**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 17 23:59:56 2005 Feb 18 00:31:48 ~stay Feb 18 00:31:55 woof Feb 18 00:32:11 ~botsnack Feb 18 00:32:17 thanks, ByronT Feb 18 00:34:29 time for bed... 2:30AM uggh Feb 18 00:52:12 * ByronT is away -( zzzZZZzzz )- at 02:52a -( P:On / L:On )- Feb 18 00:58:47 nite ByronT-zzZZZzz Feb 18 01:15:18 03djf * 10unslung/ (make/lsof.mk sources/lsof/control): lsof: increased version to 4.74 as 4.73 source is no longer on site Feb 18 01:16:59 03djf * 10unslung/Makefile: demoted freeradius to needs to be fixed Feb 18 02:30:03 ~stay Feb 18 02:30:05 woof Feb 18 02:52:05 dyoung: fixed cpio - about to push Feb 18 02:52:22 (after I've built unslung 4.x completely) Feb 18 02:56:47 What was the fix? Feb 18 02:57:26 hum.. anyone managed to use vfat on sda1? Feb 18 02:57:48 that is.. unslinged, with swap and conf, but data as vfat? Feb 18 03:05:22 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2811 10unslung-4.x/packages/cpio/files/install.patch: Fixed cpio (missing $(DESTDIR) terms). Feb 18 03:08:30 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3001.1.1 10openembedded/packages/cpio/files/install.patch: Fixed cpio (missing $(DESTDIR) terms). Feb 18 05:14:41 hey shenson Feb 18 05:26:43 greetings Feb 18 05:49:15 is anyone using the NSLU2 as a server to boot linux over a network? Feb 18 05:49:22 morning Feb 18 05:49:53 morning Feb 18 05:50:09 Kirk_22: no, but i recon it won't be too hard Feb 18 05:50:32 Kirk_22: i guess you need bootp/dhcp and tftp, all of which a pretty simple Feb 18 05:51:07 hey all Feb 18 05:51:32 hey Feb 18 05:51:55 VoodooZ_Work: Hows the robot going? Feb 18 05:52:01 I'm kicking around the idea of using diskless machines for a firewall, web surf station, etc Feb 18 05:52:32 Not bad but I've decided not to go this year as I'm way behind with all the time I spent on the slug. Feb 18 05:52:49 heh :) Feb 18 05:53:02 To take a break I'm redesigning my Nerf-bot using the slug and using computer vision to target other robots. Feb 18 05:53:22 I'm having problem with openslug right now so more delays... :) Feb 18 05:55:11 For whatever reason my jffs2 rootfs is completely hosed. Feb 18 05:55:19 hmm? whats wrong with it? Feb 18 05:55:43 VoodooZ_Work: i've found a book on computer vision here, so if you've got any questions maybe i can look stuff up for you Feb 18 05:56:10 giel: cool .thanks. I've found a lot of great stuff online and in the pdf file you pointed me to. Feb 18 05:56:38 Tiersten: I don't know, that's the thing. build/tmp/rootfs only contains etc,usr and dev after the build. Feb 18 05:59:10 giel: WHat's the name of the book? Feb 18 05:59:24 <[g2]-away> VoodooZ_Work, I don't know what you did to your jffs2 partition Feb 18 06:00:08 yeah, I didn't change anything. In fact, I wouldn't even know which package it's in! :( Feb 18 06:00:10 <[g2]-away> I posted the changes and log of booting to jffs2 at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/BootDirectlyToJffs2 Feb 18 06:00:42 Do you have an idea where I could look (log?) to start debugging my problem? Feb 18 06:03:34 VoodooZ_Work: lemme check Feb 18 06:04:13 VoodooZ_Work: Two Dimensional Signal and Image Processing by Lim Feb 18 06:04:45 Cool. I was looking into buying a good one so I'll look it up. Feb 18 06:04:47 thnks Feb 18 06:05:28 i dunno if it's a good one though Feb 18 06:05:35 i found it here at work :) Feb 18 06:05:44 still Feb 18 06:06:02 it covers the theoratical background pretty good as far as i can see Feb 18 06:06:10 2d fourier transformations and the like Feb 18 06:06:47 standard stuff. Feb 18 06:06:59 Those textbooks are pretty all 80$ CDN+ Feb 18 06:07:11 That's why I'm still waiting to find the best one for me. Feb 18 07:03:37 * ByronT-zzZZZzz is back -( zzzZZZzzz )- gone 6 hr 11 min 26 s Feb 18 07:12:23 hm, i'm gonna write an article on software patents and why they're good Feb 18 07:12:46 rwhitby, your assumptions were correct... bk send was expecting a command line smtp processor Feb 18 07:13:25 i'm fed up with the OSS community attacking a perfectly good law, because they don't know what they're talking about Feb 18 07:13:53 <[g2]-away> giel, I don't think sw patent make any sense Feb 18 07:14:06 giel, it's like most everything - there should be a balance Feb 18 07:14:23 okay, i'm NOT going to talk about it now, because i'm gonna write it down Feb 18 07:14:33 i'll show it to you when my article is done, next week or so Feb 18 07:14:35 the problem is that as humans we have a real hard time staying away from extremes Feb 18 07:14:36 THEN we can discuss Feb 18 07:14:37 <[g2]-away> it's totally off topic-here and not in line with the discussion rules Feb 18 07:14:42 true :) Feb 18 07:14:53 i'm called "offtopic" giel Feb 18 07:14:54 :P Feb 18 07:14:55 <[g2]-away> I'm am *VERY* interesting in your point though Feb 18 07:15:37 [g2]-away: my main point is that most of the ppl who are against software patents don't know enough about patents in general and software patents in specific to form a well-biased opinion Feb 18 07:15:42 and yet, they do Feb 18 07:16:02 yeah, like people speaking against death penalty .. Feb 18 07:16:37 who de they think they are ? suckers. Feb 18 07:17:36 <[g2]-away> giel, how big is your linuxrc that can boot to the hd/flash ? Feb 18 07:18:00 [g2]-away: 20 lines or so? Feb 18 07:18:20 [g2]-away: not even, 15 maybe Feb 18 07:18:49 [g2]-away: it loads usb/scsi modules, tries to mount sda2 and find init there, if it does, it runs, if it doesn't, it runs init from jffs2 Feb 18 07:20:15 <[g2]-away> can you edit it and put a space at the beginning of each line and then paste it here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/BootDiscussion Feb 18 07:20:34 [g2]-away: tonight, when home Feb 18 07:20:47 <[g2]-away> that's wonderful, thx Feb 18 07:21:04 [g2]-away: but i think i'm gonna ditch the whole initrd and just do a root=/dev/sda2, with a kernel with built in usb/scsi Feb 18 07:21:15 not sure tho Feb 18 07:21:35 i don't really need fast boot times, and stuff for emergencies are nice too Feb 18 07:22:00 <[g2]-away> giel, I'm gonna try that too Feb 18 07:22:41 <[g2]> giel have you tried the hotplug-ng stuff ? Feb 18 07:23:56 not yet Feb 18 07:24:20 <[g2]> Is siddy uClibc too ? Feb 18 07:27:03 [g2]: i'll be away for the weekend, so I'll just add my linuxrc tonight Feb 18 07:27:10 i'm going to siddy-land :) Feb 18 07:27:15 well, and to belgium too Feb 18 07:28:46 Crap! My rootfs is still broken Feb 18 07:31:18 [g2]: In your mtd-utils_20050217.bb