**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 05 23:59:56 2005 Apr 06 02:38:05 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (sources/w3m/configure.patch make/w3m.mk make/libgc.mk): w3m (with ssl, without image) ready for cross testing, depends on libgc Apr 06 02:38:21 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: w3m (with ssl, without image) ready for cross testing, depends on libgc Apr 06 02:40:11 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/streamripper.mk: Initial revision Apr 06 02:42:55 03ingeba * 10unslung/Makefile: Added streamripper as ready for testing Apr 06 03:11:43 is anyone around today? Apr 06 03:15:40 hm Apr 06 03:20:05 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/hnb.mk sources/hnb/Makefile.patch): hnb (hierarchical notebook) ready for cross testing Apr 06 04:55:38 kergoth: ping Apr 06 05:02:10 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/sources/thttpd/Makefile.in.patch: Patching Makefile for non root builders Apr 06 05:02:52 ka6sox-away: pong Apr 06 05:03:36 with the OE core moving to berliOS do you know what the strategy for moving the OE packages away from BK? Apr 06 05:08:13 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (4 files in 3 dirs): pcre.mk and lynx.mk now generating control files Apr 06 05:13:53 jeanfabrice-zzz: ping Apr 06 05:14:02 pTweety: pong Apr 06 05:14:56 I had a look at thttpd.mk and found that you use /opt/www as server root Apr 06 05:15:17 wouldn't it be good to move it to /opt/share/www instead? Apr 06 05:15:29 sure Apr 06 05:16:11 the apache server root is under /opt/share as well Apr 06 05:16:26 maybe just to be consistent ;-) Apr 06 05:17:17 k. no pb. BTW, is it necessary to put the webroot in the package, as it is configurable ? Apr 06 05:18:21 i.e should I put all files produce by a 'make install' in the package or could I choose only needed ones ? Apr 06 05:18:46 hm, imo it's better to prepare the folder. That make live easier for the users Apr 06 05:19:00 but what to put in the packages depends Apr 06 05:19:01 k. Will have a look at it so. Apr 06 05:19:49 ka6sox-away: eh? Apr 06 05:19:54 bitbake has been on svn for quite some time Apr 06 05:19:59 it has _nothing_ to do with what oe uses Apr 06 05:20:05 oe's needs are completely different Apr 06 05:20:45 okay but we are keeping our nslu2 bits at nslu2.bkbits.net Apr 06 05:20:57 ? Apr 06 05:21:19 or has that changed. Apr 06 05:21:53 oe will likely be moving away from bk, because we'll have to. havent you read the news on it? Apr 06 05:22:00 nslu2.bkbits.net is just a branch of oe. Apr 06 05:22:03 I did. Apr 06 05:22:10 that is what I was asking about. Apr 06 05:22:34 read the kerneltrap article today Apr 06 05:22:38 then stop bringing up nslu2.bkbits.net and bitbake. the question is oe. nslu2.bkbits.net will have to follow suit in order to maintain the branch sanely. Apr 06 05:22:39 that is the reason for the question. Apr 06 05:22:47 and bitbake is irrelevent. Apr 06 05:22:57 we'll move to something else when we find something else that doesnt suck ass Apr 06 05:23:07 okay understood. Apr 06 05:25:19 * kergoth is currently attempting to export as much of the oe csets in patch form as possible, to import into another system without losing _all_ our history Apr 06 05:25:50 sounds like a lot of work. Apr 06 05:37:12 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/sources/thttpd/ (Makefile.in.patch thttpd.conf): Update Webroot Apr 06 05:38:07 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/thttpd.mk: Update Webroot Apr 06 05:48:22 Souhl I update ipk version when updating a module for control generation ? Apr 06 05:51:16 should I Apr 06 05:51:42 well I did, but I don't know whether there is a policy asking for it Apr 06 05:52:52 night Apr 06 06:01:57 jeanfabrice, yes update the version when you make changes Apr 06 06:15:25 ka6sox-office: ok, thx Apr 06 06:18:10 