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Apr 21 00:47:36 <dyoung> ka6sox-away ping
Apr 21 00:52:07 <jacques> he might still be in vega$
Apr 21 00:57:53 <dyoung> Ah, i just saw him join. Figured maybe it really was him.
Apr 21 00:59:47 <jacques> hmm good point - I hadn't noticed that he just joined
Apr 21 01:04:13 <dyoung> Its probably some automaton.
Apr 21 01:04:19 <dyoung> Or his evil Clone.
Apr 21 01:04:39 <dyoung> rwhitby, what was the media player that I needed again?
Apr 21 01:05:18 <dyoung> I seem to have completely forgotten everything technical over past weeks.
Apr 21 01:05:29 <dyoung> Heck, whats a nslu2 again?
Apr 21 01:05:32 <dyoung> ~nslu2
Apr 21 01:05:33 <jbot> methinks nslu2 is a Linksys network storage device.  It runs linux and features an ixp4xx processor, and is hackable.  See http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=35&scid=43&prid=640, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
Apr 21 01:07:33 <odoc> hey dyoung
Apr 21 01:07:47 <odoc> talked with luc about 2.4 port of pwc-driver
Apr 21 01:09:03 <dyoung> Oh?  What did he think?
Apr 21 01:09:22 <odoc> it will work
Apr 21 01:09:31 <odoc> he will send me a patch to test
Apr 21 01:09:35 <dyoung> Significant hacking required?
Apr 21 01:09:40 <odoc> dunno
Apr 21 01:09:42 <dyoung> oh cool, he did the heavy lifting already.
Apr 21 01:09:49 <odoc> he want to to the patch himself
Apr 21 01:09:56 <odoc> and send it over to me for testing
Apr 21 01:10:29 <dyoung> Cool.  did the mainline version get bumped in the past 3 weeks?
Apr 21 01:10:44 <dyoung> (for the built in endian patches we talked about...)
Apr 21 01:11:02 <odoc> ?
Apr 21 01:11:51 <dyoung> you sent me a patch around a month ago with the endian patches which were in the CVS version, but not the "stable" version.
Apr 21 01:12:12 <dyoung> I was wondering if the "stable" version was increased in the past weeks.
Apr 21 01:12:18 <odoc> ahh
Apr 21 01:12:20 <dyoung> (i've been completely away from technology)
Apr 21 01:12:28 <odoc> dunno :)
Apr 21 01:12:42 <dyoung> ok, it not busted, so lets not fix it.
Apr 21 01:12:50 <odoc> but the endian issue iss fixed in cvs
Apr 21 01:13:03 <odoc> and there are snapshots on luc's page
Apr 21 01:13:25 <odoc> luc was happy to hear that his driver is running on the nslu :)
Apr 21 01:13:58 <odoc> ahh
Apr 21 01:14:08 <odoc> theres an 10.0.7 on his page now
Apr 21 01:17:05 <odoc> he want to list nslu on www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/projects.php
Apr 21 01:17:22 <odoc> do you want to be the contact person ?
Apr 21 01:17:37 <dyoung> looking...
Apr 21 01:18:03 <dyoung> Hmm, I could be, but its a little weird since I dont even own a PWC yet!
Apr 21 01:18:24 <dyoung> You should feel free to take that role, since it was your only purpose for the nslu2.
Apr 21 01:18:39 <odoc> mhh
Apr 21 01:18:55 <odoc> my nslu is aimed with unslung 4.x atm
Apr 21 01:18:59 <dyoung> however if you dont want it, you can list me.
Apr 21 01:19:15 <dyoung> That might give me an excuse for buying a pwc.
Apr 21 01:19:17 <dyoung> 5 pack.
Apr 21 01:19:36 <jacques> what's a pwc ?
Apr 21 01:19:39 <odoc> i will do ... just thought because you are the package maintainer
Apr 21 01:20:07 <odoc> maybe some guy donate a pwc for you 
Apr 21 01:20:15 <odoc> Jacmet, Phillips Web Cam
Apr 21 01:20:21 <dyoung> Phillips Web Cam.
Apr 21 01:20:22 <odoc> arghs
Apr 21 01:20:33 <jacques> ah ok
Apr 21 01:20:40 <jacques> i thought the acronym looked familiar
Apr 21 01:20:46 <jacques> that's the name of the drie
Apr 21 01:20:48 <jacques> driver
Apr 21 01:21:02 <dyoung> I added it to oe withut testing it, odoc made it work. ;-)
Apr 21 01:21:32 <dyoung> jacques, I think its the only webcam driver that works under openslug atm.
