**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 10 23:59:56 2005
May 11 00:11:25 <CIA-1> 03jbowler * r36 10/trunk/openslug/Makefile: 
May 11 00:11:26 <CIA-1> Add a firmware dependency to pre-download a problem
May 11 00:11:26 <CIA-1> flex source archive from a known-good location.
May 11 00:11:26 <CIA-1> Add a distclean target.
May 11 00:12:58 <ka6sox-away> :)
May 11 00:13:31 <jbowler> That looks promising, not in the right place yet of course...
May 11 00:18:03 <jbowler> glibc also has a problem, in that the download produced a truncated file (glibc-2.3.2+cvs20040726-r17), trying a re-start
May 11 00:19:28 <CIA-1> 03jbowler * r12 10/trunk/unslung/Makefile: 
May 11 00:19:28 <CIA-1> Add a firmware dependency to pre-download a problem
May 11 00:19:28 <CIA-1> flex source archive from a known-good location.
May 11 00:19:28 <CIA-1> Add a distclean target.
May 11 00:22:28 <NAiL> hmm
May 11 00:22:34 <NAiL> car crash right outside my window
May 11 00:24:32 <ka6sox-away> morning NAiL 
May 11 00:24:41 <ka6sox-away> that was a rude awakening.
May 11 00:25:53 <jbowler> rwhitby-web: the svn cp -m produces a similar complaint: "svn: Path 'releases/OpenSlug-1.10-beta/Makefile' already exists"
May 11 00:27:07 <rwhitby-web> hmm.  guess you just commit it from your working tree then
May 11 00:27:19 <rwhitby-web> makes sense, cause it copies all the history too
May 11 00:27:31 <jbowler> My thought is that a branch, once made, cannot be remade - so it is probably necessary to make the change in both places
May 11 00:28:03 <rwhitby-web> nothing special about branches.  you just can't copy whole history over whole history.
May 11 00:28:06 <NAiL> ka6sox-away: I'd say. There wasn't a big bang though, just a car being pushed ~50 meters
May 11 00:28:50 <ka6sox-away> ;*(
May 11 00:30:04 <CIA-1> 03jbowler * r37 10/releases/OpenSlug-1.10-beta/Makefile: 
May 11 00:30:04 <CIA-1> Duplicate trunk Makefile fixup in releases/OpenSlug-1.10-beta,
May 11 00:30:04 <CIA-1> downloads flex Makefile before main build to avoid later errors.
May 11 00:30:23 <jbowler> I should have just made the flex download in the beta, oh well, it can be removed from the trunk later.
May 11 00:31:04 <jbowler> NAiL: no NTP crashes on my slug though (of course, it isn't running NTP)
May 11 00:31:27 <NAiL> jbowler: Same here. Been running a couple of days straight now
May 11 00:31:40 <rwhitby-web> jbowler: can you do the same in unslung?
May 11 00:31:59 <jbowler> Restart of the openslug svn build after removing downloads/libc<brokenglibc> seems to be working now.
May 11 00:32:14 <jbowler> rwhitby-web: yes, that's my next step...
May 11 00:32:21 <rwhitby-web> thx
May 11 00:32:41 <jstueve> exit
May 11 00:34:11 <CIA-1> 03jbowler * r13 10/releases/Unslung-4.20-beta/Makefile: 
May 11 00:34:11 <CIA-1> Duplicate trunk Makefile fixup in releases/Unslung-4.20-beta,
May 11 00:34:11 <CIA-1> downloads flex Makefile before main build to avoid later errors.
May 11 01:20:49 <CIA-1> 03jbowler * r38 10/releases/OpenSlug-1.10-beta/Makefile: 
May 11 01:20:49 <CIA-1> mkdir the downloads directory if it does not exist
May 11 01:20:49 <CIA-1> before attempting to cd to it.
May 11 01:23:37 <CIA-1> 03jbowler * r14 10/releases/Unslung-4.20-beta/Makefile: 
May 11 01:23:37 <CIA-1> mkdir the downloads directory if it does not exist
May 11 01:23:37 <CIA-1> before attempting to cd to it.
May 11 01:35:27 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: correct typo in name of py-moin
May 11 01:40:09 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: correct typo in name of py-mx-base
May 11 01:51:30 <copperbeech> jp30: ping
May 11 05:48:53 <rwhitby-away> source releases and README files are up on sf.net
May 11 05:49:12 * dyoung mumbles random obsceneties
May 11 05:49:44 <rwhitby-away> pardon?