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/sources/xvid/control: Control file nw generated Apr 06 06:18:32 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/xvid.mk: Control file nw generated Apr 06 06:38:25 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/xmail.mk sources/xmail/control): Control file now generated Apr 06 06:51:56 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (sources/xemacs/control make/xemacs.mk): Control file now generated Apr 06 07:01:04 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (sources/wxbase/control make/wxbase.mk): Control file now generated Apr 06 07:04:40 jeanfabrice: you've been busy :-) Apr 06 07:06:25 rwhitby: busy... learning vi and avoiding making too much errors Apr 06 07:06:43 like the commit of my Makefile Apr 06 07:07:20 cvs should now have a Makefile ready for wl500g. oups Apr 06 07:07:23 is the only problem there the TARGET setting? Apr 06 07:08:02 I think yes. Can't you restore the previous version ? Apr 06 07:08:28 did you have any other changes (such as wl500g packages) ? Apr 06 07:08:40 probably easier just to change TARGET back and check in another version Apr 06 07:09:23 no. I don't touch this section. Only 'READY_FOR_TESTING' for new packages as I did for thttpd Apr 06 07:10:01 ok, one thing we might do is add a WL500G_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING for that purpose. Apr 06 07:10:22 yes. I was wondering about this Apr 06 07:11:10 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added WL500G_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING and fixed TARGET. Apr 06 07:11:26 and CROSS_PACKAGES confuse me with WL500G_PACKAGES Apr 06 07:11:44 cross packages are for nslu2 Apr 06 07:11:46 but it was done for NSLU at the beginning so... Apr 06 07:11:59 yeah, we'll leave it as is for the moment :-) Apr 06 07:12:57 sure. This is just really strange and sometime confusing for people coming from wl500g world Apr 06 07:13:13 as I don't own a NSLU2 Apr 06 07:14:07 see u later Apr 06 07:14:11 agreed Apr 06 07:14:14 bye Apr 06 07:18:58 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/xvid.mk: Fixed the strip command. Apr 06 07:20:16 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/xvid.mk: We don't usually install the static libraries if we are able to install shared libraries. Apr 06 07:31:27 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/bzip2.mk: Now generates the control file. Apr 06 07:32:32 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/bzip2/control: Now generated Apr 06 07:35:03 jp30-work: jeanfabrice-zzz has been busy generating control files for lots of packages :-) Apr 06 07:35:58 good! i see there are some new packages to be tested today too Apr 06 07:36:21 yeah, our unslung developers just never stop, do they :-) Apr 06 07:44:37 dyoung, are you awake? Apr 06 07:45:00 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added audiofile, bzip2, lynx, xvid to wl500g packages. Apr 06 07:45:53 rwhitby, i'm modifying audiofile and esound a little at the moment, or will be if I can't get hold of dyoung. Apr 06 07:46:28 go for it, he set the maintainer to nslu-linux :-) Apr 06 07:47:41 I am interested in streaming ogg to a slug with a USB audio device... Apr 06 07:48:13 quite so, i just mentioned it because you had just added audiofile to to wl500g packages. hopefully nothing i'm going to do will break it on wl500g. its just changes to prevent esound picking up a host audiofile Apr 06 07:49:36 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (audiofile.mk esound.mk): esound: avoid being confused by host audiofile Apr 06 08:02:00 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/esound.mk: esound: stage esd-config into STAGING/bin Apr 06 08:05:53 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added xmail to wl500g packages. Apr 06 08:26:32 jp30, I purposely leave package ownership to nslu2-linux. Apr 