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Apr 13 00:00:00 <ka6sox-away> bringing them back will help us all :)
Apr 13 00:00:14 <rpedde> Yup, me included.  win-win.
Apr 13 00:00:26 <rpedde> still need to package alac
Apr 13 00:00:51 <ka6sox-away> what blog software are you using....its very clean.
Apr 13 00:01:07 <rpedde> wordpress... it's much better than it used to be.
Apr 13 00:01:46 <rpedde> and I'm lazy and the install was quick.  :)  Plus works from my phone, as you probably saw.
Apr 13 00:01:54 <ka6sox-away> yeah.
Apr 13 00:02:23 <ka6sox-away> I'm sure we will have fun getting this working on the wl-hdd...
Apr 13 00:03:31 <rpedde> Yeah, I'm pretty excited about the idea -- a portable wireless hard drive.  How crazy.  I can think of a dozen cool things to do with it.
Apr 13 00:03:44 <ka6sox-away> me too.
Apr 13 00:03:53 <ka6sox-away> nice that Oleg has it going.
Apr 13 00:05:52 <CIA-9> 03rpedde * 10unslung/Makefile: add sqlite2 libvorbisidec and ivorbis-tools to READY_TO_BE_TESTED
Apr 13 00:06:38 <ka6sox-away> :)
Apr 13 00:07:25 <rpedde> woohoo.  :)
Apr 13 00:09:29 <ka6sox-away> you know that we also have wl500g package makefiles here too.
Apr 13 00:09:41 <ka6sox-away> (same code as the wl-hdd)
Apr 13 00:10:07 <rpedde> I saw the different targets in the makefile
Apr 13 00:10:22 <rpedde> in the toplevel makefile.  wl500g is the new linksys wireless router?
Apr 13 00:10:35 <ka6sox-away> ASUS
Apr 13 00:10:45 <ka6sox-away> same strain as the wl-hdd
Apr 13 00:10:59 <ka6sox-away> without the MII and USB2
Apr 13 00:11:15 <ka6sox-away> but with the Promise IDE interface
Apr 13 00:11:19 <rpedde> ah yeah, that's the page you sent before
Apr 13 00:12:04 <ka6sox-away> this thing could be a wireless router/HDD...
Apr 13 00:12:31 <ka6sox-away> I think that trying for email might be a little bit much.
Apr 13 00:14:49 <rpedde> probably, but dhcp server/lan party to go.  Or music server to go.  Or samba file server to go.  Or any number of things.
Apr 13 00:16:43 <ka6sox-away> enuf for fun things.
Apr 13 00:17:05 <ka6sox-away> I can see it now...UT server to go.
Apr 13 00:17:22 <rpedde> Well... so long as you don't mind some *serious* lag
Apr 13 00:17:46 <ka6sox-away> we play wireless with a AP all the time.
Apr 13 00:17:47 <rpedde> q3 source will be coming out soon -- I can see a q3 dedicated server in the making.  :)
Apr 13 00:17:57 <ka6sox-away> there ya go.
Apr 13 00:21:25 <jbowler> ka6sox-away: I've just put up http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MountFATFileSystems (which, I hope, is self explanatory) - can you link into HowTo?
Apr 13 00:21:53 <ka6sox-away> jbowler: I'll do it now.
Apr 13 00:22:17 <jbowler> Many thanks - now to push the code change so it isn't lying about OpenSlug ;-)
Apr 13 00:24:37 <ka6sox-away> try it out...its at the bottom of "other"
Apr 13 00:25:11 <ka6sox-away> hmmm...not saving yet
Apr 13 00:25:54 <ka6sox-away> okay its there now.
Apr 13 00:26:16 <ka6sox-away> looks good thanks!
Apr 13 00:26:52 <jbowler> yep; likewise
Apr 13 00:28:01 <ka6sox-away> time for bed...nite all
Apr 13 00:28:19 <rpedde> gnite
Apr 13 00:28:24 <jbowler> good night
Apr 13 00:28:38 <ka6sox-zzzz> thanks both of you.
Apr 13 00:29:01 <ka6sox-zzzz> soon a wireless player for under $200.
Apr 13 00:29:13 <rpedde> lol
Apr 13 01:07:09 <CIA-9> 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (sources/alac-decoder/makefile.patch make/alac-decoder.mk): initial checkin of alac-decoder, a decoder for the Apple Lossless codec
Apr 13 01:08:06 <CIA-9> 03rpedde * 10unslung/Makefile: add alac-decoder to READY_FOR_TESTING
Apr 13 01:08:44 <rpedde> that's it for me.  g'nite.
Apr 13 04:55:55 <rwhitby> any comments on the webservers email?
Apr 13 08:30:34 <puny> anyone familiar with the way the flash memory is laid out in this thing?  like what memory addresses store what where?
Apr 13 08:30:51 <rwhitby> it's on the wiki.
