**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 18 23:59:57 2005
May 19 00:04:13 <jf-work> yeah...
May 19 00:04:28 <jf-work> ka6sox-away: do you spy me ? ;)
May 19 00:05:21 <jf-work> let me take cafeine...
May 19 00:07:16 <ka6sox-away> jf-work...I grok what is happening.
May 19 00:16:01 <jf-work> ok. I'm back
May 19 00:16:13 <ka6sox> me too
May 19 00:16:20 <ka6sox> macsat had a question earlier...
May 19 00:16:34 <jf-work> macsat: as far as I know, there is no libc++ in the actual toolchain
May 19 00:22:12 <CIA-1> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/ipkg.mk: Remove ipkg.conf installation as it breaks previous ipkg installation without warnings
May 19 00:26:21 <jbowler> Anyone out there with a running 1.12 openslug?
May 19 00:27:48 <jacques> yep
May 19 00:28:25 <jbowler> Can you tell me what 'ifconfig eth0' outputs for the HWaddr?
May 19 00:29:00 <jacques> it outputs the proper HWaddr for that device
May 19 00:29:32 <jacques> not the fake one
May 19 00:29:59 <jbowler> Hum, is the line in /etc/network/interfaces 'hwaddress ether' or 'hw ether'?
May 19 00:30:08 <jacques> first boot apparently extracts the HWaddr from flash and puts it in /etc/network/interfaces
May 19 00:30:21 <jacques>  hwaddress ether  ...
May 19 00:45:29 <jbowler> ah, thanks - for a moment there I thought it wasn't working, but mine is functional again, must be something I did when testing this a couple of days ago.
May 19 00:50:56 <jacques> np, glad it's working
May 19 00:55:42 <dyoung> This actiontec is pretty neat.
May 19 00:57:24 <jacques> actiontec?
May 19 00:59:47 <dyoung> http://www.actiontec.com/products/entertainment/wdmp/index.php
May 19 01:00:01 <dyoung> Its similar to rwhitby's Neuston MC-500
May 19 01:00:21 <dyoung> I took some high-res pics of the guts.
May 19 01:00:59 <jacques> does it run linux or can it be used with a linux host?
May 19 01:01:58 <jf-work> eno-away: I have update ipkg not to install ipkg.conf. Anyway, maybe ipkg shouldn't have been promoted for slug (or even created in the unslung build system) as it is part of unslung fw. I will let jp30 refeeds it or demotes it for slug.
May 19 01:05:14 <jbowler> jacques: the site doesn't seem very forthcoming, Roku (see http://www.rokulabs.com/products/photobridge/index.php) does run Linux on MIPS
May 19 01:09:00 <jacques> hmm
May 19 01:14:36 <jbowler> The sound part (not video) can be implemented on a slug with a USB wireless and a USB sound port, but the total cost of that is way over what the Roku M500 sells for ($200-$50 rebate)
May 19 01:16:15 <jacques> ah, they've gone down
May 19 01:16:34 <jacques> i guess last time I saw them was almost a year ago
May 19 01:18:01 <jbowler> They got rid of the expensive display - that's what the M500 is.
May 19 01:21:03 <jacques> aaah
May 19 01:27:11 <jbowler> The ActionTec is selling for $200 too, and it has 2 USB ports, but, weirdly, it doesn't say anything about the audio output that I can see.
May 19 01:28:30 <jacques> as you said, the site isn't very informative
May 19 01:29:02 <jacques> I wonder what this feature means " Integrated Wireless Site Survey tool"
May 19 01:30:47 <jacques> probably just tells you which SSIDs it sees
May 19 01:31:17 <jacques> heh, I guess his oscillations annoyed someone with ops
May 19 01:32:26 <dyoung> jacques, It will run with wizd recently contributed by p3pilot, and it works with openshowcenter.
May 19 01:32:42 <dyoung> Amazon has the Actiontec for $134.
May 19 01:33:06 <jbowler> There was a warning about the 'user summer spammer infestation'
May 19 01:33:54 <dyoung> I have a few files it complains about "invalid video codec", but most normal stuff seems to work.
May 19 01:34:28 <jacques> dyoung wizd is a linux app that streams to the actiontec?
May 19 01:34:43 <dyoung> jacques, the cool bit about these devices is hacking is on the server side rather than on the device.
May 19 01:34:51 <dyoung> wizd is one such server.