06 08:26:49 so you (or anyone else) can feel free to fix/repair at will. Apr 06 08:28:18 ka6sox-office, do you still have a spare imic around? After jp30 is done cleaning up the mess I made and if you can get your hands on a unslung-image with the usbaudio enabled (pushed last night) you should be able to make it do something. Apr 06 08:28:47 I do Apr 06 08:28:54 and I want to test. Apr 06 08:29:15 I'll make on on the build machine and pull from there. Apr 06 08:29:25 thats one. Apr 06 08:33:22 03dyoung8888 * 10unslung/Makefile: Oops forgot about libao Apr 06 08:57:35 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: demote w3m, promote audiofile esound libao vorbis-tools hnb libgc streamripper Apr 06 09:07:34 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libcurl.mk: set LIBCURL_SECTION to fix control generation Apr 06 09:52:50 jp30-work: could you tell me the w3m problem? i know i should add ncurses-stage, anything else? Apr 06 09:59:25 hi, eno, it's not that you need to stage libgc, it's that you need to convince w3m to find it at configure time. here's what i see on the official build system... Apr 06 09:59:32 checking GC header location... /usr /usr/local /home/jp30 Apr 06 09:59:42 checking /usr/include... checking gc.h usability... no Apr 06 09:59:50 ...etc etc... and then... Apr 06 09:59:56 configure: error: gc.h not found Apr 06 10:01:06 hmm, let me check again. For w3m, i actually did configure twice, once for host, once for target Apr 06 10:02:14 ok, let me see which configure is failing... Apr 06 10:03:24 it's the host configure that is failing... so the problem then is that your host w3m is assuming that libgc is installed on the build host Apr 06 10:03:57 ok, it's really a build-time dependency Apr 06 10:04:08 we don't have a way to specify that Apr 06 10:05:41 yes, that's right. there are some odd build-time deps in unslung packages. why do you need to build a host w3m? Apr 06 10:06:28 not the whole w3m, just an executable called mktable that it uses during the build process Apr 06 10:06:39 i see... looking at the makefile now Apr 06 10:08:38 does the mktable binary actually need libgc? Apr 06 10:09:49 i'm not very sure, i tried to build it directly from all necesary .c files and could not get it to build Apr 06 10:10:27 so i have to use its own Makefile to build a library first Apr 06 10:11:22 i can take a closer look at it by using nm, and let you know Apr 06 10:12:18 sorry i gotta go right now, catch you later Apr 06 10:12:24 maybe it would be a good idea to start by building w3m natively. Apr 06 10:12:31 ...catch you later Apr 06 10:53:34 cheers Apr 06 10:56:42 hi again Apr 06 10:57:07 hi. Apr 06 10:57:43 I have a question re the dyoung port of Luc Saillard's pwc driver. Apr 06 10:58:01 I have compiled/installed/tested it, and have an error to report. Apr 06 10:58:26 Seems I get an insmod error -1: unknown symbol when I insmod pwc.ko Apr 06 10:59:16 I seem to recall the Unslung version requires videodev.o to work, I wonder if the OpenSlug version also requires a videodev module installed? Apr 06 10:59:52 Can anyone lend a clue on that? Apr 06 11:00:44 not me. I don't even know what the pwc package is Apr 06 11:01:05 Ah, it's the Philips webcam. Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 et al. Apr 06 11:01:33 The pwc pkg is the kernel driver for it. I've been trying to run it under OpenSlug. Apr 06 11:02:48 I'm beginning to suspect that I need to compile in some video4linux modules that I don't have in order to get the driver to function. Apr 06 11:05:46 Bye, all... Apr 06 11:10:58 Um... Apr 06 11:11:09 Of course it requires videodev.ko Apr 06 11:11:33 its in the defconfig already too. Apr 06 15:24:41 dyoung: ping Apr 06 15:27:08 Hi Apr 06 15:32:46 I just realised that with the Neuston and the toppy, connected via the nslu2, I can have on-screen file management for the toppy, served up by the