May 11 05:50:44 <dyoung> I have a brain crusher headache from contact lenses of a wrong prescription.
May 11 05:50:54 <dyoung> but I am flashing the unslung image I made earlier today
May 11 05:51:28 <dyoung> Its about to issue the reset; it should work.
May 11 05:52:34 <NAiL> rwhitby-away: Only problems I've had building was the mysql threading issue again
May 11 05:53:09 <dyoung> ok it booted.
May 11 05:53:30 <dyoung> I would unsling it too, but I dont have a spare disk handy atm.
May 11 05:53:53 <rwhitby-away> NAiL: understood.  Since it's not on the official build platform, then it won't affect the release - we'll see what can be done after the release.
May 11 05:54:54 <NAiL> rwhitby-away: I think it only affects a few systems anyways
May 11 05:56:51 <rwhitby-away> can someone download the source releases from sf.net and check the md5sums?
May 11 05:57:15 <dyoung> URL?
May 11 05:57:24 <dyoung> (too lazy to sort through backlogs right now)
May 11 05:57:47 <rwhitby-away> In the sf.net file release area
May 11 05:58:07 <rwhitby-away> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=116564
May 11 05:58:29 <rwhitby-away> In particular: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/nslu/OpenSlug-1.10-beta-source.tar.gz?download and http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/nslu/Unslung-4.20-beta-source.tar.gz?download
May 11 05:59:54 <dyoung> dl-ing now
May 11 06:00:48 <dyoung> its going rather slowly.
May 11 06:18:22 <rwhitby-away> dyoung: downloads finished?
May 11 06:19:01 <dyoung> Yep.
May 11 06:19:03 <dyoung> f24a9f57b9160d7a630fa3674395aee3  Unslung-4.20-beta-source.tar.gz
May 11 06:19:03 <dyoung> f8b3cd383a1fe85207ce9b7e42489382  OpenSlug-1.10-beta-source.tar.gz
May 11 06:19:21 <rwhitby-away> cool - they match
May 11 06:20:07 <jstueve> good morning.
May 11 06:20:54 <rwhitby-away> g'day
May 11 06:21:35 <jstueve> I have a question about ipkg and what the OpenSlug release created and how to install them on the slug.
May 11 06:22:15 <rwhitby-away> anything which openslug-packages created is already in the openslug feed
May 11 06:22:28 <rwhitby-away> ipkg update ; ipkg install <foo>
May 11 06:23:03 <jstueve> using the installed ipkg.conf?
May 11 06:23:18 <rwhitby-away> if you create a new .ipk, then just scp it up to the slug, and run "ipkg install <path>/<foo>.ipk"
May 11 06:23:45 <rwhitby-away> yep, the installed ipkg.conf should grab from the openslug feed.
May 11 06:23:52 <jstueve> right, that worked with bitchx (see, I'm on irc! :)
May 11 06:24:50 <jstueve> I'm not seeing the src line in my /etc/ipkg.conf
May 11 06:25:54 <rwhitby-away> Hmm - you're right.
May 11 06:25:59 <rwhitby-away> Bummer.
May 11 06:26:47 <jstueve> I'll be glad to update the wiki, if I could get the source of the warm gooey delicious ipkg goodness...
May 11 06:26:56 * jstueve tries bribery
May 11 06:28:11 <rwhitby-away> ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/oe
May 11 06:28:18 <jstueve> ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/oe
May 11 06:28:24 <jstueve> thkx
May 11 06:42:46 <Machiavelli> Hi
May 11 06:43:07 <dyoung> anything else before I expire/retire for the evening?
May 11 06:46:43 <rwhitby-away> nope
May 11 06:47:17 <[g2]> sweet dreams dyoung 
May 11 06:47:22 <jstueve> another question: how much hard disk space is needed to support the build?
May 11 06:48:10 <rwhitby-away> coupla gig
May 11 06:48:46 <jstueve> okay.. thanks, have to redo the colinx drives...
May 11 06:49:41 <dyoung> nighty.
May 11 06:49:45 <[g2]> nite
May 11 06:51:48 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, on OpenSlug 1.10-beta, the sf tarball provides everything but bitbake and the raw source for the 1.10 Beta binary
May 11 06:52:18 <[g2]> and the other necessary tools
May 11 06:52:47 <[g2]> that's just a snapshot of the OE metadata used for the build
May 11 06:53:09 <[g2]> and it includes all the packages built too right ?
