**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 23:59:56 2005 Mar 04 00:15:20 morning Mar 04 00:24:32 any exciting news, the last 8 hours? Mar 04 00:26:07 the world has spun around on its axis another 1/3 of the way...and openslug developement continues. Mar 04 00:26:23 ;) Mar 04 00:34:25 morning! Mar 04 00:34:30 morning Mar 04 00:34:33 morning, sunshine! Mar 04 00:35:27 my first boot of 2.6.11 on the slug is just minutes away... can you feel the tension? ;) Mar 04 00:35:40 yep... Mar 04 00:36:06 hopefully you won't see the "don't care int 26 stuff" Mar 04 00:36:16 [g2] still got those. Mar 04 00:54:09 okay... if I don't come back, I didn't succeed! ;) Mar 04 00:56:43 ~seen dyoung Mar 04 00:56:45 dyoung is currently on #openjtag (1d 10h 20m 31s) #nslu2-linux (1d 10h 20m 31s) #oe (1d 10h 20m 31s). Has said a total of 113 messages. Is idling for 9h 17m 58s Mar 04 00:56:56 ~seen dyoung-web Mar 04 00:56:57 dyoung-web was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 4h 12m 35s ago, saying: 'BitKeeper/triggers'. Mar 04 00:58:35 around Mar 04 00:58:55 "you've got mail!" Mar 04 00:59:06 did you eat yet? Mar 04 01:00:00 hi Mar 04 01:00:12 hi jacques Mar 04 01:13:59 hi siddy Mar 04 01:14:01 yiehaa! Mar 04 01:14:13 flawless! Mar 04 01:14:20 ~praise dyoung and [g2] Mar 04 01:14:22 All hail dyoung and [g2]! Mar 04 01:15:05 Flawless? Mar 04 01:15:11 * perlguru-work pondering if the problem VoodooZ_log and /me got, is binutils related Mar 04 01:15:27 2.6.11 booted without problems. Mar 04 01:15:32 Cool. Mar 04 01:16:10 I should have the clock fixed in the next hour or 2. Mar 04 01:16:37 the clock? the 1-month-off-problem? Mar 04 01:17:17 yeah that. Mar 04 01:22:05 hm... are you sure the ehci-problem is still there? I was not able to reproduce it up to now. Mar 04 01:23:00 ah, there it is. :( Mar 04 01:23:48 we have an idea of where to start looking. Mar 04 01:23:53 to solve that... Mar 04 01:24:05 really? where? Mar 04 01:24:43 in the irq handler. Mar 04 01:26:23 hm, sounds reasonable. ;) Well, I'll at first see if 2.6.11 can resist my torrent-stability-tests. *hoping* Mar 04 01:32:02 03dyoung 07 * r1.2958 10openembedded/packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.9/defconfig: Added MD support as modules Mar 04 02:00:26 03dyoung 07 * r1.2960 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed the month being off by one month Mar 04 02:02:35 at least I hope that fixes it. Mar 04 02:03:17 It tells me its march now (instead of april) so assuming its repaired. Dunno what happens in January or December though. Mar 04 02:08:02 dyoung, set the date back 2 months ;) Mar 04 02:08:06 or 3 Mar 04 03:06:11 Theres more to the RTC Clock story. Mar 04 03:06:44 not thinking clearly enough to address it right now. Mar 04 03:07:46 [g2], please have a look. Read the x1205 ds too; it claims it returns 1-12 for the month; and in fact the debug information reflects that. Mar 04 03:07:51 (with dmesg) Mar 04 03:08:27 if you notice why there is a discrepency between what hwclock outputs vs the debug info, please fix. Mar 04 03:08:32 Thanks! Mar 04 03:45:06 re Mar 04 03:47:07 well, I'm sad to say that I've had to flash prodslug back to unslung. Mar 04 03:52:37 Access to anything (other than mass storage) that I have plugged into a high-speed powered hub fails to work when using openslug, but seems to work fine with unslung. Mar 04 03:56:05 So far I have tried a usb-serial cable (doesn't work when plugged into a hub with openslug, works fine when plugged in directly, haven't tried yet on unslung), the connections with puppy to the topfields (works fine on the hub with unslung, doesn't work with openslug), and the bluetooth adapter (doesn't work when plugged into a hub with openslug, works fine when plugged in directly). Mar 04 03:57:23 So tonight I'm flashing back to unslung, and building modules for usb serial and the bluetooth adapter, and doing some testing on unslung. If those things work plugged into the hub with unslung, then I will declare the 2.6.9 kernel horribly broken with respect to high speed