May 19 01:35:08 <jacques> that's kinda intriguing
May 19 01:35:41 <dyoung> Yeah, I havent tested it yet, but p3pilot says it more or less works with the thing he has, and it works with rwhitby's Neuston, so I'm quite certain it will work with this actiontec
May 19 01:36:30 <jacques> they have anything that streams to those ?media center externer" thingies?
May 19 01:36:34 <jacques> extender
May 19 01:37:40 <dyoung> Ah yes.  Its similar stuff, but the hacking is on the device.
May 19 01:37:58 <dyoung> There has been significant work on the DSM320.
May 19 01:38:01 <dyoung> um
May 19 01:38:11 <jacques> really  interresting
May 19 01:38:51 <dyoung> http://www.biermana.org/wiki/index.php/Hacking%20the%20D-Link%20DSM-320
May 19 01:39:19 <dyoung> I have a list of these things someplace.
May 19 01:39:36 <jacques> thanks for the link :-)
May 19 01:40:47 <dyoung> I was gonna get a DSM320 until rwhitby pointed out the MC500 and his cousin this actiontec
May 19 01:40:56 <dyoung> It seemed easier to make work.
May 19 01:41:55 <dyoung> the heavyweight FOSS option for MC500/actiontec type devices is http://openshowcenter.sourceforge.net/Mambo/index.php
May 19 01:45:11 <jacques> yeah I've heard of that somewhere
May 19 02:31:04 <dyoung> back later, gonna give Ubuntu PPC Live CD a whirl.
May 19 03:19:33 <p3pilot> dyoung, good luck with the new player...I am very happy with my IO-Data with the wizd running on the NSLU2.
May 19 03:20:16 <dyoung> Cool, so I should be able to ipkg install it now right?
May 19 03:20:18 <dyoung>  :-)
May 19 03:20:52 <dyoung> it has a DVI out, but I dont have anything to plug into that yet.
May 19 03:21:39 <p3pilot> yes...the ipkg worked for me and then just edit the wizd.conf to point to your media files
May 19 03:22:12 <dyoung> I think I'll try that right now.
May 19 03:22:47 <p3pilot> I think after editing the conf the server needs to be restarted also
May 19 03:34:19 <p3pilot> off to work
May 19 03:53:38 <dyoung> It works fine.
May 19 03:53:56 <dyoung> It was so easy to setup a caveman could do it. :-)
May 19 04:03:11 <dyoung> morning sunshine
May 19 04:04:44 <[g2]> dyoung, morning
May 19 04:05:20 <dyoung> how are you?
May 19 04:05:22 <[g2]> dyoung, I think we need to find a few web jocky's
May 19 04:05:39 <dyoung> for what particular project?
May 19 04:05:40 <[g2]> I'm very well thank-you and I hope you are the same
May 19 04:05:45 <[g2]> Sluggix
May 19 04:06:24 <dyoung> I spent the evening fooling around with Ubuntu Live CD.
May 19 04:06:37 <[g2]> Cool.
May 19 04:06:54 <[g2]> I ran that inside of QEMU a little while ago
May 19 04:07:08 <dyoung> based on your work, I dont see that it would be that difficult to make a BitBakeX disc that works on a mac.
May 19 04:07:08 <[g2]> I've been watching Breezy Badger for the AMD64
May 19 04:07:38 <[g2]> Well there can me many custom distros :)
May 19 04:08:00 <[g2]> I'm not ready to tackle a PPC host environ yet
May 19 04:08:08 <dyoung> Yah.  i think we'll minimally want to put somehting out for X86 and ppc and probably x86_64
May 19 04:08:35 <dyoung> I have a spare PPC I could use to do that part once we get the bugs worked out.
May 19 04:08:36 <[g2]> right. I'd like to start with Knoppix on the x86 first
May 19 04:09:14 <dyoung> overall I was pretty satisfied with the LiveCD process.
May 19 04:09:44 <[g2]> So the vision I have is to automatically start the local web server (maybe with apache/php)  and have the default web page pull up a web based build manager
May 19 04:10:11 <dyoung> Aha.  I knew you were gonna say that.
May 19 04:10:13 <[g2]> Selection for stuff like Unslung / OpenSlug / OEM 
May 19 04:10:25 <[g2]> glibc / uclibc
May 19 04:10:50 <[g2]> web server / sub menu apache / thttpd .....
May 19 04:10:51 <dyoung> Thats one of my backburner projects, building a web-based builder for specific "data logger" configurations.
