**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 25 23:59:57 2005
Apr 26 03:38:51 <dyoung> evening rwhitby
Apr 26 03:43:22 <rwhitby> g'day, how's the unslung 4.x testing going?
Apr 26 03:44:02 <dyoung> well, it hasnt broke yet.
Apr 26 03:44:14 <dyoung> It was talk like an australian day earlier.
Apr 26 03:44:20 <rwhitby> A tip for coLinux networking, make sure the ethX that is attached to the loopback adapter is not a default route.
Apr 26 03:44:39 <rwhitby> on #nslu2-linux or elsewhere?
Apr 26 03:44:43 <dyoung> I didnt get quite that far yet.  
Apr 26 03:45:01 <dyoung> Here.
Apr 26 03:45:45 <dyoung> Before I start screwing around with colinux, I want to know why I cant shutdown without getting a stop 7E every time.
Apr 26 03:47:31 <rwhitby> what's stop 7E ?
Apr 26 03:47:45 <dyoung> its pretty non-descript.
Apr 26 03:47:50 <rwhitby> I just go "sudo halt" to shut it down.  Are you using coLinux Manager?
Apr 26 03:47:51 <dyoung> I just know it happens so far.
Apr 26 03:48:03 <dyoung> Oh, this is a windows error.
Apr 26 03:48:27 <dyoung> Complete with the pretty Blue Screen.
Apr 26 03:48:49 <rwhitby> oh, no idea about that - it has never happened to me
Apr 26 03:49:06 <rwhitby> how much memory do you have have, and how much are you giving to coLinux?
Apr 26 03:49:27 <dyoung> I think 768 and 256.
Apr 26 03:49:41 <dyoung> maybe 128 for colinux.. gotta check
Apr 26 03:50:03 <rwhitby> I go 1Gb/384MB
Apr 26 03:50:48 <dyoung> I'm about to get a 1GB DIMM.  But havnt gotten around to it yet.
Apr 26 03:50:57 <dyoung> that should make things happier.
Apr 26 03:51:58 <rwhitby> My contact at Linksys Australia (who sent me the WAG54Gv2 and slug) just asked me whether I had starting tinkering with it yet, and pointed me to the just-released source code :-)
Apr 26 04:14:54 <rwhitby> dyoung: did you look at slingover?
Apr 26 04:24:08 <jf-work> rwhitby : *blush*
Apr 26 04:24:48 <rwhitby> jf-work: don't underestimate the contribution you are making :-)
Apr 26 04:25:30 <rwhitby> you and jp30 are the people that keep our feeds humming, and that's what *most* of the thousands of users are mostly concerned about.
Apr 26 04:26:15 <rwhitby> they only get new firmware every 2 to 6 months, but they get new packages every week :-)
Apr 26 04:29:11 <rwhitby> dyoung: just rebuilt the firmware for wag54gv2 from source.  Linksys gets a tick for repeatability of GPL firmware building from source.
Apr 26 04:29:33 <dyoung> Cool.
Apr 26 04:29:56 <dyoung> ~praise jf-work
Apr 26 04:30:17 <dyoung> ~worship jf-work
Apr 26 04:30:25 <dyoung> hmm, maybe jbot is on strike
Apr 26 04:30:35 <rwhitby> dyoung: jf-work was blushing from this: http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=2036&goto=newpost
Apr 26 04:30:44 <dyoung> jf-work, what rwhitby said.
Apr 26 04:30:58 <jbot> All hail jf-work!
Apr 26 04:31:01 * jbot kneels before jf-work.  "I'm not worthy!"
Apr 26 04:31:12 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
Apr 26 04:31:12 <jbot> rwhitby: :)
Apr 26 04:31:52 <rwhitby> hmm - a better link is http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=14265&postcount=34
Apr 26 04:32:06 <rwhitby> (since your newpost is different from my newpost)
Apr 26 04:33:53 <rwhitby> wonder how ka6sox is getting on with his wl-hdd ...
Apr 26 04:33:55 <dyoung> oly crap
Apr 26 04:34:08 <rwhitby> ?
Apr 26 04:34:08 <dyoung> Okay, I need a wl500g
Apr 26 04:34:25 <dyoung> thats a whole crapload of workable pakcages.
Apr 26 04:34:26 <rwhitby> get a gx
Apr 26 04:34:46 <rwhitby> dyoung: and that's just the ones which built without any uclibc patches added ...
Apr 26 04:35:21 <dyoung> so jf-work, did you get more than $0.02 for your contribution?
Apr 26 04:35:27 <dyoung> ;-)
Apr 26 04:35:54 <rwhitby> dyoung: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16839112005
Apr 26 04:36:55 <rwhitby> jf-work: how much is an NSLU2 in your part of the world?
Apr 26 04:37:37 <jf-work> around 100€ (127$US)
Apr 26 04:38:04 <rwhitby> jf-work: would you like one?
Apr 26 04:38:50 <dyoung> Hey, thats a G eh?
Apr 26 04:39:02 <rwhitby> the DLX is the gx
Apr 26 04:39:48 <dyoung> Aha, okay.
Apr 26 04:40:06 <dyoung> "super saver not available in HI"
Apr 26 04:40:06 <dyoung> bah.
Apr 26 04:40:13 <jf-work> rwhitby: how much is it in Australia ?
Apr 26 04:40:42 <dyoung> sounds like I might have to coerce ka6sox or jacques to help me with that.
Apr 26 04:42:05 <jf-work> dyoung: just locating... what's the full name for HI ?
Apr 26 04:42:22 <dyoung> US, state of Hawaii.
Apr 26 04:42:37 <dyoung> jf-work, I got my last 2 nslu2's for $80USD.
Apr 26 04:43:56 <jf-work> dyoung: your price are really good, and I hope I could take advantage on the $ vs euro rate... but only a few shop ships worldwide in US
Apr 26 04:44:21 <rwhitby> jf-work: that's why we have community members in the US :-)
Apr 26 04:44:35 <dyoung> heh, youre forgetting the nslu2 community.
Apr 26 04:45:21 <rwhitby> ka6sox's and dyoung's postmen know my address of by heart by now ....
Apr 26 04:45:37 <jf-work> the nslu2 communitty aldready makes a fabulous effort helping newbies... ;)
Apr 26 04:45:47 <jf-work> s/d/l
Apr 26 04:46:29 <dyoung> Where are you located jf-work?
Apr 26 04:46:38 <rwhitby> jf-work: what would you use a nslu2 for ?
Apr 26 04:47:00 <jf-work> in a smelling cheese country... France
Apr 26 04:47:09 <dyoung> What part?
Apr 26 04:47:50 <jf-work> dyoung: around the middle-east, near Lyon if you know
Apr 26 04:51:11 <rwhitby> lennert should have got his slug over the weekend ...
Apr 26 04:51:31 <dyoung> wow, only now?
Apr 26 04:51:50 <dyoung> cool, maybe he can help us work out that usb bit....
Apr 26 04:52:53 <rwhitby> jf-work: you didn't say what you would use an nslu2 for ....
Apr 26 04:53:15 <jf-work> don't know if this is session related or not but here is where I live (you can zoom on the left) : http://www3.mappy.com/sidLIUuZVvqgU7Mn21w/CFGMA?csl=m1&fsl=m1&gsl=m1&msl=m1&ids=&xsl=1&posl=poi&recherche=0&show_poi=0&poi_rr=0.5&poi_rx=0.6&poi_ry=0.5&lr=0.5&flash=1&gb=&out=2&wnm1=&wcm1=&nom1=&tnm1=cr%E8ches+sur+Saone&pcm1=71680&tcm1=&a10m1=&ccm1=250&brand=
Apr 26 05:01:32 <jf-work> rwhitby: I simply NEED it. Well, in fact, as it's based on libc and have more memory, it can help me running my home developped openldap address book which avoid my gf and me to have duplicated entry in our today separates NAB. 
Apr 26 05:15:56 <rwhitby> jf-work: send your address to dyoung and we will arrange for one to land on your doorstep
Apr 26 05:17:56 <rwhitby> a small thanks for taking on the role of package release manager.
