**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 17 23:59:57 2005 Apr 18 01:12:34 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): check in turck-mmcache, make php-stage work Apr 18 01:16:23 03jp30 * 10unslung/sources/ (mysql.patch mysql/my.cnf): mysql tweaks Apr 18 01:35:43 rwhitby, jacques: appweb is currently building natively... slowly. Apr 18 01:38:59 nice **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 18 01:42:33 2005 Apr 18 01:42:56 hmmm failed when trying to link with openssl Apr 18 01:45:24 undefined symbols? Apr 18 01:53:21 well it started with: Apr 18 01:53:24 In file included from openSslModule.cpp:30: Apr 18 01:53:25 openSslModule.h:35:32: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory Apr 18 01:58:01 jacques: I've posted to the list, I have to log off and do some work :-P wonder if you could have a look at the posting and reply on the mailing list if you think of anything? Otherwise it'll be a day before the logs here become available ... I'll give you the link in a minute. Apr 18 01:58:08 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/5718 Apr 18 01:58:30 thanks - ta for now. Apr 18 02:21:26 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/turck-mmcache.mk: describe turck-mmcache Apr 18 02:23:45 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/metalog/rc.sysinit: Fixed incorrect return code Apr 18 02:25:20 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/metalog/control: Changed maintainer and upped version Apr 18 02:25:33 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote mysql, jabber Apr 18 02:26:15 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/metalog.mk: Upped version Apr 18 04:47:21 jp30-work: pong Apr 18 04:47:25 (belated) Apr 18 04:52:19 jacques: ping Apr 18 04:53:17 anyone familiar with make in the unslung CVS tree? Apr 18 04:55:58 what's up copperbeech ? Apr 18 04:57:27 well I built openssl in the native environment but it doesn;t seem to have put any of its libs etc in 'staging'. I think I need to get them in there before appweb will find the right dependencies. Apr 18 04:57:41 is that how it's supposed to work? Apr 18 04:57:52 hmmm, we have many packages which link to openssl Apr 18 04:57:59 oh Apr 18 04:58:10 did you make openssl-stage a dep of appweb ? Apr 18 04:58:14 i just did a 'make openssl' Apr 18 04:58:30 nope it is already in the make file... Apr 18 04:58:56 do I need to do something special to the openssl build to make it appear in staging? Apr 18 05:00:06 openssl-stage should put it there Apr 18 05:00:12 I dunno why it isn't for you Apr 18 05:00:19 zlib, which is a dep of openssl seems to have automatically put its libraries in staging. Apr 18 05:00:22 what happens if you 'make openssl-stage' ? Apr 18 05:00:31 hold on... openssl-stage ? what's that? Apr 18 05:00:39 ok I'll try it. Apr 18 05:00:47 I just did open-ssl Apr 18 05:01:50 ok done.. and the libs are there now!! Apr 18 05:01:56 weird Apr 18 05:02:10 thanks - I thought it would be something simple... justs didn't know what. Experience counts! Apr 18 05:02:24 now to try building appweb again. Apr 18 05:03:08 this could take a while. Apr 18 05:05:29 argh Apr 18 05:05:32 ifneq ($(HOST_MACHINE),armv5b) Apr 18 05:05:32 $(MAKE) openssl-stage Apr 18 05:05:32 endif Apr 18 05:05:36 I wonder why that's there Apr 18 05:06:03 you mean the if/endif condition? Apr 18 05:06:07 the conditional makes it not depend on openssl-stage if the build machine is armv5b (native) Apr 18 05:06:22 I have no idea why the conditional is there Apr 18 05:06:26 yeah I thought that was strange too... I'llk take it out if it all works. Apr 18 05:06:47 yeah. I would Apr 18 05:25:00 jacques: I think it's worked! Apr 18 05:29:48 copperbeech, :-) Apr 18 05:34:08 how do I turn it into an ipkg now? Apr 18 05:34:23 make appweb ipkg ? Apr 18 05:34:50 make appweb-ipk should do it Apr 18 05:40:21 building... Apr 18 05:42:37 wow! I cant' believe it - I have an ipkg! I think I'll save testing for later... Apr 18 05:42:45 :-D congrats! Apr 18 05:43:01 do you want a copy of the .mk file ? Apr 18 05:43:35 hmmm - I have still to add a patch