**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 26 23:59:57 2005 Feb 27 00:19:17 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libgd.mk: initial checkin: libgd Feb 27 00:25:27 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote xpm, xaw, hdparm, libgd Feb 27 00:33:19 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/emacs.mk sources/emacs/control): emacs X11 preliminary work Feb 27 00:35:30 jp30 on a roll! Feb 27 00:35:56 kergoth: what is the irc bouncer/proxy that you swear by? Feb 27 00:42:44 on a roll but my slug is not: armv5b-softfloat-linux-gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program as) Feb 27 00:43:41 ... I think that sometimes long compiles are causing thermal problems. rwhitby-away, did you ever have this sort of trouble with the official build slug? Feb 27 00:43:57 nope Feb 27 00:44:07 maybe mine is just flakey Feb 27 00:44:52 i have the official build slug to do the same compile mine just died during, so I will see in the morning how it fared Feb 27 00:46:43 ctrlproxy - that was it Feb 27 00:48:46 Go Gastro! Feb 27 00:48:58 (and back to sleep) Feb 27 01:13:40 hurrah! i'm connecting with xchat running on a slug Feb 27 01:14:23 Cool. I'm trying to build ctrlproxy for openslug ... Feb 27 01:17:10 that's much more practical than treating a slug as "irc to X11" gateway Feb 27 01:17:33 xchat is a nice of a gtk+ program though Feb 27 01:17:43 ...argh missing words.... Feb 27 01:17:49 nice test of a Feb 27 01:17:51 test of .. Feb 27 01:17:55 yeah Feb 27 01:18:13 it's very late here, i should be going to sleep Feb 27 01:18:37 ...instead of midnight hacking session. Feb 27 01:19:03 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/xchat.mk sources/xchat/inline_pngs.h): initial checkin: xchat Feb 27 01:19:24 there we go... Feb 27 01:19:54 OK i'm calling it a night... see you later! Feb 27 01:40:37 Switchbox problems found: for nfsroot attempts to ifconfig ipx0 instead of eth0. Portmap is not needed. Feb 27 01:41:15 Aha, I was wondering when you or someone would notice that. Feb 27 01:41:28 well, I can't get glib-2.0 to build under openembedded - not using symlinks, and "bitbake glib-2.0" says "ERROR: Nothing provides glib-2.0" Feb 27 01:42:00 dyoung: I try to wring it out. Feb 27 01:42:21 rwhitby-away, dont you need to be more specific? Feb 27 01:42:51 or is it supposed to figure it out on its own? Feb 27 01:42:59 dunno Feb 27 01:44:16 and that's a dependency for ctrlproxy ... Feb 27 01:44:36 maybe I'll just start with miau instead of getting adventurous .. Feb 27 01:45:41 unless anyone else is able to get it to build ... Feb 27 01:46:23 ERROR: Nothing provides glib-2.0_2.6.2 Feb 27 01:46:25 I give up Feb 27 01:50:27 glc, i figure a set of if-then of .unslung and .openslug might do the trick... Feb 27 02:03:11 Me too. Feb 27 02:03:33 I tried a few permuations of glib-foo and nothing provides it. Feb 27 02:03:51 hmmm Feb 27 02:04:05 wonder what we're not licking right Feb 27 02:04:22 I dunno, lemme try a few things before totally throwing in the towel. Feb 27 02:05:35 other packages just depend on glib-2.0 ... Feb 27 02:06:20 ctrlproxy has backlog support, so you can ask for the last bit of the log from the client ... Feb 27 02:07:25 doesnt miau do that too? Feb 27 02:07:47 "quick log" or something. Feb 27 02:08:28 yeah, but you can't ask for how much Feb 27 02:09:08 you can set it to an amount on the server, but the client doesn't get to choose Feb 27 02:10:42 I can live with miau but would like to have ctrlproxy Feb 27 02:24:28 curiosity is getting the better of me. Feb 27 02:24:40 I want to know how/why we're not licking in right. Feb 27 02:46:45 dyoung: I have been sticking stuff in .nfsroot to test what more is needed, and I now have openslug running with nfsroot. Feb 27 02:47:39 3 more modules need to be loaded. sunrpc, lockd, and nfs. Feb 27 02:49:19 I had rwhitby stuff those into the openslug image for the purpose of nfsroot booting, but I never got around to testing it. Thanks for working that out! I'm a bit suprised about lockd, since we're telling it to do it nolock... Feb 27 02:50:49 Well, I figured that it wouldn't hurt. You might want to nfs mount some other directories, and they might be needed then. Feb 27 02:51:33 Let me comment out the lockd. Feb 27 02:56:18 Seems to need lockd. Feb 27 02:56:55 Portmap