Apr 26 05:18:09 <rwhitby> we will send one to jp30 too.  he needs a spare to test packages on
Apr 26 05:20:03 <dyoung> jf-work, I only have the 120V adapter though, will you able to get a 230V->5V OR 230V->120V adapter?
Apr 26 05:29:24 <rwhitby> ok, it's official now: see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/DonationList
Apr 26 05:31:52 <rwhitby> ka6sox got the one that was left over from the first donation round.  lennert got one cause a community member donated $150 specifically for that purpose, and jf and jp30 get the last two for their contributions to keeping the package feeds humming.
Apr 26 05:49:04 <rwhitby> jf-work, dyoung: did you sort out the address between the two of you ?
Apr 26 05:50:53 <rwhitby> jf-work: thanks for the donation - you didn't need to.
Apr 26 05:51:58 <jf-work> how much does it give ?
Apr 26 05:52:31 <rwhitby> 30 Euro, minus 1.37 Euro
Apr 26 05:54:40 <dyoung> okay I'm off the phone now.
Apr 26 05:54:47 <dyoung> No, we didnt sort that out yet.
Apr 26 05:55:04 <jf-work> sent you my postal address by mail.
Apr 26 05:55:18 <rwhitby> [g2]: g'day
Apr 26 05:55:33 <dyoung> okay thanks!
Apr 26 05:56:59 <jf-work> dyoung: you can keep the 120V adapter in spare for u or anyone else.
Apr 26 05:57:13 <jf-work> I will not use it
Apr 26 05:58:19 <dyoung> okay I'll just pack up the slug then.  I'll put unslung 4.15 on it first.
Apr 26 05:58:46 <[g2]> rwhitby, hello mate !
Apr 26 05:59:08 <dyoung> Its still talk like an australian day.
Apr 26 05:59:10 <dyoung> heh
Apr 26 05:59:13 <dyoung> ~emulate rwhitby
Apr 26 05:59:14 <jbot> Well, my work here is done.
Apr 26 05:59:31 <[g2]> nite dyoung-zzzz 
Apr 26 06:00:13 <dyoung-zzzz> nighty.
Apr 26 06:00:37 <rwhitby> night dyoung-zzzz - thanks for organising getting the slug to jean-fabrice
Apr 26 06:01:08 <rwhitby> dyoung: let me know the amount for the replacement and I'll paypal it across.
Apr 26 06:01:42 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay, you'll be paypalling it to ka6sox (assuming he agrees)
Apr 26 06:02:00 <dyoung-zzzz> so he can get then modify the special one for me.
Apr 26 06:02:32 <dyoung-zzzz> and hopefully we can jumpstart the bootloader for "large RAM" slugs.
Apr 26 06:02:51 <jf-work> 'night dyoung-zzzz
Apr 26 06:02:52 <rwhitby> cool - we'll sort it out with ka6sox later
Apr 26 06:03:02 <dyoung-zzzz> ~emulate ka6sox
Apr 26 06:03:20 <dyoung-zzzz> "Good Plan."
Apr 26 06:05:48 <jf-work> I will try to insatll it at the office and see how guys from here can be interested to play with it 
Apr 26 06:06:04 <jf-work> s/insatll/install
Apr 26 06:11:37 <rwhitby> jf-work: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/5866
Apr 26 06:14:58 <dyoung-zzzz> unslung-4.15 loaded.
Apr 26 06:15:27 <rwhitby> heh, so we can add jean-fabrice to the 4.x alpha testers list :-)
Apr 26 06:16:01 <dyoung-zzzz> heh.  Surely!
Apr 26 06:16:16 <dyoung-zzzz> we need to make him read the readme.
Apr 26 06:16:49 <rwhitby> he can do that when he updates it to 4.19-beta ....
Apr 26 06:20:56 <rwhitby> (assuming we've got a couple of small revisions before we go to beta)
Apr 26 06:35:40 <rwhitby> ok, now to write up the new 4.x features ....
Apr 26 06:49:35 <[g2]> rwhitby, is lennert running with a serial enabled slug ?
Apr 26 06:49:48 <rwhitby> he should be by now
Apr 26 06:50:00 <rwhitby> I think it arrived  yesterday
Apr 26 06:50:16 <[g2]> I got some interesting errors on a usb 2.0 hub last night
Apr 26 06:51:42 <[g2]> when I was plugging in either two ethernet adapters on the hub or an ethernet adapter and flash stick there were errors generated
Apr 26 06:52:18 <rwhitby> sounds like my "two serial cables and a bluetooth dongle" problem
Apr 26 06:52:34 <[g2]> I rebooted and didn't load the ixp4xx modules and when I plugged in the stuff on the hub I got a different but consistent error
Apr 26 06:53:15 <rwhitby> so you can report upstream?
Apr 26 06:55:34 <[g2]> I was looking at the code and googling before sending something to the arm linux ml
Apr 26 07:30:59 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3284 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/NOTES: Updated the ChangeLog in NOTES
Apr 26 07:31:31 <rwhitby> if anyone can think of things to add to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/UnslungFeatures then please do so ...
Apr 26 07:34:30 <rwhitby> night all
Apr 26 07:35:10 <jf-work> 'night rwhitby-asleep
Apr 26 07:37:48 <kaste> Good ugm morning everyone.
Apr 26 07:37:59 <rwhitby-asleep> g'day kaste
Apr 26 07:38:11 * ka6sox-zzzz feels invisible.
Apr 26 07:38:20 <kaste> jbot, seen Tiersten ?
Apr 26 07:38:21 <jbot> kaste: i haven't seen 'tiersten '
Apr 26 07:38:30 <kaste> jbot, seen Tiersten?
Apr 26 07:38:32 <jbot> tiersten <~tman@Tiersten.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 23h 47m 45s ago, saying: 'Night'.
Apr 26 07:39:01 <rwhitby-asleep> ka6sox-zzzz: did dyoung-zzzz talk to you about a new gadget purchase?
Apr 26 07:39:13 * ka6sox-zzzz has been reading the logs
Apr 26 07:39:26 <rwhitby-asleep> (heh, someone asleep talking to someone else asleep about someone else asleep)
Apr 26 07:39:37 <ka6sox-zzzz> Slug=>jf, wl => dyoung?
Apr 26 07:40:03 <rwhitby-asleep> dyoung is handling the slug=>jf, so wl+slug => dyoung
Apr 26 07:40:24 <rwhitby-asleep> did you get the slug from lonewolf?
Apr 26 07:40:30 <ka6sox-zzzz> I think dyoung's idea was that I would handle it all...iirc.
Apr 26 07:40:38 <ka6sox-zzzz> he will arrainge with me.
Apr 26 07:41:04 <ka6sox-zzzz> [06:01] 	<dyoung-zzzz>	Okay, you'll be paypalling it to ka6sox (assuming he agrees)
Apr 26 07:41:20 <rwhitby-asleep> dyoung is gonna send one of his with a coworker who is flying to france.  the payment is for a replacement for him.
Apr 26 07:41:31 <ka6sox-zzzz> got it.
Apr 26 07:41:38 <ka6sox-zzzz> hand carry.
Apr 26 07:41:44 <ka6sox-zzzz> then into the French post
Apr 26 07:41:48 <rwhitby-asleep> yep
Apr 26 07:42:01 <ka6sox-zzzz> sounds like a paln
Apr 26 07:42:03 <kaste> I'm looking for contact to Tiersten. Couldn't find him in my ml archive. Can you help?
Apr 26 07:42:14 <ka6sox-zzzz> yeah.
Apr 26 07:42:31 <kaste> (He was the one who updated the wiki software for nslu2-linux.org/wiki, right?)
Apr 26 07:42:36 <rwhitby-asleep> yep
Apr 26 07:42:41 <rwhitby-asleep> he and ka6sox
Apr 26 07:42:53 <ka6sox-zzzz> Tiersten is our man...
Apr 26 07:42:54 <ka6sox-zzzz> :)
Apr 26 07:42:58 <ka6sox-zzzz> is there a problem?
Apr 26 07:43:54 * rwhitby-asleep leaves kaste in ka6sox's capable hands and heads off to bed ...
