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Mar 17 00:50:37 <dyoung-zzzz> morning sunshine.
Mar 17 00:50:55 <rwhitby> g'day
Mar 17 00:51:55 <ka6sox> howdy
Mar 17 00:52:19 <dyoung-zzzz> I broke down and bougt a spca5xx webcam today
Mar 17 00:52:31 <dyoung-zzzz> so spca5xx is pushed.
Mar 17 00:53:02 <dyoung-zzzz> now I need to identify some program to grab from it.
Mar 17 00:53:50 <rwhitby> how much?
Mar 17 00:54:22 * rwhitby needs to focus and get an unslung box running with all the latest neat things like gallery and nfs and so forth
Mar 17 00:55:12 <rwhitby> just about to push my fstab fixes
Mar 17 00:56:49 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3084 10openembedded/packages/base-files/base-files_3.0.14.bb: 
Mar 17 00:56:49 <CIA-1> Merge bk://nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/openembedded
Mar 17 00:56:49 <CIA-1> into home.(none):/home/bitbake/openembedded
Mar 17 00:57:00 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3080.1.1 10openembedded/packages/base-files/ (base-files/openslug/fstab base-files_3.0.14.bb): Changed base-files/nslu2 to base-files/openslug, and fixed a couple of errors in the fstab.
Mar 17 00:57:13 * perlguru byebye
Mar 17 00:57:22 <dyoung-zzzz> It was $30.
Mar 17 00:59:07 <dyoung-zzzz> Yeah, if I get back on the Unslung Bus, i might be motivated to do some heavy lifting with the module thing.
Mar 17 01:04:57 <rwhitby> yeah - it's time to do that ....
Mar 17 01:07:14 <dyoung> Anyone know of a good reference of typical endian issues and how to repair them?
Mar 17 01:15:15 <perlguru> http://www.netrino.com/Publications/Glossary/Endianness.html
Mar 17 02:39:26 <dyoung> perlguru thanks!
Mar 17 02:39:49 <perlguru> well, it might help to get some insight
Mar 17 02:41:40 <dyoung> I understand the problem, I just don t have a understanding of how it typically manifests itself in code.  I'm basically being lazy because I dont wanna think about it. ;-)
Mar 17 03:03:22 <wipmac> did any1 try the traffic-shaping on the nslu2 as suggested in the HowTo'S? Is it working well?
Mar 17 03:12:13 <siddy> wipmac, very well. ;)
Mar 17 03:13:15 <wipmac> you made it, right? on which unslung version is it based?
Mar 17 03:13:44 <siddy> oh, to be honest, I don't really remember. must have been some beta of 3.17 or 18
Mar 17 03:14:33 <wipmac> areyou running your slug with unslung or openslug?
Mar 17 03:14:44 <siddy> openslug
Mar 17 03:15:03 <wipmac> working well? :)
Mar 17 03:26:30 <wipmac> siddy: may i ask you something about traffic to/from nslu2 and the net?
Mar 17 03:26:40 <siddy> of course.
Mar 17 03:28:47 <wipmac> look, i have btget (as part of libbt) running. i know i cant manage bandwidth with the "normal" unslung. so i have like 3 kb upload and 20 kb download on a normal dsl-line. but after like 24 hours or so it all gets slowed down to some bytes/sec up & download. and if i open a new ssh window and try "ipkg update" there is no reply..so something must be stalled.. what u think of this situation?
Mar 17 03:30:39 <wipmac> oops..i confused up and download! its theother way around
Mar 17 03:31:00 <siddy> hm, strange. dunno, can't really explain this behaviour.
Mar 17 03:31:06 <siddy> 20kb/s upload?
Mar 17 03:31:10 <wipmac> after reboot things are fine again
Mar 17 03:31:26 <wipmac> 20 kb yes, they eat up my full upload bandwidth
Mar 17 03:31:47 <wipmac> nothing else working..so you know why i wanna implement your traffic shaping concept
Mar 17 03:32:12 <siddy> you are on a normal 128kbit telekom-line?