is definitely not needed. Feb 27 02:57:09 Hmm Feb 27 02:57:29 Okay. I'll yank it next time I fiddle switchbox. Feb 27 02:58:14 nfs is a consumer not a server, so portmap isn't needed. Feb 27 02:58:53 in through miau on openslug ... Feb 27 03:00:07 only puppy to go, and prodslug get's converted ... Feb 27 03:01:07 Good Night. Feb 27 03:03:15 thanks glc, goodnight! Feb 27 03:04:25 night glc Feb 27 03:05:06 hmm - guess I need a startup script for miau ... Feb 27 03:05:46 yeah, when you work that out lemme know, I need to make one up for mt-daapd too. Feb 27 03:06:29 Been looking at how other packages handle it, but been putting it off... Feb 27 03:08:25 good example package? Feb 27 03:10:54 dunno. Feb 27 03:11:08 for you, you could probably do somehting like lirc Feb 27 03:11:30 I'm still working on how to make it start on install. Feb 27 03:11:33 and miau usually looks for it's conf file in ~/.miau/... - in unslung we moved it, but I guess in openslug we should leave it there Feb 27 03:19:04 sussed it out for miau - will push it soon Feb 27 03:21:06 Hmm, guess I'll need to do a nail bb... Feb 27 03:55:11 now to work out how to get the logs to be 644 instead of 600 Feb 27 03:58:29 are you using a script to cycle the logs daily? Feb 27 03:58:38 not yet, but will be Feb 27 03:58:41 set the umask to 22 in that script. Feb 27 03:58:49 rwhitby-away: How many days do you estimate until openslug beta? Feb 27 03:59:17 peteru-home: it fully depends on number of alpha testers. we release on 20. Feb 27 03:59:43 I know the policy, and historically it's been about 17 :-) Feb 27 03:59:49 heh Feb 27 04:00:03 as soon as I add a tftp server and puppy to OE, I'm moving prodslug over Feb 27 04:00:22 when dyoung and I move our prodslugs over, that's usually the trigger for a beta ... Feb 27 04:00:48 you can assist by adding puppy to OE .... Feb 27 04:00:56 as soon as rwhitby pushes miau and I get to nail_foo.bb I'm switching prodslug over. Feb 27 04:01:15 I'm just trying to figure out wheteher it's worth the effort of spending tomorrow evening attempting to get it built, or if I should wait for a binary on a couple of days. Feb 27 04:01:39 s/on/in Feb 27 04:01:40 peteru-home, I think you want to build it. You'll make the 20 then. ;-) Feb 27 04:02:06 * peteru-home is as lazy as circumstances will aloow :-) Feb 27 04:02:15 * dyoung-zzzz too Feb 27 04:02:48 peteru-home: think of how much you'll learn by building instead of taking a binary .... Feb 27 04:03:24 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2899 10openembedded/packages/miau/ (miau_0.5.3.bb files/paths.patch files/miau.init): MIAU - IRC Bouncer Feb 27 04:03:34 I'll see what happens tomorrow - it's my last day in current job. Feb 27 04:04:19 Oh? on to greener pastures? Feb 27 04:04:27 However, the next job may involve building a product that uses a slug as the delivery platform - fingers crossed :) Feb 27 04:04:27 dyoung-zzzz: should be able to copy old miau.conf to /etc/miau.conf and /etc/init.d/miau restart Feb 27 04:04:50 you working for PV ? Feb 27 04:05:50 now, does OE already have a tftp server ... Feb 27 04:06:10 current job is great, but company has "cash flow issues". I am going to take a few contract jobs for a while, then off to South America for a month or so. Feb 27 04:07:00 netkit-tftp ? Feb 27 04:07:01 Talked to PV and Co. on Friday. I'll find out if they are interested in the next few days. Feb 27 04:07:34 cool - so my EPG will be secured for life then ? :-) Feb 27 04:08:33 hmm - I guess I just bitbake inetutils ... Feb 27 04:09:41 is there a howto/setupanduseexternaldiskrootfswithopenslug yet? Feb 27 04:10:12 OpenSlug/TurnUp or something? Feb 27 04:10:19 rwhitby-away: I can't make give you a promise, but if I am on board I'll make sure they know who you are :) Feb 27 04:10:42 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/OpenSlugTurnUp Feb 27 04:10:44 Turninp? Feb 27 04:10:51 oh. okay. ;-) Feb 27 04:10:52 peteru-home: that's all one can ask for :-) Feb 27 04:11:13 don't ask me why it's named after a vegetable .... Feb 27 04:13:41 dyoung-zzzz: time to start building on nudi, and uploading from the tmp/deploy/ipk directory ... Feb 27 04:13:43 Did you know that PV is one of the two guys that invented the digital synthesiser / sampler? The Fairlight CMI was one of his inventions. Quite a nice