hubs. Mar 04 03:58:51 then if 2.6.9 is found to be broken, I will test 2.6.11, and see if it is still broken. If both are broken, I will have to go back to unslung for prodslug until we get a kernel that works for a high speed hub. Mar 04 03:59:51 Does it just plain not work? or do you have some sort of diagnostic in dmesg? Mar 04 04:00:23 I posted the error message for the sreial cable last night. Mar 04 04:00:33 I wonder if we need another kernel bit to make it go with a hub. Mar 04 04:00:33 let me find it again ... Mar 04 04:00:38 so thats the error you get for all devices? Mar 04 04:00:47 (its in my buffer) Mar 04 04:01:04 let me try the toppies again ... Mar 04 04:01:31 for puppy, I get: Mar 04 04:01:34 usb 1-1.4: bulk timeout on ep2in Mar 04 04:01:35 usb 1-1.4: usbfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed ep 0x82 len 4096 ret -110 Mar 04 04:03:09 I now have prodslug and devslug both up next to the routers, with a 5m usb cable to the hub. Note that I got the same errors when the hub was connected with a short cable, so the cable is not the issue (the hub is powered too). Mar 04 04:04:02 hmm Mar 04 04:04:14 do you havae time to play around? Mar 04 04:04:21 this may well be an incentive to get Unslung 4.x released, with usb serial, bluetooth, and ppd support built-in .... Mar 04 04:05:30 Well, you already did the heavy lifting for most of those. Mar 04 04:05:41 yep, I have time at the moment, but it could get interrupted at any time if a certain little girl wakes up ... Mar 04 04:06:09 Okay, try build a kernel without ehci in it. Mar 04 04:06:15 and build with ochi only. Mar 04 04:06:19 ohci Mar 04 04:06:29 the devices you've described i think fall into that category. Mar 04 04:07:26 I should just buy a cheepy hub. Mar 04 04:08:04 so you think that ehci is broken, but that I can run those devices at full speed instead of high speed using ohci? Mar 04 04:08:56 a 4 port usb 2.0 hub should be dirt cheap over there ... Mar 04 04:09:16 thats basically what I'm suggesting we try.... Mar 04 04:09:41 The OHCI devices use a differnt interrupt set. Mar 04 04:09:49 ok, what do I need to turn off in defconfig? just CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD? Mar 04 04:09:55 I think so... Mar 04 04:10:18 what are CONFIG_USB_EHCI_SPLIT_ISO and CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT for? Mar 04 04:10:42 "full speed iso transfers" and .. Transistional something... or something Mar 04 04:10:46 both not neccessary. Mar 04 04:11:27 Transaction Translator. Mar 04 04:13:00 will my usb 2.0 hub still work if ehci is not there? Mar 04 04:13:23 It should fallback to full speed. Mar 04 04:13:27 "should". Mar 04 04:13:29 ;-) Mar 04 04:16:26 ok, compiling ... Mar 04 04:16:35 (will take a while, cause I'm compiling unslung too) Mar 04 04:17:20 is there someone who is willing to buy an nslu2, put a serial port on it, and send it to lennert, for USD$100 ? Mar 04 04:17:44 (you can keep the change) Mar 04 04:18:09 the nslu2 here are about 100 euros Mar 04 04:18:30 hmm Mar 04 04:18:41 so it more like 130 usd Mar 04 04:19:00 $80 from amazon. Mar 04 04:19:15 and I guess shipping from US to lennert will be expensive? lennert is in Europe, right? Mar 04 04:19:25 need the EU type Mar 04 04:19:39 take out the fluff and stuff it into a "standard intl priority box", shouldnt be too bad. Mar 04 04:20:15 lennert is dutck afiak Mar 04 04:20:19 dutch Mar 04 04:20:30 what kinda power do they have in nl? Mar 04 04:20:40 dutch power ;) Mar 04 04:20:42 "regular europlug" ? Mar 04 04:20:46 yep Mar 04 04:20:54 230V Mar 04 04:21:03 anyway, we have a community member who is willing to donate another US$100 if we buy lennert a serial-enabled slug Mar 04 04:21:24 and if it costs more than USD$100, then we will cover the difference as well Mar 04 04:21:27 The Power Supply from here is 100-120V only. Mar 04 04:22:06 * perlguru-work checking a pricewatcher in nl Mar 04 04:22:26 if I can find my spare Compsys adapter, and if lennert has the right size plug 5V adapter in his input voltage, I can. Mar 04 04:22:37 $AUS150 here Mar 04 04:23:52 cheapest in nl: 85 euro Mar 04 04:24:11 I somehow doubt Lennert would appreciate UBESSA. Mar 04 04:24:45 or donate lennert the money so he can buy one himself Mar 04 04:26:06 next time someone sees lennert, ask him if a USD$100 donation would allow him to do it himself ... Mar 04 04:26:52 dyoung: you were far more gentle with fox than I was going to be. I had a reply written: "Gee, why didn't we think of that!", but I decided not to send it :-) Mar 04 04:27:08 heh. Mar 04 04:27:15 I had one of those written too. Mar 04 04:28:07 morning sunshine! Mar 04 04:28:07 hi [g2] Mar 04 04:28:21 <[g2]> perlguru-work, morning! Mar 04 04:28:27 <[g2]> rwhitby, Morning :) Mar 04 04:28:36 * dyoung pouts Mar 04 04:28:38 [g2]: how's the remedial soldering course going ? Mar 04 04:29:02 <[g2]> Hey I'm gonna buy a temp controlled soldering iron Mar 04 04:29:10 <[g2]> with a good tip Mar 04 04:29:21 (we need someone to put a serial port on a slug and send it to lennert. we have a community member who will donate USD$100 for us to do that) Mar 04 04:29:22 <[g2]> and practice practice practice Mar 04 04:29:55 <[g2]> samm71 Mar 04 04:30:15 <[g2]> he's got 128MB on his slug --- that over-achiever Mar 04 04:30:30 has he got a kernel that uses it/ Mar 04 04:30:55 <[g2]> dunno but he's a driver level hw guy Mar 04 04:33:12 <[g2]> dyoung, Hey Congrats on the date fix ! Mar 04 04:33:26 well, not yet. Mar 04 04:33:40 read that stuff I wrote afterwards. Mar 04 04:33:42 <[g2]> dyoung, I saw a cset Mar 04 04:33:59 i mean it WORKS... but it doesnt fix the root problem. Mar 04 04:35:08 I would almost consider it UBE. Mar 04 04:38:14 \o/ Mar 04 04:49:31 <[g2]> siddy-away, Congrats on the 2.6.11 Mar 04 04:55:28 [g2], thx, works like a charm up to now, apart from those nobody-cared-errors. Mar 04 04:56:22 dyoung: puppy still fails with OHCI only Mar 04 04:56:29 will check serial next Mar 04 04:58:16 <[g2]> siddy-away, how's the torrent thing testing ? Mar 04 04:59:47 it's running for 3 hours now without problems. So, it looks good, but it may fail every moment... Mar 04 05:00:22 I'll let it seed for some days before I consider this thing stable. :) Mar 04 05:00:34 <[g2]> siddy-away, your are using the interrupt driven ixp driver right ? Mar 04 05:00:41 yes. Mar 04 05:01:07 <[g2]> and your date off by a month unless you've got dyoung's latest patch correct Mar 04 05:01:28 no, I'm using ntpdate at startup to fix this. Mar 04 05:01:37 <[g2]> siddy-away, is *such* a forward thinker :) Mar 04 05:01:53 <[g2]> ah... That'll do it too Mar 04 05:03:10 <[g2]> siddy-away, So EHCI's the last big know issue right now correct ? Mar 04 05:03:42 yes, looks like it. But I have no clue where to start looking for that error. Mar 04 05:04:15 ~clue Mar 04 05:04:19 i guess clue is a very useful thing indeed. Mar 04 05:05:19 <[g2]> ehci_watchdog :) Mar 04 05:05:26 dyoung: serial cable works on hub with ohci only Mar 04 05:05:33 hmm Mar 04 05:05:40 I was kind of hoping it wouldnt work. Mar 04 05:05:44 because now I'm confused. Mar 04 05:05:54 so ehci is definitely broken for hubs for 2.6.9 Mar 04 05:05:57 but dont get me wrong, I'm happy it DOES work. Mar 04 05:06:03 but... Mar 04 05:06:19 <[g2]> is this a hotplug-ng issue ? Mar 04 05:06:21 puppy still doesn't work, but that's version 1.8 of puppy - will have to try again with 1.6 Mar 04 05:06:27 no, modules are loaded Mar 04 05:06:35 usbserial and pl2303 Mar 04 05:07:06 <[g2]> so when the device is plugged in hotplug is kicked Mar 04 05:07:16 <[g2]> hotplug usb Mar 04 05:07:19 yes Mar 04 05:07:35 <[g2]> which loads the driver, but then the driver doesn't work Mar 04 05:07:54 rwhitby, what kernel did you try this with? Mar 04 05:07:59 the summary is that I have a pl2303 usb-serial cable, and a 7 port hub, connected to openslug 2.6.9 Mar 04 05:08:00 (our experiment) Mar 04 05:08:06 ok Mar 04 05:08:17 when the cable is connected directly to the slug, everything is fine Mar 04 05:08:37 when the cable is connected to the hub (which is connected to the slug), I get the error that I