May 11 06:56:15 <[g2]> rwhitby-away and others great job BTW !
May 11 07:49:34 <jstueve> is there a list of what busybox provides for openslug?
May 11 07:50:17 <jstueve> jstueve: answer, yes: busybox --help
May 11 08:01:44 <Machiavelli> rwhitby-away : Just a little info for you....I hope to be able to make a first version of the "Setting up build environment" guide
May 11 08:01:53 <Machiavelli> ..tonight I mean :)
May 11 08:02:10 <Machiavelli> ( I dunno where you are in the world, but here it is 5pm)
May 11 08:02:24 <ByronT-Away> he's in Australia
May 11 08:04:05 <Machiavelli> ok
May 11 08:04:13 <Machiavelli> I guess it is kindda late there :)
May 11 12:49:37 <jstueve> question: if netconsole is install what windows program can I use to see the netconsole stream?  (don't hit me too hard...)
May 11 12:52:33 <jacques> ~lart jstueve 
May 11 12:52:34 * jbot slaps jstueve upside the head with a wet fish
May 11 13:02:17 <jstueve> what kind of fish was that?
May 11 13:04:06 <ByronT> 300 pound tuna
May 11 13:07:20 <jstueve> does that have a terminal progam in it?
May 11 13:07:27 <jstueve> ~google tuna
May 11 13:07:33 <jbot> Google says tuna is at http://www.starkist.com/ or http://www.starkist.com/recipes/ or http://www.hottuna.com/ or http://www.bumblebee.com/ or http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4489191.stm
May 11 13:15:11 <jeanfabrice> It seems to me telnet.exe is bundled with Windows. netcat is not, that's sure...
May 11 13:16:38 * jstueve is probably making this two hard
May 11 13:16:54 <jstueve> so telnet ip:6666 will get me in?
May 11 13:18:25 <jeanfabrice> well, I'm wrong *blush*
May 11 13:19:00 <jeanfabrice> netcat in listen mode sounds better are the message are sent to the destination machine
May 11 13:19:24 <jeanfabrice> nc -u -l -p 6666
May 11 13:20:40 * jeanfabrice feel sorry sending wrong information firstly.
May 11 13:21:39 <jstueve> hrm... so I'll need to get coLinux up on my homenetwork... 
May 11 13:22:33 <jstueve> (or buy a second slug to keep a log of the first one..)
May 11 13:25:23 <jeanfabrice> eeyes has ported netcat for windows, you probably don't need to install coolinux to have netcat working under xp
May 11 13:25:27 <jstueve> (and vice verse)
May 11 13:25:47 <jacques> or serial-enable your slugs
May 11 13:26:32 <jstueve> yeah... not a solderer...
May 11 13:26:49 <jstueve> where can i find a ported version of netcat...
May 11 13:28:07 <jstueve> nm... google is my friend... http://m.nu/program/util/netcat/netcat.html
May 11 13:32:12 <jstueve> wiki updated
May 11 13:37:59 <[g2]-away> jstueve, are you running netconsole ?
May 11 13:49:34 <[g2]-away> jstueve, did you just update the wiki cause that's sweet!
May 11 13:50:02 <jstueve> awat
May 11 13:50:16 <jstueve> been plugging away at putting in stuff that I understand or find out...
May 11 13:50:32 <[g2]-away> ah... you just added the window stuff
May 11 13:50:50 <jstueve> yeah.. "Ill try the windows stuff tonight, and see if it works...
May 11 13:50:55 <[g2]-away> I've got send congrats to jbowler-zzz 
May 11 13:51:03 <[g2]-away> it's works on linux :)
May 11 13:51:27 * [g2]-away steers jstueve to the dark side :)
May 11 13:51:49 <jstueve> hey... "Im there.. it is supporting the troops that keeps me in the alliance
May 11 13:52:27 <jstueve> if I didn't have to support the house commanders windows fetish, I'd be all OSS
May 11 13:53:27 * jstueve seriously mulls the second slug idea though...
May 11 14:11:19 <jacques> you know what they say
May 11 14:11:42 <jacques> you can't have too many friends, too much money, or too many slugs
May 11 14:11:44 <jstueve> whuhs that?