May 19 04:11:11 <[g2]> There can be full canned apps
May 19 04:11:20 <[g2]> data logger is one such,
May 19 04:11:25 <[g2]> web server,
May 19 04:11:28 <[g2]> email server
May 19 04:11:38 <[g2]> dns, dhcp, ......
May 19 04:11:54 <dyoung> Right.  Mine is pretty specific though, the target is CPU32.
May 19 04:12:06 <dyoung> but I understand the concept fully.
May 19 04:12:20 * [g2] is not surprised :)
May 19 04:13:12 <dyoung> the hard part is making the wrapper that actually builds it.  The rest should be pretty simple php.
May 19 04:13:20 <dyoung> Our Man Tiersten is a PHP Expert.
May 19 04:13:37 <[g2]> Cool.
May 19 04:14:01 <[g2]> I think the wrapper is pretty easy
May 19 04:14:19 <[g2]> bb xxxxxx
May 19 04:14:36 <dyoung> It should be.  Then the wrapper part will be sorta likek the output module in cgiirc.
May 19 04:15:05 <[g2]> I'm not familiar with that
May 19 04:15:25 <[g2]> I think your saying the cgiirc filters the output
May 19 04:15:27 <dyoung> the basics are easy.  The ambiguous part is for error h andling.  I mean I dont expect that there WILL be errors, because youre writing it, but you know.... :-)
May 19 04:15:51 <[g2]> there will be LOTS of errors
May 19 04:16:05 <dyoung> Yeah, I'm kidding around.
May 19 04:16:09 <[g2]> but it can report back and even possibly pickup known fixes
May 19 04:16:11 <dyoung> like what if sf.net mirrors are down, etc
May 19 04:16:45 <[g2]> well the CD may start with all the sources for the initial build (except the Intel Access Library)
May 19 04:16:50 <dyoung> I suppose we could mirror the sourcefiles of interest someplace.
May 19 04:16:51 <dyoung> oh?
May 19 04:16:54 <dyoung> it all fits?
May 19 04:17:00 <dyoung> dude, thats awesome.
May 19 04:17:14 <[g2]> If it doesn't, then there's either a second CD or a DVD
May 19 04:17:36 <[g2]> I was even thinking about starting a subscription service
May 19 04:17:39 <[g2]> on DVD
May 19 04:17:59 <[g2]> Quarterly updates
May 19 04:18:03 <dyoung> Good Plan.
May 19 04:18:13 <dyoung> Its sorta like the Mandrake/mandriva model.
May 19 04:18:30 <dyoung> they make the multi-cd set downloadable, but the DVD service is subscription.
May 19 04:18:43 <[g2]> I'm thinking Netflix model :)
May 19 04:19:03 <dyoung> what, they gotta send it back?!
May 19 04:19:16 <[g2]> One-way Netflix :)
May 19 04:19:20 <dyoung> Ok.
May 19 04:19:46 <dyoung> It would probably fly.
May 19 04:19:54 <dyoung> dunno about the demand load though.
May 19 04:20:12 <[g2]> for the ISOs ?
May 19 04:20:17 <dyoung> for Sluggix.
May 19 04:20:37 <[g2]> well it's really OE ix :)
May 19 04:20:50 <dyoung> yeah, okay so BBX then.
May 19 04:20:51 <dyoung> heh
May 19 04:21:01 <dyoung> BitBakeiX
May 19 04:21:10 <[g2]> the two keys to me are 
May 19 04:21:20 <[g2]> 1) Totaly simple end-user interface
May 19 04:21:48 <[g2]> 2) Feed back loop on the build issues / success that can be provided via the automation
May 19 04:23:28 <dyoung> 111 build attempts.
May 19 04:23:37 <dyoung> reported to sluggix.com
May 19 04:23:41 <dyoung> that sort of thing?
May 19 04:23:56 <dyoung> its just a HTTP POST away. :-)
May 19 04:24:15 <[g2]> I'm talking at the package level which gets rolled up to things like that
May 19 04:24:41 <[g2]> so that OpenSlug build of apache 1.33 70 builds, 65 excecutions...
May 19 04:24:55 <[g2]> known good 
May 19 04:25:19 <[g2]> apache 2.xx  5 builds, 5 failuers.. 1 bug... 