reported last night Mar 04 05:08:54 when ehci is turned off, and the cable is connected to the hub, it starts working again Mar 04 05:09:17 <[g2]> Did you enable the TT hub stuff Mar 04 05:09:19 will now try with the bluetooth adapter, and see if it starts working again too Mar 04 05:09:35 [g2]: TT hub stuff is not relevant (I read the config file) Mar 04 05:09:56 it's for host chips that do ohci in a funny way (like the ARC usb core) Mar 04 05:10:43 <[g2]> ok Mar 04 05:11:12 <[g2]> So I'd expect the same issue to happen on a desktop running 2.6.9 Mar 04 05:11:45 only if the desktop has the same version of 2.6.9 that we have Mar 04 05:14:25 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, nite! Mar 04 05:15:24 dyoung-zzzz: bluetooth dongle works too Mar 04 05:15:44 Ok Mar 04 05:16:09 that tells me that either EHCI is busted for hubs, or EHCI is busted, or the IRQ assigned to EHCI is busted. Mar 04 05:17:38 I've never had puppy 1.8 work with openslug, so that could be a puppy failure Mar 04 05:17:58 it (puppy 1.8) doesn't work with or without ehci on openslug Mar 04 05:18:18 ok, so here's an idea. Mar 04 05:18:32 we make ehci a module, but include it in the default image. Mar 04 05:18:46 is there a way to make the kernel load ochi before ehci? Mar 04 05:18:59 so those who want ehci leave it as-is, and those that don't want it, can just remove it from the disk so the kernel can't load it Mar 04 05:19:03 I wonder if that would be enough to re-arrange the irq assignments. Mar 04 05:19:19 and I wonder if I'm barking up the wrong tree. Mar 04 05:19:27 we could make them both modules, and test theories like that Mar 04 05:20:14 rwhitby-away, thanks for taking the time to do that experiement. Mar 04 05:20:47 no problem - it has given me a way to use openslug for prodslug again Mar 04 05:21:10 <[g2]> anybody know what these are ? Mar 04 05:21:13 <[g2]> enable_irq(22) unbalanced from c00111d8 Mar 04 05:21:13 <[g2]> enable_irq(29) unbalanced from c00111e0 Mar 04 05:21:14 assuming y ou can make puppy go Mar 04 05:21:27 <[g2]> John B mentioned them the other day Mar 04 05:21:31 I dunno I saw that and was wondering how we can be using 6 IRQ's when we only have 3. Mar 04 05:22:15 <[g2]> There's 3 pci int right Mar 04 05:22:21 I have never managed to get puppy to work on 2.6, but apparently 2.6 desktop users have it going Mar 04 05:22:23 yeah Mar 04 05:22:47 peteru-home: do you have openslug running yet? Mar 04 05:22:51 then again, I've never had a toppy connected to a 2.6 machine Mar 04 05:23:08 <[g2]> but there's 30 soft ints ??? Mar 04 05:23:27 <[g2]> plus Err Mar 04 05:23:32 I've got sidetracked - trying to source a Max 3232 so that I can have serial Mar 04 05:23:50 ~sidetracked Mar 04 05:23:54 ~distracted Mar 04 05:23:57 just buy a compsys kit Mar 04 05:24:11 It's annoyingly difficult to get a serial port at a short notice. Mar 04 05:24:36 I've only got a 5v version spare here .. Mar 04 05:24:42 hehe, and people wonder why I have pilesof MAX3232's and LVC244's lying around.... Mar 04 05:25:35 I only managed to find one supplier in Sydnay that had stock today, but their minimum buy quantity was 20 units for $188 + tax :( Mar 04 05:26:22 must... resist..... Mar 04 05:26:38 can't help myself.... Mar 04 05:26:41 ~ubessa Mar 04 05:26:42 hmm... ubessa is a Unorthrodox But Effective Super Serial Adapter. It refers to a UBE board using a MAX232 coupled to a 74LVC244 because somebody was too lazy to get a MAX3232. Mar 04 05:26:43 ~test Mar 04 05:26:44 OH FUCK! OH FUCK ME! I didn't study!! Mar 04 05:26:49 uh Mar 04 05:26:51 that's not nice Mar 04 05:27:01 jbot, forget test Mar 04 05:27:02 i forgot test, jacques Mar 04 05:27:17 sounded like kergoth :P Mar 04 05:27:44 internet is really screwed up right now Mar 04 05:27:53 more detail on 244 + Max 232 please Mar 04 05:28:11 it has to be a LVC244. Mar 04 05:28:17 atdn.net is major culprit Mar 04 05:28:23 (I cant believe I'm having this conversation) Mar 04 05:28:34 I'm happy to coble up something tomorrow morning, providing I can get all the parts on Sat - that