Apr 26 07:44:03 <ka6sox-zzzz> nitey
Apr 26 07:44:17 <kaste> well, not a biggy ... I think the the info at the bottom might need tweaking: Last edited by xyz. Based on work by xyz. Originally by xyz.
Apr 26 07:44:29 <kaste> night, rwhitby!
Apr 26 07:44:57 <ka6sox-zzzz> url?
Apr 26 07:45:34 <kaste> I think the LastEdited and the OrginallyBy might need swapping. My example is http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AccessAndEditFilesOverTheInternet
Apr 26 07:46:05 <kaste> Psychodad.
Apr 26 07:46:27 <ka6sox-zzzz> okay did he start it?
Apr 26 07:46:29 <kaste> ... did the last edit. Page was created by me. The info it says is other way round, huh?
Apr 26 07:46:43 <rwhitby-asleep> no, he checked the "Minor edit" on the last change.
Apr 26 07:46:46 <kaste> you can compare against the history.
Apr 26 07:47:03 <ka6sox-zzzz> I see...okay let me look into the code and see what is happening.
Apr 26 07:47:08 <ka6sox-zzzz> (including history)
Apr 26 07:47:15 <rwhitby-asleep> actually, scratch that, kaste is right.
Apr 26 07:47:47 <rwhitby-asleep> ka6sox-zzzz: probably a skin thing
Apr 26 07:48:11 <ka6sox-zzzz> I was thinking about that too.
Apr 26 07:48:27 <rwhitby-asleep> ka6sox-zzzz: how is the wl-hdd performing?
Apr 26 07:48:43 <ka6sox-zzzz> just got Oleg's software installed
Apr 26 07:48:51 <ka6sox-zzzz> but it works nice
Apr 26 07:49:07 <ka6sox-zzzz> I need to get with jf and ask about certian packages.
Apr 26 07:49:24 <rwhitby-asleep> cool
Apr 26 07:49:26 <rwhitby-asleep> night
Apr 26 07:49:31 <ka6sox-zzzz> I've been testing my 6km path with it.
Apr 26 07:49:33 <jf-work> heared my nick ?
Apr 26 07:49:44 <ka6sox-zzzz> hi there jeanfabrice.
Apr 26 07:49:51 <jf-work> hi ka6sox-office
Apr 26 07:50:03 * jf-work is in a happy day
Apr 26 07:50:27 <ka6sox-zzzz> are you getting regular contributions from others or are you doing all the porting yourself?
Apr 26 07:51:19 <ka6sox-zzzz> kaste: please send a message to the list about this issue and lets see if I can get other examples of this problem?
Apr 26 07:51:29 <jf-work> for now, I do this alone. But I'm still learning so did not take the time to request for new contributors on chupa forum
Apr 26 07:52:25 <kaste> ka6sox-zzzz, sure.
Apr 26 07:52:39 <kaste> Psychodad.
Apr 26 07:53:00 <kaste> (sorry ... ctrl-v keeps playing tricks on me)
Apr 26 07:53:29 <kaste> while I'm here, I have another question: putting unslung 4.x on my second slug too, do I put another entry in the list of alpha testers?
Apr 26 07:53:30 <ka6sox-zzzz> kaste: thanks...I should find out if I just need to fix this page only or if there are others.
Apr 26 07:53:34 <kaste> or is that cheating?
Apr 26 07:53:46 <ka6sox-zzzz> only 1 per customer please.
Apr 26 07:53:47 <ka6sox-zzzz> :)
Apr 26 07:54:16 <ka6sox-zzzz> jf-work, ah...well your packages work. so asking for help at this time might be good.
Apr 26 07:54:58 <kaste> ok.
Apr 26 07:55:39 <ka6sox-zzzz> now if you made one OpenSlug then that would add you to that list :)
Apr 26 07:55:56 <jf-work> yep, I will post a thread on chupa. May I check before with antiloop to see if this is political compliant. Should be..
Apr 26 07:56:10 <kaste> ka6sox-zzzz, yes, but for that I would need to actually compile a firmware myself. *ashamed*
Apr 26 07:56:13 <ka6sox-zzzz> jf-work, I would think so.
Apr 26 07:56:36 <jf-work> btw, php-thttpd is still really crappy in it's download target. If s.o has knowledge on how to clean this...
Apr 26 07:56:43 <kaste> need to run now ... good ufg night everyone.
Apr 26 07:56:47 <ka6sox-zzzz> kaste, yeah...my setup is broken.
Apr 26 07:56:55 <ka6sox-zzzz> nite kaste
Apr 26 07:56:55 <kaste> I mean ugt....
Apr 26 07:57:11 <ka6sox-zzzz> jf-work, I've been reading that thread.
Apr 26 07:58:36 <ka6sox-zzzz> jf-work, I kinda wish we could have a wiki (if they wanted one) for the WL work.
Apr 26 07:58:42 <ka6sox-zzzz> maybe I could ask Oleg.
Apr 26 07:58:50 <ka6sox-zzzz> (or AntiLoop)
Apr 26 08:00:41 <jf-work> ka6sox-zzzz: why not. but the wl community is not big and wiki is time consuming. There's allready a wiki on chupa, but not well organized and up to date
Apr 26 08:00:57 <ka6sox-zzzz> oh...np then.
Apr 26 08:01:50 <jf-work> ka6sox-zzzz: however this is a good idea. maybe antiloop could be interested.
Apr 26 08:02:53 <ka6sox-zzzz> I should join the forum...I am using my WL-HDD for a 6km wireless link to feed a broadcast FM station.
Apr 26 08:04:51 <jf-work> and it WORKS ?!!
Apr 26 08:05:01 <ka6sox-zzzz> yes
Apr 26 08:05:07 <jf-work> nooo..
Apr 26 08:05:23 <ka6sox-zzzz> ????
Apr 26 08:05:47 <jf-work> what antenna do you have , did you increase the throughput power ?
Apr 26 08:06:51 <ka6sox-zzzz> 18dbi Blade on one end and 1.3m dish on the other end.
Apr 26 08:07:50 <jf-work> really impressive (for me)
Apr 26 08:08:27 <ka6sox-zzzz> I'm working on a 17km path next
Apr 26 08:10:01 <ka6sox-zzzz> I see kaste's bug that he just reported.
Apr 26 08:16:09 <ka6sox-away> jf-work, keep up the good work...I'm off to the mine.
Apr 26 08:19:58 <NAiL> Anyone tried soldering a usb-hub inside the slug? 
Apr 26 08:20:15 * NAiL is annoyed by having two small boxes on his desktop ;)
Apr 26 08:25:00 <ka6sox-away> NAiL, rwhitby glues his to the side of his slug.
Apr 26 08:26:40 <NAiL> ka6sox-away: Hmm... Almost elegant solution... I wonder if they can share the same power brick
Apr 26 08:28:01 <ka6sox-away> NAiL, depends on how much you need to power from the Hub
Apr 26 08:28:18 <NAiL> nah... I'll have to go home and crack open my hub to see, I guess ;)
Apr 26 08:28:34 <ka6sox-away> :)
Apr 26 08:34:24 <ka6sox-away> off to work...cya later
Apr 26 10:17:47 <jipi> hi folks, what to do if i cannot get bitkeeper now? how can i have a toolchain to build openslug or unslung?
Apr 26 10:24:55 <[g2]-away> jipi the svn snapshot of bitbake and a tarball of the exported OE directory pretty much builds unslung and openslug from a knoppix livecd
Apr 26 10:25:39 <[g2]-away> the only thing missing was a little tool that was used to build cpio last I checked and an apt-get solves that problem
Apr 26 10:25:51 <jipi> tarball of exported OE directory. where can i get that?
Apr 26 10:26:16 <[g2]-away> anybody that has a tree and export to a directory 
Apr 26 10:26:25 <[g2]-away> and bit keeper obviously
Apr 26 10:26:44 <[g2]-away> there may be snapshots of OE also
Apr 26 10:27:09 <jipi> ok i'll try  a search
Apr 26 10:27:13 <jipi> thanks
Apr 26 10:27:20 <jipi> but wait.. do i need bitkeeper?