May 19 04:25:32 <dyoung> hmm
May 19 04:26:53 <[g2]> status goes from Package_in Repo, Builds, Ipkg_installs, Runs_with_bugs, Runs_0 bugs, Production
May 19 04:27:01 <dyoung> I dunno how you can get that kind oof granularity without doing bb apache; bb openslug-image; bb foo ... I'm sure its possible... gotta think about it
May 19 04:27:28 <[g2]> I"ve parsed the output from BB with perl in the past
May 19 04:27:56 <[g2]> each package says ... fetching, patcshing, started compile, compile complete. ....
May 19 04:28:08 <[g2]> ERROR ... See .....
May 19 04:28:41 <[g2]> I"ve got a perl script for 9 months ago that builds a manifest from that output
May 19 04:29:26 <[g2]> We should just tie it in with known good MD5 and SHA1 sums on the the soures and patches
May 19 04:30:07 <[g2]> Maybe I'll call it EmbeddedOlive 
May 19 04:30:16 <dyoung> O live?
May 19 04:30:18 <[g2]> I"m reaching out to the users for help
May 19 04:30:28 <dyoung> or olive like the thing on your pizza
May 19 04:30:47 <[g2]> as is Olive branch no ?
May 19 04:30:55 <dyoung> oh
May 19 04:30:56 <dyoung> hahahahaha
May 19 04:31:07 <dyoung> its late.
May 19 04:31:19 <[g2]> it's early
May 19 04:31:23 <[g2]> :)
May 19 04:31:26 <dyoung> that too
May 19 04:31:30 <[g2]> it's morning
May 19 04:31:40 <[g2]> it's SLUGTIME :)
May 19 04:31:46 <dyoung> ~slugtime
May 19 04:31:49 <[g2]> ~slugtime
May 19 04:32:01 <[g2]> DOH! you beat me
May 19 04:32:02 <jbot> extra, extra, read all about it, slugtime is 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap
May 19 04:32:14 <jbot> rumour has it, slugtime is 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap
May 19 04:33:16 <dyoung> [g2], do you have a Tivo?
May 19 04:34:25 <dyoung> ~seen lennert
May 19 04:36:20 <jbot> lennert <~buytenh@alephnull.demon.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 13d 21h 2m 19s ago, saying: 'ok, gotta run!'.
May 19 04:36:39 <[g2]> dyoung, S1
May 19 04:37:07 <dyoung> I need to find a S2 expert.
May 19 04:37:31 <[g2]> there are several around
May 19 04:37:38 <[g2]> many in #wrt54g
May 19 04:37:58 <[g2]> many of the Tivo hacker moved on to OpenWRT
May 19 04:38:06 <dyoung> Cool.
May 19 04:38:12 <[g2]> but that was a 1 year ago
May 19 04:38:20 <dyoung> I dont think what I want to do is unreasonable.
May 19 04:38:26 <[g2]> more like 15 months ago
May 19 04:38:36 <dyoung> I just havnt been spelunking in the thing enough.
May 19 04:39:05 <[g2]> [mbm] is a founder and core dev of OpenWRT
May 19 04:39:11 <dyoung> talking to a expert might may point me in the right direction.
May 19 04:39:42 <[g2]> he's also the Technical expert for the first "Hacking the Tivo" book
May 19 04:39:51 <dyoung> Wow.
May 19 04:39:59 <dyoung> ~seen [mbm]
May 19 04:41:23 <[g2]> I think some of the dev are in #tivo, but they are probably a pretty unfriendly bunch
May 19 04:41:44 <[g2]> you know the old-school go research it yourself kind
May 19 04:42:00 <dyoung> yeah.
May 19 04:42:16 <jbot> [mbm] <mbm@24.247.171.106.bay.mi.chartermi.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #familiar, 43d 11h 16m 34s ago, saying: 'anyone aorund?'.
May 19 04:42:33 <dyoung> if I google enough I might find the right combination of hints.
May 19 04:42:52 <[g2]> looks like jbot doesn't monitor #wrt54g :)
May 19 04:43:07 <[g2]> I saw him talking there just a couple days ago
May 19 04:44:24 <dyoung> I'll idle there for a bit and see what pops up.
May 19 04:45:08 <dyoung> I dont really want to spend too much time on it.
May 19 04:45:15 <dyoung> there are other toys to hack.
May 19 04:48:42 <[g2]> amen to that :)
May 19 05:08:36 <[g2]> dyoung, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BuildDaemons looks interesting
May 19 05:55:05 <VoodooZ_Work> morning
May 19 05:59:59 <NAiL> 'afternoon ;)
May 19 06:00:18 <VoodooZ_Work> hehe
May 19 06:00:36 <VoodooZ_Work> NAiL: Was it with you I was talking about web cams?