file, do you have a patch called file://add-exclusion-to-mkfs-jffs2.patch;patch=1 ? Feb 18 07:31:48 <[g2]> VoodooZ_Work, I'll check Feb 18 07:32:28 <[g2]> bash-2.05b$ md5sum ../openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils/add-exclusion-to-mkfs-jffs2.patch Feb 18 07:32:28 <[g2]> 8a7fd7c668d277c818842c8462b44a71 ../openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils/add-exclusion-to-mkfs-jffs2.patch Feb 18 07:33:14 ok, same here. Feb 18 07:33:22 I have no idea what's going then. Feb 18 07:33:24 <[g2]> but my mtd is mtd-utils_20050128.bb Feb 18 07:33:35 ummmm. Feb 18 07:34:02 I guess that's not fix for openslug. I might have pulled directly from oe-devel once. Feb 18 07:34:31 How could I revert though? Feb 18 07:34:35 <[g2]> are you pulling from nslu2-linux ? Feb 18 07:34:41 normally yes. Feb 18 07:34:59 I was too impatient to get the hotplug-ng stuff so I pulled from oe-devel once. Feb 18 07:35:18 <[g2]> I normall pull from oe-devel Feb 18 07:35:24 really? Feb 18 07:35:35 <[g2]> sure I change parents often Feb 18 07:35:41 I would just reclone but it's not that easy with all my personal changes. Feb 18 07:35:54 How come you have an old mtd package then? Feb 18 07:36:23 Maybe I could try forcing it to your version. Feb 18 07:36:24 <[g2]> because today is the 18th and I pulled early yesterday to get the hotplug stuff Feb 18 07:37:00 I don't know. I'm just trying to find something that might have changed. Feb 18 07:37:17 <[g2]> you did a full rebuild right ? Feb 18 07:37:44 more than one! Feb 18 07:39:26 I just added two lines to my local.conf file to fix the cvs date to yours and I'll try again. Feb 18 07:39:49 would ceaning openslug-image package be enough to rebuild the rootfs? Feb 18 07:40:55 <[g2]> should be Feb 18 07:41:36 Crap. It still pulled in the latest. Feb 18 07:42:17 Perhaps somebody will get the same problem once they pull in too. Feb 18 08:01:47 does rdesktop work as expected? Feb 18 08:02:05 depends on what you expect Feb 18 08:02:10 but mainly, yes Feb 18 08:03:01 thanks Feb 18 08:04:48 do you guys still use genext2fs somewhere, or have you switched completely to jffs2 ? Feb 18 08:06:39 our initrd is ext2 Feb 18 08:08:34 ok, thx Feb 18 08:12:42 ~stay Feb 18 08:12:43 woof Feb 18 08:16:18 ~botsnack Feb 18 08:16:18 thanks, giel Feb 18 08:16:20 np Feb 18 08:49:22 Does anyone know the equiv of nohup on nslu2? Feb 18 08:53:13 nohup Feb 18 08:53:36 i mean, you're running linux, so why should programs suddenly change names? Feb 18 09:25:54 uggh... cups is not functioning with libssl.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Feb 18 09:32:09 welcome to development :) Feb 18 09:32:23 argghhh! Feb 18 09:32:33 he he Feb 18 09:32:42 just trying to follow HowTo.AddPrinter Feb 18 09:33:13 if you can duplicate it several times then report it as a slugbug if there already isn't one Feb 18 09:33:47 I assume (feel free to correct me and laugh while doing so) that it means something else on slug is using that library? or the library actually doesn't exist? Feb 18 09:40:03 ah... I *think* I found it.. cups dependecy on openssl Feb 18 09:40:11 ) Feb 18 09:40:23 good deal Feb 18 09:40:41 * ByronT is crossing fingers Feb 18 09:41:16 ding ding ding - give me a cookie Feb 18 09:41:45 yay! no slugbug. Feb 18 09:41:54 yeah.. slugbug Feb 18 09:42:08 cups needs a dependency set - openssl Feb 18 09:43:01 just an idea, but how hard to setup a "clean" slug for testing packages to see if they install all of their dependencies by themselves? Feb 18 09:43:29 put it up on the list...see if it flies. Feb 18 09:43:37 (it very well might) Feb 18 09:44:02 maybe I could help... I have an extra slug now Feb 18 09:46:48 that would be a big help. Feb 18 09:47:06 testing and verification is an important part of development Feb 18 09:47:23 s/is/are Feb 18 09:47:24 testing, verification, documentation.... Feb 18 09:47:40 yep Feb 18 09:48:08 you see that I ran down that bk send issue (windows only of course) Feb 18 09:48:21 yes....wiki page? Feb 18 09:48:29 (I saw in channel that you had) Feb 18 09:48:31 BitKeeperXP Feb 18 09:48:50 you know me, I'm fairly religious about wiki and doco Feb 18 09:49:52 yep ;) Feb 18 09:53:47 heh... bug 100 Feb 18 10:03:25 [g2]: i've edited the page Feb 18 10:04:43 <[g2]> giel, welcome home Feb 18 10:04:45 <[g2]> thx Feb 18 10:05:03 hi folks! Feb 18 10:05:16 what's the *one* thing today siddy? Feb 18 10:05:18 <[g2]> hey siddy! Feb 18 10:05:24 hi siddeh Feb 18 10:05:30 [g2]: I'm rebuilding with a fresh clone so we'll see what happens with that rootfs crap. Feb 18 10:05:55 [g2]: i've added a few lines which i've used for debugging, ie starting telnetd and dropping into a shell Feb 18 10:05:57 I just did an interesting observation concerning those "irq26: nobody cared" errors! Feb 18 10:06:12 [g2]: btw, I was looking at the update-modules_1.0.bb file and there's the bad call to /etc/init.d/modutils.sh. Feb 18 10:06:26 it probably would need to be wrapped for 2.4/2.6 Feb 18 10:07:19 or make a symlink in 2.6, but that's oogleh Feb 18 10:07:39 siddy, I'm all ears :-) Feb 18 10:07:49 yeah. Feb 18 10:07:53 siddy: me too, ears! Feb 18 10:08:34 they seem to be correlating with alignment-errors, I get ~1000 of them per irq26-error. Feb 18 10:09:23 whoah Feb 18 10:09:41 so, before my test it was: Feb 18 10:09:42 root@slug:~# cat /proc/cpu/alignment Feb 18 10:09:43 User: 0 Feb 18 10:09:43 System: 2536 Feb 18 10:09:43 Skipped: 0 Feb 18 10:09:43 Half: 6 Feb 18 10:09:44 Word: 2530 Feb 18 10:09:46 Multi: 0 Feb 18 10:10:01 then I produced an irq26-error by massive md5summing and got: Feb 18 10:10:13 <[g2]> siddy can you echo 5 > /proc/cpu/alignment ? Feb 18 10:10:14 # cat /proc/cpu/alignment Feb 18 10:10:14 User: 0 Feb 18 10:10:15 System: 3711 Feb 18 10:10:15 Skipped: 0 Feb 18 10:10:15 Half: 6 Feb 18 10:10:15 Word: 3705 Feb 18 10:10:17 Multi: 0 Feb 18 10:10:19 User faults: 3 (fixup+warn) Feb 18 10:10:51 <[g2]> ~nslu2-camps Feb 18 10:10:52 methinks nslu2-camps is 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility Feb 18 10:10:56 [g2], there's already a "3" as you can see, should be sufficient. Feb 18 10:11:08 that's interesting - but my openslug has been up for 71 days and I only have System: 6 Feb 18 10:11:44 <[g2]> siddy, 5 will generate sigbus faults and log the erros Feb 18 10:11:47 <[g2]> errors Feb 18 10:12:17 <[g2]> it's happening in a system driver somewhere Feb 18 10:12:17 [g2], but only user-space errors, those 1000 are in kernel and won't be reported (if I understood