems with helper tools forme
Feb 15 10:46:52 <giel> there is a .bb in OE, but that's an older version
Feb 15 10:46:56 <[cc]smart> surprising, that exact same  version worked for me on last run .... i set the missing TARGET_OS to linux, not uclibc, same choice for you ?
Feb 15 10:47:03 <pTweety> hm, interesting
Feb 15 10:47:13 <giel> so, i'll figure it out
Feb 15 10:47:20 <giel> 'cause i want postfix + dovecot running
Feb 15 10:47:26 <pTweety> how can I access this bb?
Feb 15 10:47:37 <pTweety> is there a webfrontend?
Feb 15 10:47:47 <perlguru> [cc]smart, OE Build Configuration:
Feb 15 10:47:48 <perlguru> TARGET_ARCH   = "armeb"
Feb 15 10:47:48 <perlguru> TARGET_OS     = "linux"
Feb 15 10:47:48 <perlguru> MACHINE       = "nslu2"
Feb 15 10:47:48 <perlguru> DISTRO        = "unslung"
Feb 15 10:47:48 <perlguru> TARGET_FPU    = "soft"
Feb 15 10:48:29 <pTweety> giel: you want dovecot because of it's size?
Feb 15 10:49:07 <[cc]smart> i did openslug, and did not set that FPU flag
Feb 15 10:49:13 <[cc]smart> even don't have it in the file
Feb 15 10:49:46 <perlguru> [cc]smart, is standard reported by bitbake
Feb 15 10:54:06 <[cc]smart> i'll try to bb unslung...
Feb 15 10:54:48 <[g2]> [cc]smart, grep TARGET_ openembedded/conf/distro/openslug.conf
Feb 15 10:55:29 <[g2]> [cc]smart, you are probably pointing to the oe-devel repo
Feb 15 10:55:45 <[g2]> I don't know that change is there along with another fix
Feb 15 10:56:39 <[g2]> playing with desktop kernels.. bbiaf
Feb 15 10:57:08 <[cc]smart> i just saw that FPU IS defined in my unslung config, but not in openslug
Feb 15 10:58:08 <[cc]smart> oe devel repo ? the from nslu-linux that is...
Feb 15 10:59:59 <CIA-1> 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 
Feb 15 11:00:01 <CIA-1> Split into base and doc.
Feb 15 11:00:03 <CIA-1> Added some config files.
Feb 15 11:00:05 <CIA-1> Enhanced postinst script.
Feb 15 11:00:07 <CIA-1> prerm script still missing.
Feb 15 11:00:09 <CIA-1> But the package is almost usable.
Feb 15 11:15:27 <CIA-1> 03ptweety * 10unslung/Makefile: cyrus-imapd and postfix are NATIVE_ONLY_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING
Feb 15 11:24:38 <CIA-1> 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/postfix.mk: added the CONFFILES
Feb 15 11:38:47 <giel> pTweety: no obvious reason really, it just seemed okay and leightweightish
Feb 15 11:41:39 <pTweety> it was an my roadmap as wel, but now I can care about my wife :-) 
Feb 15 11:42:05 <pTweety> cause cyrus-imapd seems to run fine
Feb 15 11:47:09 <giel> i have some... weird unreasonable objection against both cyrus and courier
Feb 15 11:52:58 <pTweety> does dovecot provide server side filtering?
Feb 15 11:53:21 <pTweety> and sorting?
Feb 15 12:09:33 <giel> dunno
Feb 15 12:09:50 <giel> i am going to try out. later. when i'm happy with my slug config
Feb 15 12:10:00 <giel> now, on with the kernel building
Feb 15 12:19:14 <ByronT> Stay, CIA-1, stay!
Feb 15 12:42:33 <pTweety> can someone explain me details about the start/stop script mechanism in /opt/etc/init.d?
Feb 15 12:42:56 <pTweety> are all script executed at startup or only these starting with S...
Feb 15 12:43:28 <pTweety> can we on the other hand have K... script that are executed before shutdown?
Feb 15 12:46:08 <perlguru>  cat /etc/rc.d/rc.unslung-stop and you have your answer ;)
Feb 15 12:48:01 <pTweety> thanks, that's what I was looking for.
Feb 15 12:51:46 <ByronT> jacques, do you know CVS?
Feb 15 12:52:49 <jacques> ByronT, uh, barely well enough to get by. I suspect you're about to ask me something obscure.
Feb 15 13:35:14 <ByronT> brb... winrebooting
Feb 15 13:56:41 <[cc]smart> perlgugu: got lost in watching some docu movie here... unslung-image is the target ? i get this: ERROR: dependency unslung-able-image (for unslung-image) not satisfied
Feb 15 14:48:04 <siddy> I think I finally managed to stabalize my openslug's network!
Feb 15 14:48:47 <siddy> at least it doesn't pause or crash any more under heavy network & cpu loads.
Feb 15 14:49:15 <jacques> what was it?
Feb 15 14:49:52 <siddy> I disabled those crazy 5000 irq-polls per second of the ixp425_eth-module
Feb 15 14:50:12 <siddy> and now it looks rock-solid! 8-)
Feb 15 14:50:26 <jacques> how'd you do that?
Feb 15 14:50:47 <jacques> changed the driver or just disabled it?
Feb 15 14:51:09 <siddy> i changed the driver: the module had 2 ways to handle ethernet-events, one via the polling and another irq-driven one.
Feb 15 14:51:27 <jacques> holy crap you mean that's been in there all that time and nobody found it??