bloke. Feb 27 04:14:00 didn't know that Feb 27 04:14:32 He didn't mention it, but one of my workmates knew it. Feb 27 04:14:53 Googled for it, and sure enough... Feb 27 04:15:09 peteru-home: what version is puppy up to - I'm making a .bb Feb 27 04:15:26 1.6? Feb 27 04:15:53 rwhitby, do we have a feed setup yet? Feb 27 04:16:13 we have a directory, we just need to upload stuff to it Feb 27 04:16:22 I verified nudi can build openslug-image and other stuff earlier tpday Feb 27 04:16:50 so we just do a make world? Feb 27 04:16:54 ow. Feb 27 04:17:00 I wonder how long that'll take Feb 27 04:17:19 like a day? Feb 27 04:17:25 1,6 is latest package. There's a 1.7 tag that is not going to see a release. Feb 27 04:18:23 next release will be 1.8 with some fixes for mutual exclusion of multiple processes trying to access the toppy, but I need to test before a release. Feb 27 04:18:31 do we need to make a symlink set? openslung-packages-of-interest or something? Feb 27 04:18:33 so, the short answer is: go with 1.6 Feb 27 04:19:08 dyoung-zzzz: dunno - is nudi fast enough that we don't bother with the symlinks? Feb 27 04:19:44 we also probably want to be a little more selective than uploading the whole deploy/ipk directory... lotta extra stuff in there that the enduser wouldnt be interested in because its for the image. Feb 27 04:20:00 can I use the same /home/slug/build directory for unslung and openslug or is that a stupid idea? Feb 27 04:20:25 I dunno, I've been building openslug with no symlinks.. its not that offensive on this machine, and I think nudi is faster. Feb 27 04:20:27 bad idea Feb 27 04:20:50 dyoung-zzzz: but that image stuff is how you upgrade your base firmware ... Feb 27 04:20:57 I meant for the symlink package to limit the number of packages made. Feb 27 04:21:14 make 'em all - caveat emptor :-) Feb 27 04:21:23 so if we do a build world, it'll just build stuff thats appropriate. Feb 27 04:21:34 if they build, they'll probably run Feb 27 04:22:11 thats true, i guess most hardware dependant packages have hooks to bail out if its not appropriate for the taget. Feb 27 04:22:13 kergoth got us to put all the nslu2-only flags in our stuff, so one would hope that others have too, and we don't get all the qpe stuff Feb 27 04:22:23 nod Feb 27 04:22:35 and if not, then we demand it :-) Feb 27 04:22:49 hmm - I just filled my openslug flash ... Feb 27 04:23:14 does it die an ugly death? Feb 27 04:23:21 guess I should think about pivoting to the hard disk instead of just using it for ipk storage :-) Feb 27 04:23:51 I have a shiny new 512 USB key for my prodslug rootfs and /home. Feb 27 04:23:53 no death, ipkg complains and leaves 128K free Feb 27 04:24:24 Devslug will have the cornice drive, and yeah, prodslug has a 256MB key Feb 27 04:24:43 oh - I forgot that prodslug has a 20GB disk on it :-) Feb 27 04:25:33 ok, time to reflash devslug and go to external disk Feb 27 04:25:35 I'm aiming for a diskless / flashkeyless openslug. Just builtin flash and minimal distro. Feb 27 04:26:04 that's fine if all you want to run is puppy Feb 27 04:26:10 it should fit Feb 27 04:26:16 it's amazing how many toppy owners want that. Feb 27 04:26:39 you could probably sell it as a "upgrade kit". Feb 27 04:27:24 All I need are some stickers to put over the Cisco logo :) Feb 27 04:27:58 "modified by peteru.com" Feb 27 04:28:10 I guess that was rwhitby flashing. Feb 27 04:28:13 Kind of like "sticker tuning" for these racer boys. Feb 27 04:28:28 every sticker you put on makes the car have 5hp more. Feb 27 04:28:28 ricing up your slug :) Feb 27 04:28:30 ;-) Feb 27 04:29:29 that was me going back to prodslug while I flash devslug Feb 27 04:29:37 http://www.riceboypage.com/ Feb 27 04:29:58 or make a custom plastic molding to hold the nslu2 board. then you can screen on the case "Powered By Slug" Feb 27 04:30:58 oh yeah I forgot about that part. Feb 27 04:31:22 every inch of exhaust pipe diameter gives you extra 10hp. Feb 27 04:34:22 "Slug inside" ? Feb 27 04:35:00 Actually, I was thinking of ricing up my slug with a 802.11g USB dongle. Feb 27 04:35:08 this site is too funny. Feb 27 04:36:05 for autocross, we run a crappy azz full of rust holes corolla fx-16. And it still beats everything except the volvo's in class. Feb 27 04:37:21 What's the fastest 802.11g dongle that's know to work in the slug? Are