Apr 13 08:30:57 * puny runs to check
Apr 13 08:31:10 <rwhitby> Info/MemoryMap (or something like that)
Apr 13 08:31:26 <puny> thanks I'll go check
Apr 13 08:31:30 <puny> I bricked my stupid slug
Apr 13 08:31:48 <puny> and now when I try to do the recovery procedure, it takes half the tftp file or http file then craps out
Apr 13 08:31:57 <puny> (not exactly half, but aborts prematurely)
Apr 13 08:43:01 <rwhitby> Latest photos of Slug Central are up: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central
Apr 13 08:48:46 <puny> nice shutle
Apr 13 08:49:25 <puny> you doing anything with the PAP2?
Apr 13 08:49:45 <rwhitby> not mine.  I don't own that site.
Apr 13 08:50:09 <rwhitby> The shuttle is the nslu2-linux build machine that the donations bought.  I forget who owns the PAP2.  Probably dyoung.
Apr 13 08:50:36 <puny> I was just curious cause I use one at my house
Apr 13 08:54:10 <rwhitby> night all
Apr 13 08:56:22 <jbowler> does anyone know the status of bkbits.net (it was down 8+ hours ago, still seems to be down now?)
Apr 13 08:56:49 <rwhitby-asleep> Maybe McVoy pulled the plug early ....
Apr 13 08:57:31 <jbowler> Eh, well, I was being optimistic here - hoping for a service outage, not McVoy annoyance or hacker attacks...
Apr 13 08:58:03 <jbowler> Alas whatever it is is makes some sort of point :-(
Apr 13 09:00:57 <rwhitby-asleep> we have an hourly sync of it on our official build machine, so we won't have lost anything even if it doesn't come up again.
Apr 13 09:11:28 <jbowler> The database can be recovered completely - it's trivial, just bk parent -r the build machine, put the database somewhere accessible and everyone bk parents their own repo to the new location.
Apr 13 09:20:35 <CIA-9> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mzscheme ready for native testing
Apr 13 09:33:11 <[g2]-away> jbowler, great patch for the mod-utils endian issue
Apr 13 09:33:34 <[g2]-away> that was on my long-term list of things to do
Apr 13 09:34:48 <jbowler> I started to write a whole set of stuff to allow defconfig alterations and get all the required kernel-modules in the build ;-)
Apr 13 09:35:13 <jbowler> Then I realised kergoth had done it already (the dependencies) but it was broken...
Apr 13 09:35:46 <jbowler> Then I realised depmod was very broken.  Hum, I need to email the patch to the maintainer.
Apr 13 09:36:11 <[g2]> good idea
Apr 13 09:36:27 <[g2]> speaking of emailing the patch maintainers
Apr 13 09:36:32 <jbowler> BTW: I only fixed depmod - modinfo was already fixed, not sure about the others.
Apr 13 09:37:00 <[g2]> do you frequent #uclibc much or follow the mailing list ?
Apr 13 09:37:29 <jbowler> No - I didn't know where it was (hadn't searched for it)
Apr 13 09:37:58 <jbowler> The stat64 problem is a uclibc break - it has a kernel stat.h which does not match kernel, glibc or libc-linux-headers on ARMBE
Apr 13 09:38:27 <jbowler> Curious thing is that we seem to have at least three copies of the kernel headers which must all match.  gack.
Apr 13 09:38:47 <[g2]> that's exactly the kinda thing that you should check the mailing list for/ submit a patch / ask in the irc channel
Apr 13 09:39:29 <[g2]> kergoth works closely with the uclibc guys
Apr 13 09:39:57 <[g2]> but there are a tons of arch / kernel / cross issues always coming up
Apr 13 09:40:56 <[g2]> http://www.uclibc.org/ is the web page and the ml is off there it's searchable and #uclibc on freenode is the channel
Apr 13 09:41:28 <[g2]> andersee, mjn3, and others are in the channel that are the real maintainer of uclibc
Apr 13 09:41:43 <[g2]> they are especially nice to deal with
Apr 13 09:43:46 <jbowler> Yes, it's on my mental to-do list - though uclibc itself only has this one major problem (for nslu2) - openslug-packages builds with uclibc up to php (fails on a symbol not found)
Apr 13 09:43:55 <jbowler> Oh, and the result boots fine!
Apr 13 09:44:15 <[g2]> cool
Apr 13 09:44:38 <[g2]> are depmods still generated on the box or does that save some time on the boot ?
Apr 13 09:46:23 <jbowler> In a current openslug build rootfs/lib/modules/2.6.11.2/modules.dep seems correct (check it out - everything looks good to me)
Apr 13 09:46:53 <[g2]> I plan on it. Right now I'm testing the APEX boot loader and native compiles
Apr 13 09:47:46 <[g2]> I've built python, most of perl, zope3, apache 2.x, php5, and the openslug kernel less the IPX stuff which soon
Apr 13 09:49:17 <jbowler> Can APEX boot a kernel from flash (i.e. like lilo/grub loading from the rootfs?)