Feb 15 14:51:38 <jacques> this is huge
Feb 15 14:51:38 <siddy> the polling seemed to be some kind of feature, increasing the performance, according to the comments.
Feb 15 14:51:57 <jacques> we need this written up :-)
Feb 15 14:52:03 <ByronT> wiki update!
Feb 15 14:52:13 <siddy> *sigh*
Feb 15 14:52:21 <siddy> okay, doing it...
Feb 15 14:52:33 <ByronT> that was a comment... not a question (per the rules, you know)
Feb 15 14:52:41 <jacques> siddy, if you were a girl I would kiss you
Feb 15 14:53:01 <siddy> lol, bad idea! ;)
Feb 15 14:54:23 <dyoung> This *is* HUGE.
Feb 15 14:54:37 <dyoung> ~worship siddy
Feb 15 14:54:40 * jbot genuflects before siddy.  "I'm not worthy!"
Feb 15 14:55:39 <jacques> ~hail siddy 
Feb 15 14:55:42 * jbot bows down to siddy and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Feb 15 14:56:12 <[g2]> siddy, Network daemon!
Feb 15 14:57:56 <[g2]> siddy, congrats!
Feb 15 14:58:10 <dyoung> hahahaha
Feb 15 14:58:22 <siddy> thx, it was worth the work! openslug is finally stable for me!
Feb 15 14:58:28 <dyoung> "Interal ISR: Run a few thousand times per second......"
Feb 15 14:58:28 * siddy parties
Feb 15 15:02:11 <[g2]> siddy, were you doing much hd activity before and did you get any of those IRQ 26 errors ?
Feb 15 15:03:06 <siddy> I still get those errors.
Feb 15 15:06:49 <jacques> I never thought those were related to the CSR stuff
Feb 15 15:07:19 <[g2]> jacques, what do you think they are releated to ?
Feb 15 15:07:25 <jacques> it's more like a 2.6 thing since they don't seem to happen on 2.4
Feb 15 15:07:55 <jacques> somewhere in my logs/notes I should have some ideas someone had for tuning that
Feb 15 15:08:02 <siddy> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/StabilizeEthernetDriver
Feb 15 15:08:05 <siddy> :-D
Feb 15 15:09:15 <jacques> siddy, thanks!
Feb 15 15:09:35 <siddy> np
Feb 15 15:13:27 <jacques> siddy, you mention possible increased CPU utilization - do you have any specifics?
Feb 15 15:13:51 <jacques> like "before it was taking 10% and now 20% at max xfer bandwidth"
Feb 15 15:16:30 <siddy> jacques, no, sorry, I just observed that there are now _many_ calls on irq 3 during transfers, up to 6000 per second. so, there may be about 20% more cpu-usage when using all 100mbit
Feb 15 15:17:14 <jacques> siddy, at the very least you've given us a choice, which is great.
Feb 15 15:17:53 <jacques> I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to the no-polling method as standard
Feb 15 15:18:12 <siddy> hehe, yes it is. and... I see no big sence in using 5000 irqs pre second when the network is completely idle, so the 20% are a good investment I think.
Feb 15 15:18:49 <jacques> i would love to see a load of 0.0 with the CSR drivers loaded :-)
Feb 15 15:21:49 <siddy> I'd prefer the no-polling to be standard, because openslug's network is unstable with polling. I could produce network-outages within minutes with polling.
Feb 15 15:24:16 <jacques> siddy, it probably will become standard - we just need to try it
Feb 15 15:26:16 <siddy> of course, np. I couldn't see anything in the driver that would break without polling, but I agree, we need some testing on that.
Feb 15 15:35:14 <[g2]-dinner> jacques, I see a load of 0.0 with the usbnet drivers loaded :)
Feb 15 15:38:20 <jacques> [g2], ??
Feb 15 15:38:30 <jacques> and I see load of 0.0 without CSR loaded
Feb 15 15:39:02 <[g2]> yes, but with the usbnet driver I've got networking going too, just not active
Feb 15 15:39:28 <[g2]> active IP traffic that is
Feb 15 15:39:56 <jacques> yeah as I would expect - I said "i would love to see a load of 0.0 with the CSR drivers loaded :-)"
Feb 15 15:40:17 <[g2]> I understand
Feb 15 15:46:11 <rwhitby-web> we need to get an Unslung build happening with this change incorporated ....
Feb 15 16:07:15 <siddy> my time has come... g'nite everybody!
Feb 15 16:08:23 <jacques> `night siddy-zzZZ 
Feb 15 16:08:24 <ka6sox> nite siddy..good work.
Feb 15 18:06:04 <NoRemorse> hi all, has anyone here got a maxtor personal storage 5000xt on a slig?
Feb 15 18:06:08 <NoRemorse> *slug
Feb 15 18:06:46 <NoRemorse> or similar, having trouble setting spindown time
Feb 15 18:10:22 <NoRemorse> is the a nslu2 forum or mailing list please?
Feb 15 18:12:24 <Tiersten> Yeah
Feb 15 18:12:24 <Tiersten> #nslu2-general for non development questions
Feb 15 18:12:27 <Tiersten> There is a nslu2 yahoogroup as well.  Search on there for the exact address
Feb 15 18:12:59 <NoRemorse> thanks
Feb 15 20:26:15 <CIA-1> 03garpinc * 10unslung/make/transcode.mk: 
Feb 15 20:26:15 <CIA-1> Corrected some badly named install files due to something in transcode
Feb 15 20:26:16 <CIA-1> makefile.
Feb 15 20:37:28 <CIA-1> 03garpinc * 10unslung/make/gift.mk: strip gift
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