would give me at least Sunday to hack :-) Mar 04 05:28:35 the LVC244 is 5V Tolerant. Mar 04 05:29:06 so you use it to buffer/convert the 5V TTL output from the MAX232 into your nslu2. Mar 04 05:29:14 ok, puppy 1.6 fails on openslug 2.6.9 OHCI-only behind a hub Mar 04 05:29:24 you wouldn't have a url to a circuit diagram by any chance? Mar 04 05:29:26 You'll power the LVC244 with 3.3V Mar 04 05:29:30 uh... Mar 04 05:29:32 hmm Mar 04 05:29:39 I kinda made it up as I went along.... Mar 04 05:29:43 but lets see here.... Mar 04 05:30:24 * peteru-home can read and understand simple circuits, but when it comes to designing them - too much magic blue smoke and not enough tools to figure it out :) Mar 04 05:30:44 s/tools/experience Mar 04 05:30:59 http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/UBESSA Mar 04 05:31:12 If you have a datasheet for the LVC244 you might be able to figure it out.... Mar 04 05:31:19 when were you planning to work on this? Mar 04 05:31:28 (in +hours) Mar 04 05:32:00 need about 8 hours sleep first. Mar 04 05:32:12 Me too Mar 04 05:32:15 Ok Mar 04 05:32:20 I still ahve UBESSA... Mar 04 05:32:35 buzz it out :-) Mar 04 05:32:40 I'll look at it when I wake up and yeah do that. Mar 04 05:33:21 need to get peteru-home on openslug, so he can debug this puppy failure :-) Mar 04 05:33:31 actually, don't worry dyoung-zzzz - the only shop open tomorrow only has 74LS series. Mar 04 05:33:42 0.03 Mbytes in 00:00:00 Mar 04 05:33:42 error 110 reading from bulk endpoint 0x82: Connection timed out Mar 04 05:33:42 Short read. -1 bytes Mar 04 05:34:07 send a couple of puppy - cancel commands Mar 04 05:34:12 then try again. Mar 04 05:34:17 that's with either puppy 1.6 or puppy 1.8 on openslug, both with or without ehci Mar 04 05:34:49 same result from puppy -c cancel (multiple times tried) Mar 04 05:35:00 some desktop 2.6 users reported that after puppy stops talking to the toppy, the toppy ends up in a weird state that requires a few cancels Mar 04 05:40:19 * peteru-home is stuffed and needs sleep. Mar 04 05:40:22 night all. Mar 04 05:40:35 oh well, nighty all. peteru, if you want me to draw up UBESSA, gimme your email address later. Mar 04 05:40:45 night peteru-home Mar 04 05:41:04 morning gents Mar 04 05:41:15 dyoung-zzzz: I'm going to put both ehci and ohci as modules in openslug Mar 04 05:42:14 or maybe just ehci, as putting both as modules would kill switchbox (as it wouldn't be able to load the disk) Mar 04 05:42:42 thanks dyoung-zzzz. I'll see what I can do about sourcing a Max 3232 next week... maybe http://au.farnell.com will work out. Mar 04 05:43:03 unless we pibot to the jffs2 and have its linuxrc pivot to (whatever) after loading the moudules it needs Mar 04 05:43:05 peteru-home: put an order in at compsys, and you'll get it within 5 days Mar 04 05:45:28 dyoung-zzzz, [g2]: shall I make ehci a module in 2.6.11 too, so we can repeat the experiments there ? Mar 04 05:47:49 Sure. Mar 04 05:48:00 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, are you saying you think ehci works as a module and not built in, or that OHCI needs to be loader first Mar 04 05:48:05 I wont look at it for at least 12 hours though. Mar 04 05:48:18 I want to finish nailing down this rtc bit first. Mar 04 05:48:30 (unless [g2] fixes it first) Mar 04 05:48:34 no, I am saying that ehci doesn't work with low speed devices on hubs on 2.6.9 full stop, but ohci does Mar 04 05:48:45 <[g2]> I'm off to the bookstore and some errands soon Mar 04 05:48:51 <[g2]> I'll be a quiet day for me Mar 04 05:48:53 and to test the same thing on 2.6.11, I need to make ehci a default-loaded module too Mar 04 05:49:16 rwhitby, go for it. 2.6.11 is Super Alpha. Mar 04 05:49:23 and its not even bulit by default. Mar 04 05:49:27 then the work-around for a broken ehci is to ipkg remove kernel-module-ehci Mar 04 05:49:55 zzzz Mar 04 05:50:03 and use full-speed usb 1.1 instead of high-speed usb 2.0 Mar 04 05:50:26 <[g2]> I'd think there'd be a google on this subject Mar 04 05:50:43 there was, and others are having problems with 2.6.x