Mar 17 03:32:25 <wipmac> yep, soits like 16-20 kb
Mar 17 03:33:39 <siddy> yep, you have a line-limit of 16kbyte/s upload, but you send 20kbyte/s. so someone's buffers will terribly fill up (i.e. the router's buffers or even the modem's buffers) and communication will get ugly... ;)
Mar 17 03:34:19 <siddy> but it shouldn't stall totally imho.
Mar 17 03:36:05 <wip> jetzt nur noh schaun obs als screen im hintergrund laeuft
Mar 17 03:36:15 <wip> oops
Mar 17 03:36:20 <siddy> :)
Mar 17 04:15:42 * rwhitby-away is mesmerized by an unslung ipkg install php ....
Mar 17 04:18:02 <rwhitby-away> php is installing 18 packages and counting.  I never imagined that unslung packages would ever get this sophisticated ...
Mar 17 05:37:49 * perlguru byebye
Mar 17 05:39:30 * perlguru byebye
Mar 17 05:45:14 <giel> uh yeah, bye
Mar 17 05:47:44 * perlguru byebye
Mar 17 05:52:12 * giel points and sings, "that's all you can saahaaay, that's all you can saaahaaay"
Mar 17 05:58:42 * perlguru byebye
Mar 17 06:17:15 * giel byebye
Mar 17 07:58:00 <nav1> i'd like to get usb audio working on my NSLU2, can anyone point me in the right direction? I've got unslung3.18 installed 
Mar 17 11:10:34 <chrt1> my first openslug 1.7 samba stability test.... 
Mar 17 11:13:19 <chrta> the box crashed :(
Mar 17 11:13:43 <[g2]> ~logs
Mar 17 11:13:44 <jbot> apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
Mar 17 11:14:24 <chrta> i cannot switch it off via the button
Mar 17 11:20:16 <chrta> i received a kernel panic message via the serial line, should i save it for anyone?
Mar 17 11:31:50 <siddy-away> chrta, post it on the wiki, perhaps it's the same crash I am experiencing when torrenting.
Mar 17 11:37:17 <chrta> on what page should i add it?
Mar 17 11:40:05 <siddy-away> dunno, create a new one.
Mar 17 11:59:00 <chrta> ok,how do i add a page to the wiki?
Mar 17 12:00:42 <siddy-away> hehe, just go to http://nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Openslug/YourChoice and edit the page
Mar 17 12:01:08 <siddy-away> s/Openslug/OpenSlug/
Mar 17 12:01:46 <chrta> who renames the page?
Mar 17 12:02:06 <siddy-away> ? just substitute "YourChoice" with the right name.
Mar 17 12:03:03 <chrta> oh, good
Mar 17 12:15:40 <chrta> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KernelPanic
Mar 17 12:16:26 <chrta> but i don't know how to remove the questionmarks from some items and how to use monospace for many lines
Mar 17 12:18:35 <siddy-away> hm... could you try to reproduce the crash with kallsyms enabled?
Mar 17 12:19:12 <chrta> where do i enable kallsyms? in defconfig
Mar 17 12:19:17 <siddy-away> yep
Mar 17 12:21:28 <chrta> kallsyms=y or m?
Mar 17 12:21:38 <[g2]> chrta, I think you can look up the addresses in your map
Mar 17 12:22:50 <chrta> where do i find it?
Mar 17 12:24:35 <[g2]> I'd guess it be System.map in the tmp/work/openslug-kernel-2.6.11.2-r2?.....
Mar 17 12:25:25 <siddy-away> or /proc/kallsym on the slug
Mar 17 12:25:45 <siddy-away> kallsyms even
Mar 17 12:25:55 <[g2]> siddy-away, I think the defconfig turns that off
Mar 17 12:26:28 <[g2]> I guess the names for linking may be there
Mar 17 12:26:30 <siddy-away> really? why do you turn everything off that might be useful for debuging? I thought we were in alpha-stadium...