Apr 21 01:21:53 <odoc> i need more nslus for testing ;P
Apr 21 01:22:01 <dyoung> I cheaped  out and bought a spca5xx, but that one has endian issues in the usb enumeration.
Apr 21 01:22:17 <dyoung> or identification or whatever the terminolgy is.
Apr 21 01:22:25 <odoc> you didn't fix it yet ?
Apr 21 01:22:39 <jacques> yeah I too was having usb endial problems :-(
Apr 21 01:23:50 <dyoung> odoc, I havnt touched a computer in more than 2 weeks. :-)
Apr 21 01:24:20 <odoc> you are in jail ? :)
Apr 21 01:24:31 <dyoung> something like that.
Apr 21 01:24:37 <odoc> sounds like surfing
Apr 21 01:25:12 <odoc> weather iss getting better here ... so i will spend more time motorbike riding 
Apr 21 01:25:28 <dyoung> same here, I'm about to buy a downhill bike.
Apr 21 01:27:02 <odoc> i got a ktm ... its like an uphill bike :)
Apr 21 01:27:11 <odoc> but the engine is broken ;P
Apr 21 01:27:34 <dyoung> I like bicycles better because the engine is me.  heh.
Apr 21 01:28:56 <odoc> hehe
Apr 21 04:59:26 <rwhitby> dyoung: Neuston MC-500
Apr 21 05:01:26 <rwhitby> Works as advertised.  Still putting together the open-source media server for it.
Apr 21 05:01:52 <rwhitby> Haven't even opened it up yet.
Apr 21 05:02:51 <rwhitby> BTW, re: the wl530g, talking to Oleg reveals that it's radio is not as sensitive as other chipsets.  Not a problem for me, but thought you should know in case you were considering it.
Apr 21 05:11:32 <dyoung> Nah, I need to buy one of these MC500's first.
Apr 21 05:12:33 <dyoung> do you remember the "other" branding of that box that I can find on amazon
Apr 21 05:12:34 <dyoung> ?
Apr 21 05:15:53 <jacques> http://www.m90.org/gallery/video/Qhrome-SoDeep0-3085.wmv
Apr 21 05:16:19 <jacques> some kid jugling bowling pins while playing a fast level on DDR
Apr 21 05:16:23 <jacques> juggling
Apr 21 05:17:23 <vb_> Irssi 0.8.10-rc5(20050331.0110) running on Linux armv5b  - http://irssi.org/
Apr 21 05:17:27 <vb_> \o/
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Apr 21 05:35:30 <rwhitby> (oh, the remote control is different too)
Apr 21 05:36:23 <jacques> the good news is linksys has a link for R29 GPL source - http://www.linksys.com/support/opensourcecode/nslu2/2.3R29/nslu2_2.3R29.zip
Apr 21 05:36:34 <rwhitby> so, do we have the ability to install apache and php on openslug?
Apr 21 05:36:52 <jacques> nslu2-linux.org is back
Apr 21 05:37:32 <jacques> was temporary connectivity issue - I can get to all machines now
Apr 21 05:37:32 * dyoung looks around suspiciously.
Apr 21 05:37:39 <rwhitby> jacques: I get a page not found for that link
Apr 21 05:37:46 <jacques> rwhitby, that's the bad news
Apr 21 05:37:49 <dyoung> ~lart ka6sox-office 
Apr 21 05:37:49 * jbot DoSes ka6sox-office
Apr 21 05:42:07 <jacques> this thing looks rather interesting: http://www.auroramultimedia.com/web/?section=products&product=wacinxplus
Apr 21 05:43:50 <dyoung> the name is kinda funky.
Apr 21 05:44:00 <dyoung> I keep seeing "wacky"
Apr 21 05:44:33 <jacques> me too
Apr 21 05:45:21 <jacques> "wacky world" http://www.waciworld.com/
Apr 21 05:46:14 <rwhitby> $1500
Apr 21 05:46:17 <jacques> OUCH
Apr 21 05:46:24 <jacques> I hadn't found a price yet
Apr 21 05:46:32 <rwhitby> http://www.waciworld.com/?section=Order
Apr 21 05:46:52 <rwhitby> you can get Jr for 580
Apr 21 05:46:59 <dyoung> "true RNG in hardware"
Apr 21 05:47:31 <rwhitby> atomic source?
Apr 21 05:47:46 <jacques> heh
Apr 21 05:48:27 <dyoung> Maybe theres a onboard antimatter entropy engine onboard.