slug, and presented by the neuston. Apr 06 15:33:19 Now youre just making me jealous. ;-) Apr 06 15:33:33 I kinda went poking around that openfoo package thats supposed to work. Apr 06 15:35:52 looks like it's just HTTP packages, with some special meta tags, and TVID parameters on the html anchors to determine what the button presses do. Apr 06 15:36:19 one of the packages needs mysql, but can probably be modified to use an SQL package that already runs on the slug Apr 06 15:37:11 s/HTTP pakages/HTTP pages/ Apr 06 15:37:55 reading the forums - the firmware has stopped development, so it's a nice fixed platform with all stuff done on the server side :-) Apr 06 15:38:35 Yeah. Apr 06 15:38:44 I'm gonna have to join your club soon. Apr 06 15:39:31 I'll join it in a couple weeks. Apr 06 15:39:34 I haven't seen anything yet that couldn't be done on the slug (or the wl500g for that matter) Apr 06 15:40:14 just need to think of a good name for the Nueston MC500 (c.f. "slug"). Apr 06 15:40:39 Hmm. Apr 06 15:40:52 Noobie. Apr 06 15:41:19 Neuston Virtuoso MC-500 Apr 06 15:41:32 Virt. Apr 06 15:42:25 NoobieMaster. Apr 06 15:42:34 MasterNoob! Apr 06 15:42:36 sigh Apr 06 15:42:58 virtuoso Apr 06 15:43:03 virt Apr 06 15:43:22 run the osc server on the slug, and display on the virt. Apr 06 15:43:36 connect the virt to the loewe Apr 06 15:43:57 through the toppy Apr 06 15:44:22 ~slug Apr 06 15:44:23 slug is, like, the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See http://www.slug.org.au/ for further details. Slug is also the pet name for the Linksys NSLU2 - see http://www.nslu2-linux.org for further details. Apr 06 15:44:30 ~virt Apr 06 15:45:01 VirtuoSlug Apr 06 15:45:09 VirtuosoSlug Apr 06 15:45:22 NeuSlug Apr 06 15:45:41 the BlueSlug and the NeuSlug Apr 06 15:45:46 yep Apr 06 15:46:28 I'll have to do some benchmarking between the slug and the wl500gx to see which can stream from hard disk the fastest ... Apr 06 15:46:36 what problems am I going to have changing from 3.18 to 4.12? Apr 06 15:46:58 rwhitby-web: I would be interested in that test. Apr 06 15:46:59 where are your packages? Apr 06 15:47:24 there are none currently as the HD is on another Slug. Apr 06 15:47:27 ka6sox-away: I'll be asking dyoung or jacques to help me work out how to perform that test Apr 06 15:47:49 ka6sox-away: no problems then Apr 06 15:47:55 okay Apr 06 15:48:04 morning Apr 06 15:48:08 morning Apr 06 16:35:58 rwhitby-web: call it a skunk - since you got it from Skunkworks. Goes with the animate theme of slug and puppy Apr 06 16:36:40 and the wl500gx can be wooly :) Apr 06 16:37:17 And his petname can be stinky. Apr 06 16:37:36 you guys are on drugs. Apr 06 16:39:03 peteru-home: I reckon the virt can be a good front-end for management of the toppy archive box Apr 06 16:40:23 i.e. pull stuff off the toppy with puppy on the slug, then choose the archive file to display via the TV interface to the server running on the slug. Apr 06 16:40:33 in a way it sounds like an X11 server on speed. Apr 06 16:40:52 I wonder if the mc500 will play toppy .rec files ... Apr 06 16:41:00 so, if you treat it like that, anything is possible Apr 06 16:41:22 they'd have to have a MPEG2-TS demuxer, which should not be that hard. Apr 06 16:41:23 peteru-home: do you have a .rec file to .mp program that will work on the slug? Apr 06 16:41:46 I thought you had one of those ... Apr 06 16:42:39 I do somewhere. Apr 06 16:42:57 is it simple enough to become an Unslung package? Apr 06 16:43:24 it depends on the DVB stuff, but could be packaged up. Apr 06 16:43:27 note that would also be a way to extract the HD stream from a .rec and display it ... :-) Apr 06 16:43:56 it was actually someone else that wrote the code to parse the toppy headers and convert the embedded TS to PS Apr 06 16:44:10 cause the neusty can do HD res I think Apr 06 16:44:37 afaict the chipset will only do MP@ML not MP@HL - so