Apr 13 09:50:14 <[g2]> Right now I was looking for the docs on accessing an ext2 fs
Apr 13 09:50:35 <[g2]> to load the kernel straight out of an ext2 fs
Apr 13 09:51:10 <[g2]> the support was coded up by beewoolie it just needs to be tested and verified
Apr 13 09:51:28 <[g2]> and then we should teach APEX about jffs2 support
Apr 13 09:52:30 <[g2]> but I don't think having a 1.x MB ext2 /boot partition with the kernel in it is such a bad thing to start with
Apr 13 09:54:01 <jbowler> That's fine if it is on a disk - its a lowest common denominator format so means the boot partition can be fixed up on another machine easily
Apr 13 09:54:56 <jbowler> There's quite a lot of overhead in ext2 because the whole fs (including unoccupied bits) takes space, compression helps some but not a lot
Apr 13 09:55:45 <jbowler> I was considering trying to boot directly into jffs2 (not in openslug - on a branch), then removing ext2 and ext3 support from the kernel - into modules.
Apr 13 09:57:12 <jbowler> I'm probably going to try moving to 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 and I anticipate running into problems with the 1MByte RedBoot limit on compressed kernel size ;-)
Apr 13 09:57:57 <[g2]> APEX can boot directly to jffs2 but uses a kernel partition right now
Apr 13 09:58:10 <[g2]> and with APEX you could resize that partition
Apr 13 09:59:59 <[g2]> I'd load the second Redboot block and linksys conf partiton and then you could go to a 1.25MB kernel 
Apr 13 10:00:08 <[g2]> s/load/lose/
Apr 13 10:00:51 <[g2]> also you're probably not using switchbox, so that could all be converted to jffs2
Apr 13 10:01:03 <jbowler> How is the RedBoot partition split?  I wasn't aware of that - I just thought it was one 8 block sequence.
Apr 13 10:01:46 <jbowler> switchbox: yes, those two blocks (one block in my current branch builds) just become jffs2 along with the rest of the 53.
Apr 13 10:01:51 <[g2]> The flash is an 8MB flash which is 64 128KB erase blocks
Apr 13 10:02:26 <[g2]> Redboot is the first 2 blocks or 256K
Apr 13 10:02:51 <[g2]> The linksys sysconf partition follow at 1 block
Apr 13 10:03:07 <[g2]> Then 8 blocks for the kernel
Apr 13 10:03:44 <[g2]> and the reset for what is the ext2 partition that gets loaded as the ramdisk in the Linksys firmware 
Apr 13 10:04:07 <[g2]> Unslung uses the first part for switchbox, because .....
Apr 13 10:04:39 <[g2]> the Redboot version by linksys checks the kernel length in the first 16 bytes of that block
Apr 13 10:05:04 <[g2]> since the first 16 bytes are "wasted" by the Redboot bootloader, the block cannot be a jffs2 block
Apr 13 10:06:25 <[g2]> when changing bootloaders either a different hack of the Redboot loader or APEX, then all the upslug stuff and other bogus stuff can go out the window for ppl willing to reflash the bootloader
Apr 13 10:07:10 <[g2]> so to continue on... The last block is used to hold some information and that's where the Redboot FIS table is tucked away
Apr 13 10:07:34 <[g2]> along with the compressed ixp modules for Unslung 
Apr 13 10:08:13 <[g2]> My plans for APEX are 1 block for APEX
Apr 13 10:08:31 <[g2]> and then 1 or 2 jffs2 partitions that include the kernel in the fs
Apr 13 10:08:42 <[g2]> in the rootfs, like we currently build
Apr 13 10:08:59 <[g2]> APEX will default using on of them, but have a fall back to the other
Apr 13 10:09:18 <[g2]> or get there by holding the reset button, etc ....
Apr 13 10:10:28 <jbowler> Sounds good
Apr 13 10:11:02 <[g2]> the only thing missing right now is a little more testing on APEX and teaching APEX about jffs2
Apr 13 10:11:53 <[g2]> however I was going to test ext2 first because it's already coded and a good place to start
Apr 13 10:12:14 <[g2]> also I'd like to teach APEX about pci and usb
Apr 13 10:12:39 <[g2]> then, the kernel could be pulled directly from an external disk / flash stick
Apr 13 10:13:18 <[g2]> and a usb-serial adapter could become the APEX console, making the box a solderless hack
Apr 13 10:15:38 <jbowler> Or use netcat/netconsole, though to work properly that means building the eth drivers into the kernel (and APEX)
Apr 13 10:17:36 <[g2]> netconsole already runs with the kernels
Apr 13 10:18:21 <jbowler> The last build I tried the ixp425_eth driver did not have the correct capabilities for netconsole to use it (but I haven't tried it for a couple of weeks)
Apr 13 10:18:34 <[g2]> the kernel modules *CANNOT* be built with regard to the Intel License
Apr 13 10:18:49 <[g2]> so they have to be loaded from a ramdisk or something like that
Apr 13 10:19:57 <[g2]> I've been wanting to try initramfs (I think that's what it's called) where there's a ramdisk appended to the kernel 
Apr 13 10:20:25 <[g2]> that would solve the issue and be transparent to APEX
Apr 13 10:21:21 <[g2]> so just make a 1.5MB or 1.75MB kernel parition that has a initramfs on the end of it and it loads probably after uncompressing the intel modules
Apr 13 10:21:25 <jbowler> That is what switchbox is - I load the eth drivers in my switchbox version.