the docs correctly) Feb 18 10:13:24 <[g2]> ehci_driver Feb 18 10:14:06 why doesn't my counter show those ? Feb 18 10:14:41 [g2], perhaps, it will probably be one of ehci-hcd, scsi, sd or usb-storage... is there any easy way to find those alignment-errors? Feb 18 10:15:47 <[g2]> I don't know of any, but Lennert or one of the guys on the list probably knows more Feb 18 10:17:20 sweet... cups now working Feb 18 10:17:49 <[g2]> ByronT, cool do you use OE at all ? Feb 18 10:18:00 not at all Feb 18 10:18:39 back later Feb 18 10:18:41 unslung 3.17 and now a linksys r25 <- maybe to be used as "clean" slug for testing packages Feb 18 10:19:31 <[g2]> Compiling language.c... Feb 18 10:19:31 <[g2]> language.c: In function `cupsLangGet': Feb 18 10:19:31 <[g2]> language.c:457: error: `CUPS_LOCALEDIR' undeclared (first use in this function) Feb 18 10:19:34 [g2], I could add a little stackdump in alignment.c ... perhaps later today, I'm not in kernel-compilation-mood atm. ;) Feb 18 10:20:04 <[g2]> siddy, you know the short cut right ? Feb 18 10:20:18 ? Feb 18 10:20:31 oh yes, I know. Feb 18 10:20:35 does Inge ever come online here? Feb 18 10:20:36 <[g2]> good. Feb 18 10:21:03 <[g2]> siddy, THX for working through these issues Feb 18 10:21:14 ~praise siddy Feb 18 10:21:16 All hail siddy! Feb 18 10:21:36 np, guys! Feb 18 10:21:39 (maybe that will get siddy into the "mood") Feb 18 10:22:14 <[g2]> ByronT, got any clue where the CUPS_LOCALEDIR is supposed to come from ? Feb 18 10:22:25 ByronT, not atm, I have to look into my books for another two hours or so, perhaps later. Feb 18 10:23:03 <[g2]> siddy, did you add the network console stuff to the wiki ? Feb 18 10:23:26 [g2], yeah http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/EnableNetconsole Feb 18 10:23:37 <[g2]> Cool, I want to try that out later Feb 18 10:23:40 <[g2]> thx Feb 18 10:24:00 it worked quite good for me, but didn't really help with my Oops. Feb 18 10:24:33 [g2]- don't know, but can research Feb 18 10:24:58 <[g2]> ByronT, openssl builds in OE and cups tries to build Feb 18 10:32:26 [g2]: THe fresh clone built the rootfs correctly. so It has to be somewhere in my repo. Crap. I guess I have to migrate all my changes again. Feb 18 10:32:58 <[g2]> VoodooZ_lunch, I was going to let you know that my pull and build just worked Feb 18 10:33:33 yeah. As usual, it's just me. :( Feb 18 10:34:05 Which package would you start looking at? Feb 18 10:35:44 <[g2]> VoodooZ_lunch, didn't you a port a pull the other day ? or forget to the the update part after the pull Feb 18 10:36:18 yes. But I did like 6 times since Feb 18 10:38:52 I don't mind browsing through packages bb files to compare with the good repo but I don't know where to start to narrow the search Feb 18 10:39:40 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, I'd just compare the .bb files Feb 18 10:40:20 yes, but of which packages in particular? Feb 18 10:49:36 [g2]: the .bb files of which packages though? Feb 18 10:53:06 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, there are only 350ish OpenSlug specific ones Feb 18 10:53:52 <[g2]> the nslu2-symlinks lets you know almost all the dirs Feb 18 10:54:29 <[g2]> a "find packages -name "*.bb" gets the list of files to diff Feb 18 10:54:29 I know but I thought knowing that my rootfs is hosed would help eliminiate a few at least. Feb 18 10:55:01 btw, my fresh repo image booted in ~42seconds. Feb 18 10:55:30 <[g2]> you could move the tmp directories off some where and diff the tree excluding SCCS too Feb 18 10:55:38 Did you also get the: VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev ram0 message on bootup? Feb 18 10:56:00 ~nslu2-camps Feb 18 10:56:01 it has been said that nslu2-camps is 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility Feb 18 10:56:11 I thought about doing that but I have so many private changes that it would be unpractical. Feb 18 10:56:16 <[g2]> that's because the /etc/fstab / entry has ext2 instead of /mnt/block4 and jffs2 Feb 18 10:56:23 true. Feb 18 10:56:47 <[g2]> I know where the problem is in OE but don't know a clean fix for it Feb 18 10:57:12 For the fstab thing? Feb 18 10:57:17 <[g2]> nod. Feb 18 10:58:31 you meant, /dev/mtdblock4 right? Feb 18 10:59:10 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, yeah for the root device Feb 18 10:59:25 yep. worked fine with /dev/mtdblock4 jffs2 Feb 18 11:02:28 hotplug-ng definitely is faster. Feb 18 11:02:56 <[g2]> way faster Feb 18 11:03:21 Did kergoth mention anything new about the missing scripts? Feb 18 11:03:45 <[g2]> no, but I did see a change in the repo today Feb 18 11:04:05 yeah, me too. that's why I was wondering. Feb 18 11:04:31 also, in your latest pull did you get the 20050217 flavour of mtd-utils? Feb 18 11:04:37 <[g2]> nod. Feb 18 11:04:42 ok. Feb 18 11:15:26 <[g2]> giel, do you really insmod the usb/scsi drivers ? Feb 18 11:17:46 yeah Feb 18 11:19:25 <[g2]> ahh.. you don't normally mount the jffs2 partition so you can insmod them from the /mnt/jffs2/..... Feb 18 11:20:55 <[g2]> I was thinking the thing to do is add a I/O driver that sense the reset button being depressed and adding some feedback on the LEDS Feb 18 11:21:19 <[g2]> then the conditional part would be based on the user pressing the reset and holding it Feb 18 11:22:18 yeah i want led control too Feb 18 11:22:42 [g2]: indeed, i don't mount jffs2, i insmod them from switchbox Feb 18 11:23:19 [g2]: i'm currently running a kernel without jffs2 compiled in :) Feb 18 11:23:35 [g2]: and i'm looking into removing mtd support too Feb 18 11:23:48 <[g2]> how big is that stuff ? Feb 18 11:23:52 dunno Feb 18 11:24:05 but i want it because i can :) Feb 18 11:24:11 <[g2]> nod. Feb 18 11:24:54 <[g2]> Do you use the second partition or just always boot to hd/flash ? Feb 18 11:25:10 hm? Feb 18 11:25:28 oh, the second partition happened to be my root Feb 18 11:25:31 first is swap Feb 18 11:25:43 <[g2]> the partition on flash after switchbox Feb 18 11:25:51 oh that one Feb 18 11:25:56 no, don't use it at all atm Feb 18 11:25:59 <[g2]> where jffs2 is normally for us Feb 18 11:26:10 it only gets used if i boot without the hdd plugged in Feb 18 11:26:25 well, not atm, 'cause my kernel doesn't do jffs2 :) Feb 18 11:26:40 <[g2]> so you build it with ext2 right now Feb 18 11:26:45 for the moment i see no need for the flash Feb 18 11:26:53 ext2 + ext3 Feb 18 11:27:19 <[g2]> I meant the rootfs partition type Feb 18 11:27:27 rootfs is ext2 Feb 18 11:27:55 giel.. More specifically I can't find