there 108 Mbit dongles that are reported to work? Feb 27 04:38:50 I plugged my WGT101 in... it didnt do the Right Thing. Feb 27 04:39:08 :( Feb 27 04:40:06 did belkin products have a resonably good track record? Feb 27 04:40:12 I think someoe has made the older linksys b version work. I'm sort of wondering if my g dongle just wasnt supportedin 2.6.7. Feb 27 04:40:48 at least interms of generic linux use Feb 27 04:41:00 I'll try plug it into the 2.6.9 slug tommrow. Feb 27 04:41:02 hmm... Feb 27 04:41:31 wel;l, my belkin BT dongle never worked right... but I dunno if I should blame the dongle or linux. Feb 27 04:42:01 I had some belkin pcmcia cards that worked great though. Feb 27 04:42:11 so I guess the short answer is I dunno. Feb 27 04:44:02 I only used 802.11b about 4 years ago for a few months with a Cisco PCMCIA card and didn't like it very much. Haven't touched anything wireless since. Now that the speed is getting OK, I am interested... Feb 27 04:44:58 mind you, my experiences may have been skewed by the fact that windows was falling over any time there were wireless issues Feb 27 04:45:12 I guess I'll need to do some homework here... Feb 27 04:47:38 well, i'll report back with my WGT tommrow... Feb 27 04:48:00 excellent - look forward to finding out the result. Feb 27 04:48:35 thanks for that ricer link, it was really entertaining. Feb 27 04:51:18 bloody busybox Feb 27 04:51:27 root@devslug:/home/feed# ipkg install inetutils_1.4.2-r0_armeb.ipk Feb 27 04:51:28 Installing inetutils (1.4.2-r0) to root... Feb 27 04:51:28 Package inetutils wants to install file /usr/bin/telnet Feb 27 04:51:28 But that file is already provided by package busybox Feb 27 04:51:28 Package inetutils wants to install file /usr/bin/tftp Feb 27 04:51:29 But that file is already provided by package busybox Feb 27 04:51:30 Package inetutils wants to install file /usr/bin/logger Feb 27 04:51:32 But that file is already provided by package busybox Feb 27 04:51:34 An error ocurred, return value: 3. Feb 27 04:51:59 oop its a WG111. summary googling tells me it should work... but lots of german, so i'm not sure if it needs the NDIS wrapper. Feb 27 04:53:56 lets see if devslug's miau makes it here .... Feb 27 04:55:19 hmm - guess I need xinetd too now ... Feb 27 04:55:49 no xinetd in OE Feb 27 04:56:08 NDIS wrapper is no use on a non x86 machine :( Feb 27 04:56:35 right. Feb 27 04:57:06 well I explore later. I'm really sleepy now. Feb 27 04:57:07 night! Feb 27 04:57:12 night Feb 27 04:57:20 * peteru-home just started bitbake openslug-image - I guess we'll get to 20 this week :) Feb 27 04:57:25 night Feb 27 04:57:57 ~cheer Feb 27 04:58:01 I'm off to bed too - no point in waiting for openslug to build. Feb 27 04:58:07 shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. Feb 27 04:58:20 and it's midnight here Feb 27 04:58:25 ~sleep Feb 27 04:58:26 sleep is, like, overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine Feb 27 04:59:04 ~monday Feb 27 04:59:05 somebody said monday was when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix Feb 27 05:04:05 peteru-home: puppy Makefile doesn't have an install target ... Feb 27 05:14:20 rwhitby: Yes, that's semi-intentional. I don't use configure and since the result is a single binary, the user is free to install it wherever. Feb 27 05:15:33 I guess I could provide an install target, but then I have to make a call as to where puppy should be installed, or provide a method for letting the user choose the location via something like a configure step. Feb 27 05:15:53 prefix=/usr Feb 27 05:16:00 ${prefix}/bin Feb 27 05:16:25 never mind, I've added it to the bb instead Feb 27 05:16:26 yeah, I suppose. Feb 27 05:16:56 although auto tools default to /usr/local Feb 27 05:17:02 gentoo default to /usr Feb 27 05:17:07 unslung to /opt Feb 27 05:17:21 oe to /usr Feb 27 05:18:00 yeah, maybe leave it out :-) Feb 27 05:18:53 after all, it's about the same effort to edit the prefix in the makefile or to do a cp puppy /prefix/bin Feb 27 05:22:25 yep Feb 27 05:22:51 right, I'm really off to bed now. Feb 27 05:22:53 night. Feb 27 05:23:14 night Feb 27 05:27:13 ok, that's atftp and puppy done. Feb 27 05:27:23 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2901 10openembedded/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added puppy and atftpd, and