Apr 26 10:28:00 <[g2]-away> jipi I just asked in #oe
Apr 26 10:28:16 <[g2]-away> that's the whole point, you'd have a snapshot
Apr 26 10:28:41 <[g2]-away> you wouldn't need bk at that point, but obviously you'd lose the SCM aspect of tracking all the changes
Apr 26 10:30:15 <jipi> g2: i just need a snapshot for a start. i can track the changes a few months later when i've digested it.
Apr 26 10:31:25 <[g2]-away> well it's like drinking from a firehose
Apr 26 10:31:47 <[g2]-away> I doubt that you'll digest it in that sense but you can get more up-to-speed
Apr 26 10:32:05 * [g2]-away has been attempting to drink from the firehose too much :)
Apr 26 10:32:47 <jipi> g2: haha... ok i understand. i'm just trying to see what changes had occurred since i touched oe 2-3 yrs ago.
Apr 26 10:33:15 <jipi> it seems to be humongous now.. the tree
Apr 26 10:33:20 <[g2]-away> probably tens of thousands
Apr 26 10:34:24 <[g2]-away> 8357 change sets in the last 2 years http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded
Apr 26 10:36:03 <jipi> phew
Apr 26 10:36:08 <[g2]-away> <hrw> [g2]-away: you can get oz-3.5.3 export from openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/sdk/
Apr 26 10:36:24 <[g2]-away> that's a oz snapshot of the full tree
Apr 26 10:36:24 <jipi> thanks!
Apr 26 10:36:40 <[g2]-away> go thank hrw in #oe :)
Apr 26 10:45:12 <CIA-8> 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/cyrus-imapd.mk: cyrus-imapd.mk generates control files; first steps for cross-compilation.
Apr 26 10:46:16 <CIA-8> 03ptweety * 10unslung/sources/cyrus-imapd/cyrus.cross.patch: first steps for cross-compilation.
Apr 26 10:47:07 <CIA-8> 03ptweety * 10unslung/sources/cyrus-imapd/ (control control-devel control-doc): control files now generated
Apr 26 10:48:11 <pTweety> cyrus-imapd compiles cross for me, but lacks perl support when doing so :-(
Apr 26 10:48:36 <pTweety> have to think about spliting it into a native and a cross part
Apr 26 10:49:11 <pTweety> any recommendations concerning this?
Apr 26 11:32:36 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: procmail ready for cross testing
Apr 26 12:02:30 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (libesmtp.mk esmtp.mk): libesmtp, esmtp: strip binaries; avoid linking with host libesmtp
Apr 26 12:06:54 <jp30-work> jf-work, ping?
Apr 26 12:09:43 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote byrequest, esmtp, libesmtp; demote php-thttpd
Apr 26 12:50:34 <jp30-work> jeanfabrice, i had some trouble building php-thttpd
Apr 26 13:02:41 <[g2]-away> how well does apache-php run on the slug ?
Apr 26 13:02:49 <[g2]-away> I thought the 32MB was an issue
Apr 26 13:08:24 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: hi
Apr 26 13:08:46 <jeanfabrice> well, the package is not really  clean
Apr 26 13:08:57 <jeanfabrice> what sort of problem ?
Apr 26 13:10:24 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work : btw, did you read the past log. In fact, php-thttpd doesn't (humm I couldn't make it to) compile with thread-safe enable (speaking of the thttpd par of php-thttpd)
Apr 26 13:11:43 <jeanfabrice> so, rwhitby-asleep thought we could have php-apache for slugs (using a thread-saf enable php) and php-thttpd for wl500g  (using a non thread-safe php)
Apr 26 13:12:07 <jeanfabrice> So I made conditional modification on php.mk
Apr 26 13:37:10 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: ping
Apr 26 13:38:32 <jp30-work> jeanfabrice, pong
Apr 26 13:39:03 <jp30-work> ...ok, i see the problem
Apr 26 13:39:41 <jp30-work> unfortunately whether php is thread-safe or not changes the ABI of php extensions
Apr 26 13:40:55 <jp30-work> actually, apache doesn't need a thread-safe php yet - i was hoping to move towards building apache with the worker MPM
Apr 26 13:41:51 <jeanfabrice> Maybe there's a way to build thttpd with php thread safe but I didn't find it
Apr 26 13:43:00 <jp30-work> hmm... i'll take a look
Apr 26 13:43:44 <jeanfabrice> Was it the issue you get ?
Apr 26 13:43:51 <jp30-work> yes
Apr 26 13:44:29 <jeanfabrice> error on tsrm ?
Apr 26 13:45:27 <jp30-work> here's the error:
Apr 26 13:45:30 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c: In function `thttpd_request_dtor':
Apr 26 13:45:30 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c:472: warning: passing arg 1 of `free' discards qualifiers from pointer target type
Apr 26 13:45:30 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c:485:2: #error No thread primitives available
Apr 26 13:45:30 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c: In function `worker_thread':
Apr 26 13:45:30 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c:613: error: `tsrm_ls' undeclared (first use in this function)
Apr 26 13:45:32 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c:613: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
Apr 26 13:45:34 <jp30-work> php_thttpd.c:613: error: for each function it appears in.)
Apr 26 13:45:36 <jp30-work> make[1]: *** [php_thttpd.o] Error 1
Apr 26 13:45:38 <jp30-work> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/unslung/packages/builds/php-thttpd'
Apr 26 13:45:40 <jp30-work> make: *** [/home/unslung/packages/builds/php-thttpd/.built] Error 2
Apr 26 13:46:44 <jeanfabrice> I was able to pass this error (line 613) by making a call to TSRMLS_FETCH() just before
Apr 26 13:47:31 <jeanfabrice> and commenting line 485. 
Apr 26 13:48:16 <jeanfabrice> but next, built php_thttpd.o cannot resolve some needed functions
Apr 26 13:49:11 <jp30-work> jf, i need to get some work done right now. i'll experiment a bit later and get back to you
Apr 26 13:49:47 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: ok
Apr 26 13:49:57 <jeanfabrice> thank you for your help
Apr 26 14:04:30 <jf-asleep> goodnight
Apr 26 15:02:23 <rwhitby-asleep> jp30-work: you needed a spare slug, right?
Apr 26 15:19:23 <jp30-work> hi, rwhitby; yes, i'm grateful. a pleasant surprise to come back to after being away from irc over the weekend
Apr 26 15:21:49 <rwhitby> can you purchase one yourself?
Apr 26 15:22:00 <rwhitby> and we paypal you the cost?
Apr 26 15:22:35 <rwhitby> it's a token thanks for all the effort you and jf are putting in on keeping our feeds humming
Apr 26 15:22:40 <dyoung-zzzz> VoodooZ around?
Apr 26 15:23:06 <rwhitby> dyoung-zzzz: is the cunning plan going to plan (re france) ?
Apr 26 15:23:40 <dyoung-zzzz> I have it in a small box with the right address.  so I just need to do some begging and it should be done.
Apr 26 15:24:09 <jp30-work> rwhitby, i don't have a paypal acct; any other options?
Apr 26 15:27:50 <rwhitby> we could ask ka6sox-away nicely to buy one and post it to you ?
Apr 26 15:28:25 <rwhitby> (or ka6sox-office probably by now)
Apr 26 15:32:12 <jp30-work> that could work out ok, if ka6sox is willing
Apr 26 15:32:59 <rwhitby> ka6sox is always very helpful to us.  He truly is a man among men.
Apr 26 15:33:06 <rwhitby> ~praise kasox
Apr 26 15:33:09 <jbot> All hail kasox!
Apr 26 15:33:16 <rwhitby> ka6sox even ...
Apr 26 15:51:50 * ka6sox-office looks to see if he is wearing boots.
Apr 26 15:53:20 <ka6sox-office> nope..no boots.
Apr 26 16:34:51 <nettie> Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone have a small toolchain to build a very small uclibc based squashfs firmware please?
Apr 26 16:41:28 <NAiL> small toolchain? No. Toolchain able to build uclibc squashfs firmware, yes.