Apr 21 05:48:56 <jacques> that would almost explain the ptice
Apr 21 05:48:59 <jacques> price
Apr 21 05:50:16 <jacques> I think it's time for an avocado and cheddar sandwich in a poppyseed roll
Apr 21 05:50:21 <dyoung> I'll buyone of them actiontec media boxes if I still have money after buying a bike.
Apr 21 05:50:37 <dyoung> I'm so tired.
Apr 21 05:50:51 <dyoung> I dont even know what day it is anymore
Apr 21 05:51:11 <jacques> it's 2:51am on Thursday April 21st 2005
Apr 21 05:51:55 <dyoung> But my body claims its 2051 Friday April 22.
Apr 21 05:52:11 <jacques> you wacky Hawaiians and your lack of DST
Apr 21 05:52:20 <dyoung> Sleep.
Apr 21 05:52:34 <jacques> yeah I guess you must be rather lagged :-) I had forgotten that
Apr 21 05:52:35 <dyoung> havnt had any for... a whlie.
Apr 21 05:52:59 <dyoung> ok see y'all later.
Apr 21 05:53:37 <jacques> hmmmmm I am going to add sauteed mushrooms to my sandwich
Apr 21 05:53:47 <jacques> sleep well dyoung-zzzz !!
Apr 21 05:53:54 <jacques> BIAB
Apr 21 05:53:56 <rwhitby> night dyoung-zzzz
Apr 21 05:58:57 <rwhitby> someone's done the hard work for me again: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenMC500/HomePage :-)
Apr 21 05:59:15 <rwhitby> I put an empty page there, and someone fills it with the instructions that I need.
Apr 21 06:16:51 <jacques> nice :-)
Apr 21 06:18:04 <rwhitby> now I just have to wait for glibc to compile so I can try compiling apache and php for openslug
Apr 21 06:21:48 <jacques> rwhitby, you built openslug-image recently?
Apr 21 06:22:19 <rwhitby> on the 18th
Apr 21 06:22:48 <jacques> hmm OK I will try again
Apr 21 06:22:55 <jacques> mine failed a few days ago
Apr 21 06:29:55 <[g2]> rwhitby, has unslung switched tool chains to a later version for all the packages ?
Apr 21 06:31:30 <rwhitby> no
Apr 21 06:31:35 <rwhitby> why?
Apr 21 06:32:18 <rwhitby> Still crosstool 0.28-rc37, gcc-3.3.5, glibc-2.2.5
Apr 21 06:32:19 <[g2]> well I just pulled from cvs and started doing a make and it looks like it's building the later gcc/glibc stuff
Apr 21 06:32:48 <rwhitby> unslung builds it's own toolchain
Apr 21 06:32:50 <[g2]> my bad.  That's the stuff it's building
Apr 21 06:32:52 <[g2]> THX
Apr 21 06:35:38 <rwhitby> ok, the openslug apache build fails due to a missing httpd.conf file.
Apr 21 06:36:08 <[g2]> nod. that's been the case for months
Apr 21 06:36:28 <[g2]> I did build it natively thought
Apr 21 06:36:45 <[g2]> I've probably got that .conf around somewhere
Apr 21 06:37:03 <rwhitby> never mind, it barfs in configure too
Apr 21 06:37:08 <rwhitby> too hard bucket
Apr 21 06:37:49 <rwhitby> so is it possible to install an unslung package on a glibc openslug and have any chance of it working?
Apr 21 06:39:28 <jacques> in theory, yes
Apr 21 06:55:21 <[g2]> it's be much easier (but slower) to just adapt the unslung make files and build it all natively on openslug
Apr 21 06:55:30 <[g2]> or possibly cross
Apr 21 06:56:35 <rwhitby> We could use UNSLUNG_TARGET=openslug :-)
Apr 21 06:57:29 <Tiersten_> True RNG in hardware chipsets isn't special anymore.  VIA and Intel chipsets both do it by amplifying the noise in a PN junction.
Apr 21 06:57:55 <[g2]> rwhitby, I'll have to look into that
Apr 21 07:20:54 <rwhitby> Hmm, is nslu2-linux.bkbits.net down for anyone else?
Apr 21 07:21:42 <Tiersten> Yeah.  Just hangs
Apr 21 07:33:00 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/python.mk: made python-stage work
Apr 21 07:37:31 <rwhitby-away> ok, bridging is too hard for me.   I just made AccessSlug kernel panic trying to bridge two ethernet interfaces.  It was probably something I did ...