Mar 17 12:26:47 <[g2]> siddy-away, because EHCI didn't fit
Mar 17 12:27:01 <chrta> found it on my host
Mar 17 12:29:21 <chrta> which adresses should i look for in the System.map? the PC or the Backtrace adresses?
Mar 17 12:30:13 <siddy-away> PC will be a good start
Mar 17 12:30:24 <[g2]> :)
Mar 17 12:31:09 <chrta> PC adress not found in System.map :(
Mar 17 12:32:06 <[g2]> lr : [<c0135500>]
Mar 17 12:32:17 <[g2]> I'd guess that's the link register or return address
Mar 17 12:32:18 <chrta> fond it, it's between 2 functions
Mar 17 12:32:32 <siddy-away> chrta, you have to search for the maximum lower bound of PC
Mar 17 12:32:56 <[g2]> chrta, what are the functions ?
Mar 17 12:33:03 <chrta> yes, it's c0134ab8 t qh_completions
Mar 17 12:33:20 <chrta> the nex would be c0134ee0 t end_unlink_async
Mar 17 12:33:27 <chrta> ..next..
Mar 17 12:33:57 <chrta> should i add my System.map to the wiki page?
Mar 17 12:34:08 <[g2]> where's the return address pointing
Mar 17 12:34:27 <chrta> this is lr?
Mar 17 12:34:54 <[g2]> The System.map would be helpful, I don't think there's a whole bunch of secret stuff in there other than your host and maybe user names and stuff like that 
Mar 17 12:34:58 <siddy-away> oh, qh_completions is in ehci...
Mar 17 12:35:19 <chrta> c013541c t ehci_work
Mar 17 12:35:19 <chrta> c0135b44 t ehci_hub_suspend
Mar 17 12:35:26 <chrta> between this to functions
Mar 17 12:35:33 <chrta> i add it
Mar 17 12:36:23 <[g2]> chrta you don't by chance have a usb2.0-to-ethernet adapter do you ?
Mar 17 12:36:33 <[g2]> and one of your usb ports open
Mar 17 12:37:19 <chrta> no usb ethernet adapter around..
Mar 17 12:38:02 <chrta> System.map file are about 14000 lines...
Mar 17 12:38:11 <chrta> i think i don't add it
Mar 17 12:40:10 <siddy-away> chrta, could you run ksymoops on the oops and the System.map? It would give us all the symbols in the stackdump.
Mar 17 12:40:15 <[g2]> well I don't know, but I doubt that since the kernel it "Tainted" with the Intel drivers that ppl on the arm linux ml will even look at the problem
Mar 17 12:41:13 <[g2]> I'd think you can run the samba sever with a usb2.0 usbnet adapter and produce the same problem
Mar 17 12:41:28 <[g2]> however the kernel would not be "Tainted"
Mar 17 12:42:03 <[g2]> and then the kernel hacker wouldn't have an excuse for not looking at it, except that it's could be a samba bug
Mar 17 12:42:16 <chrta> tainted means a non gpl module is loaded?
Mar 17 12:42:30 <[g2]> proprietary
Mar 17 12:43:00 <chrta> btw what mean lr? l? register
Mar 17 12:43:12 <[g2]> usually link register
Mar 17 12:43:46 <chrta> ah, that's new to me
Mar 17 12:44:11 <chrta> should i include some backtrace adresses, too?
Mar 17 12:44:26 <chrta> in the wiki System.map part?
Mar 17 12:55:57 <chrta> siddy-away: sorry, missed your msg. 
Mar 17 13:01:32 <j0n> When I use slugimage on the openslug image, should ramdisk.gz be only 208Kb?