Apr 13 10:21:40 <[g2]> nod.
Apr 13 10:22:21 <jbowler> I tried using the newer cpio archive in place of ext2, but it failed to boot - presumably because of the 16 bytes at the head of the Ramdisk (/dev/mtd3) partition?
Apr 13 10:23:43 <[g2]> I don't remember of there's one there or not. I don't think so, but there might be
Apr 13 10:23:51 <[g2]> I'd have to double check that
Apr 13 10:24:41 <jbowler> My misunderstanding - you said something about the kernel length being at the start of one of the partitions (I thought Ramdisk)
Apr 13 10:25:10 <jbowler> I see a 16 byte header starting 0x03049B (then zeros).
Apr 13 10:25:20 <[g2]> nod, actually it's both
Apr 13 10:25:25 <[g2]> the kernel and the ramdisk
Apr 13 10:25:38 <[g2]> this a 4 byte lenght
Apr 13 10:25:51 <[g2]> and 12 bytes of zeros
Apr 13 10:26:15 <jbowler> Ok, that fits - 3409B is the length of the switchbox ext2.gz
Apr 13 10:26:24 <[g2]> nod
Apr 13 10:26:44 <[g2]> I think it's the length + 16
Apr 13 10:26:51 <[g2]> or 0x10
Apr 13 10:27:28 <[g2]> I know in the kern_header function I think I added the extra 16 to the length
Apr 13 10:27:44 <[g2]> and double checked that the entire thing didn't go over 1M
Apr 13 10:27:51 <[g2]> 1M bytes
Apr 13 10:29:25 <jbowler> Right: the actual switchbox.ext2.gz is 213147 (3409B) and it starts 16 bytes into /proc/mtd3, so the total length of valid bytes in the segment is 340AB
Apr 13 10:32:44 <jbowler> netconsole reports (in the syslog): netconsole: eth0 doesn't support polling, aborting.
Apr 13 10:33:08 <jbowler> I believe there's a patch on the wiki relating to this.
Apr 13 10:33:44 <[g2]> ahh... Openslug have been running interrupt driven for 2 months or something like that
Apr 13 10:38:15 <jbowler> netconsole: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/EnableNetconsole
Apr 13 10:41:58 * jbowler is away: eating
Apr 13 12:34:55 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote thttpdphp tin sqlite2 libvorbisidec ivorbis-tools alac-decoder
Apr 13 12:37:25 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: remove missing backslash
Apr 13 13:55:01 <giel> ~ugt
Apr 13 13:55:03 <jbot> extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
Apr 13 13:55:47 <Tiersten> Hey
Apr 13 13:56:13 <giel> uh yeah
Apr 13 13:56:18 <giel> just needed the definition :)
Apr 13 13:58:38 <Tiersten> huh?
Apr 13 13:59:39 <giel> i needed the definition of ugy
Apr 13 13:59:41 <giel> ugt*
Apr 13 14:15:08 <cardfumbler> There seems to be more than one way to implement nfs on the slug (ufs3, nfs-utils, nfs-server and a hint at a kernel-space NFS V3 driver on the wiki). Is one solution generally used over others?
Apr 13 14:36:02 <caplink811> good evening all, 1st i know the #nslu2-general, but this room is quite tonight, so i have a little problem with an user from the german community. we've tried to setup his slug for standard purpose,
Apr 13 14:36:53 <caplink811> wanna changed root pw to a well known, by copy /etc/passwd to /share/hdd/conf/passwd ;-) after unlsing
Apr 13 14:37:45 <caplink811> but after do that, admin with pw admin want not work :-(
Apr 13 14:38:37 <caplink811> now changed admins pw, and verified that with telnet login, anything is fine, but in webinterface the new pw also doesn't work..
Apr 13 14:38:59 <caplink811> anybody with any ideas is welcome
Apr 13 15:01:14 <CIA-9> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Added Chillispot package
Apr 13 15:31:19 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-away: ping
Apr 13 15:31:53 <rwhitby-away> pong
Apr 13 15:31:57 <jeanfabrice> hi Rod
Apr 13 15:32:04 <rwhitby-away> howdy
Apr 13 15:32:11 <rwhitby-away> everything going well?
Apr 13 15:32:15 <jeanfabrice> hummm
Apr 13 15:32:18 <jeanfabrice> well..;
Apr 13 15:32:31 <jeanfabrice> say, I'm in trouble on nudi
Apr 13 15:35:51 <ka6sox-office> uh oh...I'm physically there now...so I can help jeanfabrice 
Apr 13 15:38:04 <jeanfabrice> ka6sox-office : hi
Apr 13 15:38:31 <ka6sox-office> hi there.
Apr 13 15:38:39 <rwhitby-away> ka6sox-office: no problem - jeanfabrice didn't realise that as build manager he has the rights to add packages directly to the main packages var instead of adding to ready for testing :-)
Apr 13 15:39:09 <ka6sox-office> okay cool.
Apr 13 15:39:38 <ka6sox-office> ah...the rights and responsibilites...