for the configure script.... I'll do that first. Apr 18 05:44:05 jacques: thanks for the help. see you later Apr 18 05:44:19 ok, later - I gotta get some sleep soon :-) Apr 18 05:44:31 :-) Apr 18 05:50:11 jacques: that was there because openssl never used to build on native, so you had to install openssl from the cross feed Apr 18 05:50:29 rwhitby-away, ah thanks for clearing that up Apr 18 05:50:55 if it builds native now, then the conditional can be removed. Apr 18 05:51:15 Can someone remind me why we are building appWeb native when it already builds cross? Apr 18 05:53:31 I think because copperbeech didn't have access to a cross-build env - he started this before you started helping him with colinux Apr 18 05:54:18 and he got around the bld and bldout binaries problem with appweb which had stumped me, so I was more than willing to help him out Apr 18 05:54:25 right, but what is he trying to achieve? why can't someone else (who does have access to a cross env) just do that for him? I'm not sure it's a good idea to turn a perfectly good cross-building package into a native building package Apr 18 05:54:46 why can't it be both? like many packages Apr 18 05:55:10 maybe he wants to tinker with the compile-time config, I dunno Apr 18 05:55:43 tinkering is fine, but he repeatedly talks about updating appweb.mk Apr 18 05:56:07 if that's a compatible update, and cross still builds fine, then that's fine. Apr 18 05:56:26 if he uses conditionals to make it so that the cross-build process is unchanged, I have no problem with it Apr 18 06:00:29 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3242 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added /dev/dsp to Unslung Apr 18 06:38:03 hello, I am after the maxtor spindown utility for windows if anyone has it Apr 18 07:04:32 jp30: pong Apr 18 07:06:09 jp30: the native feed does not include openldap-libs yet Apr 18 07:27:28 hi, rwhitby. Apr 18 07:27:30 oops Apr 18 07:27:55 i'll get onto that Apr 18 07:28:05 :-) Apr 18 07:33:46 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/eaccelerator.mk sources/eaccelerator/eaccelerator.ini): check in eaccelerator Apr 18 08:06:32 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/mysql.mk sources/mysql/postinst): mysql: add a proper description, restart in postinst, and bump ipk Apr 18 08:42:25 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/mediawiki.mk: check in mediawiki Apr 18 09:10:55 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (phpmyadmin.mk mediawiki.mk): checkin phpmyadmin; small fixes to mediawiki Apr 18 09:52:25 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (template-cvs.mk template.mk): add _SUGGESTS to template.mk Apr 18 10:07:34 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/man.mk: man depends on groff Apr 18 10:24:22 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php-apache.mk: fix php-apache accidentally deleting php's ipks Apr 18 10:30:25 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/mediawiki.mk sources/mediawiki/postinst): mediawiki: clean uninstalled configurations Apr 18 10:33:23 jp30: ping? Apr 18 10:33:43 eno, pong! Apr 18 10:34:15 the first error in w3m build is due to build time dependency on gettext Apr 18 10:34:45 ok, should be no problem to install gettext on the build slug Apr 18 10:35:12 how about you try one more time and see if there's any additional problem? Apr 18 10:35:36 ok, will do. i have to go now, will email you if there are problem Apr 18 10:35:46 ...oh, and mzscheme is just about to be promoted Apr 18 10:35:55 great Apr 18 10:36:26 first lisp on slug! Apr 18 10:37:01 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote mzscheme, mediawiki, phpmyadmin, eaccelerator Apr 18 11:23:52 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote w3m (native) Apr 18 12:27:25 03febertra * 10unslung/make/byRequest.mk: Changed maintainer of byrequest to NSLU2 yahoo group. Apr 18 12:52:45 jp30-work:ping Apr 18 12:52:56 rwhitby-away, pong Apr 18 12:53:52 any way you can see to remove the apache dependency on a sasl process running (same as you did you openldap) ? Apr 18 12:54:46 i guess it could be done the same way, by splitting the cyrus-sasl package. i don't know much about sasl though. could give it a try Apr 18 12:55:05 also, should we change the apache conf to only start one or two forks instead of 5? Apr 18 12:55:27 i have a modification to do that pending Apr 18 12:56:08 i wanted to look at the worker MPM while i was at it Apr 18 12:56:15 having just a single httpd spare on the slug should be enough? Apr 18 12:56:28 with a reasonable max set Apr 18 12:57:17 my config has 1 min spare, 1 start spare, 5 max spare, and 10 max clients. 