nohup exe... Feb 18 11:27:55 <[g2]> ok so switchbox part and rootfs are both ext2 Feb 18 11:28:27 garpinc: well, maybe it just isn't there Feb 18 11:28:55 i.e: bash: nohup: command not found Feb 18 11:29:12 Oh so there is no current nohup as far as you know.. Feb 18 11:45:02 * ByronT is away -( lunch )- at 01:45p -( P:On / L:On )- Feb 18 11:58:31 damn! Feb 18 11:58:48 okay guys, false alarm. Feb 18 12:00:17 looks like the 1k alignment-errors per irq26-msg were triggered by netconsole. :-( Feb 18 12:00:58 Can anyone confirm nohup command "just isn't there" Feb 18 12:01:10 and the funny thing is: I can't stack-dump the netconsole-errors, because I'll get a nioce recursion if I do so. Feb 18 12:01:23 * siddy cries Feb 18 12:01:39 <[g2]> siddy, now we know what driver is causing and where :) Feb 18 12:02:53 [g2], yeah, fortunately netconsole.c is quite short, but I can't see where it could cause an alignment-error. Feb 18 13:09:34 bob_tm-away: proftpd still has problems. Feb 18 13:12:59 Ok - which ones? Feb 18 13:13:20 make[2]: Entering directory `/home/unslung/packages/builds/proftpd' Feb 18 13:13:21 make[2]: *** [install-man] Error 1 Feb 18 13:13:40 . /usr/bin/install: cannot change ownership of . `/home/unslung/packages/builds/proftpd-1.2.10-ipk/opt/man/man8/ftpdctl.8': Operation not permitted Feb 18 13:13:55 . /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./src/ftpdctl.8 . /home/unslung/packages/builds/proftpd-1.2.10-ipk/opt/man/man8 Feb 18 13:14:02 Thanks - I will look into it. Feb 18 13:14:12 (those lines are out of order, and have dots added to the start for IRC, but you get the idea) Feb 18 13:14:21 Sure Feb 18 13:14:26 all Unslung packages must build and package as a non-root user Feb 18 13:14:31 It does not fail on cross, but I removed them anyway Feb 18 13:14:39 I don't compile as root. Feb 18 13:14:44 that failed on cross for me Feb 18 13:15:04 giving -o root -g root in an install line will fail for a non-root user Feb 18 13:15:12 The chown commands don't fail here - they give errors, but they are not fatal. Feb 18 13:15:43 I will find out why it is still in there Feb 18 13:15:55 Are they fatal on your setup? Feb 18 13:16:03 yes, as they should be Feb 18 13:16:14 They should be, but they are not here Feb 18 13:16:19 ok Feb 18 13:16:20 Thanks Feb 18 13:17:16 [g2]-away: just successfully build openslug-image (linux-hotplug was missing from nslu2-package-symlinks) Feb 18 13:19:25 good. Feb 18 13:19:47 rwhitby: Shit - it wasn't checked in - you're right. Feb 18 13:20:22 language .... :-) Feb 18 13:20:52 rwhitby, btw, I still have that bad jffs2 root and was wondering which package(s) are responsible for its creation so I can compare them to my working fresh repo. Feb 18 13:22:00 VoodooZ_work: my openslug-image tmp/rootfs is complete from the latest repo, so all I can suggest is a complete rebuild Feb 18 13:22:20 openslug-image is the one that builds it Feb 18 13:23:10 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/proftpd.mk: Replaced proftp install-man with explicit installs of each man page to avoid chown root:root Feb 18 13:26:52 the problem is that I have lots of private changes in my current repo. I cloned a fresh repo to see if it worked and it does but I'd rather not have to migrate all my changes to it. ouch. Feb 18 13:27:20 I was thinking of comparing the .bb files of the old and new repo to see where the changes are though. Feb 18 13:27:38 I'm just trying to narrow down the search a bit. Feb 18 13:29:26 rwhitby-treo: Did you see my last message? (I just realised you were away) Feb 18 13:31:20 the problem is that I have lots of private changes in my current repo. I cloned a fresh repo to see if it worked and it does but I'd rather not have to migrate all my changes to it. ouch. Feb 18 13:31:36 I was thinking of comparing the .bb files of the old and new repo to see where the changes are though. I'm just trying to narrow down the search a bit. Feb 18 13:49:48 VoodooZ_log: I can't really help there ... Feb 18 13:50:14 Thanks anyways. I wish I would understand this OE maze. Feb 18 13:51:36 oh well, I'm going home. Feb 18 13:51:37 later Feb 18 13:54:25 later Feb 18 13:57:51 flashing openslug onto devslug now ... Feb 18 14:02:45 <[g2]-away> rwhitby, I don't think I checked in the hotplug-ng change yet Feb 18 14:03:03 <[g2]-away> did you just tweak the openslug.conf file ? Feb 18 14:03:19 nope, I built from repo with no local changes Feb 18 14:03:30 booting now Feb 18 14:03:34 <[g2]-away> cool Feb 18 14:03:51 <[g2]-away> did you see the wiki updates that giel did ? Feb 18 14:03:57 switchbox seems to have worked fine ... Feb 18 14:04:15 <[g2]-away> yes 3.9 boots OPenslug Feb 18 14:04:21 yep - why don't we have all those modules static for the hardware that is on-board ? Feb 18 14:04:24 <[g2]-away> 4.7 doesn't Feb 18 14:04:48 <[g2]-away> we could, but then ppl need to reflash the kernel for module fixes Feb 18 14:04:57 <[g2]-away> I'll be back in a bit Feb 18 14:05:18 for those basic modules I doubt there will be changes that don't have corresponding kernel changes anyway ... Feb 18 14:05:51 grep: invalid option -- o Feb 18 14:05:59 error on openslug boot Feb 18 14:06:07 one of the startup scripts it looks like Feb 18 14:06:24 . /usr/lib/ipkg/info/update-modules.postinst: 5: /etc/init.d/modutils.sh: not found Feb 18 14:06:26 another error Feb 18 14:07:29 Starting portmap daemon: portmap/sbin/portmap already running. Feb 18 14:08:28 got prompt Feb 18 14:08:53 dropbear works Feb 18 14:09:19 root@nslu2:~# df Feb 18 14:09:20 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Feb 18 14:09:20 . /dev/mtdblock4 6400 4636 1764 72% / Feb 18 14:09:20 tmpfs 15324 20 15304 0% /var Feb 18 14:09:20 tmpfs 15324 0 15324 0% /media/ram Feb 18 14:09:54 [g2]-away: should I debug those errors, or just try switchbox 4 ? Feb 18 14:36:14 we need to get openslug to light the ready/status led and disk leds ... :-) Feb 18 14:57:46 rwhitby-treo haven't talked in a while... Did you have any problems with the additional packages I checked in? Feb 18 15:01:06 <[g2]-away> rwhitby-treo, the update-modules is from ipk-update iirc, the grep -o can be fixed with a sed change, but may be gone with hotplug-ng because that's in the hotplug scripts Feb 18 15:18:13 dyoung-onstrike, why? Feb 18 15:20:31 hmm, let me get into character. Feb 18 15:31:34 <[g2]-away> nslu2-newbie, hey are you mad at me ? Feb 18 15:31:53 no, should I be? Feb 18 15:31:58 I can be if you like. Feb 18 15:32:08 but I need a reason first. Feb 18 15:32:55 <[g2]> I can probably make you laugh a little Feb 18 15:35:07 <[g2]> Did you guys see Helmut's pic's of his project ? Feb 18 15:35:38 that was a pretty kool app. Feb 18 15:35:57 <[g2]> I went out and got a battery case and plug for < $5 at the Shack Feb 18 15:36:20 did you cook it when you plugged in the polarity reversed? Feb 18 15:36:39 * [g2] is gonna have a battery powered slug soon -- after I pratice my soldering skillz Feb 18 15:36:46 <[g2]> I check the polarity Feb 18 15:36:49 heh Feb 18 15:36:57 * dyoung-onstrike whistles Feb 18 15:38:46 * ka6sox-grinder looks east for smoke signals Feb 18 15:41:15 i'm guessing that they would run on anything between 4.8v and 6v - anyone know for sure? Feb 18 15:42:14 what? the nslu2? Feb 18 15:42:22 yes Feb 18 15:42:41 uh..not if you want it to live Feb 18 15:42:43 Not sure about 6V but 4.8V should be okay Feb 18 15:43:47 <[g2]> well it'll be 4.8 (4 nimh) Feb 18 15:44:02 <[g2]> + appears to be the center post Feb 18 15:44:23 * [g2] forages for soldering iron Feb 18 15:44:29 brb--rebooting Feb 18 15:45:45 6v is only 20% more voltage - when I get a spare, I'll test the smoke output ;-) Feb 18 15:45:58 yeah but a lot of things don't like 20% more voltage Feb 18 15:46:04 Is there a regulator onboard? Feb 18 15:46:17 there is a 3.3V one Feb 18 15:46:32 I don't think there is one for the 5V line Feb 18 15:46:46 whats that '74 running on? Feb 18 15:46:47 the NSLU2 itself might survive but I don't think your USB devices would appreciate 6V Feb 18 15:47:15 yeah, thats kindd of what I was thinking too... Cooked USB Bits. Feb 18 15:47:36 You could do Something Ugly (tm) Feb 18 15:47:38 My advice is not to try it Feb 18 15:48:12 4.8v it is then Feb 18 15:49:09 I'll be doing Something Ugly (tm) myself later. Feb 18 15:49:49 dyoung: Hmmm.... Does it involve a certain chip? :) Feb 18 15:49:52 remotely powered nslu2, so I'm gonna send it 24 or whatever I have lying around up the extra ethernet lines. Feb 18 15:50:03 slap on a PTI somewhere... Feb 18 15:50:15 BAM, 5V. Feb 18 15:50:31 I could put a '244 in there somewhere.... Feb 18 15:50:32 hmm Feb 18 15:50:33 PTI? Feb 18 15:50:47 You can buy PoE adapters Feb 18 15:50:56 are USB ports powered on these to the extent that they could power a mini HD? Feb 18 15:51:00 Power Trends makes a cool 78xx pin compatible DC/DC assy. Feb 18 15:51:25 The Cheap PoE adapter is the linksys one; and it cost me ~$30. Feb 18 15:51:41 Kirk_22: Mini? Feb 18 15:51:58 laptop or smaller Feb 18 15:51:58 like the 2.5" drive you have velcro'd to yours I think.... Feb 18 15:52:34 dyoung- I was actually hoping to put one inside the case Feb 18 15:52:38 If the enclosure it is in draws less than 0.5A at 5V then yes Feb 18 15:52:47 You can't fit one into the NSLU2 casing Feb 18 15:53:11 Velcro is your friend. Feb 18 15:53:21 so is duct tape. Feb 18 15:53:41 don't say can't...I have all kinds of tools ;-) Feb 18 15:53:45 hehe Feb 18 15:53:50 You can probably be okay if it draws 1A at 5V. I don't think it's being particularly intelligent regarding the power supply. I think it is just wired to the 5V input.... Feb 18 15:53:53 Check on the bare PCB Feb 18 15:54:10 It's quite cramped in the NSLU2 casing Feb 18 15:54:19 You could wedge a microdrive in there just about Feb 18 15:55:47 I'l have to break it apart again later....right now I'm xfering files so I don't want to risk it Feb 18 15:58:08 I happen to have a laptop drive handy Feb 18 15:58:23 There are bits in the way Feb 18 15:58:49 If you can move all the large caps, the RTC battery, buzzer and the ethernet socket then you can fit it in... Feb 18 15:58:54 how far is it off? Feb 18 15:59:12 * ByronT is back -( lunch )- gone 4 hr 14 min 10 s Feb 18 16:00:10 Or you can sacrifice the bottom LED and move the power button along with the caps, battery and buzzer Feb 18 16:00:20 then you don't have to move the ethernet socket Feb 18 16:00:56 depth wise once you move those parts then it's got plenty of space Feb 18 16:02:33 how many caps are there? and is there space on the back side of the board to resolder them? Feb 18 16:03:02 5 caps, the piezo buzzer and the RTC battery Feb 18 16:03:11 No space on the back Feb 18 16:03:16 they're quite tall electrolytic ones Feb 18 16:03:31 You may be able to wire the up on long leads and just wedge them in at the back Feb 18 16:03:35 can they be layed down? Feb 18 16:03:37 A lot of work anyway :) Feb 18 16:03:56 No Feb 18 16:04:21 so you are saying to wait for the NSLU4 Feb 18 16:04:34 Or velcro :) Feb 18 16:04:44 agreed Feb 18 16:04:53 ... Velcro is your *best* friend. Feb 18 16:05:04 and duct tape! Feb 18 16:05:27 what do you guys do about the short USB cables? Feb 18 16:05:40 * ka6sox has a vision of a Slug duct taped to the side of a rocket shot into space. Feb 18 16:05:40 short? Feb 18 16:06:10 Mine sits on top of the bare drive Feb 18 16:06:10 go to the "misc cables and other crap" store and buy the 6" cable for $8. Feb 18 16:06:10 Kirk_22, get a cable stretcher. Feb 18 16:06:26 talk to china - they might have done it already Feb 18 16:06:48 dyoung-onstrike, incoming pix Feb 18 16:07:08 ka6 - what' a cable stretcher? Feb 18 16:07:29 A Mythical Tool. Feb 18 16:07:49 (I wanst kidding BTW... one of my local misc stuff stores had 6" cables for $8) Feb 18 16:08:05 getting your money's worth there Feb 18 16:08:25 better than Beast Buy for $39.99 Feb 18 16:08:39 <[g2]> THIS IS JUST TOO COOL! Feb 18 16:08:50 turn up the heat then Feb 18 16:09:10 I hope he doesn't have a low ceiling there. Feb 18 16:09:42 zip ties are good for *shortening* long cables Feb 18 16:09:49 <[g2]-battery> we've got the slug booted and running on the batteries :) Feb 18 16:09:50 ka6 - ahhh - ya got me on the electrician joke Feb 18 16:10:15 Network Guy joke. Feb 18 16:10:52 better turn off those 5K intrerrupts/sec... Feb 18 16:10:57 <[g2]-battery> I wonder if now's a good time to reflash :) Feb 18 16:11:08 do you want me to post the blurry ones too? Feb 18 16:11:16 no Feb 18 16:11:21 Are you sure? Feb 18 16:11:25 tehyre really blurrry. Feb 18 16:11:26 <[g2]-battery> just kidding :) Feb 18 16:11:49 okay post them...I'm not sure what is happening. Feb 18 16:11:50 ka6sox != expert photographer? Feb 18 16:11:50 The machines are running so fast; theyre bending the Space-Time Continuum. Feb 18 16:12:20 ByronT, laying down on your belly to take the picture of the slug is tough :) Feb 18 16:14:21 * Tiersten must have missed something Feb 18 16:14:44 Tiersten, you will see in a minute...graphically illustrated. Feb 