Mar 04 05:50:51 VoodooZ_work, i had an idea. Could our problem be somewhere in binutils? Mar 04 05:50:56 <[g2]> we're talking about a vanilla 2.6.9/11/x ehci issue right ? Mar 04 05:51:04 yep Mar 04 05:51:11 <[g2]> perlguru-work, only for AMD64 :) Mar 04 05:51:13 2.6.9 at least - I haven't tested 2.6.11 Mar 04 05:51:45 which version of binutils is in OE? Mar 04 05:51:52 has anyone else here tested anything other than disks on a hub on openslug? Mar 04 05:57:22 [g2]: those two irq messages (22 and 29) remind me of kas11's openn2 driver. they init some stuff on startup. Mar 04 05:59:36 perlguru-work: not sure. How would you suggest we try it. Mar 04 06:00:15 That's the only one in my tmp/work folder: binutils-cross-2.15.94.0.1-r0 Mar 04 06:00:20 * perlguru-work byebye Mar 04 06:00:49 ugh Mar 04 06:01:27 I shouldn't even say this, but what are the "supported" compiler versions for the kernels we're having problems with? Mar 04 06:01:38 so I'll take that as a "no, no-one else here has tested anything other than disks on a hub on openslug" Mar 04 06:02:24 I just recently bought a cheap mini USB1 hub and tried it on my slug with my webcam, bt and flash disk and it seemed to work fine. Mar 04 06:03:01 sorry, I meant to say a usb 2.0 hub (so it would use ehci) Mar 04 06:03:41 yeah. That's why I bought a USB1 in the first place, to avoid this problem as most of my devices used on my robot are only USB1 so I'm ok. Mar 04 06:07:35 I'm going to repeat all these tests on unslung, to see if it really is a kernel issue .... Mar 04 06:16:50 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2960.1.1 10openembedded/packages/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Made EHCI a module for the Openslug kernel, and added it to the default image. Added usb-serial, pl2303, bluetooth and ppp modules to Unslung. Fixed puppy 1.6 to use CVS directly. Mar 04 06:28:11 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2965 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Patched ppp_mppe.c in unslung kernel to fix compile errors Mar 04 06:39:44 * perlguru running CoLinux now on laptop :) Mar 04 06:43:44 lets see if i get openslug build tonight Mar 04 06:56:36 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libgd.mk: remove liblib typo in libgd-stage Mar 04 06:56:42 do we have vim yet on unslung? Mar 04 06:59:35 not yet, i guess Mar 04 07:03:46 several ppl said they were going to do it Mar 04 07:03:52 I guess they didn't Mar 04 07:10:21 paulhar is working on vim; it needs fixing right now, but hopefully should work soon Mar 04 07:10:59 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2965.1.1 10openembedded/packages/openslug-init/ (openslug-init_0.10.bb openslug-init-0.10/modutils.txt): Added ehci-hcd to modutils.txt for OpenSlug Mar 04 07:13:59 \o/ vim rocks! Mar 04 07:14:13 * perlguru going home now. ltr! Mar 04 07:14:29 * perlguru Leaving Mar 04 07:20:15 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libxslt.mk: libxslt: remove stray libexslt.la Mar 04 08:20:17 ok, so openslug 2.6.9 without ehci works for my bluetooth adapter, irtrans device and serial cable plugged into a hub. Mar 04 08:20:42 was about to try nfs, but unfortunately nfs-utils doesn't build in OE for openslug ... Mar 04 09:28:26 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/emacs.mk sources/emacs/control): emacs: fix missing rpath Mar 04 10:16:25 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libgd.mk: libgd: avoid implicit use of libiconv Mar 04 10:23:13 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/php.mk sources/php/zend-m4.patch sources/php/php.conf): update php to 5.0.3 Mar 04 11:31:34 hi Mar 04 11:35:18 <[g2]> perlguru, hi Mar 04 11:35:26 <[g2]> giel, ping Mar 04 11:38:06 [g2]: pong Mar 04 11:39:33 <[g2]> giel, I thought of you today :) Mar 04 11:39:53 <[g2]> I picked up a copy of the 3rd Ed Linux Device Drivers book Mar 04 11:41:00 There's a third edition? Mar 04 11:41:10 Does it cover 2.6? Mar 04 11:41:49 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, it's only 2.6 and it's based on 