Apr 21 07:38:26 <Tiersten> That shouldn't happen.  Must be a bug somewhere
Apr 21 08:01:53 <rwhitby-away> Hi clueless - you might want to edit your miau.conf :-)
Apr 21 08:03:42 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, the make of the toolchain dies with 
Apr 21 08:03:44 <[g2]> checking for gcjx... no
Apr 21 08:03:44 <[g2]> configure: cannot find javac, try --with-gcj, --with-jikes, --with-kjc, or --with-gcjx
Apr 21 08:03:44 <[g2]> make: *** [/home/tom/dev/unslung/cvs/unslung/builds/classpath/.configured] Error 1
Apr 21 08:04:03 <[g2]> I guess I need javac installed ?
Apr 21 08:04:07 <rwhitby-away> yep
Apr 21 08:05:37 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, is that javacc or xjavac ?
Apr 21 08:05:51 <rwhitby-away> dunno - check on nudi
Apr 21 08:06:34 <rwhitby-away> I've got jikes on my dev box
Apr 21 08:08:27 <[g2]> thx I'll check for that in a minute
Apr 21 08:19:32 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/php-apache.mk: Removed the duplicated variables by substituting variables from php.mk directly.
Apr 21 08:25:38 <rwhitby-away> jp30: if you see this in the logs, it still doesn't build (problem finding -lz), but at least it gets the variables right,
Apr 21 08:26:37 <rwhitby-away> night all
Apr 21 14:40:29 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Updated to git-pasky-0.6.2
Apr 21 14:41:25 <hculver> I'm running unslung-3.18-beta and have built unslung-nslu2-20050420232053.  I've got zImage-unslung and ramdisk.gz on a tftp server.  I can boot with "exec -c "init=/linuxrc" 0x01d00000.  I've looked at linuxrc. What do I do wrt jffs2 and .sdan to move forward?
Apr 21 14:42:41 <rwhitby> -c doesn't work with RedBoot.
Apr 21 14:43:16 <hculver> hmm, seemed to work for me.  it executed the linuxrc whereas without the -c it didn't.
Apr 21 14:43:38 <rwhitby> really?  That's very interesting.
Apr 21 14:43:49 <hculver> without it complained about no init.
Apr 21 14:44:12 <hculver> with it determined that jffs2 was preferred
Apr 21 14:44:47 <hculver> I'm just not sure what the correct procedure is these days (been gone for a while).
Apr 21 14:46:43 <hculver> what do I do with the jffs2 image produced by the unslung-image build?
Apr 21 14:47:31 <hculver> load -v -r -b something unslung-blah.jffs?
Apr 21 14:53:48 <[g2]-away> anybody know what's up with the mysql source ?
Apr 21 14:54:10 <[g2]-away> http://mirrors.develooper.com/mysql/Downloads/MySQL-4.1/mysql-4.1.11.tar.gz
Apr 21 14:54:14 <[g2]-away> doesn't work
Apr 21 15:01:17 <hculver> I realize I'm asking for it here, but can somebody tell me what I'm supposed to do the the jffs2 file generated by the oe build of unslung-image?
Apr 21 15:09:19 <dyoung-zzzz> hculver, you will nleed to flash the image file.
Apr 21 15:09:28 <dyoung-zzzz> jffs2 expects to be running from the flash.
Apr 21 15:09:58 <dyoung-zzzz> its part of the other file already (the 8m file)
Apr 21 15:10:42 <dyoung-zzzz> the ramdisk.gz file is timy now and serves as a intermediate step to booting the rootfs from the jffs2.
Apr 21 15:12:16 <hculver> thx dyoung.  
Apr 21 15:13:13 <hculver> procedure still flash w/no-disk, reboot, enable telnet, telnet, attach disk?
Apr 21 15:13:45 <dyoung-zzzz> Yes, that hasnt changed i dont think....
Apr 21 15:14:14 <hculver> and since I'm already unslung ... that should do it?
Apr 21 16:20:16 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/php-thttpd.mk: php-thttpd.mk : SOURCE and VERSION now rely on php & thttpd base packages. Add threads-safe support for nslu2.
Apr 21 16:40:47 <rwhitby-web> jf-away: did you make the same change to php-thttpd that I made to php-apache?
Apr 21 16:43:38 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-web : nop, as it still doesn't work for me. I still get some warning when running make
Apr 21 16:43:53 <rwhitby-web> what's the warning?