May 11 14:11:57 <jstueve> true dat.
May 11 14:15:34 <jeanfabrice> is sf.net cvs down for you too ?
May 11 14:16:37 <jstueve> how would I check that?
May 11 14:16:42 <jeanfabrice> got 'connection refused'
May 11 14:17:46 <jstueve> I'm running a build on CoLinux (taking for EVER) and there was one dl that took forever, I think it was the kernel...
May 11 14:17:52 <jstueve> but that was a few hours ago...
May 11 14:20:26 <jeanfabrice> cvs up -dP (cvs over ssh)
May 11 14:26:14 <jstueve> *shrug*
May 11 14:26:27 <jstueve> I have no idea.. not cvs'ing anything... (yet)
May 11 14:29:37 <NAiL> woohoo! A new slug is in the mail :)
May 11 14:29:42 <jstueve> rwhitby: fyi - doing a make on the OpenSlug release so far has consumed 3.4 gigs of HD space.
May 11 14:31:05 <jacques> yeah
May 11 14:31:12 <jacques> openslug-packages takes a lot
May 11 14:31:23 <jacques> 2GB is only for openslug-image
May 11 14:31:35 <jacques> this is not counting source
May 11 14:31:36 <jstueve> yeah.. according to du, downloads is 1.8 gigs
May 11 14:32:23 <jstueve> I think I'm past the image phase of the build, will the downloads directory still grow?
May 11 14:34:11 <jacques> ooooh yeah
May 11 14:34:21 <jacques> image is only the beginning
May 11 14:34:33 <jacques> let me see if I can get a size for you
May 11 14:36:41 <jacques> 3908777 tmp
May 11 14:37:02 <jacques> 361510  downloads
May 11 14:37:10 <NAiL> I got ~4.4gb after building openslug-image
May 11 14:37:15 <NAiL> not done packages yet
May 11 14:37:23 <jacques> that does not sound right
May 11 14:37:41 <jstueve> gah.. I gotta offload some stuff mid build.. or I'm gonna run out of image space..
May 11 14:37:50 <jacques> openslug-image for me (not including downloads) is just under 2GB
May 11 14:38:24 <jstueve> ls -l
May 11 14:40:44 * jstueve is using CoLinux with a 4gig image file... two empt 512M images files available without restart CoLinux
May 11 14:40:47 <NAiL> repvik@banan repvik $ du -s OpenSlug-1.10-beta
May 11 14:40:47 <NAiL> 4429840 OpenSlug-1.10-beta
May 11 14:41:22 <jacques> NAiL, what does du -sk give?
May 11 14:42:43 <NAiL> hang on, it's working ;)
May 11 14:42:54 <NAiL> This box has a horrendously slow disk
May 11 14:43:54 <jstueve> busybox isn't doing the du -d N
May 11 14:44:33 <NAiL> 4429840 OpenSlug-1.10-beta
May 11 14:45:22 <jacques> well I dunno what you have in there
May 11 14:45:24 <rwhitby> my openslug build is 4.4G
May 11 14:45:40 <rwhitby> and my downloads is 472M
May 11 14:45:43 <jacques> rwhitby, just openslug-image, not openslug-packages ?
May 11 14:45:47 <rwhitby> packages
May 11 14:45:57 <jacques> we're talking about image
May 11 14:46:09 <jacques> I already said my openslug-packages was:
May 11 14:46:16 <jacques> <jacques> 3908777 tmp
May 11 14:46:16 <jacques> <jacques> 361510  downloads
May 11 14:46:18 <kergoth> fyi, for those who aren't aware, zecke has cut the bitbake memory usage drastically.
May 11 14:46:41 <jacques> rwhitby, BTW, which filesystem ?
May 11 14:46:41 <rwhitby> hey kergoth
May 11 14:46:46 <kergoth> hey
May 11 14:46:49 <rwhitby> jacques: ext3
May 11 14:47:00 <jacques> rwhitby, ah, I'm reiserfs which will save me some space right there
May 11 14:47:20 <rwhitby> kergoth: did anyone find out what happened to openlogging.org (or bk) over the weekend?
May 11 14:47:25 <jacques> BIAB
May 11 14:47:42 <kergoth> dunno, i havent touched bk or oe or any open source stuff in weeks. actually,probably closer to months now
May 11 14:48:14 <jstueve> during a do configure... is it using downloads?