2.6.10 Mar 04 11:42:09 nice. Mar 04 11:42:29 I've got the second edition I think. NOt that I understand any of it! Mar 04 11:42:55 But I'd rather learn the new stuff as most of the USB and bus stuff has been redone. Mar 04 11:46:22 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, 3rd edition just came out Mar 04 11:46:35 I might consider it. Thanks. Mar 04 11:46:42 I love oreilly. Mar 04 11:50:12 <[g2]> I was wondering how giel liked his copy Mar 04 11:50:32 i should probably pick both that and rml's book up Mar 04 11:54:12 [g2]: i don't even have my copy Mar 04 11:54:21 [g2]: i wish i'd bought it of my own money Mar 04 11:54:36 instead, i ordered it at work, but those guys are soooo slow Mar 04 11:54:37 <[g2]> kergoth, I'm sure you would pick up a tip or two, but I think it's really a noob's like me :) Mar 04 11:54:42 maybe i buy one for home anyhow Mar 04 11:54:44 <[g2]> doh! Mar 04 11:54:50 [g2]: well, its useful reference material. Mar 04 11:55:00 [g2]: i know about most of the driver stuff, but i forget exact syntaxes and stuff Mar 04 11:55:09 so i have a tendency to need reference material to look that up in Mar 04 11:55:13 [g2]: and i really need it, i need to make a driver for this minipci dvb-t card Mar 04 11:55:23 or i'll remember that there's this certani api, but forget what its called Mar 04 11:55:24 but first! eat! Mar 04 11:55:24 :) Mar 04 11:55:26 bbl\ Mar 04 11:56:48 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php.mk: php: avoid configure picking up host libxml2 Mar 04 13:22:46 morning Mar 04 13:22:54 howdy Mar 04 13:23:42 prodslug is back running openslug-sans-ehci Mar 04 13:24:19 but I broke my serial port in it - will need to fix that today Mar 04 13:25:23 ka6sox: do you have the pinout for the second cable you sent me (two chip board)? Mar 04 13:26:01 yes...let me dig it up. Mar 04 13:26:41 prodslug now has both the 7 port powered hub and the 4 port unpowered hub on it Mar 04 13:26:56 buzy box. Mar 04 13:27:23 all running ohci Mar 04 13:27:36 <[g2]> rwhitby-treo, you mean openslug with ehci as module Mar 04 13:27:58 <[g2]> I guess you don't :) Mar 04 13:28:15 <[g2]> Your are running OpenSlug with only OHCI Mar 04 13:28:35 <[g2]> so all devices are limited to 12Mbs Mar 04 13:28:46 as a module, but not loaded Mar 04 13:28:51 yeah Mar 04 13:29:19 everything except the disk is 1.1 anyway Mar 04 13:29:44 when we fix ehci, I go back to high speed ... Mar 04 13:29:53 <[g2]> nod. Mar 04 13:29:55 <[g2]> Cool Mar 04 13:30:34 <[g2]> So OpenOHCISlug :) Mar 04 13:31:06 okay cool. Mar 04 13:31:08 yeah, but I like to call it AccessSlug now ... Mar 04 13:31:29 rwhitby-treo, would you mind sending me a bootlog or dmesg output from AccessSlug ? Mar 04 13:32:55 BT, modem, ssh gateway, miau gateway, tftp server, toppy gateway, irtrans server, microcom to devslug, ... Mar 04 13:33:22 dyoung: what are you interested in? Mar 04 13:33:58 <[g2]> HubSlug Mar 04 13:34:11 <[g2]> GrandCentralSlug Mar 04 13:34:25 anyone run nfsd on openslug yet? Mar 04 13:34:52 HubSlug is good ... Mar 04 13:35:08 <[g2]> AccessSlug is better :) Mar 04 13:35:36 I need to upload a new picture to the gallery Mar 04 13:36:02 I'm interested in the irq that were assigned to the ohci hub(s). Mar 04 13:37:35 rwhitby-treo, I run nfsd. Works perfect! :) Mar 04 13:40:40 <[g2]> siddy-away, which version of nfs ? Mar 04 13:41:07 3 Mar 04 13:41:18 <[g2]> and do you run TCP or UDP if that makes sense ? Mar 04 13:42:00 siddy: how did you compile nfs-utils? Mar 04 13:42:02 I only use UDP. I don't have that much package-loss in my mini-lan. ;) Mar 04 13:42:32 rwhitby-treo, I had to compile it natively, the openembedded-build failed. Mar 04 13:42:46 aha Mar 04 13:44:59 ohci: 28, 27 Mar 04 13:46:06 hmm - so will we need an openslug native package feed? Mar 04 13:46:38 I wonder if we can fix it in OE ... Mar 04 13:47:09 in that order? Mar 04 13:47:29 yeah, 28 then 27 Mar 04 13:47:40 nfs-utils can be cross-build for unslung, so I guess it should be possible to fix it in OE. Mar 04 13:48:05 I just had no idea how that OE-thing really