Apr 26 16:42:34 <NAiL> There's docs in the wiki describing how to set it up
Apr 26 16:42:57 <NAiL> I've built a firmware img using uClibc, and it works (albeit with a few odd bugs)
Apr 26 16:43:13 <NAiL> Right now I'm using glibc again though
Apr 26 16:43:34 <nettie> I see
Apr 26 16:43:47 <NAiL> The space savings aren't that huge anyways
Apr 26 16:44:22 <NAiL> (Still waiting for "du" to finish telling me how large my toolchain is)
Apr 26 16:44:44 <nettie> well customizing busybox and removing some stuff I think I can have a few megs free ;)
Apr 26 16:45:02 <nettie> I hope you have a very small box then ;)
Apr 26 16:45:03 <nettie> eheh
Apr 26 16:45:07 <nettie> ahem
Apr 26 16:45:07 <nettie> slow
Apr 26 16:45:32 <NAiL> It's an AMD XP 2000+, with 1280mb ram, so... no.. not exactly slow ;)
Apr 26 16:45:33 <NAiL> 8346972 openslug
Apr 26 16:45:33 <nettie> what kind of bugs you encounted? and what kernel branch you used?
Apr 26 16:45:56 <nettie> is that 8 gigs?
Apr 26 16:46:00 <NAiL> yup
Apr 26 16:46:05 <NAiL> That's with everything built
Apr 26 16:46:09 <NAiL> packages and stuff
Apr 26 16:46:10 <nettie> damn you're kidding ;)
Apr 26 16:46:13 <NAiL> nope :P
Apr 26 16:46:20 <nettie> you built the whole internet dont you ? :)
Apr 26 16:46:35 <nettie> doh!
Apr 26 16:46:37 <NAiL> Yep... I'm fitting it all in my slugs 4mb flash ;)
Apr 26 16:46:58 <NAiL> Anyways, it seems uClibc has a stat-bug, so ls and du are acting up
Apr 26 16:47:10 <NAiL> du always reports 0 size
Apr 26 16:47:15 <nettie> IF I'll be able to have a minimal os with 2mb free I'll be very happy ;)
Apr 26 16:47:26 <nettie> uhmm
Apr 26 16:47:32 <NAiL> I'd be very interested in hearing about that :)
Apr 26 16:48:11 <nettie> how much space you had left? 
Apr 26 16:48:26 <nettie> I'm sure you also built with -Os
Apr 26 16:48:39 <NAiL> Think I ended up with around 1.2mb or thereabouts
Apr 26 16:48:51 <nettie> doh! that' incredibly sad
Apr 26 16:48:55 <[g2]> nettie, what kernel do you want to run with 2.4 or 2.6 ?
Apr 26 16:48:56 <nettie> that's
Apr 26 16:49:10 <nettie> [g2] I'm pretty open .. 
Apr 26 16:49:11 <NAiL> No, I didn't. But by the time I figured that out, I didn't bother recompiling the whole shebang
Apr 26 16:49:26 <nettie> well -Os doed helps sometimes
Apr 26 16:49:37 <NAiL> Yeah, I know :)
Apr 26 16:49:38 <nettie> did you at least stripped the binz :)
Apr 26 16:49:43 <NAiL> of course ;)
Apr 26 16:49:46 <nettie> eheh
Apr 26 16:49:46 <[g2]> nettie, what apps do you want to run ?
Apr 26 16:49:54 <nettie> [g2] well
Apr 26 16:49:58 <nettie> freeradius
Apr 26 16:50:11 <nettie> and please dont shoot on me: ASTERISK :)
Apr 26 16:50:14 <NAiL> I think I set a new record though... First time I compiled the samba binaries (Samba 3.0.13), smbd weighted in at ~48mb ;)
Apr 26 16:50:24 <nettie> ahah
Apr 26 16:50:32 <NAiL> Didn't somebody build asterisk already?
Apr 26 16:50:43 <nettie> you built -Oihave5terasfree
Apr 26 16:50:47 <[g2]> NAiL, I think there was at least one build
Apr 26 16:51:04 <NAiL> nettie: Anyways, you can check bug #90 for info on the stat bug
Apr 26 16:51:10 <nettie> thanx
Apr 26 16:51:22 <[g2]> nettie, so freeradius and asterisk on uclibc
Apr 26 16:51:25 <NAiL> bug #90
Apr 26 16:51:35 <[g2]> asterisk requires some sound dev right ?
Apr 26 16:51:37 <nettie> anyway I'm still in the hope that with uClibc and -Os I'll finally be able to run it
Apr 26 16:51:47 <nettie> [g2] it's not a requirement
Apr 26 16:51:51 <NAiL> hmm... doesn't jbot respond to bug-stuff?
Apr 26 16:52:04 <nettie> [g2] if you have it it's definitley better
Apr 26 16:52:29 <[g2]> I don't have it, but I've got a native compile environ some most things can build there
Apr 26 16:52:48 <nettie> [g2] if you dont I think it just works w/o voice features
Apr 26 16:52:52 <[g2]> having most things in OE is more optimal, but more work somethimes
Apr 26 16:53:02 <[g2]> nettie, dunno
Apr 26 16:53:13 <[g2]> there's lots of stuff I'm trying and learning about
Apr 26 16:53:21 <nettie> [g2] I'm pretty new to asterisk too I knew it since a long time but I never looked into ;)
Apr 26 16:53:41 <nettie> [g2] yeah that's the problem.. I have some wrts too
Apr 26 16:53:45 <[g2]> ebtables, nf-bridge and iptables on the slug with 3 ethernet interfaces are the task of the day
Apr 26 16:53:55 <nettie> this stull is cool but.. damn .. takes time
Apr 26 16:54:17 <nettie> [g2] using usb net adapters?
Apr 26 16:54:23 <[g2]> yup, just like most things in life
Apr 26 16:54:26 <[g2]> sure
Apr 26 16:54:28 <[g2]> usbnet
Apr 26 16:54:42 <nettie> [g2] go buy a wrt54gs ;)
Apr 26 16:54:45 <nettie> eheh
Apr 26 16:54:58 <[g2]> nettie I'm the pin-short guy
Apr 26 16:55:10 <nettie> damn, you're loaded then :)
Apr 26 16:55:14 <[g2]> it was post 17 on openwrt iirc
Apr 26 16:55:30 <[g2]> that was *so* 14 months ago
Apr 26 16:55:45 <[g2]> seems more like a lifetime with nslu2-linux :)
Apr 26 16:56:25 <nettie> eheh
Apr 26 16:56:54 <[g2]> I'll be back later
Apr 26 16:57:02 <nettie> NAiL you said that the toolchain info is in the wike right? 
Apr 26 16:57:05 <[g2]> do you know if freeradius is in oe ?
Apr 26 16:57:14 <nettie> no idea
Apr 26 16:57:38 <nettie> I used oe a bit but for what I'm trying to do it's just like learn another OS
Apr 26 16:57:45 <NAiL> nettie: Yeah, check http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded/HomePage
Apr 26 16:58:10 <nettie> takes too much time ..or maybe it's just me 
Apr 26 16:58:54 <nettie> does anything is gonna change after the bk stuff?
Apr 26 17:19:21 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (php-apache.mk php-thttpd.mk): build fixes to php-apache; stop php-thttpd downloading multiple copies of the php sources
Apr 26 17:38:27 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php-apache.mk: put back PHP_APACHE_VERSION; PHP_VERSION cannot occur in targets in php-apache.mk
Apr 26 17:47:14 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/byrequest.mk: byrequest: consistent ipk version number
Apr 26 17:57:06 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote getmail, procmail, mod-python, py-mx-base, py-mysql, py-psycopg
Apr 26 18:23:30 <linoxx> whenever i boot up my nslu2, the ready/status light is orange and it doesn't have any ip address
Apr 26 18:23:48 <linoxx> i had flashed it with the unslug firmware and had rebooted it multiple times and it worked fine then
Apr 26 18:28:05 <dyoung-web> morning.
Apr 26 18:28:17 <linoxx> lo.
Apr 26 18:28:58 <dyoung-web> rwhitby-away, My mule doesnt have space.  I'll send it conventional Intl Priority.