18 16:15:09 yeah, I keep checking the RecentChanges... Feb 18 16:17:09 http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/gastronomic Feb 18 16:17:52 dyoung-onstrike, can you edit the names? Feb 18 16:17:54 whats going on in IMG_0024? Feb 18 16:17:56 or can I? Feb 18 16:18:25 has the space-time continuum warped so much that everything went 90 degrees during that pic and it all went fuzzy? ;) Feb 18 16:18:44 IMG_24 needs me to fix it and resend Feb 18 16:18:51 you can rotate in gallery Feb 18 16:19:07 also I had the help of a 3yr old hanging all over me while I took that one. Feb 18 16:19:34 hence the led's waving around. Feb 18 16:19:39 ah Feb 18 16:19:50 youngsters are good at inducing camera shake Feb 18 16:19:56 there we go Feb 18 16:19:57 rotated it Feb 18 16:20:31 thanks tiersten! Feb 18 16:20:40 dyoung: you really need to upgrade gallery Feb 18 16:21:09 yeah I know. Feb 18 16:21:26 I have the file dl-d. Just need to get off my lazy a$$ and do it. Feb 18 16:22:04 as a acid reflux sufferer, what was the idea behind "gastronomic" (just wondering) Feb 18 16:22:22 okay look again..I fixed the captions Feb 18 16:22:39 Dont look at me I didnt do it. Feb 18 16:22:46 dunno.... Feb 18 16:22:46 Gastro is short for gastropod Feb 18 16:23:04 but someone came up with "nomic" sometime..... Feb 18 16:23:17 I would rather call it banana Feb 18 16:23:21 slugs are part of the gastropoda class Feb 18 16:23:33 or Nudibranch (Sea Slug) Feb 18 16:23:34 I got the gastropoda part Feb 18 16:23:53 sigh Feb 18 16:24:02 "Dont lookit me I didnt do it" Feb 18 16:24:14 :) Feb 18 16:24:18 okay are those captions sufficient? Feb 18 16:24:23 or do I need to explain more? Feb 18 16:24:38 they're good Feb 18 16:24:41 looks fine Feb 18 16:24:56 I understood them and I'm pretty sure I'm the lowest common denominator Feb 18 16:25:31 Tiersten, gallery 1.4.4-pl6 or 1.5-rc1 ? (just noticed that 1.5 came out rc1 the other day...) Feb 18 16:25:34 for $30 we can get clear side and top panels for the shuttle Feb 18 16:25:45 they look cool (I have some) Feb 18 16:25:45 and flashy LED Fans? Feb 18 16:25:57 heh Feb 18 16:26:13 I'm using pl6 at the moment Feb 18 16:26:26 Its insane, the flashy led fan is cheaper than the normal one Feb 18 16:26:47 more are sold? Feb 18 16:27:17 Build quality better on the normal one? Feb 18 16:27:27 The flashy ones I've seen have had nasty bearings Feb 18 16:27:27 Sleeve Bearing :P Feb 18 16:27:30 yeah Feb 18 16:27:43 ewww Feb 18 16:28:21 I have some dual ball bearing flashing ones Feb 18 16:30:32 Made in the same slave labour camp I'm sure. Same crappy compusa branded one. The LED one was like $1 less. Feb 18 16:30:42 The antec ball bearing ones were worse. Feb 18 16:30:49 the flashy onewas $2 less. Feb 18 16:30:50 heh Feb 18 16:31:10 I have some that have multiple led's in a line and as the fan spins it makes patterns Feb 18 16:33:31 okay there, gallery upgraded. Feb 18 16:34:05 cool Feb 18 16:42:40 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/libol/control: Initial commit Feb 18 16:43:38 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/syslog-ng/ (control postinst rc.rstimezone syslog-ng.conf): Initial release - disk based Feb 18 16:44:25 <[g2]> ok EE's how hard is it to convert 7.4v down to 5v ? Feb 18 16:44:38 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/libol.mk: Initial release Feb 18 16:45:09 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/syslog-ng.mk: Initial release - disk based Feb 18 16:45:09 <[g2]> My camera battery is 7.4v at 1100mAh Feb 18 16:45:16 [g2]: At what current? Feb 18 16:45:38 Slapping a linear regulator like a 7805 with a big heatsink would work Feb 18 16:45:50 <[g2]> I'd guess .75 to 1.5A Feb 18 16:46:14 Should be doable then Feb 18 16:46:25 It's not amazingly efficient though but it's the cheapest and simplest solution Feb 18 16:46:38 better than just a resistor divider network however Feb 18 16:46:42 <[g2]> how much heat would that generate ? Feb 18 16:47:51 <[g2]> 2.4v@2A = 4*2.4 = 9.6 Watts ? Feb 18 16:48:37 whats the 4? Feb 18 16:48:49 <[g2]> I**2 Feb 18 16:48:57 P=IV Feb 18 16:49:07 or P=I^2R Feb 18 16:49:33 <[g2]> nod, I got my R and V mixed up Feb 18 16:50:23 <[g2]> V=IR and V=2.4 and I=2 so R would = 1.2 Ohms ? Feb 18 16:50:49 Find a cheap DC-DC converter. That'd probably be better Feb 18 16:50:58 ... like a pti. Feb 18 16:51:02 yeah Feb 18 16:51:10 <[g2]> or a 5v supply :) Feb 18 16:52:29 if you have a 7.4V battery, you just need a -2.4V battery to make 5V Feb 18 16:52:47 <[g2]> Or don't fully charge it right :) Feb 18 16:55:24 hmm, they used to be chepaer. Digikey 78ST205VC-ND Feb 18 16:55:41 $16 or so Feb 18 16:56:06 <[g2]> that's the dc-dc converter ? Feb 18 16:56:45 yeah Feb 18 16:57:04 theres cheaper ones. Feb 18 16:58:25 <[g2]> A 24 pack of NiMh AA 2300Ah batteries is on sale for $29.99 Feb 18 16:59:19 hmm Feb 18 16:59:29 Then you slap on your solar charge controller... Feb 18 16:59:43 wow where is that price? Feb 18 16:59:53 <[g2]> I'm waiting for that new coating to get releasd Feb 18 17:00:17 the "Its alive!" coating? Feb 18 17:00:21 <[g2]> This was just from a quick google Feb 18 17:00:23 <[g2]> http://www.batteryspace.com/ Feb 18 17:00:53 <[g2]> it's the one that raises the efficiecny up to 30% by trapping the UV Feb 18 17:01:15 Made in Slave Labour Camp.... Feb 18 17:01:25 Plus 6 case! keep cell from loss! Feb 18 17:01:30 (sic) Feb 18 17:02:01 [g2] yeah, I think thats the stuff. its a slimy goo that is either a bioproduct or a bio-byproduct. Feb 18 17:02:09 <[g2]> I'm sure VoodooZ_log will have a bunch of battery links :) Feb 18 17:02:44 What a pc term. I guess it sounds better than Bio-Poo Feb 18 17:03:04 <[g2]> In my non-technical grasp was the slap or paint the coating on and it's a one-way ticket for the UV Feb 18 17:03:12 "oop, keep cell from lost!" is what I meant. Feb 18 17:03:59 I wonder if these guys have spot welder too Feb 18 17:04:51 <[g2]> I knew these were coming but I've never seen one http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=404 Feb 18 17:05:11 http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=201 would be nice for you. Feb 18 17:05:28 <[g2]> YEAH! Feb 18 17:05:32 [g2], you like LED's? Feb 18 17:05:34 heh Feb 18 17:06:08 <[g2]> That'd be 2+ hours for the slug! Feb 18 17:06:21 <[g2]> probably closer to 4 Feb 18 17:06:45 <[g2]> but easily 2 with a BT adapter Feb 18 17:06:45 The Luxeon Star is made by Agilent. its Real Bright. Feb 18 17:06:53 theres a 1W, 3W and 5W version Feb 18 