works, so I didn't even try to fix it. Mar 04 13:59:10 new photos uploaded: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central Mar 04 14:00:41 cool Mar 04 14:07:19 ka6sox: I meant the other cable (the one with two chips on it) Mar 04 14:08:00 <[g2]> rwhitby, is prodslug running 2.6.9 or 2.6.11 ? Mar 04 14:08:10 .9 Mar 04 14:08:21 the other cable is the one for the remotes. Mar 04 14:08:36 (the 2 remotes ) Mar 04 14:08:37 it's "Prod" slug :-) Mar 04 14:08:48 AccessSlug? Mar 04 14:08:54 as in Cattle Prod? Mar 04 14:09:22 ka6sox: you threw in an extra serial cable (the one which had the case intact) - it's a nokia data cable I think Mar 04 14:09:40 prod, as in running the stable, not the dev kernel Mar 04 14:10:01 um.... Mar 04 14:10:13 oh...I know now... Mar 04 14:10:25 lemme check on that. Mar 04 14:11:22 rwhitby: can you send me a picture? Mar 04 14:11:31 my brain is fuzzy Mar 04 14:26:28 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/samba.mk: sync SAMBA_IPK_VERSION with sources/samba/control Mar 04 14:28:03 ka6sox: this one: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/RS1700787 - do you have full pinout for it? Mar 04 14:31:48 thats a dyoung pix...iirc... Mar 04 14:31:59 but its easy for me to pinout. Mar 04 14:37:18 night all Mar 04 14:38:59 I might try and get an unslung version of AccessSlug working too ... Mar 04 14:54:31 does anyone have views about whether it's necessary or desirable to use libiconv in unslung? at present some packages use it, and others use glibc's built-in iconv(). this is a pain, because libiconv installs an iconv.h that gets in the way of glibc's Mar 04 14:58:06 you sould never need libiconv if your c library supports iconv. Mar 04 14:58:10 should Mar 04 14:58:15 i see no point in using it Mar 04 14:58:45 i've said this on multiple occasions now Mar 04 14:58:51 yet people are still trying to usei t Mar 04 15:03:46 <[g2]> kergoth, quit being so wishy-wash. Take a stand dammit ! Mar 04 15:04:25 <[g2]> :) Mar 04 15:11:07 <[g2]> I hope this runs Linux :) http://www.extremetech.com/slideshow_viewer/0,2393,l=&s=26720&a=146996&po=10,00.asp Mar 04 15:13:20 <[g2]> I'm sure dyoung will think this look cool http://www.extremetech.com/slideshow_viewer/0,2393,l=&s=25522&a=146996&po=11,00.asp Mar 04 15:15:57 <[g2]> jp30-work, Congrats on PHP5, Does that integrate with thttpd or apache ? Mar 04 15:17:27 <[g2]> bob_tm-sick, Hope you feel better Mar 04 15:17:41 [g2]: thanks Mar 04 15:18:04 I got the standard flu - I'll be out for 5 days. Mar 04 15:18:38 At least it is nice to have internal central heating in Norway these days. Mar 04 15:19:11 <[g2]> how cold is it in Norway these days ? Mar 04 15:19:57 Was -15 C yesterday, but much better today Mar 04 15:20:15 I'm +39 C, which helps. Mar 04 15:20:31 And are you still getting snow? Mar 04 15:20:50 Oh, probably not :-) Mar 04 15:21:43 bob_tm-sick: plenty of time for unslung hacking? Mar 04 15:22:25 Yeah, in theory. My computer room is supposed to be converted into a guest room before Sunday. Mar 04 15:22:36 Getting a Dutch professor here for a few weeks Mar 04 15:23:16 <[g2]> perfect timing to give the professor the flu :) Mar 04 15:23:19 I need to set up proper cabling tomorrow, or there will be no wired network. Mar 04 15:23:23 Yes, isn't it? Mar 04 15:23:33 is he a leet hacker too? Mar 04 15:23:48 Nah - a linguist. Pragma-semantics. Mar 04 15:24:17 is he cunning? Mar 04 15:24:38 Yes, I believe so - not my field. When I hear about people like that, it suddently feels reasonable to play with small plastic computers. Mar 04 15:25:44 I tried to look for wake-on-lan support in the X-scale family, but couldn't find it. Can it be done? Mar 04 15:26:33 <[g2]> bob_tm-sick, you mean receiving WOL packets ? Mar 04 15:26:35 Eh, oh, sorry. A tuba _can_ be made into a rocket launcher. I mean within reasonable limits Mar 04 15:26:40 [g2]: yes Mar 04 15:27:04 <[g2]> It can receive them when powered-on :) Mar 04 15:27:13 That's nice. Mar 04 15:27:33 <[g2]> I'm not aware (and I'd be surprised) if it was supported Mar 04 15:27:35