May 19 06:03:39 <NAiL> VoodooZ_Work: Proably not
May 19 06:03:47 <VoodooZ_Work> ok. sorry.
May 19 06:03:49 <NAiL> Probably
May 19 06:03:59 <NAiL> np. There's quite a few people around ;)
May 19 06:04:12 <VoodooZ_Work> yep
May 19 06:04:30 <NAiL> I'm considering getting a webcam sooner or later though... :)
May 19 06:06:00 <VoodooZ_Work> I've been using an old OV511+ based
May 19 06:06:21 <VoodooZ_Work> It's way too slow for robotics though. (5fps)
May 19 06:06:34 <VoodooZ_Work> SO I just bought a USB2.0 one from Ebay that is supposed to work under linux.
May 19 06:06:47 <VoodooZ_Work> It should give me a good 15+fps without compression.
May 19 06:07:10 * VoodooZ_Work crosses his fingers that the OV511+ drivers will work fine.
May 19 06:08:27 <NAiL> ah
May 19 06:14:12 <rwhitby-tokyo> evening all
May 19 06:16:03 <[g2]> rwhitby-tokyo, hey
May 19 06:16:20 <[g2]> rwhitby-tokyo, Sluggix built
May 19 06:16:47 <rwhitby-tokyo> cool
May 19 06:17:10 <rwhitby-tokyo> dyoung: have you put those high-res actiontec shots up in the gallery?
May 19 06:20:26 <rwhitby-tokyo> [g2]: so I see the name has stuck ...
May 19 06:20:53 <[g2]> rwhitby-tokyo, it's just a good contender
May 19 06:21:38 * rwhitby-tokyo goes to register sluggix.com so he can rent it out to [g2] ...
May 19 06:22:19 * [g2] already has enough domains
May 19 06:22:28 <rwhitby-tokyo> heh - a google of Sluggix shows an interesting first hit ...
May 19 06:23:03 <rwhitby-tokyo> jbot, seen dyoung?
May 19 06:23:05 <jbot> dyoung is currently on #openjtag (3h 20m 11s) #nslu2-linux (3h 20m 11s) #oe (3h 20m 11s).  Has said a total of 66 messages.  Is idling for 1h 37m 50s
May 19 06:23:53 <rwhitby-tokyo> dyoung: when you get back, can you please put the actiontec shots up in the gallery?  Then it will save me having to void my warranty :-)
May 19 06:24:54 <copperbeech> jbot, seen jp30?
May 19 06:24:56 <jbot> jp30 <~josh@jp30.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 1d 2h 47m 49s ago, saying: 'no probs. ok, i'm off to realwork myself now'.
May 19 06:25:20 <rwhitby-tokyo> copperbeech: did you ever sort out CoLinux?
May 19 06:26:34 <copperbeech> nope - I got a new laptop which has taken me back to sq. #1. I was reading the logs about a "sluggix" ?? build which sounds very interesting. Also been having to pay some attention to WAF :-)
May 19 06:26:42 <copperbeech> What's happening in tokyo?
May 19 06:27:09 <copperbeech> However I did get appWeb building with PHP
May 19 06:27:17 <rwhitby-tokyo> copperbeech: business
May 19 06:27:43 <copperbeech> I am now trying to look at trying to get mediawiki working on appWeb with PHP - but probably need to iron a couple of things out with JP30
May 19 06:27:56 <copperbeech> what sort of business are you involved with?
May 19 06:28:00 <rwhitby-tokyo> I head back home in about 22 hours
May 19 06:28:07 <copperbeech> quick trip!
May 19 06:28:59 <rwhitby-tokyo> been here for three days total
May 19 06:29:37 <copperbeech> do you wokr in the IT related business?
May 19 06:30:18 <rwhitby-tokyo> copperbeech: that's a secret :-)
May 19 06:30:29 <copperbeech> *laughs*
May 19 06:31:06 <copperbeech> how are you going to make sluggix available - are you going to use the new "trackerless" bittorrent?
May 19 06:31:25 <copperbeech> http://www.bittorrent.com/trackerless.html
May 19 06:31:28 <rwhitby-tokyo> you'd have to ask [g2] that
May 19 06:31:46 <copperbeech> Oh yes I see he is now lined up to take over the domain..
May 19 06:32:03 <copperbeech> I'm very interested in trying this out.