May 11 14:48:26 <NAiL> no
May 11 14:48:36 <NAiL> Then it has extracted the files it needs 
May 11 14:48:55 <rwhitby> kergoth: any leading contenders for the bk replacement for OE ?
May 11 14:49:43 <kergoth> as i say, i've been out of it.  from what i gather, monotone and cogito(sp?) are good possibilities at this point
May 11 14:49:50 <kergoth> last time i looked at monotone it was so slow as to be unusable
May 11 14:50:24 <rwhitby> bitbake still staying in svn ?
May 11 14:51:50 <[g2]-away> kergoth greets!
May 11 14:52:04 <kergoth> rwhitby: most likely.  no real reason to motivate a switch
May 11 14:52:26 <[g2]-away> kergoth, how's life in the new place ?
May 11 14:53:06 <kergoth> not yet moved.  truck was supposed to pick up my stuff some time between may 3rd and the 20th, but they didnt send me the damn paperwork i had to fill out, so now it wont be until the next one (before the 30th, thankfully)
May 11 14:53:26 <kergoth> been in one hell of a slump. need to get moved.  hopefully the change of pace will help
May 11 14:54:32 <[g2]-away> kergoth, I'm sorry to hear that about the slump. You know we love you lots around here and appreciate all you've done helping us all our development issues!
May 11 14:56:19 <jstueve> NAiL: I need to move one package out of downloads... 
May 11 14:56:34 <jstueve> of a slightly large size...
May 11 14:56:57 <jstueve> if rwhitby's 483M holds, I need to trim it down by ~50m
May 11 14:57:27 <jstueve> anything in that directory will not be used once it is downloaded, right?
May 11 15:00:41 <jstueve> okay.. I made the move... I'll see tomorrow if the build ran out of room... see y'al later.
May 11 18:12:10 <[g2]> howdy rwhitby-web 
May 11 18:13:52 <rwhitby-web> howdy
May 11 18:15:24 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, I was thinking about building a package status beginning with the openslug packages and adding other packages from OE to the list
May 11 18:15:55 <[g2]> then we can have a status for all the stuff that's available and track issue by package
May 11 18:16:05 <[g2]> and possibly by dependencies
May 11 18:17:39 <rwhitby-web> yep
May 11 18:18:14 <[g2]> I think i'd be great to also track the unslung packages and the packages on different tool chains
May 11 18:18:59 <rwhitby-web> yep - you've seen the ipkgfind stuff?
May 11 18:19:33 <[g2]> a little I think that's a start but it seemed way too flat and linear
May 11 18:22:06 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, so of the 6117 packages, I wonder how many nls variants there are in that count 
May 11 18:22:34 <rwhitby-web> lots
May 11 18:22:58 <[g2]> :) I know, I watch them build all to often :)
May 11 18:23:00 <rwhitby-web> I'd personally leave all of them out.  But our international friends seem to like them :-)
May 11 18:59:24 <[g2]> any FC 3 users out there ?
May 11 21:08:14 <Machiavelli> morning guys
May 11 21:13:23 <Machiavelli> rwhitby-away: A first version of my guide for setting up a Cross Compiling Build Environment is online @ my pages now :-)
May 11 21:19:24 <rwhitby-web> Machiavelli: URL?
May 11 21:21:55 <Machiavelli> www.macsat.com/wlguide
May 11 21:22:25 <Machiavelli> also I have made a "Fact about Olegs firmware" - like page
May 11 21:25:39 <rwhitby-web> ah, you threw me by changing your nick from macsat to Machiavelli 
May 11 21:27:51 <rwhitby-web> pre-boot is good for loading kernel modules (e,g, USB serial module) for devices that are required by other packages
May 11 21:27:53 <Machiavelli> ohh
May 11 21:27:54 <Machiavelli> sorry
May 11 21:27:56 <Machiavelli> didnt even see that
May 11 21:28:01 <Machiavelli> this is my "old" nic
May 11 21:28:02 <Machiavelli> k
May 11 21:28:30 <Machiavelli> used to use that on the european satellite "scene" for the last 10 some years ;-)
May 11 21:28:57 <Machiavelli> I have to go, worktime
May 11 21:29:10 <Machiavelli> if you get the time, take a look at it and feel free to comment :-)
May 11 21:29:16 <Machiavelli> will check in here later today
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