Apr 26 18:31:08 <dyoung-web> [g2]
Apr 26 18:33:11 <linoxx> dyoung-web, would you happen to know what it means when the orange status light is continually glowing on the slug
Apr 26 18:33:20 <linoxx> and not to mention, when it doesn't get an ip
Apr 26 18:34:38 <[g2]> dyoung-web, hello
Apr 26 18:46:06 <dyoung-web> hi
Apr 26 18:46:15 <dyoung-web> orange light constant on is redboot.
Apr 26 18:46:46 <linoxx> dyoung-web, so redboot has a problem? :X
Apr 26 18:47:08 <dyoung-web> what did you do before the problem popped up
Apr 26 18:47:15 <dyoung-web> its usually means a bad flash
Apr 26 18:47:22 <linoxx> well i had rebooted a bunch of times
Apr 26 18:47:38 <linoxx> i had taken it over to a friend's house
Apr 26 18:47:41 <linoxx> after it had been working
Apr 26 18:47:48 <linoxx> booted it up - i get orange light
Apr 26 18:48:48 <dyoung-web> fw version?
Apr 26 18:49:24 <linoxx> it was unslug
Apr 26 18:50:04 <linoxx> i think 3.17 beta
Apr 26 18:50:57 <linoxx> checked the wiki, but didn't find anyting about the orange glow
Apr 26 18:51:01 <linoxx> that's why i came
Apr 26 18:56:05 <jacques> I don't suppose you have a serial port on it?
Apr 26 18:56:18 <[g2]> or JTAG hooked up :)
Apr 26 18:56:32 <linoxx> jacques, no
Apr 26 18:56:39 <linoxx> [g2], ohh boy this doesn't sound good
Apr 26 18:56:55 <[g2]> linoxx, I'm just joking
Apr 26 18:57:05 <[g2]> have you tried the redboot telnet in ?
Apr 26 18:57:20 <jacques> d`oh I always forget about the redboot telnet
Apr 26 18:57:29 <jacques> that's definitely the first thing to try
Apr 26 18:57:29 <linoxx> [g2], i ran this: nmap -sP -T5 192.168.0.* to see if the ip was on the network
Apr 26 18:57:31 <linoxx> i didn't see it
Apr 26 18:57:44 <jacques> 192.168.1.77 isn't it ?
Apr 26 18:57:56 <dyoung-web> linoxx: you had the misfortune of finding 3 out of 5 guys that have actually used JTAG on the thing.
Apr 26 18:58:12 <linoxx> :XXXXXXXX
Apr 26 18:58:14 <dyoung-web> jacques: redboot GDB Debug address is 192.168.0.1
Apr 26 18:58:30 <jacques> ah ok sorry for spreading misinformation
Apr 26 18:58:35 <[g2]> and setup the MAC addr for the box so no need to ARP
Apr 26 18:58:36 <linoxx> so i have to use route-add or whatever it was to get to the thing?
Apr 26 18:58:59 <dyoung-web> easier IMHO to setup a alias for the interface.
Apr 26 18:59:03 <jacques> dyoung-web, lol I just read "linoxx: you had the misfortune of finding 3 out of 5 guys that have actually used JTAG on the thing."
Apr 26 18:59:06 * linoxx thanks god he has two routers
Apr 26 18:59:31 <[g2]> I think any ethernet cable will do
Apr 26 18:59:46 <[g2]> the slug is auto sensing right ?
Apr 26 18:59:46 <dyoung-web> :-)
Apr 26 19:00:04 <[g2]> or all my hubs are :)
Apr 26 19:00:17 <linoxx> dyoung-web, how do you setup the alias to it?
Apr 26 19:00:36 <dyoung-web> ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.10 
Apr 26 19:00:38 <dyoung-web> for instance.
Apr 26 19:00:43 <dyoung-web> (assuming you re running linux)
Apr 26 19:01:06 <dyoung-web> under windows; just press the "add" button for IP address in the TCP/IP tab in the network setup for the interface
Apr 26 19:01:08 <Tiersten> [g2]: Yeah.  It seems to be auto MDI/MDIX
Apr 26 19:01:18 <linoxx> dyoung-web, ah
Apr 26 19:01:27 <dyoung-web> hehe and now another JTAG guy shows up. ;-)
Apr 26 19:01:35 <linoxx> dyoung-web, is it safe to do under a wireless connection?
Apr 26 19:01:59 <dyoung-web> I would use a wired connection myself.... but I suppose it ought to work....
Apr 26 19:03:27 <linoxx> dyoung-web, i hate to ask too many questions, but is 192.168.0.10 in your example the ip of the slug?
Apr 26 19:03:52 <Tiersten> No guarantees about what happens if the wireless connection craps out half way through though
Apr 26 19:03:53 <dyoung-web> the slug is SET at 192.168.0.1; the example above is to make your linux box appear on the same network.
Apr 26 19:04:01 <dyoung-web> (as .10)
Apr 26 19:04:26 <dyoung-web> (but thats a shot in the dark without knowing anything about your network setup)
Apr 26 19:05:00 * linoxx switches over to wired connection
Apr 26 19:06:38 <linoxx> one sec, i have to disconnect
Apr 26 19:09:48 <linoxx_> allright back
Apr 26 19:12:37 <linoxx_> i set up the alias, but wonder how good it will do due to the fact my router is 192.168.0.1
Apr 26 19:13:31 <jacques> :-\
Apr 26 19:13:39 <linoxx_> luckily i have 2 routers
Apr 26 19:14:17 <linoxx_> so, guess i need to move this over....
Apr 26 19:14:18 <linoxx_> heh
Apr 26 19:14:25 <linoxx_> be right back
Apr 26 19:15:38 <dyoung-web> that may be a problem eh.
Apr 26 19:15:42 <jacques> yeah
Apr 26 19:17:01 <linoxx_> ookay
Apr 26 19:17:31 <linoxx_> woot now no more seting aliases up
Apr 26 19:18:32 <linoxx_> now its just flashing green
Apr 26 19:20:21 <dyoung-web> have you tried reflashing it yet?
Apr 26 19:21:19 <jacques> flashing green is better than solid orange
Apr 26 19:21:47 <dyoung-web> oh yea, sorry I didnt read that properly.
Apr 26 19:21:50 <linoxx_> i'm about to try that right now
Apr 26 19:22:06 <dyoung-web> flashing green means its probably booting.
Apr 26 19:22:27 <dyoung-web> are there disks attached right now?
Apr 26 19:22:37 <linoxx_> its been doing that for a while now, and no there aren't any
Apr 26 19:24:11 <dyoung-web> I see.  I suppose you already found http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverFromABadFlash ?
Apr 26 19:29:56 <dyoung-web> so guys., on that page someone added something on the bottom today.  
Apr 26 19:30:11 <dyoung-web> How does one "accidentally" overwrite the MAC address like that?
Apr 26 19:31:06 <Tiersten> Yep.  I was wondering that
Apr 26 19:31:35 <Tiersten> I guess you could have written something which flipped all those bits... Bit of an odd thing to do
Apr 26 19:31:56 <dyoung-web> unless he was messing around with assign mode.
Apr 26 19:33:12 <Tiersten> you'd end up with garbage though
Apr 26 19:33:52 <Tiersten> you can't flip a bit back to 1 so you'd end up with some odd address
Apr 26 19:35:18 <dyoung-web> hmm
Apr 26 19:35:26 <dyoung-web> Very Odd.
Apr 26 20:09:17 <Christopher> anyone remember why freeradius is in the needs to be worked on list?
Apr 26 20:09:34 <Christopher> It just built for me
Apr 26 20:14:59 <dyoung-web> Christopher, ask jp30.
Apr 26 20:15:16 <dyoung-web> <Christopher> anyone remember why freeradius is in the needs to be worked on list?
Apr 26 20:15:33 <jp30> nope, before my time, i think
Apr 26 20:15:39 <dyoung-web> Hmm
Apr 26 20:15:54 <dyoung-web> In that case, No idea. 