no HD playback. Apr 06 16:45:23 in fact, the review PDF seemed to indicate that it only plays SD video and upscales to 720p/1080i Apr 06 16:46:55 ah, ok, I know little about those kind of things Apr 06 16:50:07 the rule of thumb is that in 2004 there was no affordable HD chipset for embedded devices Apr 06 16:51:01 and you are unlikely to see any in 2005 or until there is a strong DRM regime in place Apr 06 16:51:11 :P Apr 06 16:52:27 as much as the consumers may hate it, the industry has pretty much coluded on slapping us with a very strict content/viewing rights management. Apr 06 16:53:06 everyone wants to make their dollar for every 10 minutes you spend watching your TV. Apr 06 16:53:43 prehaps that is why I shot my TV about 10 yrs ago. Apr 06 16:54:03 57 channels and nothing on :-) Apr 06 16:54:25 or 200 channels and nothing on. Apr 06 16:55:22 ooh - I just realised it runs of 5V too. So if I put a slug next to it they can run off the same wallwart :-) Apr 06 16:55:29 back later Apr 06 16:55:34 way neat Apr 06 17:14:16 03dyoung 07 * r1.3178.1.1 10openembedded/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added basic audio support and bumped the kernel PR Apr 06 17:36:37 can i use something like nsswitch.conf with nslu2? Apr 06 19:09:20 hmm... Anyone know if the serial-kit that works with the wrt54g will work with the nslu2? Apr 06 19:09:43 I've got a spare kit lying around, and a brand spanking new slug Apr 06 19:10:02 is it a 3.3v one or 5v? Apr 06 19:10:04 3.3 Apr 06 19:10:47 I know that the 5v ones do work. Apr 06 19:10:50 hmm... Apr 06 19:11:09 on a nslu2/ Apr 06 19:11:18 ~ubessa Apr 06 19:11:19 i heard ubessa is a Unorthrodox But Effective Super Serial Adapter. It refers to a UBE board using a MAX232 coupled to a 74LVC244 because somebody was too lazy to get a MAX3232. Apr 06 19:11:30 heh Apr 06 19:11:40 but it works! Apr 06 19:11:45 the kit has a max3232c Apr 06 19:11:46 what is the part on your serial adapter? Apr 06 19:11:49 Okay thats fine Apr 06 19:11:53 it'll work if you get the wiring right Apr 06 19:12:00 yeah. Apr 06 19:12:02 brilliant Apr 06 19:12:28 Ok.. Is there anything I should kinda... make a backup of from the slug before I start? :) Apr 06 19:12:50 You know youre gonna be voiding any waranty right? Apr 06 19:12:51 I haven't even switched the thing on yet. Guess I should, to see if it works Apr 06 19:12:56 yeah, so? ;) Apr 06 19:13:08 It was free. As in beer. Apr 06 19:13:11 Yeah, that was my point, make sure it works before you bust it open and start soldering stuff to it! Apr 06 19:13:23 nite all! Apr 06 19:13:31 nitey Apr 06 19:13:56 (unlike me and my mac mini....) Apr 06 19:14:02 heh Apr 06 19:15:27 according to the packaging slip, the weight of the slug was 1900kg Apr 06 19:15:49 I have somewhat of a hard time believing that Apr 06 19:16:08 seems like too much soldering used inside :) Apr 06 19:16:28 a tad :P Apr 06 19:20:28 hrmm Apr 06 19:20:35 I can't find the slug :( Apr 06 19:21:38 its a small device :) Apr 06 19:23:31 which packages i have to install if i want to use samba3, i used ipkg install samba but it seems that i need some codepage conversion packages Apr 06 19:23:45 [2005/04/07 11:22:49, 0] source/lib/charcnv.c:init_iconv(150) Apr 06 19:23:45 init_iconv: Conversion from ISO8859-15 to UTF8 not supported Apr 06 19:27:37 argh Apr 06 19:28:12 the slug is ofcourse at 192.168.1.77, but it's connected to the 192.168.0. part of my network :( Apr 06 19:48:43 hmm, still the problem with iconv, i installed gconv_modules meanwhile but no change Apr 06 19:48:52 anybody here is using samba3? Apr 06 19:55:26 not yet ;) Apr 06 23:47:29 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/w3m.mk: added ncurses-stage; native build without extra configure & mktable build; cross compilation needs boem gc as build time dependency **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 06 23:59:56 2005