10 seems small, but i don't figure the slug can handle more in prefork mode Apr 18 12:57:53 lets make your config the default Apr 18 12:58:04 will do Apr 18 12:59:41 btw, there was an arcane problem with the libtool fix you made to php.mk - i have fixed it but thought you might like to know for future reference... Apr 18 13:00:13 what was that? Apr 18 13:02:07 if $(STAGING_LIB_DIR) goes in sys_lib_[dl]search_path_spec, $(TARGET_LIBDIR) needs to go in there as well, otherwise libtool gets upset by a missing libdl.la, and silently creates static instead of shared libraries Apr 18 13:02:57 ah, good, that explains what I was seeing. thanks for finding that and letting me know. Apr 18 13:03:12 do you agree with that concept (when implemented correctly) ? Apr 18 13:03:26 not sure i do: two worries... Apr 18 13:05:08 I'm not tied to it, so let's discuss ... Apr 18 13:07:00 sorry, i got distracted... worries: 1) patching generated files 2) it might be better to set those search paths to the empty string if that would disable searching for .las altogether Apr 18 13:08:06 ok, I agree on both counts. I just want it to stop searching host dirs for target libs. Apr 18 13:08:38 BTW, is mediawiki pushed to the feed? You've been busy! Apr 18 13:08:55 yes. i pulled an all-nighter Apr 18 13:09:31 copperbeech: hi Apr 18 13:09:41 rwhitby: hi! Apr 18 13:10:09 copperbeech: need more coLinux help? Apr 18 13:11:02 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Apr 18 13:11:03 use symlink to work around POSIX tar 100 char limitation, no postinst/prerm mv anymore Apr 18 13:11:03 touch a 666 default-web-root/log file so web-server-text works out of the box Apr 18 13:11:03 bumped ipk version Apr 18 13:11:25 rwhitby: well yes I would like to get it going but have broken XP at the moment and have to get the network bridge functionality working again... Apr 18 13:11:38 back later, baby is asleep again, so I can sleep again. Apr 18 13:11:47 ...back to the libtool issue, there's also worry 0) that i don't feel i understand well enough how libtool uses these variables Apr 18 13:11:56 ok, seeya later Apr 18 13:12:07 rwhitby: boy do I know how *that* feels! Apr 18 13:12:13 jp30-work: I'd love to try out mediawiki if you can push in the next couple of hours while I sleep :-) Apr 18 13:13:02 copperbeech: I now have both tap and bridged and loopback working on colinux, so I should be able to help) Apr 18 13:13:15 the main thing is getting the names of the adapters right Apr 18 13:13:23 night guys Apr 18 13:13:40 jp30, rwhitby: I have finished repairing the appweb.mk and a new patch which should compile native and cross, is there anyone who would be willing to test the mk on a cross-build environment? Apr 18 13:14:20 rwhitby: it would be great if I could pick your brains when we're both awake to get to the bottom of this. Thanks. Apr 18 13:15:19 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/apache.mk sources/apache/httpd-std.conf.in): more conservative apache prefork settings, bump ipk version Apr 18 13:15:46 jp30: if I want to to the php linkage for appweb, do I need to build php natively into the staging folder? Apr 18 13:16:53 copperbeech, does php support appweb? Apr 18 13:19:08 ...i don't see any offer of appweb support in the output of php's ./configure --help Apr 18 13:20:06 jp30: hold on a sec... brb Apr 18 13:26:13 jp30: http://www.mbedthis.com/products/appWeb/doc/source/packages.html#php Apr 18 13:27:10 back in a bit Apr 18 13:56:22 could someone test a compile on a cross environment for me? Apr 18 13:57:06 I've