Mar 17 13:10:49 <[g2]> j0n, i'm pretty sure the ramdisk.gz is switchbox
Mar 17 13:11:21 <[g2]> j0n, What are you trying to do with OpenSlug
Mar 17 13:16:13 <chrta> i added the output of ksymoops to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KernelPanic 
Mar 17 13:21:10 <[g2]> thx
Mar 17 13:26:18 <giel> fi-na-ly i've got my registration certificate
Mar 17 13:26:20 <giel> for catr
Mar 17 13:26:21 <giel> car*
Mar 17 13:29:10 <siddy-away> giel, congrats!!
Mar 17 13:29:45 <siddy-away> so, now you can import it?
Mar 17 13:29:50 <giel> it's already imported
Mar 17 13:29:53 <giel> this was the last step
Mar 17 13:30:04 <giel> first thing tomorrow i can get my license plates
Mar 17 13:30:18 <siddy-away> ah, cool.
Mar 17 13:30:44 <giel> i feel like a kid the night before its birthday
Mar 17 13:30:58 <giel> only, the present is somewhat more expensive, and i have to pay for it myself
Mar 17 13:31:01 <giel> :)
Mar 17 13:31:11 <siddy-away> lol
Mar 17 13:31:58 <giel> heh, we dutchies sure showed that shaktar guys, ey :)
Mar 17 13:32:04 <giel> quarter finals, here we come
Mar 17 13:32:05 <giel> :P
Mar 17 13:33:35 <siddy-away> ? alkmaar won again?
Mar 17 13:34:03 <giel> uhu
Mar 17 13:34:11 <giel> 3-1, and 2-1 in the return
Mar 17 13:34:22 <giel> 1-3 and 2-1, that is
Mar 17 13:34:37 <siddy-away> cool, I hope they'll win the cup, so we can say "we shot a goal againt the cup-winner!" ;)
Mar 17 13:34:39 <giel> i can't believe it
Mar 17 13:34:45 <dyoung> After some poking around, this article seems pretty good.
Mar 17 13:34:47 <dyoung> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5783
Mar 17 13:34:58 <dyoung> regarding endian stuff.
Mar 17 13:35:10 <dyoung> I still dont know what the story is with this spca driver though.
Mar 17 13:36:07 <giel> bah, endian-ness is teh suck
Mar 17 13:37:53 <dyoung> Yes, it is.
Mar 17 13:38:45 <dyoung> The gist of it is /proc/bus/usb/devices tells me the camera is identifying the way its supposed to, but the camera driver says it aint.  so theres some mistmatch someplace.  Giving me a headache.
Mar 17 13:39:32 <giel> sorry, i would have helped you thinking about it, but my thinking-credits are all gone for today
Mar 17 13:39:39 <giel> had sucky problems at work
Mar 17 13:40:15 <giel> gave me a headache already
Mar 17 13:40:42 <dyoung> Bummers.
Mar 17 13:40:56 * dyoung hands giel some Beer Therapy
Mar 17 13:43:44 <giel> thanx
Mar 17 13:43:55 <giel> was already trying that :)
Mar 17 13:45:13 <giel> hey, the CELF is organising a meeting the day before OLS
Mar 17 13:45:15 <giel> in ottawa
Mar 17 13:52:07 <dyoung> Are you involved with a CELF member?
Mar 17 13:52:31 <kergoth> hmm, too bad i quit TI, so by OLS i'll not be a member of CELF anymore :)
Mar 17 13:53:07 <dyoung> I tried begging some contacts about becoming a CELF Member affiliate, but so far no luck. ;-)
Mar 17 13:54:11 <giel> well, i work for a CELF member
Mar 17 13:54:13 <kergoth> hehe
Mar 17 13:54:16 <giel> i'm not actively involved myself
Mar 17 13:54:27 <giel> but as i'm going to OLS, they asked me if i could go to that meeting too
Mar 17 13:54:43 <giel> i am doing research for CE-ish stuff
Mar 17 13:55:23 <giel> and, oh yeah, i'm a speaker at OLS :)
Mar 17 13:57:40 <kergoth> i should really submit an abstract to present about OE next year
Mar 17 13:58:12 <giel> yeah, too bad we thought too late of a BoF
Mar 17 13:58:23 <giel> an OE BoF would really have been nice
Mar 17 13:58:56 <giel> well, next year
Mar 17 13:59:01 <kergoth> should do an informal oe gettogether at the very least.  beer is our friend
Mar 17 13:59:05 * kergoth grins
Mar 17 14:00:21 <giel> well, i'm in favour
Mar 17 14:00:43 <dyoung> Beer is Good.