fixed miau spool path on init Feb 27 05:32:23 hey [g2] Feb 27 05:32:35 <[g2]> Morning! Feb 27 05:32:51 <[g2]> I'm reading the logs I see you've got miau running :) Feb 27 05:32:53 I didn't get to the sysconfsetup fix :-( too busy adding miau, puppy and atftp to OE ... Feb 27 05:33:14 <[g2]> I added a note to the TurnUp procedure Feb 27 05:33:32 those were the three apps I needed to convert prodslug from unslung to openslug Feb 27 05:33:34 <[g2]> most ppl are probably going to have a gateway Feb 27 05:33:58 <[g2]> and the ones that aren't can just add some default in there Feb 27 05:34:01 where does the term "TurnUp" come from? Feb 27 05:34:18 (apart from the vegetable ...) Feb 27 05:34:35 <[g2]> like in Telco installations Feb 27 05:34:50 <[g2]> Procedure to Turn Up the circuit Feb 27 05:35:19 <[g2]> We could call it Turn On :) Feb 27 05:36:01 * rwhitby is ambivalent today Feb 27 05:36:22 <[g2]> About moving to prodslug to OpenSlug ? Feb 27 05:36:38 about what to call the TurnUp page Feb 27 05:37:27 <[g2]> Well I'm gonna worry more about snapshoting the release for Beta Feb 27 05:38:04 <[g2]> You'd probably be happier with StartUp Feb 27 05:49:26 cool, miau restarts on openslug reboot properly now Feb 27 05:50:59 so, any more changes going in before the binary build? Feb 27 05:51:00 * [g2] would like to try that on slug 3 Feb 27 05:51:40 are we going with 1.5-beta? Feb 27 05:51:58 <[g2]> I don't think we need to freeze stuff Feb 27 05:52:09 <[g2]> but I'm not looking to make major changes Feb 27 06:01:43 well, my work here is done Feb 27 06:01:57 <[g2]> nite Feb 27 06:25:31 <[g2]> billwernet2, ping Feb 27 06:26:54 Life's and adventure :-( I'm trying to get the auto-power-on wiki article updated (at last); new challenge. As uploaded (Thanks Rod!), the filenames have spaces in them. [[$Attachlist]] shows the files there, but Attach: stops at the space. Sigh. Is there a markup syntax that can deal with the files as-is, or can someone compress the spaces out of the filenames? Thanks! Feb 27 06:36:18 can you escape the spaces using '\ ' ? Feb 27 06:36:41 I tried that; no joy. Feb 27 06:37:30 in that case, back to sleep for me... Feb 27 06:37:41 <[g2]> peteru-home, gl with OpenSlug :) Feb 27 06:39:23 thanks. looks like the build died at some stage. I was just walking past the computer, getting a glass of water (I woke up thirsty) and noticed the build failure :( Feb 27 06:39:46 job for another day... Feb 27 06:39:49 night all. Feb 27 06:40:15 <[g2]> nite Feb 27 06:52:25 any easy way to un-unsling? Feb 27 06:55:55 <[g2]> giel, I'm not sure what your want to do Feb 27 06:56:42 <[g2]> go back to the linksys firmware ? Or get your sdx2 back to the way linksys has it setup ? Feb 27 06:56:53 <[g2]> or just go back to some other firmware Feb 27 06:59:40 Ah!, if I use a URL & %-hex quote the spaces, I can get there. Ugly, but works. Onward... Feb 27 07:05:50 get my rootfs the way before i typed unsling Feb 27 07:06:03 but rm opt mv opt.old opt seems to do enough Feb 27 07:32:53 <[cc]smart> ls Feb 27 08:09:33 rwhitby-asleep: there's nothing about qpe that makes it only useful for certain devices. you could run it inside of qvfb in an Xvnc if you wanted. of course itd be built by 'world'. Feb 27 08:09:59 <[g2]> morning kergoth Feb 27 08:10:27 <[g2]> kergoth, you are correct, but the likely hood of that happening for a normal user is remote Feb 27 08:11:08 [g2]: then dont use world. Feb 27 08:11:24 <[g2]> right Feb 27 08:11:36 world exists to build everything, regardless of the likelihood of its usefulness Feb 27 08:11:52 the nslu2 stuff is nslu2 specific because it actually is. binary only root filesystems, etc Feb 27 08:22:04 * kergoth wanders off to find something caffinated Feb 27 08:36:13 * Byront-zzZZZzz is back -( zzzZZZzzz )- gone 9 hr 25 min 12 s Feb 27 08:47:19 hmm... default miau config is to connect to nslu2-linux, should that be changed? Feb 27 09:19:27 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/freetype.mk: -rpath-link for freetype to fix up native build Feb 27 09:33:23 Are there documented roadmaps somewhere for nslu2 project? i.e what the projects attempting to accomplish at each stage and where the particular milestones are? Feb 27 10:07:55 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/emacs.mk: use -rpath-link with emacs Feb 27 10:11:03 <[cc]smart> BTW, is there a separate openslug channel ? Feb 27 10:11:09 <[cc]smart> or is this one used Feb 27 10:12:17 there was some discussion yesterday of whether it should be called #openslug or #nslu2-linux-openslug. don't know if anything got done though Feb 27 10:12:59 <[cc]smart> the channel or the software ? Feb 27 10:13:29 in my opinion, #oe should be used as the channel for discussions of openslug development. if there's a #openslug, it should be for end user support (same way familiar and openzaurus are handled) Feb 27 10:17:47 <[cc]smart> i get the end-user reasoning... but while not really knowledgeable about it, would feel that an OE channel could get overcrowded with the different distro geeks mixing all topics Feb 27 10:18:01 90% of the package metadata is shared between all the oe distros. Feb 27 10:18:16 if you start discussing that elsewhere, other distros wont hear about it. Feb 27 10:18:18 or be able to comment on it Feb 27 10:18:51 <[cc]smart> sounds sensible Feb 27 10:20:11 <[cc]smart> that automagically includes moving the occupants of this channel to oe Feb 27 10:20:49 right, so openslug building questions can be fielded by the oe experts, etc Feb 27 10:21:08 or adding new packages, we can help with crosscompilation issues Feb 27 10:21:13 <[cc]smart> yes... coming back to my intention though... :) Feb 27 10:21:28 heh :) Feb 27 10:21:54 <[cc]smart> just tried the latest openslug i could get and found a responsibility merry go round for loading ethernet driver module :) Feb 27 10:22:05 an openslug channel for distro support would probably be a Good Thing(tm) Feb 27 10:22:05 <[cc]smart> from modules.conf Feb 27 10:22:12 <[cc]smart> to modutils.conf Feb 27 10:22:15 <[cc]smart> to sysconfig Feb 27 10:22:21 <[cc]smart> to nirvana Feb 27 10:23:57 <[cc]smart> ah, and before i forget, on the sidewalk, some modprobe.conf was driven over Feb 27 10:24:40 <[cc]smart> so it's mentionned everywhere and gets no home :) Feb 27 10:25:22 modutils.conf is 2.4, modprobe.conf is 2.6 Feb 27 10:30:50 <[cc]smart> is this general baseline ? or oe one ? Feb 27 10:31:35 <[cc]smart> seems general Feb 27 10:31:39 <[cc]smart> i'm off feet Feb 27 10:31:41 general. the module-init-tools tools dont obey modutils.conf Feb 27 10:31:59 <[cc]smart> using 2.6 for as long as it's there and always sticked to modules.conf Feb 27 10:32:28 <[cc]smart> shocking this Feb 27 10:33:11 So where can I get Feb 27 10:33:11 libXext.so.6 Feb 27 10:33:58 to run the gtk-demo? Feb 27 10:34:31 foofoodog, it is part of xext; that should have been installed when you installed gtk though Feb 27 10:35:27 I can't find it. It appears to not have come down. Feb 27 10:36:38 try ipkg install xext Feb 27 10:36:54 Package xext (6.4.3+cvs20050130-1) installed in root is up to date. Feb 27 10:37:15 Configuring gtk Feb 27 10:37:15 so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Feb 27 10:37:15 postinst script returned status 127 Feb 27 10:37:15 ERROR: gtk.postinst returned 127 Feb 27 10:37:15 Nothing to be done Feb 27 10:38:57 does /opt/lib/libXext.so.6 exist? Feb 27 10:39:45 Nope, I couldn't FIND it Feb 27 10:40:10 then something went wrong with your installation of xext. try reinstalling it Feb 27 10:40:24 ok, thank you Feb 27 10:46:16 <[cc]smart> hmmm.... then i don't see why eth0 doesn't come up after boot Feb 27 10:47:27 <[cc]smart> ah, now i do Feb 27 10:48:17 <[cc]smart> the empty "gateway" line in /etc/network/interfaces must get removed Feb 27 10:48:32 <[cc]smart> user cann fill it later if he wants Feb 27 10:48:37 <[cc]smart> so maybe comment out instead Feb 27 10:48:58 <[cc]smart> but an empty gateway as default stops eth0 coming up, which normal user will hate :) Feb 27 11:18:30 time to get some work done today.. I'll be around, if someone needs to get my attention, PM me, please Feb 27 11:43:54 <[cc]smart> shouldn't slugbug get an option for openslug too ? Feb 27 11:44:31 OE has a bug tracking system Feb 27 11:44:36 with a queue for oe built distros Feb 27 11:44:50 i'd recommend that for the same reasons i listed for using #oe for openslug development Feb 27 11:46:21 <[cc]smart> hm... is that used by openslug developers already ? Feb 27 12:44:06 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (emacs.mk fontconfig.mk): emacs: specify -rpath-link once more with feeling; fontconfig: avoid