Apr 26 20:16:08 <jp30> i'll take a look and see if anything obvious is wrong with it
Apr 26 20:20:51 <Christopher> k, thanks
Apr 26 20:21:23 <jp30> Christopher, i've looked and have some build errors
Apr 26 20:22:25 <jp30> In file included from sql_mysql.c:44:
Apr 26 20:22:25 <jp30> ../../rlm_sql.h:15:25: ltdl.h: No such file or directory
Apr 26 20:22:26 <jp30> In file included from sql_mysql.c:44:
Apr 26 20:22:28 <jp30> ../../rlm_sql.h:68: error: parse error before "lt_dlhandle"
Apr 26 20:22:30 <jp30> .
Apr 26 20:23:20 <jp30> ltdl.h and "lt_dlhandle" refer to bits of libtool... libtool is being staged ok, so it must be a matter of missing CPPFLAGS
Apr 26 20:23:25 <Christopher> hmm, maybe i need to compile mysql and then freeradius
Apr 26 20:23:43 <Christopher> i probably need to make it so it doesn't enable the mysql support
Apr 26 20:24:03 <jp30> if that's the case, then freeradius is broken, since it would need to stage mysql
Apr 26 20:24:17 <jp30> it dates from before there was a mysql package in unslung anyway
Apr 26 20:24:27 <Christopher> right
Apr 26 20:24:32 <jp30> my guess is that it is getting confused by a host mysql install
Apr 26 20:24:46 <jp30> are you edmondsc by any chance?
Apr 26 20:24:49 <Christopher> yeah, i'm thinking about telling it not to compile in mysql support
Apr 26 20:24:52 <Christopher> yep
Apr 26 20:24:59 <jp30> ah
Apr 26 20:25:06 <Christopher> sorry
Apr 26 20:25:27 <Christopher> I use christopher here because that's who i've been in the channel
Apr 26 20:25:43 <jp30> s'ok. i don't know anything about radius - you can have it depend on mysql if that makes sense
Apr 26 20:26:05 <Christopher> yeah, it can use it, but it doesn't have to
Apr 26 20:26:12 <Christopher> I'll mess with it and see what's best
Apr 26 20:26:22 <Christopher> thanks for the information
Apr 26 20:26:46 <jp30> good; move it to READY_FOR_TESTING when you want me to try building it on the official build system
Apr 26 20:26:59 <Christopher-bbl> alright
Apr 26 20:44:33 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-zzzz: yeah, intl priority is probably easier than finding someone in EU to buy and send it
Apr 26 20:46:34 <rwhitby-web> linoxx__: did you get your slug working again?
Apr 26 20:47:14 <rwhitby-web> nettie: re bk: we'll move to whatever openembedded moves too.  I hope they move to cogito :-)
Apr 26 20:48:19 <rwhitby-web> jp30: did you sort out the slug purchase with ka6sox?
Apr 26 20:50:40 <jp30> nope, haven't talked to him yet
Apr 26 20:54:32 <rwhitby-web> ok, just ask him directly, I'm sure he'll be happy to help out :-)
Apr 26 20:54:47 <rwhitby-web> and he'll just send me the bill :-)
Apr 26 20:57:10 <jp30> ok, i'll send him an email
Apr 26 20:57:52 <jp30> jf tells me thttpd doesn't like thread-safe php - he seems to be right
Apr 26 20:58:07 <rwhitby-web> yeah, what do you think we should do about this?
Apr 26 20:58:30 <rwhitby-web> I'd like to be able to have thttpd and apache both running on the slug at the same time, and both sharing the php.mk package
Apr 26 20:58:50 <rwhitby-web> which means "dumbing down" apache to not use the thread-safe stuff
Apr 26 20:58:54 <jp30> well, we can do that - we just can't have apache worker MPM
Apr 26 20:59:22 <rwhitby-web> that's apache threads, right?  which will dramatically save memory usage?
Apr 26 20:59:52 <rwhitby-web> the trouble is that I think I want that too :-)
Apr 26 20:59:53 <jp30> that's right. experiments with mediawiki suggest that real php apps will be swap-bound w/ prefork
Apr 26 21:00:44 <jp30> by paring down apache and using worker, i was just about able to run mediawiki with no swap
Apr 26 21:00:54 <rwhitby-web> are we destined to emit two ipks (one ts, and one not) for all php-related packages?
Apr 26 21:01:04 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-web: speak of the angel
Apr 26 21:01:32 <ka6sox-web> uh oh...I stepped in it now!
Apr 26 21:01:55 <jp30> well, i wanted to look at how well mediawiki and phpmyadmin work with thttpd... perhaps we could give up on apache
Apr 26 21:01:59 <ka6sox-web> how many slugs/wiley's?
Apr 26 21:02:17 <jp30> wileys?
Apr 26 21:02:35 <rwhitby-web> one wiley deluxe for dyoung, one slug for dyoung (to replace jf's slug) and one slug for jp30.
Apr 26 21:02:39 <jp30> ah
Apr 26 21:02:59 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-web: that name's gonna stick.
Apr 26 21:03:22 <ka6sox-web> I like my Hard Wiley
Apr 26 21:03:24 <rwhitby-web> I'll see if Oleg wants to call his firmware "Wiley" :-)
Apr 26 21:03:39 <rwhitby-web> Unslung/Wiley
Apr 26 21:03:46 <ka6sox-web> Wiley Coyote
Apr 26 21:04:08 <ka6sox-web> okay so 2 slugs and 1 Wiley Delux
Apr 26 21:04:36 <rwhitby-web> yep, and jp30 will contact you direct for shipping details.  Send the bill for the slugs and shipping to me.
Apr 26 21:05:08 <jp30> ka6sox, shall i email you my postal address to tking at users.sf?
Apr 26 21:05:28 <ka6sox-web> ka6sox@gmail.com
Apr 26 21:07:21 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-web: so the hard wiley is working well?
Apr 26 21:07:50 <rwhitby-web> My mini wiley should arrive in the next couple of days
Apr 26 21:08:10 <ka6sox-web> yeah. working fine at 6kms...soon to test at 17kms
Apr 26 21:08:36 <rwhitby-web> nice.  did it recognise the usb audio out of the box?
Apr 26 21:09:01 <ka6sox-web> no...I used the stuff from jf/rpedde
Apr 26 21:09:04 <peteru-home> rwhitby-web: Did you end up making an .bb for the toppy specific library/ftpd?
Apr 26 21:09:23 <ka6sox-web> beewoolie-away: bad addy for you.
Apr 26 21:09:24 <jp30> ka6sox-web, email on its way. thanks!
Apr 26 21:09:28 <ka6sox-web> came back.
Apr 26 21:09:51 <beewoolie-away> ka6sox-away: Oh really?  What did you use?
Apr 26 21:09:52 <rwhitby-web> jp30: I couldn't get OpenShowCenter to work on thttpd, so I went back to Apache.  Will test again tonight.  We need to do the alternatives thing for the htpasswd executable.  Do you know how to do that?
Apr 26 21:10:03 <rwhitby-web> peteru-home: nope, just Unslung.
Apr 26 21:10:16 <ka6sox-web> let me look at my gmail account again.
Apr 26 21:10:29 <peteru-home> rwhitby-web: What's the unslung package called?
Apr 26 21:10:36 <ka6sox-web> I have a new Slug here...
Apr 26 21:10:39 <rwhitby-web> ftpd-topfield and libtopfield
Apr 26 21:10:49 <peteru-home> thank you
Apr 26 21:10:53 <ka6sox-web> Sound Slug...only one problem...Slugs cant' hear!
Apr 26 21:11:12 <beewoolie-away> They can feel the vibe.
Apr 26 21:11:16 <rwhitby-web> if you give them a brain transplant they can ...
Apr 26 21:11:27 <jacques> if a slug falls in the forrest...
Apr 26 21:11:36 <jacques> forest
Apr 26 21:11:38 <jp30> rwhitby, i noticed the problem with htpasswd; what do you mean by "the alternatives thing"?
Apr 26 21:12:28 <rwhitby-web> jp30: you have multiple htpasswd exes (in different spots), and then use the alternatives support to automatically do the symlinks based on package priorities
Apr 26 21:13:28 <jp30> this sounds like a feature of ipkg i wasn't aware of.