Mar 17 14:01:07 <giel> i take it you're coming to OLS as well kergoth?
Mar 17 14:01:30 <kergoth> most likely.. just quit my job though, so finances are a bit up in the air.  need to decide soon and get registered
Mar 17 14:01:48 <giel> reminds me to poke ppl to get me a flight and hotel reservation
Mar 17 14:01:54 <giel> better early than too late
Mar 17 14:01:58 <kergoth> indeed
Mar 17 14:02:01 <giel> and a rental car
Mar 17 14:02:03 <kergoth> staying at les suites?
Mar 17 14:02:09 <giel> yeah most likely
Mar 17 14:02:17 <kergoth> nice place.
Mar 17 14:03:18 <giel> i hope my talk won't be friday morning
Mar 17 14:04:00 <giel> hey, but why'd you quit TI?
Mar 17 14:04:13 <giel> or is it something you rather not talk about?
Mar 17 14:04:28 <kergoth> bored out of my fucking mind
Mar 17 14:04:35 <kergoth> churning out drivers day after day isnt my cup of tea
Mar 17 14:04:46 <giel> hm yeah
Mar 17 14:04:47 <kergoth> despite the cool hardware, one framebuffer driver is much like another
Mar 17 14:04:50 <kergoth> heh
Mar 17 14:05:00 <giel> you were just a software engineer>
Mar 17 14:05:02 <giel> >=?
Mar 17 14:05:15 <kergoth> yeah.  2.6 kernel dev for ti's OMAP platforms
Mar 17 14:05:20 <kergoth> mostly drivers
Mar 17 14:05:22 <giel> ic
Mar 17 14:05:39 <kergoth> couldve done board bringup, but i usually dont work _that_ close to the hardware
Mar 17 14:05:40 <giel> try to find some nice R&D job, with the emphasis on R
Mar 17 14:05:46 <kergoth> yeah, tahts what i'm leaning towards
Mar 17 14:06:02 <kergoth> for now i'm going back to MN, where i own a townhouse. crash there with my dad for a few months while i try to figure out what i want to do
Mar 17 14:06:12 <giel> if you consider moving to the netherlands, we've got some job openings :)
Mar 17 14:06:19 <kergoth> hehe
Mar 17 14:06:32 <kergoth> erik andersen recommended i talk to nokia over in finland, their r&d folks
Mar 17 14:06:33 <giel> like, at least 20 as far as i can see
Mar 17 14:06:51 <giel> nokia r&d rocks, from what i've heard
Mar 17 14:07:06 <kergoth> they're the guys behind scratchbox
Mar 17 14:07:10 <kergoth> i've talked to their manager about oe some in the past
Mar 17 14:08:10 <giel> too bad we're in this smallish town eindhoven and not in amsterdam
Mar 17 14:08:31 <giel> well, i've lived in amsterdam for 6 or 7 years, and something a little smaller is nice too
Mar 17 14:10:35 <kergoth> i'd consider moving out of the country.  i've never done much traveling, and i'd rather _live_ someplace than travel as a tourist
Mar 17 14:10:44 <kergoth> from MN, so cold doesnt really bother me
Mar 17 14:10:50 <giel> well, seriously, if you consider the netherlands let me know
Mar 17 14:10:55 <kergoth> k
Mar 17 14:11:00 <giel> we're seriously looking for good research ppl
Mar 17 14:11:15 <kergoth> will see in a month or so, going to take a break before I really pursue positions avidly
Mar 17 14:11:23 <giel> wise decision
Mar 17 14:11:31 <giel> anyway, you can let me know at OLS :)
Mar 17 14:11:42 <kergoth> :)
Mar 17 14:15:51 <giel> hey, i forgot, were you the one with a crossfire?