getting confused by libiconv Feb 27 13:17:55 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/gtk.mk sources/gtk/postinst): gtk: fix problem with missing /opt/etc/gtk-2.0, bump ipk version Feb 27 13:47:34 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote xchat Feb 27 13:54:58 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/libxslt.mk sources/libxslt/control): initial checkin: libxslt Feb 27 14:00:42 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote libxslt Feb 27 14:08:00 [g2]: I want to add DISTRO_NAME and DISTRO_VERSION to openslug.conf (which will get that put into /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net) and remove the /.openslug file. Comments? Feb 27 14:09:24 I knew there was a reason I didnt sense for /.openslug in switchbox just yet. ;-) Feb 27 14:09:45 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/cvs.mk: remove typo in cvs.mk - now it should not be unnecessarily rebuilt Feb 27 14:10:44 Nice! thanks GLC! Feb 27 14:11:04 glc added additional information to the Turnip page for NFS Roots. Feb 27 14:11:23 np. Feb 27 14:12:51 how did we go from slugs to vegetables? Feb 27 14:15:20 he he Feb 27 14:26:36 slug eat vegies - yum! Feb 27 14:27:03 there ya go...that is the connection. Feb 27 14:33:27 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/emacs.mk: emacs: more fixage for x11 Feb 27 14:44:05 i just remembered the old joke about gnu emacs: it's a great operating system, but it just doesn't have a decent editor Feb 27 14:50:27 lol Feb 27 15:06:32 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2902 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): OpenSlug 1.5-beta release candidate - version is now in /etc/issue Feb 27 15:09:39 you'll need to clean base-files for the DISTRO_NAME and DISTRO_VERSION to make it into /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net Feb 27 16:41:26 we need a glossary. Feb 27 16:42:52 I thought there was a definition page already Feb 27 16:43:07 well apparently its not obvious enough. Feb 27 16:43:25 it is hard to just get to Feb 27 16:43:33 maybe a left side link? Feb 27 16:43:44 "The wiki is confusing, there are too many terms, unslung, openslug, openembeeded, bitbake, etc, etc" Feb 27 16:44:19 I was thinking of the potential problems with the OpenSlug binary release Feb 27 16:46:45 maybe a new home page that offers the alternatives and then separates into the respective wiki/doco Feb 27 16:46:48 okay I'll fix the bar and add the definitions to the front page. Feb 27 16:47:08 bryont: we need to go thru the wiki and clean up wikiwords that are not defined. Feb 27 16:47:31 I've already gone thru the info pages and faq/wishlist Feb 27 16:47:44 when you get time could you go thru the howto pages? Feb 27 16:48:17 no problem... but for now, being called to supper with wife and son... bbl Feb 27 16:48:23 k Feb 27 16:48:35 dyoung-zzzz, jackhammers? Feb 27 16:51:46 okay glossary is added to sidebar Feb 27 17:04:30 does anyone know why a conf partition wouldn't be mounted on a 250GB drive after using custom partitioning Feb 27 17:05:40 what does you partition table look like? Feb 27 17:07:02 sda1 = ~230GB ext3, sda2 = ~10GB ext3, sda3 = 700MB swap Feb 27 17:07:36 i've even tried mimiking the exart partition setup that linksys does (which does work) and that didn't work either Feb 27 17:08:23 and you have used the linksys partitioning program (via the web) to format it? Feb 27 17:10:05 you're missing some files probably Feb 27 17:10:12 .dongle, etc Feb 27 17:10:21 at first I formatted it with a different linux box which has worked in the past for usb flash drives, but with the big drive it didn't work. When I format it with the web utility it does work. But I want my conf partitition to be larger than 100MB. Feb 27 17:11:09 I've been following the howto on custom partitions Feb 27 17:11:40 what is .dongle and what can I check to see if it's the problem Feb 27 17:12:21 its one of the ways linksys detects if a drive is formatted or not. Feb 27 17:12:22 i just did a find and it failed for .dongle Feb 27 17:12:35 touch /share/hdd/conf/.dongle Feb 27 17:12:44 one sec Feb 27 17:13:22 the other way you could do it is format it on linksys, take it to another machine, cpio or tar the original, re parttitio, put back files. Feb 27 17:13:56 the howto claims that didn't work