17:07:32 http://www.luxeonstar.com sells them in singles. Feb 18 17:07:59 you can also get it as a tactical light frrom... err.. Feb 18 17:08:04 (name escaping me...) Feb 18 17:09:56 surefire? Feb 18 17:10:10 a whole bunch of places make tactical lights with LEDs Feb 18 17:10:34 <[g2]> and one of these http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1104 Feb 18 17:10:44 I think the surefire ones aren't LED though. They're insanely bright Feb 18 17:10:52 and also go through CR123 batteries in about an hour Feb 18 17:11:18 thats them Feb 18 17:11:20 surefire Feb 18 17:11:22 500 lumens for 20 minutes for the M6 Guardian Feb 18 17:11:27 they have a LED version now Feb 18 17:11:29 takes 6 CR123s :) Feb 18 17:11:48 the weapon light has a 5W unit in it. Feb 18 17:12:19 It cost enough. Feb 18 17:12:24 MSRP is like $180 or something. Feb 18 17:12:51 The non LED ones are more expensive Feb 18 17:13:10 The top end one is $392 Feb 18 17:14:45 $250 for the X200... yeah, surefire makes all sorts of stuff. Feb 18 17:15:29 neat stuff but expensive! Feb 18 17:15:42 theh cheap led light is $125 as a unit. They also have just the LED Lamp assy for less to retrofit your older lens-melting unit. Feb 18 17:16:08 (that was a recall problem, so they started putting the pyrex lens on all of them) Feb 18 17:21:12 <[g2]> was scox delisted ? Feb 18 17:21:35 Didn't think it was yet but it is close to being? Feb 18 17:22:05 ~quote scox Feb 18 17:22:07 SCOX: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A -19:12am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A Feb 18 17:22:12 :-D Feb 18 17:22:18 :-) Feb 18 17:22:29 heh Feb 18 17:23:45 delisted... Feb 18 17:23:58 ~quote scoxe Feb 18 17:24:01 SCOXE: 4.05 (4.26/3.70), 2/18/2005 4:00pm, Opened 3.70, Volume 97,439, Change -0.03 Feb 18 17:29:10 Still there then Feb 18 17:29:36 the E indicates removal to OTC (IIRC) Feb 18 17:29:44 ah okay Feb 18 17:29:56 not traded on the floor Feb 18 17:29:57 I don't know about all that :) Feb 18 17:30:26 I've had the misfortune of having poor stock that went the NASDAQ -> OTC route Feb 18 17:30:35 it's penny stock these days Feb 18 17:31:06 ah no. it is still there Feb 18 17:31:10 http://ca.us.biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050217/lath062_1.html Feb 18 17:31:23 Feb 25th Feb 18 17:31:54 ah Feb 18 17:33:46 The judge in the IBM case isn't happy with them either Feb 18 17:34:25 Never a good thing to piss off the judge :) Feb 18 17:36:57 I recommend that we start telling new unslung users to go to tattoo parlor Feb 18 17:37:28 and have "I will remove drive from slug before flashing" placed on palm or forehead Feb 18 17:39:23 or am I just being too rough on newbies? Feb 18 17:39:30 ummm..ok..I'm a new user...and I didn't do that...but...I'm curious.....what happens?? Feb 18 17:40:14 short answer, a bricked slug is possible Feb 18 17:40:21 it fails Feb 18 17:40:24 it's not totally dead Feb 18 17:40:29 it just means you have to mess with redboot Feb 18 17:40:52 ok, can you be more specific Feb 18 17:41:01 curiously, how many bricked slugs were *really* bricks? Feb 18 17:41:08 None Feb 18 17:41:31 I've intentionally bricked mine a few times; but never beyond JTAG repair. Feb 18 17:41:48 I bricked one.. Feb 18 17:41:53 Jaqcues made his into a brick too; that was accidental; but it was recovered. Feb 18 17:42:08 mine hasn't recovered Feb 18 17:42:24 a door stop! Feb 18 17:42:28 ALl of the ones we're seeing on the yahoo group are from bad flashes and (probably) can be easily recovered through redboot. Feb 18 17:42:49 yes-door stop is the next level Feb 18 17:42:58 ka6sox, was that fatslug? Feb 18 17:43:09 yes..my original slug Feb 18 17:43:15 its dead ;*( Feb 18 17:43:20 Fatslugs dont count. Feb 18 17:43:45 when I get some more money I'll have to buy another. Feb 18 17:43:49 because once you start soldering extra RAM on, you had BETTER know what youre getting yourself into. ;-) Feb 18 17:44:08 this was a lung transplant though. Feb 18 17:44:22 oh yeah, thats worse! Feb 18 17:44:31 *both* lungs Feb 18 17:44:42 "Once you start removing stuff from your nslu2 motherboard, you had *BETTER* know what youre doing" Feb 18 17:45:22 well..until we get a bootloader/kernel combo that works its DEAD. Feb 18 17:45:23 so as far as we know, there have been NO unrecovered Bricked Slugs. Feb 18 17:45:31 soldergod? Feb 18 17:45:40 what about the salted one that Allan has? Feb 18 17:45:46 That was working Feb 18 17:45:58 ~[g2] Feb 18 17:45:59 well, [g2] is really cool, and an an all around nice guy! Also he is a real funny guy, the master of NSLU2 Buildroot and a known Slug Sacrificer. And editor of SlugNews. Feb 18 17:46:00 [g2] wanted JTAG, so he broke it. Feb 18 17:46:55 allan fixed it before he hit it with the heat gun. Feb 18 17:47:56 Kirk_22, read http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/2925 Feb 18 17:50:15 IIRC, the flash firmware can mistakenly try to store the firmware image on the disk or on the internal flash - rendering an unfinished flash.. ie a brick that can be recovered with the Redboot process Feb 18 17:50:22 Jim Tucker makes an excellennt observation in the list. Feb 18 17:50:22 ByronT - ok - I will when I recover my yahoo pw Feb 18 17:51:34 dyoung-onstrike, I just read that.... like I said, we need to send them to tattoo parlors Feb 18 17:51:41 I still think brick is the wrong word Feb 18 17:51:51 It's recoverable if you do the telnet into redboot trick Feb 18 17:52:09 Erase redboot then yeah, call it a brick since not everybody can use JTAG to fix it Feb 18 17:52:15 tiersten I agree. Feb 18 17:52:19 "powerdrainer" Feb 18 17:52:30 Expensive blinking LED Feb 18 17:52:42 byront, Yes, but the point is he followed exactly what the directions told him to do. Feb 18 17:53:59 I guess my point is that EVERWHERE we say to flash, we say to unplug disks Feb 18 17:54:21 Well, not according to the ResetSysConf wiki page. Feb 18 17:54:58 hmm? whats wrong with the page? Feb 18 17:55:05 but that doesn't have anything to do with reflashing? Feb 18 17:55:18 <[g2]> I didn't break it Feb 18 17:55:21 Right, It m akes total sense now Feb 18 17:55:38 When you blow away sysconf, it will attempt to rebuild it Feb 18 17:55:44 I'll make some quick changes Feb 18 17:55:52 but if it rebuilds based on the disk, its still going to be wrong. Feb 18 17:56:09 ah Feb 18 17:56:14 so you need to blow away sysconf, reboot with no disk attached, then ... etc Feb 18 17:56:32 I wrote that page because of somebody that came in here Feb 18 17:56:43 