Apr 21 16:46:09 <rwhitby-web> we may actually need to remove some targets from php-*.mk (especially the php download target).  We can assume that php.mk is also included, and so any dependency on the download file will be handled by php.mk
Apr 21 16:46:22 <jeanfabrice> warning: overriding commands for target `/data/slug/unslung/downloads/'
Apr 21 16:47:19 <jeanfabrice> even when using PHP_SOURCE or THTTPD_SOURCE in php-thttpd.mk
Apr 21 16:48:06 <rwhitby-web> is that the target which runs wget?  if so, then that whole target can be removed from php-thttpd.mk, as it will be done by php.mk and thttpd.mk repectively.
Apr 21 16:48:24 <rwhitby-web> (remember that every single one of the .mk files is included at the same time when make runs)
Apr 21 16:50:38 <jeanfabrice> does that mean having no download target in php-thttpd ?
Apr 21 17:01:46 <jeanfabrice> for example, I tried in my php-thttpd.mk : $(DL_DIR)/$(THTTPD_SOURCE):<newline><tab>$(WGET) -P $(DL_DIR) $(THTTPD_SITE)/$(THTTPD_SOURCE) and then, php-thttpd-source: $(DL_DIR)/$(THTTPD_SOURCE)
Apr 21 17:02:50 <jeanfabrice> running 'make php-thttpd-source' produces two warnings: "make/php-thttpd.mk:94: warning: overriding commands for target `/data/slug/unslung/downloads/'" and "make/php-apache.mk:84: warning: ignoring old commands for target `/data/slug/unslung/downloads/'"
Apr 21 17:13:41 <ka6sox-office> nite jf-asleep 
Apr 21 17:20:54 <rwhitby-web> jf-asleep: yeah, no download target in php-thttpd, cause it will be done by php.mk.
Apr 21 17:31:25 <ka6sox-office> jacques: ping
Apr 21 17:35:47 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-web: wl-hdd is here.
Apr 21 17:36:06 <rwhitby-web> nice :-)
Apr 21 17:36:18 <rwhitby-web> replaced the firmware yet?
Apr 21 17:36:32 <ka6sox-office> not yet
Apr 21 17:37:05 <rwhitby-web> well, what are you waiting for!!! :-)
Apr 21 17:37:35 <ka6sox-office> um...time where I'm not working on "work stuffs!"
Apr 21 18:03:58 <rwhitby-web> work, schmurk.
Apr 21 19:23:20 <hculver> The latest unslung kernel looks like it contains CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y, I've created /dev/loop0, but can't "mount -o loop ...", what am I missing?
Apr 21 19:24:41 <hculver> I think I found it.  CONFIG_ISO9660_FS is not set.
Apr 21 20:32:28 <eno> just want to let you guys know i got mod_python working, now trying to cleanup and package it!
Apr 21 22:51:33 <Chrsistopher> anyone interested in a webalizer package?
Apr 21 22:53:50 <ka6sox-away> yes
Apr 21 22:54:22 <ka6sox-away> hey Chrsistopher good to see you again.
Apr 21 22:55:47 <Chrsistopher> yeah, good to be back 
Apr 21 22:56:04 <Chrsistopher> I got it to compile, just need to clean up some things
Apr 21 23:03:25 <ka6sox-away> cool...
Apr 21 23:03:32 <ka6sox-away> how is school going?
Apr 21 23:03:37 <ka6sox-away> or are you taking a break?
Apr 21 23:03:51 <ka6sox-away> jacques, ping?
Apr 21 23:04:09 <jacques> hello
Apr 21 23:04:11 <jacques> that was weird - musta lost connectivity
Apr 21 23:04:57 <jacques> ka6sox-away, pong
Apr 21 23:06:30 <ka6sox-away> I wish Allergy Season was over.
Apr 21 23:06:39 <jacques> me too!!!!
Apr 21 23:07:20 <ka6sox-away> right now I'm hacking on my TS-450S
Apr 21 23:09:11 <jacques> what's that?
Apr 21 23:10:53 <ka6sox-away> 30khz to 40mhz Tranceiver
Apr 21 23:13:17 <ka6sox-away> adding a 455khz IF output for my DRM receiver.
Apr 21 23:17:54 <ka6sox-away> the software side works when I play the files into it.
Apr 21 23:18:43 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mod-python ready for cross testing
Apr 21 23:36:09 <ka6sox-away> nite eno-zzz 
Apr 21 23:56:45 <Chrsistopher> ka6sox-zzzz nope, in the middle of spring term, then off to maryland to intern at Goddard space flight center for the summer
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