Feb 27 17:14:35 were the dot files saved? Feb 27 17:14:53 i don't know Feb 27 17:15:37 well good luck. Feb 27 17:17:20 thanks Feb 27 17:18:11 are there any known issues with larger drives and unslung or linux in general? Feb 27 17:18:45 reports of 1TB disks being used in the mailing list... Feb 27 17:33:19 I am trying to compile esp ghostscript with cups. The problem I am running into is it can't find the libraries in /opt/lib unless I set them in LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Feb 27 17:34:13 It has -Wl,-rpath,/opt/lib and -L/opt/lib on gcc command line so I would have expected that to work but it doesn't. Any ideas? Feb 27 17:36:01 what are the offending libraries? are they part of espgs, or some other package? Feb 27 17:49:51 they are part of other packages... Feb 27 17:50:23 i.e cups libtiff libpng etc... Feb 27 17:50:40 and this problem is happenning runtime, not linktime right? Feb 27 17:50:46 runtime... Feb 27 17:51:35 with the gs binary? Feb 27 17:51:51 yes. Feb 27 17:53:58 Do you have a suggestion? Feb 27 17:54:09 ...thinking... Feb 27 17:55:02 have you tracked down the command that actually builds the gs binary? perhaps your the -rpath param is getting lost en-route Feb 27 17:55:54 Yes I have: ./obj/echogs -w ./obj/ldt.tr -n - /home/slug/unslung/toolchain/armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5/bin/armv5b-softfloat-linux-gcc -L../../staging/opt/lib -Wl,-rpath,/opt/lib -L/opt/lib -o ./bin/gs Feb 27 17:56:03 I think that's it. Feb 27 17:56:45 what does echogs do? Feb 27 17:58:01 It's a binary that's built natively in the build process. Feb 27 17:58:40 i figured that; i thought you might know why the build process is doing things this way. i have the sources here and am looking through them too Feb 27 17:59:24 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, the /etc/issue stuff makes sense. We can flush the .openslug file Feb 27 17:59:35 I don't know what it's purpose is... Feb 27 18:00:16 ok, i'm looking at the source... Feb 27 18:00:39 Just one thing however... I might be wrong but I think I only started having this problem when I included cups support Feb 27 18:02:30 [g2]: done, pushed, and updated version to 1.5-beta (as a release candidate, unless you disagree) Feb 27 18:03:29 garpinc, can you commit your current version of espgs into cvs if it's not there already? i'd like to try building it myself Feb 27 18:03:35 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, fine by me. There are minor issues or some rough edges but I'm very happy with things Feb 27 18:03:39 <_chris_> sad to report a disk today failed in one of my slugs Feb 27 18:04:31 [g2]: I'm building 1.5-beta on nudi now, and will flash that to prodslug tonight. Feb 27 18:04:43 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, cool. Feb 27 18:05:13 garpinc: also, the echogs line does just what it says - it "echos" a lot of stuff into that file obj/ldt.tr; the actually linking is done later. Feb 27 18:06:35 I am looking in ldt.tr Feb 27 18:07:15 final linking is /home/slug/unslung/toolchain/armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5/bin/ar Feb 27 18:07:15 mv5b-softfloat-linux-gcc -L../../staging/opt/lib -Wl,-rpath,/opt/lib -L/opt/lib Feb 27 18:07:15 -o ./bin/gs Feb 27 18:07:27 and the libs Feb 27 18:07:46 -rdynamic -L../../staging/opt/lib -Wl,-rpath,/opt/lib -L/opt/lib -ldl -lcupsima Feb 27 18:07:46 ge -ltiff -ljpeg -lpng -lm -lz -lcups -lssl -lcrypto -lnsl -lm Feb 27 18:08:02 I see rpath... Feb 27 18:08:26 maybe a binary for me to set OpenSlug upgrade instructions? Feb 27 18:10:08 maybe there are funny paths built into some of the libraries you are using? Feb 27 18:10:40 how can I tell? Feb 27 18:11:12 try running the broken gs binary on a slug with LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 Feb 27 18:12:59 you should see a list of items of the form "libname => path". if ever has a path with it something is wrong Feb 27 18:13:44 ... sorry that wasn't very clear: if you something like "/usr/lib/libblah.so => not found" there's trouble Feb 27 18:14:56 lets go private... Feb 27 18:41:17 03garpinc * 10unslung/sources/espgs/patch: added cups support Feb 27 18:43:10 03garpinc * 10unslung/make/espgs.mk: added cups support Feb 27 18:48:22 03garpinc * 10unslung/make/espgs.mk: added other staging stuff Feb 27 18:50:52