Apr 13 15:40:48 <CIA-9> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Move chillispot in the right section
Apr 13 15:41:18 <rwhitby-away> jeanfabrice: we usually call that "Promoted chillispot for wl500g"
Apr 13 15:42:01 <jeanfabrice> ok. noted
Apr 13 15:42:52 <rwhitby-away> and if you need to ever move a package out (cause it no longer builds), we call that "demotion" :-)
Apr 13 15:43:57 <jeanfabrice> will need a paper to write all that things
Apr 13 15:45:42 <ka6sox-office> I need a sheet to remember all of it too!
Apr 13 15:46:23 <jeanfabrice> well, chillisoft finally builds.
Apr 13 15:47:01 <jeanfabrice> but it needs tun module... cannot set it in depends as it doesn't exist in unslung...
Apr 13 15:47:49 <rwhitby-away> kernel module?
Apr 13 15:47:52 <jeanfabrice> yep
Apr 13 15:47:53 <rwhitby-away> or another package?
Apr 13 15:48:16 <jeanfabrice> kernel module. could build it from asus GPL
Apr 13 15:48:36 <rwhitby-away> we will enable it in Unslung nslu2 firmware.
Apr 13 15:48:49 <rwhitby-away> does it exist in Oleg's firmware as a module?
Apr 13 15:49:29 <jeanfabrice> No. I read a thread where Olegs said that it will maybe be in the next firmware
Apr 13 15:49:40 <rwhitby-away> (Oleg really needs a catchy name for his firmware)
Apr 13 15:50:03 <rwhitby-away> the way we do modules for unslung is that we have a separate feed for them, and that feed is updated when the base firmware is built.
Apr 13 15:50:52 <jeanfabrice> how do ppl get'em ?
Apr 13 15:51:09 <rwhitby-away> ipkg install
Apr 13 15:51:32 <rwhitby-away> Hmmm - that might be a problem for wl500g, cause /lib is not writeable.
Apr 13 15:51:52 <rwhitby-away> ah, but that's ok, the ipkgs for wl500g can just install them somewhere else
Apr 13 15:51:57 <jeanfabrice> have installed my compiled module in /opt/drivers
Apr 13 15:52:06 <jeanfabrice> and it loads
Apr 13 15:53:05 <jeanfabrice> well no... it load with the path :(
Apr 13 15:54:41 <jeanfabrice> humm chillispot install is strange. It segfault the first time I run the ipkg install then install the second time
Apr 13 15:57:32 <rwhitby-away> jeanfabrice: are you able to talk to jp30 and work out how to have a single php package that works with both thttpd and apache?
Apr 13 15:57:50 <rwhitby-away> jp30-work: did you see the webservers email on the list?
Apr 13 15:58:02 <jeanfabrice> No, I wasn't. 
Apr 13 15:59:41 <jeanfabrice> sorry : I did not speak to him yet. Can work on it, yes.
Apr 13 15:59:53 <rwhitby-away> jeanfabrice: read this message (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/5598) and the replies.
Apr 13 16:00:13 <rwhitby-away> I think you and Josh are the two people most likely to make it happen :-)
Apr 13 16:00:59 <rwhitby-away> and work with Styno to make the result work for webtools too :-)
Apr 13 16:03:41 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: bumped the openslug version to set a new baseline for testing
Apr 13 16:04:08 <jeanfabrice> ok. I don't know if apache runs on a wl500g. Styno has installed thttpdphp on his box and runs wt successfully, in /opt/share/www
Apr 13 16:04:36 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3208 10openembedded/conf/distro/openslug.conf: Bumped OpenSlug version
Apr 13 16:04:57 <rwhitby-away> jeanfabrice: we don't need to get apache running on wl500g necessarily.  just split thttpdphp and possibly modify php so that we don't have two php's :-)
Apr 13 16:05:06 <jeanfabrice> yep
Apr 13 16:06:06 <jeanfabrice> have you check my thttpdphp.mk ? it builds php as thttpd needs it but it decompress thttpd before as php needs its source too... 
Apr 13 16:06:56 <jeanfabrice> don't know how to solve this, with the actual .mk architecture.
Apr 13 16:07:32 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, cool
Apr 13 16:07:43 <rwhitby-away> jf: ok, will look at it later today 
Apr 13 16:07:57 <jeanfabrice> have to leave. see u later
Apr 13 16:08:12 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: I'm going to flash this version on AccessSlug and leave it unchanged for a long time probably.
Apr 13 16:08:28 <rwhitby-away> (cause AccessSlug is meant to the be dont-touch-it slug)
Apr 13 16:11:07 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, cool.
Apr 13 16:11:40 * rwhitby-away wonders whether [g2] is an eliza program - he seems to be stuck in a verbal loop :-)
Apr 13 16:12:39 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, wank-off :)
Apr 13 16:13:08 <[g2]> I'm trying to mount ext2 fs from APEX
Apr 13 16:13:32 <[g2]> I'm working with beewoolie but was trying to ack you comments to me :)
Apr 13 16:15:18 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: just kidding.  APEX seems to be progressing well ...
Apr 13 16:17:49 <[g2]> I know you were just kidding, I was kidding back :)
Apr 13 16:22:26 <jp30-work> are the packagers of mzscheme, w3m, or byRequest in da house?