uploaded the updated make files on my new natively compiled appweb server: http://home.copperbeech.me.uk/download/appweb_update.zip Apr 18 14:14:38 copperbeech: i'm testing your appweb_update.zip right now Apr 18 14:14:56 very cool!! Apr 18 14:16:49 It's running ok here - even the httpPassword utility works ... almost. For some reason it fails to copy the final file back to the requested location from /tmp. You have to do it manually as a work around afterwards. But it's a step forwards from it not working at all. Apr 18 14:19:23 copperbeech, make appweb finished ok, but when i type make appweb-ipk, it seems to start compilation again Apr 18 14:19:43 what totally ? Apr 18 14:20:24 The ipkg compilation bit wasn't changed at all except to add couple of files which had been missed. It did take ages to build the ipkg. Apr 18 14:20:47 is it doing all the make depends stuff again? Apr 18 14:21:31 k, what were you asking for "what totally?" Apr 18 14:22:49 is it just compiling the ipkg or is it recompiling the whole thing again? Apr 18 14:23:39 looks like the whole thing again, including unpack Apr 18 14:24:06 strange! That part worked out of the box for me. Apr 18 14:24:29 I suppose we could just wait and see where it ends up. Apr 18 14:27:03 maybe it have something to do with file timestamp difference? Apr 18 14:27:41 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (apr.mk apr-util.mk): fix apr staging mechanism Apr 18 14:27:53 when i unzipped your appweb.mk, it is in the future, make did issue some warning about time skew Apr 18 14:28:02 yeah - I gotta go - do you mind posting the results to the mailing list? Apr 18 14:28:30 i put both build logs in a file, ~2M each Apr 18 14:28:39 ohhhh - time zones? I'm in the UK - perhaps that is what is causing it... Apr 18 14:28:56 try touching the files before you build and see if it helps? Apr 18 14:28:58 could be, i'm in US west coast Apr 18 14:29:02 :-) Apr 18 14:29:12 let me do that Apr 18 14:29:27 well I gotta go to bed... thanks heaps for doing this. Apr 18 17:09:14 03jp30 * 10unslung/sources/mysql/prerm: mysql: prerm should terminate cleanly even if daemon can't be killed Apr 18 19:47:39 http://ingles.homeunix.org/software/ost/ Apr 18 19:48:55 Very interesting little program - would be useful if you wanted to run multiple things on a set of two exposed ports (say 80 and 443). You could run ostiaryd on port 80, and use the PalmOS client to tell it to connect various other things to 443 (e.g. https, ssh, imaps, etc). Apr 18 19:49:18 I think I'll make Unslung and OpenSlug packages out of it .... Apr 18 19:52:09 very interesting Apr 18 19:52:28 rwhitby-web, I might have to dust off my wrt54gs to play with this: http://students.washington.edu/natetrue/wiviz/ Apr 18 19:53:43 Hmm - I could run that on the Asus wl500gx ... Apr 18 19:54:24 if you can get it into monitor mode, I don't see why not Apr 18 20:01:01 it can run openwrt ... Apr 18 20:01:23 so same wifi hardware? then should be no problem at all Apr 18 20:03:56 hi, all. anyone care to try out installing mediawiki? i have placed instructions on the wiki under Packages Apr 18 20:04:48 ... i have not tried following them to the letter on a virgin slug yet Apr 18 20:05:49 * jacques wonders how often the words 'virgin' and 'slug' appear in the same utterance. Apr 18 20:05:58 :) Apr 18 20:06:19 is it a googlewhack? i doubt it Apr 18 20:06:39 must dash now - back later Apr 18 20:07:39 ok I take it back: "Results 1 - 10 of about 79,500 for virgin slug." Apr 18 20:10:08 http://www.spydersempire.com/forum/poetry/messages4/16017.htm Apr 18 20:10:31 that's the only real one for "virgin slug" Apr 18 20:32:18 jp30: mysql is missing a libstdc dependency Apr 18 20:32:33 thanks; will fix Apr 18 20:33:54 mediawiki seemed to install everything else it needed fine. Can't test until tonight. Apr 18 20:34:20 very nice work! Apr 18 20:48:19 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/mysql.mk: mysql depend and stage libstdc++, bump ipk version Apr 18 21:15:50 jp30: four mysqld processes ? Apr 18 21:16:49 are they threads? Apr 18 21:17:09 Hmm - dunno, maybe. Apr 18 21:17:25 (Still waiting for it to reboot) Apr 18 21:23:41 it must be configurable in my.cnf; i'll take a look at the documentation Apr 18 21:38:30 they are threads - there is some possibility to configure mysql's thread use, but it looks like mysql is supposed to do pretty effective autotuning of those Apr 18 21:42:15 ok, cool. Apr 18 21:43:22 # free Apr 18 21:43:30 total used free shared buffers Apr 18 21:43:35 one thing i'm interested in tuning is eaccelerator... its config file is /opt/etc/php.d/eaccelerator.ini - please tweak and send feedback Apr 18 21:43:38 Mem: 30520 29888 632 0 7392 Apr 18 21:43:41 Swap: 63484 1104 62380 Apr 18 21:43:47 Total: 94004 30992 63012 Apr 18 21:44:09 (sorry for messing up your table rwhitby) Apr 18 21:44:22 apache itself is 23684 Apr 18 21:44:47 ouch, that's larger than my apache process, i think Apr 18 21:45:33 how big is yours? Apr 18 21:45:44 (if it's not too personal a question) Apr 18 21:45:46 16004 :) Apr 18 21:46:17 what have you turned off, and why isn't it turned off in the default config :-) Apr 18 21:46:29 that's with a default apache 2.0.53-7 Apr 18 21:46:35 it hasn't served much yet though Apr 18 21:47:00 one of the processes is much larger than the others, i suspect this may be due to eaccelerator Apr 18 21:47:44 I'm running that same version, and this is immediately after boot Apr 18 21:47:52 interesting. Apr 18 21:48:00 let me try rebooting my slug Apr 18 21:52:20 straight after boot, one apache child process, 6MB Apr 18 21:52:52 no wonder you were complaining about the size of apache, rwhitby! Apr 18 21:54:03 rwhitby, was 23684 the sum of the memory use of all the apache processes? Apr 18 21:58:18 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (cyrus-sasl.mk openldap.mk): split cyrus-sasl-libs into seperate ipk Apr 18 22:01:11 jp30: two apache processes, each 23684. But that doesn't make sense. Apr 18 22:01:44 no, that doesn't make sense Apr 18 22:01:59 thats from stock "ps -ef". Let's try top from procps ... Apr 18 22:02:28 5500 - that's better Apr 18 22:02:39 ah, more plausible Apr 18 22:03:06 18% and 16% of memory respectively Apr 18 22:03:49 and each of the three mysqld's are 3012 (10%) Apr 18 22:06:10 try accessing a php page via apache and see how much it grows Apr 18 22:06:33 can't from here - don't have a port forwared to MediaSlug Apr 18 22:08:14 oops. I just typed "ipkg remove ipkg remove foo" by mistake. Apr 18 22:08:19 Now I have no ipkg :-( Apr 18 22:08:30 oops Apr 18 22:09:02 can someone tell me the list of files in the ipkg package? Apr 18 22:09:52 is it just ipkg-cl and then the symlink? Apr 18 22:10:34 ok, got it back from jffs2. Ok, that just justified running Unslung 4.x with rootfs on disk. Apr 18 22:14:02 will the stock web interface run under apache I wonder ..... ? Apr 18 22:16:05 i'm kind of hazy about how the stock web stuff works. it's a number of cgi programs running under thttpd, is that right? Apr 18 22:17:36 yeah. probably not worth the effort Apr 18 22:17:53 have you tried out Styno's webtools under apache/PHP ? Apr 18 22:18:32 BTW, I like the idea of different packages installing in subdirs under /opt/share/www Apr 18 22:19:03 http://webtools.wl500g.info/ Apr 18 22:20:31 i was just googling for them... not wanting to appear ignorant :) Apr 18 22:22:15 It's the leading candidate for the web UI for Unslung (and maybe OpenSlug) Apr 18 22:22:58 ... and the main reason why I wanted php to work with thttpd Apr 18 22:23:21 Maybe Unslung 5.x will have a web admin interface .... Apr 18 22:24:04 yes, i remember discussion of this now. i see he's using pear. i will have to get pear working on unslung (it has cross compilation issues) Apr 18 22:26:57 I thought thttpdphp had it working? Apr 18 22:28:23 maybe. i believe pear requires a command line php, and thttpdphp builds a thttpd executable Apr 18 22:29:37 there are other bits of php that can only build native right now - cyrus-imap support, for example - though pTweety mentioned he's working on cyrus-imap at the moment - maybe he'll get it to cross compile? Apr 18 22:56:37 I'm not familiar with pear, so I dunno. Apr 18 22:56:45 (I know what it is, but have never used it) Apr 18 23:02:30 so when you say "get pear working" do you mean "get the pear package manager working so it can download packages to the slug" ? Apr 18 23:02:52 jp30: ? Apr 18 23:04:42 rwhitby, i'm back... Apr 18 23:05:43 I just read a bit on pear. Do we just need the pear package manager to be installed, and then it could install the rest of pear in it's postint script? Apr 18 23:06:10 doing the heavy lifting in postinst is a good idea Apr 18 23:06:43 ... i was put off by the intricacy of the php scripts that get run to install pear during a php make install Apr 18 23:07:27 ...and didn't want to have to build a host php just to run them Apr 18 23:08:30 ...i like the postinst idea. Apr 18 23:08:50 ah thttpdphp had --without-pear too Apr 18 23:09:40 yeah, make install tries to run the php it's just built if you configure --with-pear Apr 18 23:10:16 does it do that to create the pear package manager, or to run the pear package manager to install the pear packages? Apr 18 23:11:11 it's a while since i looked at this, but i think it: 1) runs a script to bootstrap the package environment; and 2) runs the package manager to install some default packages Apr 18 23:11:42 the package manager itself is a php script Apr 18 23:11:57 ...if i remember correctly Apr 18 23:30:07 everyone back now? ;-) Apr 18 23:32:46 rwhitby: I'm still on. Didn't you ask for some testing help? Apr 18 23:32:52 On Saturday or so? Apr 18 23:34:05 yep, on unslung 4.x Apr 18 23:34:16 did you get the binary on nslu.sf.net/downloads? Apr 18 23:34:30 we're still only at 15 alpha testers. Apr 18 23:36:02 im running 4.x too Apr 18 23:36:15 will put myself on the list Apr 18 23:36:59 I'm building unslung right now from oe. Is that going to be 4.x? Apr 18 23:37:28 Hey. It just finished. Apr 18 23:37:59 yep. that will be 4.14-alpha plus /dev/dsp added Apr 18 23:38:24 OK. Apr 18 23:38:38 that's feature-complete as far as I am concerned, so test the hell out of it :-) Apr 18 23:38:39 I'll follow the guidelines and see how it plays. Apr 18 23:38:44 Excellent. Apr 18 23:39:35 we don't have a new README yet, so feel free to note the updates that we need to make on the SuggestedChangesToTheREADME page (named something like that) Apr 18 23:41:00 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/SuggestedChangesToTheReadme Apr 18 23:42:42 jacques: ping Apr 18 23:42:59 ka6sox-vegas: pong Apr 18 23:43:27 hi there. Apr 18 23:43:31 how's the shopping? Apr 18 23:43:32 things going okay? Apr 18 23:43:39 only spent $40K today Apr 18 23:43:50 how many slugs? Apr 18 23:44:06 20 WL-HDD's Apr 18 23:44:38 Geez. I hope the're gonna do what you want! Apr 18 23:44:50 Otherwise I might get one *really* cheap :-) Apr 18 23:45:07 I actually talked them out of actually spending the money until after I play some more Apr 18 23:45:33 but they are buying me some CF cards/Adapters and antennas for "long distance" testing Apr 18 23:46:11 1st shot is 6km Apr 18 23:46:39 pringles cans? Apr 18 23:47:16 probably 24dbi dishes Apr 18 23:47:52 (I do have 1.2m and 1.8m dishes Apr 18 23:48:06 how much were the WL-HDD's each? Apr 18 23:49:13 83 in quantities under 10 Apr 18 23:49:35 over 10 it is under 76/each Apr 18 23:50:26 latest news here is that jp30 has mediawiki packaged up (including mysql/php/phpmyadmin/eaccelerator) Apr 18 23:50:41 ka6sox-web, hi! where are you? Apr 18 23:51:07 you're in a vega ? Apr 18 23:51:09 :-\ Apr 18 23:51:14 eyah Apr 18 23:51:27 haven't dropped a dime yet. Apr 18 23:51:34 how ya feeling? Apr 18 23:51:48 only 1 fall today...getting better! Apr 18 23:51:58 :-( Apr 18 23:52:14 hoping that tommorrow is a No Fall day. Apr 18 23:52:30 sounds like a good goal Apr 18 23:52:42 tommorrow is the Big Iron Sale Apr 18 23:52:47 :-D Apr 18 23:52:52 big iron, big $$$ Apr 18 23:53:17 I hope to pick up a 1kw HF Digital transmitter Apr 18 23:53:42 and Blast out UDP packets. Apr 18 23:53:56 coool Apr 18 23:54:53 not as many people at the Show... Apr 18 23:55:26 things going well here? Apr 18 23:58:11 did I die? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 18 23:59:56 2005