Mar 17 14:19:08 <kergoth> yeah
Mar 17 14:22:48 <giel> got taste, too!
Mar 17 14:22:51 <giel> :)
Mar 17 19:52:12 <kergoth> fyi
Mar 17 19:52:15 <kergoth> http://www.bitkeeper.com/press/2005-03-17.html
Mar 17 19:52:28 <kergoth> "BitMover announces Open Source Client for BitKeeper SCM system"
Mar 17 19:52:30 <kergoth> works, too.
Mar 17 20:59:42 <dyoung> hehe, released under the "NWL" No Whining License.
Mar 17 20:59:48 <kergoth> :)
Mar 17 21:00:05 <kergoth> 21:51 < gb2>  * - not whine about it;
Mar 17 21:00:05 <kergoth> 21:51 < gb2> damn!
Mar 17 21:00:05 <kergoth> 21:51 < gb2> we can't distribute it!
Mar 17 21:00:51 <dyoung> that just cracks me up.  NWL.  hehe
Mar 17 21:01:44 * kergoth may have to adopt that :D
Mar 17 21:01:46 <rpedde> I'm not sure I can use something with a license that restrictive.
Mar 17 21:01:50 <kergoth> hehe
Mar 17 21:03:29 <dyoung> Wow, rpedde is here!
Mar 17 21:03:35 <rpedde> :)
Mar 17 21:03:44 <kergoth> ~emulate brian
Mar 17 21:03:45 <jbot> Hey, Peter, it's seven o'clock and you've still got your pants on. What's the occassion?
Mar 17 21:04:06 <dyoung> rpedde, I added mt-daapd as a OE package some weeks ago, it works with openslug just fine.
Mar 17 21:04:19 <rpedde> Ah, cool...
Mar 17 21:04:37 <rpedde> I was thinking about getting another slug and playing with openslug
Mar 17 21:05:06 <dyoung> Openslug still has a couple of issues; but it more or less works.
Mar 17 21:05:06 <kergoth> http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-raif.html <-looks cool.  based on unionfs
Mar 17 21:05:20 <rpedde> I've been working on on-the-fly transcoding, so I've got about a jillion packages to check in.
Mar 17 21:05:57 <rpedde> I was having some problems with getting sqlite to cross-compile, so I was going to ask for help, but I think I've got it taken care of.
Mar 17 21:06:17 <dyoung> Ah cool!
Mar 17 21:06:20 <kergoth> i dont recall sqlite being all that troublesome
Mar 17 21:06:26 <kergoth> (not compared to many, anyway)
Mar 17 21:06:52 <dyoung> brb food.
Mar 17 21:07:26 <rpedde> Yeah... the only thing was that it uses the host compiler to build some build tools, and it kept trying to use the cross-cc rather than the host-cc.
Mar 17 21:08:04 <rpedde> That, and the configure script just refused to even try and cross-compile, so I took out those checks, and it cross-compiles fine.
Mar 17 21:09:56 <kergoth> ah thats right
Mar 17 21:10:03 <kergoth> our cross patch for that is pretty ugly
Mar 17 21:10:06 <kergoth> blech
Mar 17 21:10:42 <rpedde> is it already in unslung packages?
Mar 17 21:11:37 <kergoth> nah, i'm an oe/openslug guy
Mar 17 21:11:42 <kergoth> so was referring to those patches
Mar 17 21:11:45 <rpedde> gotcha
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