Apr 13 16:25:40 <jp30-work> rwhitby, i saw the webservers email. i'm having a look at decoupling php and apache now
Apr 13 16:37:23 <rwhitby-away> jp30-work: excellent - I know that you and jeanfabrice will be able to sort it out.
Apr 13 16:44:16 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: demote w3m, mzscheme
Apr 13 16:47:07 <rwhitby-away> back later
Apr 13 16:49:01 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/template-cvs.mk: first attempt at a template for packages whose upstream is a cvs repo
Apr 13 18:01:28 <CIA-9> 03djf * 10unslung/make/flac.mk: changed sf dl site from aleron to dl.sf.net
Apr 13 18:02:21 <CIA-9> 03djf * 10unslung/make/e2fsprogs.mk: changed sf dl site from aleron to dl.sf.net
Apr 13 18:03:07 <CIA-9> 03djf * 10unslung/make/zlib.mk: changed sf dl site from aleron to dl.sf.net
Apr 13 18:03:55 <CIA-9> 03djf * 10unslung/make/nfs-utils.mk: changed sf dl site from aleron to dl.sf.net
Apr 13 18:05:43 <CIA-9> 03djf * 10unslung/make/dump.mk: changed sf dl site from aleron to dl.sf.net
Apr 13 19:19:21 <eno> jp30-work: ping
Apr 13 19:21:50 <jp30-work> pong
Apr 13 19:22:37 <eno> were you using w3m.mk -r1.3?
Apr 13 19:23:12 <jp30-work> let me check...
Apr 13 19:23:13 <eno> i thought i fixed the problem of native build dependency on libgc
Apr 13 19:24:22 <jp30-work> i'll try a cvs update and clean build of w3m on the official build machine now...
Apr 13 19:24:52 <eno> alright, please do so for mzscheme as well
Apr 13 19:28:30 <jp30-work> i'm having trouble reaching the official build slug at the moment, i'll try on my own dev slug... just a minute...
Apr 13 19:29:38 <eno> sure
Apr 13 19:30:00 <eno> both packages take quite some time to build
Apr 13 19:30:26 <eno> for mzscheme, even distcc does not help
Apr 13 19:32:31 <jp30-work> w3m died at the configure stage, so that should be quick to check. devslug is building libgc now
Apr 13 19:35:11 <jp30-work> ...looks like there is a network outage between me and the official build systems.
Apr 13 19:35:32 <eno> is the official build system hosted at sf.net?
Apr 13 19:36:22 <jacques> hmm I also seem to be having problems reaching the official build machines
Apr 13 19:36:51 <jp30-work> eno, it's on a private network in LA i believe
Apr 13 19:38:15 <eno> i just wish there's a build machine with the same arch but more powerful CPU and more RAM
Apr 13 19:39:38 <jp30-work> well, that's what cross-compilation is for. and i think you tried hard to get w3m to cross-compile
Apr 13 19:40:15 <jp30-work> ...i think libgc would build faster if you used the --disable-static opt to configure
Apr 13 19:40:17 <eno> it kinda worked as long as there's libgc installed
Apr 13 19:40:49 <eno> ok, i'll change it
Apr 13 19:42:20 <jp30-work> --disable-static compiling libtool-based libs on an ELF-based arch. ELF shared objects are so well supported you'll hardly ever need a static lib
Apr 13 19:42:39 <jp30-work> oop, i meant to say "it's almost always good to..."
Apr 13 19:44:13 <eno> actually i don't think the python package build .so either
Apr 13 19:44:31 <eno> i may need to change there too
Apr 13 19:45:43 <jacques> i do love the movie "Brazil"
Apr 13 19:46:36 <jp30-work> eno, not sure i understand what you're saying about python. --disable-static isn't required to build .so, it just prevents libtool/automake pkgs from building *both* .a and .so libs
Apr 13 19:46:39 <eno> ok, just to be sure, i did 'ipkg remove w3m libgc' and a clean native build of w3m succeeded
Apr 13 19:47:39 <jp30-work> good, looks like w3m configured ok for me too. i probably just need to make libgc-dirclean on the official build slug.
Apr 13 19:47:48 <jp30-work> sorry about that
Apr 13 19:48:28 <eno> i was comparing python.deb with my python.ipk and seems debian builds /usr/lib/python/libpython.so but the python.ipk build does not have that
Apr 13 19:48:45 <eno> np
Apr 13 19:49:02 <jp30-work> ah, i see.
Apr 13 19:50:28 <jp30-work> well, i'll promote w3m when i can get into the official slug and check it there. i can email you the error logs from mzscheme too (again when i am able to reach the official build systems)
Apr 13 19:51:24 <eno> alright, thanks
Apr 13 20:02:20 <CIA-9> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/libgc.mk: disable-static
Apr 13 21:08:21 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: demote libao
Apr 13 22:02:03 <ka6sox-away> hi rpedde
Apr 13 22:02:21 <rpedde> greets.  any luck?