He somehow managed to corrupt sysconf and just clearing it fixed it Feb 18 17:56:54 Didn't need to do anything regarding unplugging the disk so I didn't think to add that Feb 18 17:57:08 Right. Feb 18 17:57:15 <- fixing that Feb 18 17:57:28 Hopefully that bit will eliminate a few "how come I can blow away my sysconf" type questions. Feb 18 17:57:55 [g2], I thought you broke it when you attempted to solder a serial header on it? Feb 18 17:58:30 <[g2]> dyoung-onstrike, yeah but that was just before I was going to send it Feb 18 17:58:37 oh, heh. Feb 18 17:58:47 * dyoung-onstrike hihdes Feb 18 17:59:30 <[g2]> I could have tried fixing it, but he was planning on taking the chips off anyway Feb 18 17:59:33 ok, FailSambaInformation and ResetSysConf have the "tattoos" Feb 18 17:59:41 <[g2]> it did fix it in like 5 minutes anyway Feb 18 18:01:42 nod; but the point of that thread was that none of these "bricks" were really busted beyond repair. Feb 18 18:02:17 and once you start soldering on the board, that should almost exclude it. Feb 18 18:02:21 <[g2]> and it worked fine, then he trashed it Feb 18 18:02:26 On http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/BootDiscussion what on earth is low and high touch? Feb 18 18:02:34 heh Feb 18 18:02:47 <[g2]> Ummm touch it a little Feb 18 18:02:49 Right. Feb 18 18:02:59 <[g2]> like your girl friend Feb 18 18:03:02 uh? Feb 18 18:03:02 I think it means low and high maintenance Feb 18 18:03:13 amount of effort Feb 18 18:03:14 wait-that depends on the blue smoke Feb 18 18:03:33 Just a bit confusing on the page because it refers to high-touch #4, low-kernel-touch #4 and low-touch #4 Feb 18 18:03:51 Now the only truly BUSTED nslu2's I know about are the ones that beewoolie accidentally lifted a trace from, and the one that his power GPIO stuck in "stayoff all the time" Feb 18 18:04:09 <[g2]> nod. Feb 18 18:04:21 The stay off one should be fixed by cutting the trace Feb 18 18:04:37 I thought the lifted trace one was for serial anyway? Feb 18 18:04:42 Or was that JTAG? Feb 18 18:04:43 <[g2]> Tiersten, would prefer low-tweak and high-tweak better ? Feb 18 18:04:59 [g2]: Yeah. Sounds better IMO :) Feb 18 18:05:09 <[g2]> Feel free to change the wiki :) Feb 18 18:05:14 k Feb 18 18:05:42 I think he lifted a jtag trace when he was moving the assembly around. Feb 18 18:06:07 I'm pretty sure the GPIO one can be fixed. Feb 18 18:06:15 so it's not dead really unless he breaks the bootloader Feb 18 18:06:34 heh both no longer have redboot. Feb 18 18:06:43 ah Feb 18 18:06:55 you can still reprogram it. it just requires some more effort Feb 18 18:07:13 I've not tried it with such a small pitch device as the strataflash but you can clamp a test clip onto a flash chip and do it that way Feb 18 18:07:35 it's a bit nasty in that you're driving the bus when the rest of the device is off and you can damage the CPU if you're not careful Feb 18 18:07:41 but it does work... Feb 18 18:15:30 ugghh... had to go for a bit there... bad thing about small kids... undersized diapers with oversized "payloads" Feb 18 18:15:34 Tiersten: I've hand resoldered it. Feb 18 18:17:18 I've done other chips of similar pitch as well. It's not fun Feb 18 18:17:28 More fun than trying to do BGA though Feb 18 18:18:57 hrmm.. we're getting some odd stuff in the sandbox Feb 18 18:19:04 Somebody named Bill ate a waffle and it was most fun apparently Feb 18 18:19:11 BGA == get out the hairdryer. Feb 18 18:19:35 * Tiersten wonders what type of hair ka6sox has to require a hair dryer capable of doing rework on BGAs... Feb 18 18:20:24 lol! Feb 18 18:21:38 okay..time for me to go find something to break... Feb 18 18:21:45 back later Feb 18 18:21:48 bye Feb 18 18:21:53 later Feb 18 18:22:29 * ka6sox gets ready to use gastro as a hockey puck... :P Feb 18 18:28:31 they don't play hockey anyore...batter up Feb 18 18:29:14 where I live there isn't much hockey..... Feb 18 18:29:26 if there is 1" of snow the whole town is going to be shut down. Feb 18 18:29:45 same here ka6sox Feb 18 18:29:48 where are you? Feb 18 18:29:58 100miles west of L.A. Feb 18 18:30:17 I'm just north of L.A.... Feb 18 18:30:29 L. A. for me being Lower Alabama Feb 18 18:30:30 Louisiana Feb 18 18:30:59 not snow much then I take it? Feb 18 18:31:30 Kirk_22, you get snow there though... Feb 18 18:31:57 usually if we get it, we really get it.. in 93 - last big storm - 4-5 foot snow drifts.. no power, electricity, water for a week Feb 18 18:32:02 6" per year Feb 18 18:32:14 i'm in VA Feb 18 18:32:14 nice to be near the coast Feb 18 18:32:16 :) Feb 18 18:32:39 Go visit scandinavia :) Feb 18 18:33:11 I've often wondered if I could get a paper airplane to make it to the ocean from the tops of some of the peaks around here. Feb 18 18:33:59 a glider paper airplane would do it Feb 18 18:34:06 :-) Feb 18 18:34:08 <[g2]> Anyone playing with the hotplug-ng ? Feb 18 18:34:22 okay f00d time...bbl Feb 18 18:35:28 ~nslu2-camps Feb 18 18:35:30 [nslu2-camps] 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility Feb 18 18:36:40 jbot, nslu2-camp5 is Complete RedBoot bootloader replacement; starting with APEX Feb 18 18:36:41 dyoung-onstrike: okay Feb 18 18:36:57 ~nslu2-camp5 Feb 18 18:36:59 Complete RedBoot bootloader replacement; starting with APEX Feb 18 18:38:42 'night all Feb 18 18:38:51 night Feb 18 18:42:37 dyoung just my opinion I think the camps 1 vs. 2 are so close as to be the same... Feb 18 18:45:22 not that it really matters - but I think it's an education/doco issue Feb 18 18:54:35 well, I'm gone til Monday - wife's grandfather died this morning Feb 18 18:54:46 later all Feb 18 19:17:38 dyoung-zzzz: why on strike earlier? Feb 18 20:02:18 rwhitby-away u there? Feb 18 22:54:29 Anyone around? Feb 18 23:18:50 03unslung 07 * r1.2812 10unslung-4.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Feb 18 23:18:50 Merge bk://nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/openembedded Feb 18 23:18:50 into builds.(none):/home/unslung/firmware/unslung-4.x Feb 18 23:18:56 03zecke 07 * r1.2787.128.71 10unslung-4.x/packages/qte/qte_2.3.10.bb: Feb 18 23:18:58 QtE 2.3.10: Feb 18 23:19:09 03zecke 07 * r1.2787.159.1 10unslung-4.x/packages/libxine/libxine-opie-1.0/configure-1.0.patch: Feb 18 23:19:11 Xine for Opie: Feb 18 23:19:15 AIGH Feb 18 23:19:23 I TOLD IT BK_SILENT=1! Feb 18 23:20:21 sorry CIA. Feb 18 23:21:45 ~hug cia-1 Feb 18 23:21:47 * jbot hugs cia-1 Feb 18 23:21:48 * CIA-1 hugs jbot **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 18 23:59:57 2005