Apr 26 21:14:15 <rwhitby-web> http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/4/0441.html
Apr 26 21:16:47 <jp30> thanks, i'll study that, looks like it is the solution to htpasswd issue. are we using it for any other unslung packages yet?
Apr 26 21:17:28 <rwhitby-web> no, we were considering using it for busybox vs coreutils and stuff like that, but decided that those really should be incompatible
Apr 26 21:18:29 <jp30> how about coreutils vs. procps?
Apr 26 21:18:33 <rwhitby-web> whereas having both thttpd and apache installed does make sense, and they just both happen to supply htpasswd
Apr 26 21:19:17 <rwhitby-web> could probably use alternatives for procps vs coreutils
Apr 26 21:20:57 <jp30> ok, i'll look into it. i want to solve the threads problem first, as it is preventing me pushing other stuff to the feeds at the mo.
Apr 26 21:22:05 <rwhitby-web> jp30: cool
Apr 26 21:22:12 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-web: we need this: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/
Apr 26 21:22:37 <rwhitby-web> jp30: so do we need to go for two ipks emitted from php packages?
Apr 26 21:23:46 <ka6sox-web> rwhitby-web : okay I can support that.
Apr 26 21:23:54 <ka6sox-web> let me see what it takes to get that going.
Apr 26 21:24:08 <jp30> seems to me if we had to have php and php-threadsafe, we might as well abandon the idea of building php seperately from the web servers
Apr 26 21:24:15 <ka6sox-web> Tiersten fixed a bug in the wiki software.
Apr 26 21:25:06 <rwhitby-web> jp30: what about extensions - we'd still need two sets of them too, right?
Apr 26 21:26:19 <jp30> the php extensions we have at the moment are all parts of the php distribution. if we didn't have a standalone php, they would end up built into the web servers too (or in the case of apache, built into mod_php)
Apr 26 21:31:16 <rwhitby-web> but still as dynamic linked libraries, right>
Apr 26 21:31:18 <rwhitby-web> ?
Apr 26 21:32:35 <jp30> they could be, if we wanted. have to have two sets though
Apr 26 21:33:05 <rwhitby-web> I think we always want them to be, so people can decide not to load some extensions to same RAM
Apr 26 21:33:27 <rwhitby-web> can we get a single php.mk to emit two sets of ipks?
Apr 26 21:35:00 <jp30> that sounds like the php-nothreads / php-threads proposal... ?
Apr 26 21:35:23 <jp30> maybe it would be worth enumerating the options
Apr 26 21:35:57 <jp30> i can think of about 4
Apr 26 21:37:24 <jp30> 1) go back to apache prefork, shared php extensions, no threads; 2) hack thttpd until it supports threadsafe php; 3) fork php into php and php-nothreads; 4) give up on php.mk, and build php independently to support apache, thttpd, and cli/cgi
Apr 26 21:39:17 <jp30> seems to me that (1) is a good holding position; (4) is strictly better than (3); (2) means hard work and likely portability issues with wl500g
Apr 26 21:39:19 <rwhitby-web> jp30: what about new non-core php modules?  most of them are not thread-safe yet.
Apr 26 21:39:52 <rwhitby-web> yeah, I think 2) is a non-starter
Apr 26 21:40:47 <jp30> non-core module issues: that's why i didn't initially think that apache / worker would work. but when i found that mysql was thread-safe...
Apr 26 21:41:17 <rwhitby-web> not sure that 4) flies when you've got possible non-thread-safe third-party modules.  You would need to allow the user to choose a non-thread-safe php for apache if they needed that one third-party module which has not been made thread safe yet ...
Apr 26 21:41:57 <jp30> if we want to support non-thread safe modules, the only thing to do is apache/prefork, and that means (1)
Apr 26 21:42:08 <rwhitby-web> that's why I agree that 1) is a good holding position, but doesn't allow us to go to MPM for core and thread-safe php modules.
Apr 26 21:43:59 <rwhitby-web> and 4) is the best of all worlds, as you can choose to use apache prefork with php-non-threaded (and all your non-threaded modules) or you can choose apache MPM and php-thread-safe and a restricted set of third-party modules (which are made to conflict with the non-thread-safe php ipks)
Apr 26 21:44:20 <rwhitby-web> s/non-threaded/non-thread-safe/
Apr 26 21:44:46 <rwhitby-web> oops - I meant 3) for that last statement
Apr 26 21:45:23 <jp30> (3) would also require us to fork every threadsafe non-core php extension
Apr 26 21:45:44 <rwhitby-web> yeah, I know.
Apr 26 21:46:57 <jp30> it sounds as though you are also thinking of offering the user a choice of apache worker and prefork. that is hard in itself, as the apache include files in staging are mpm specific
Apr 26 21:47:51 <rwhitby-web> hmm.
Apr 26 21:48:10 <rwhitby-web> BTW, seems that others have to contend with forking php modules: see the bottom of http://www.sourceguardian.com/ixeds/how_to_install_ixed.html
Apr 26 21:49:07 <jp30> i am trying phpmyadmin under php-thttpd now - it is too slow :(
Apr 26 21:49:21 <jp30> i wonder if eaccelerator can work with thttpd?
Apr 26 21:49:32 <rwhitby-web> dunno
Apr 26 21:50:21 <jp30> i will try...
Apr 26 21:51:50 <rwhitby-web> jp30: what was the memory footprint of the apache/worker running mediawiki?
Apr 26 21:52:56 <jp30> about 17MB if i remember correctly
Apr 26 21:53:30 <rwhitby-web> anyway, we have thrashed out all the issues here.  I have full trust that you will make the right decision re 3) vs 4)
Apr 26 21:54:07 <rwhitby-web> if apache/worker running mediawiki can fit in 17MB, then that's reason enough to not stick with 1)
Apr 26 21:56:05 <rwhitby-web> (BTW, it would have looked like I was pushing 3 much more than 4, but if 3 doesn't really give us anything over 4 then I'm quite happy to go with 4)
Apr 26 21:57:35 <rwhitby-web> i.e. I'm confident that the close working model that you have jean-fabrice have in place is just as good as a common php.mk to ensure we don't diverge them any more than is absolutely required.
Apr 26 21:57:52 <rwhitby-web> s/you have/you and/
Apr 26 21:58:33 <rwhitby-web> cause the only real downside to 4) is the risk of people adding modules to one but not the other, and we can easily fix that later if it happens.
Apr 26 21:59:04 <jp30> ok, i'll think about this some more, and see how i get on playing with thttpd. most likely outcome for now is falling back to (1) so we can get some .ipks shipped to users, and get php-thttpd tested on slugs
Apr 26 21:59:52 <rwhitby-web> ok, but I really want to try the apache/worker myself :-)
Apr 26 22:03:11 <jp30> you can build it from today's cvs by adding --with-mpm=worker to apache's configuration flags
Apr 26 22:07:45 <rwhitby-web1> jp30: is that the only change required?
Apr 26 22:08:32 <jp30> should be - you will also need to dirclean and rebuild php-apache afterwards
Apr 26 22:14:36 <ka6sox-web> rats
Apr 26 22:18:10 <jp30> rwhitby, i'll check in my latest tuned httpd.conf - that will help with worker if you want to try it
Apr 26 22:18:57 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/sources/apache/httpd-std.conf.in: apache: turn worker mpm settings
Apr 26 22:37:51 <ka6sox-away> jp30 got the info just fine
Apr 26 22:39:53 <jp30> good... i trust you will be reimbursed for postage?
Apr 26 22:40:24 <ka6sox-web> its all arrainged
Apr 26 22:42:27 <jp30> fab. i will soon have a little slug farm here
Apr 26 22:43:34 <ka6sox-web> yep...
Apr 26 22:43:40 <ka6sox-web> jacques: ping
Apr 26 22:56:12 <jacques> ka6sox-web, hi
Apr 26 23:01:18 <ka6sox-web> howdy, how are you doing tonight?
Apr 26 23:06:18 <jacques> ka6sox-web, kinda drowsy
Apr 26 23:06:30 <jacques> but it's way too early to go to sleep
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