Apr 13 22:05:30 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/php-apache.mk make/php.mk sources/php/php.ini): seperate php core from apache support
Apr 13 22:13:09 <jp30> well, we now have the ability to build php and php modules without depending on apache
Apr 13 22:28:55 <ka6sox-away> Hi Rwhitby-web....power and network problems tonight....lots of wind here.
Apr 13 22:29:07 <ka6sox-away> so I'm headed back to the office to figure out what is happening.
Apr 13 22:29:48 * ka6sox-away wonders if its possible to double the ram in the WL-HDD.
Apr 13 22:33:35 <rwhitby-web> I just opened up a Linksys WAG54Gv2 (ADSL2/2  Wireless Router).
Apr 13 22:33:47 <rwhitby-web> It had a spare RAM spot :-)
Apr 13 22:34:01 <ka6sox-away> I noticed you said *had*
Apr 13 22:34:08 <ka6sox-away> does this mean you filled it?
Apr 13 22:34:18 <ka6sox-away> or do I need to send  you more ram?
Apr 13 22:34:21 <rwhitby-web> No, it still has a spare slot.
Apr 13 22:34:31 <ka6sox-away> I *have* ram
Apr 13 22:34:47 <rwhitby-web> You never did send me any RAM - the Commerce Department got that batch, remember?
Apr 13 22:35:00 <ka6sox-away> since then I've learned how to do it.
Apr 13 22:35:06 <rwhitby-web> I don't think I'll ever bother doing a FatSlug.
Apr 13 22:35:26 <ka6sox-away> actually I think I will but using 32MB chips
Apr 13 22:35:34 <rwhitby-web> (Now that I have 3 slugs running ....)
Apr 13 22:35:46 <ka6sox-away> I wonder if the WL-HDD can take a 32MB chip.
Apr 13 22:35:55 <ka6sox-away> :-)
Apr 13 22:36:19 <rwhitby-web> The WAG54G had all the usual header spots for Serial and JTAG, but it had a TI chip, and I'm not going to start yet another kernel build configuration .....
Apr 13 22:36:41 <ka6sox-away> good plan
Apr 13 22:36:44 <rwhitby-web> Looks like jp30 did the php thing.  Neat :-)
Apr 13 22:36:51 <ka6sox-away> ~emulate ka6sox
Apr 13 22:37:00 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-away: you saw the internal photos of the WL-HDD, right?
Apr 13 22:37:05 <ka6sox-away> yeah.
Apr 13 22:37:16 <ka6sox-away> it has a single chip
Apr 13 22:37:17 <rwhitby-web> did that shed any light on the RAM situation?
Apr 13 22:37:40 <ka6sox-away> when mine arrives I want to make sure that *all* the memory lines are hooked up.
Apr 13 22:37:56 <rwhitby-web> :-)
Apr 13 22:38:04 <rwhitby-web> do you need more in it for the audio decoding?
Apr 13 22:40:09 <ka6sox-away> I think so...by the time I get web/ssh/ogg-vorbis stuffs I'm a little concerned.
Apr 13 22:41:27 <rwhitby-web> jbowler: I must congratulate you on your wiki HowTo pages.  They are a model for others (including myself) to aspire to.
Apr 13 22:42:21 <jbowler> Thanks - my standard problem though is that I write too much...  People get bored half way through!
Apr 13 22:42:35 <ka6sox-away> I certianly was not bored.
Apr 13 22:43:16 <jbowler> What's the approach to bumping the openslug distro version number?  Should I have incremented it?
Apr 13 22:44:02 <rwhitby-web> nah - leave it for [g2] or I to bump.
Apr 13 22:44:15 <rwhitby-web> it's ad-hoc at the moment.
Apr 13 22:45:38 <rwhitby-web> Do we need to update the Unslung defconfig to build the same kernel codepage modules and push them to the unslung oe feed?
Apr 13 22:46:21 <rwhitby-web> Seemed to me that if we have the right kernel modules in the feed, then your FAT HowTo would work for either OpenSlug or Unslung.
Apr 13 22:48:45 <jbowler> I'm looking at the defconfig but I don't understand it - there is none of the default iocharset stuff.  Odd.
Apr 13 22:50:30 <rwhitby-web> If you see a way to do it, feel free to enable those modules.
Apr 13 22:52:06 <jbowler> It must be a good thing to add the modules - because that allows more language (the only support at present is iso8859-1 - western european)
Apr 13 22:54:39 <jbowler> The linux Documentation/filesystems/vfat.txt has changed very slightly - codepage 437 is defaulted (no defconfig choice).
Apr 13 22:55:06 <jbowler> There's no description of a default for 'iocharset', I suspect it is coming from the NLS setting (currently iso8859-1)
Apr 13 22:56:30 <jbowler> UTSL: yes, it is (it defaults to CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT).  So changing that setting to utf8 would make unslung equivalent to openslug.
Apr 13 23:08:59 <rwhitby-web> The power of the internet never ceases to amaze me: http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=nslu2
Apr 13 23:10:47 <rwhitby-web> The latest version of that has 780 downloads, each of which would be using Unslung firmware.
Apr 13 23:11:12 <ka6sox-away> whoa...
Apr 13 23:13:22 <rpedde> the degree of color blindness that it would take to design that site is what amazes me...
Apr 13 23:13:40 <rpedde> :)
Apr 13 23:14:04 <ka6sox-away> its a little over the top.
Apr 13 23:15:43 <jacques> hmm I get file not found :-(
Apr 13 23:15:49 <jacques> The requested URL /modules.php was not found on this server.
Apr 13 23:16:06 <ka6sox-away> where are we seeing this?
Apr 13 23:16:47 <jacques> I get that trying to go to the above url - http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=nslu2
Apr 13 23:16:53 <ka6sox-away> bbiab...headed in to Kick a Server into life.
Apr 13 23:17:13 <jacques> :-D
Apr 13 23:26:54 <rwhitby-web> Another site: http://members.home.nl/lhspiljard/guide/index.html
Apr 13 23:30:35 <jbowler> Neat, no need to register on that one ;-)  Seems they're on unslung 2.x
Apr 13 23:32:13 <jbowler> The more of these things sell the cheaper they'll get.  I can't believe the parts cost would limit the price to much above USD30.
Apr 13 23:32:18 <rpedde> strange, though... why wouldn't the just build unslung ipkgs? 
Apr 13 23:33:33 <rwhitby-web> This is the forum thread.  They seem to be selling a disk.  http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3383#32257
Apr 13 23:34:33 <rpedde> more power to them, I guess.
Apr 13 23:34:37 <rwhitby-web> they talk to the Kiss box via NBD.
Apr 13 23:35:12 <rpedde> Yeah, but that's all they have... they have a bunch of guides that essentially do nothing more than install one package.  the kiss server.
Apr 13 23:35:57 <rpedde> plus some other stuff that's already in unslung -- upgraded busybox, etc.  and the howto is crosstool-ing and copying binaries to random places on the slug.
Apr 13 23:36:47 <rpedde> just curious, I guess, since the template .mk files do everything except search the web to find where the tarball of the package you are trying to build is.  serious kudos to everyone working on the template.  it rocks now.
Apr 13 23:38:07 <rwhitby-web> rpedde: thx - we wondered why you were releasing stuff on your site instead of just adding it to CROSS_PACKAGES_TO_BE_TESTED ;-)
Apr 13 23:38:54 <rpedde> i don't have a good answer for that.  :/
Apr 13 23:39:46 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-web: the UPS goes back tommorrow.
Apr 13 23:39:50 <ka6sox-office> its the culprit.
Apr 13 23:40:15 <rwhitby-web> good thing we got that warranty, hey ;-)
Apr 13 23:40:57 <ka6sox-office> yeah...Warranty good (and I have the receipt here all ready for it)
Apr 13 23:44:11 <jacques> wow
Apr 13 23:44:18 <jacques> UPS is such a simple device relatively too
Apr 13 23:44:33 <jacques> curious - what brand / model is it?
Apr 13 23:44:38 <ka6sox-office> yeah...it failed
Apr 13 23:44:41 <rwhitby-web> another one: http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2833#21387  - this time it's porting a japanese media server to the slug
Apr 13 23:44:43 <ka6sox-office> APC
Apr 13 23:44:57 <ka6sox-office> 600watt unit.
Apr 13 23:44:59 <jacques> hmm, same as all of mine
Apr 13 23:45:08 <jacques> well mine are all 1500's
Apr 13 23:45:34 <ka6sox-office> next wednesday I'm getting new batteries for all of mine :-)
Apr 13 23:45:52 <ka6sox-office> jacques, please test getting into the Cross and Native machines?
Apr 13 23:46:06 <jacques> `k - testing
Apr 13 23:46:59 <jacques> I can login to nudi no problem
Apr 13 23:47:10 <jacques> i forgot the other name - it isn't gastro anymore is it ?
Apr 13 23:47:17 <ka6sox-office> it is
Apr 13 23:47:31 <jacques> hmm, well it's pingable but not listening on port 22
Apr 13 23:48:03 <ka6sox-office> okay let me reboot.
Apr 13 23:48:04 <jacques> so apparently sshd isn't running
Apr 13 23:48:13 <ka6sox-office> razenfratzen thing.
Apr 13 23:50:09 <ka6sox-office> try now.
Apr 13 23:50:31 <jacques> still not listening on port 22
Apr 13 23:50:39 <ka6sox-office> arrrrrgh
Apr 13 23:50:43 <jacques> oops sorry it is
Apr 13 23:51:25 <jacques> now it's not pingable
Apr 13 23:51:32 <jacques> did you reboot again ?
Apr 13 23:52:04 <jacques> ok it's respinding to pings
Apr 13 23:52:56 <ka6sox-office> try now.
Apr 13 23:53:02 <ka6sox-office> it booted normally this time.
Apr 13 23:53:03 <jacques> and I'm in
Apr 13 23:53:11 <ka6sox-office> sweet
Apr 13 23:53:43 <jacques> :-)
Apr 13 23:53:50 <jacques> thanks for going in to the office
Apr 13 23:54:56 <jacques> lol, the slug has more processes running after boot than the athlon box
Apr 13 23:58:41 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-web: ping
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