May 19 07:01:08 <rwhitby-tokyo> well, gotta get some sleep - night all
May 19 07:01:30 <VoodooZ_Work> what is Sluggix?
May 19 07:02:02 <rwhitby-tokyo> Knoppix that builds slug stuff
May 19 07:03:28 <rwhitby-tokyo> [g2]'s baby
May 19 07:03:35 <rwhitby-tokyo> sluggix.com I hear ...
May 19 07:03:53 <[g2]> yeah what rwhitby said except the slugggix.com
May 19 07:04:17 <[g2]> copperbeech so you're interested in the trackerless torrent ?
May 19 07:04:40 <[g2]> or the custom knoppix that can build unslung/openslug ?
May 19 07:11:11 * copperbeech grins
May 19 07:11:21 <copperbeech> I'm interested in custom Knoppix
May 19 07:12:15 <copperbeech> and bittorrent as a 'topical' secodary issue - although we don't have a native client to utilise it yet :-) Would have to get it via windoz
May 19 07:12:48 <copperbeech> is there somewhere where I could download your build?
May 19 07:13:05 <copperbeech> [g2]
May 19 07:17:29 <jf-work> any1 knows what's wrong with freeradius ipkg ?*
May 19 07:59:23 <[g2]> copperbeech, what making a custom Knoppix is pretty easy
May 19 07:59:31 <[g2]> I did my first one yesterday
May 19 07:59:58 <[g2]> Obviously a decent machine and lots of memory and disk space is important
May 19 08:03:13 <copperbeech> [g2] are ou going to publish the sluggix ISO image - I'd be happy to give it a spin.
May 19 08:03:48 <[g2]> copperbeech, actually it's a OEKnoppix you can run all of OE with it
May 19 08:04:03 <[g2]> it just so happens I'm interested in OpenSlug and Unslung
May 19 08:04:55 <[g2]> I'll probably be releasing something, I just not sure exactly what should be in the release
May 19 08:05:49 <[g2]> right now I just removed openoffice, thunderbird, kstars from the 3.8.2 Knoppix distro and added the stuff required for debian and remastered and tested
May 19 08:05:51 <copperbeech> [g2] I'm really interetsed in a simple to run cross-build environment for unslung - I've tried setting up co-linux but I haven't yet found the time to sort out the networking stuff - even though rwhitby has been really helpful there.
May 19 08:06:14 <[g2]> this is exactly that simple cross-build enviorn
May 19 08:06:27 <copperbeech> :-) that's what I was hoping! :-)
May 19 08:07:01 <copperbeech> one thing that would be kind of fun is to see if you can mount the slug via a network drive?
May 19 08:07:17 <copperbeech> so that the cvs build could be located on a slug share
May 19 08:07:44 <copperbeech> then there would be no need to have a local hard drive space allocated for persistent storage.
May 19 08:07:48 <[g2]> sure you can nfs mount stuff hosted on the slug
May 19 08:07:54 <copperbeech> I guess the slug might need to be running NFS etc.
May 19 08:08:16 <copperbeech> well I guess there are certain assumptions we can make for sluggix:
May 19 08:08:25 <copperbeech> 1) the user will have a slug
May 19 08:08:45 <copperbeech> 2) they will be running unslung or openslug and can thus get NFS running
May 19 08:09:28 <copperbeech> It would just remove the dependency on allocating local HDD space or plugging in a new external USB HDD.
May 19 08:09:47 <[g2]> actually neither 1 nor 2 are required
May 19 08:09:57 <copperbeech> plus if, like me, they have a native build CVS tree on their slug already then you could share the staging environment too :-)
May 19 08:10:19 <[g2]> A x86 host and a network connection is probably the ticket plus like 4-5G avialable on a partition
May 19 08:10:24 <copperbeech> not required - but a valid assumption which might make this option interesting :-)
May 19 08:10:32 <copperbeech> yes
May 19 08:11:03 <[g2]> it's cool to build over the network, but lame from a performance perspective
May 19 08:11:44 <copperbeech> I guess the idea of just sticking in a knoppix CD to one of the laptops I have and typing an ip address , user and pass to log into the file space on the slug would be cool.
May 19 08:11:50 <[g2]> On my system there's a 10x to 50x speed improvement
May 19 08:12:24 <[g2]> you can do that now with the standard Knoppix no ?
May 19 08:12:29 <copperbeech> The only hit would be loading data from the drive and writing compiled data back to the drive - most of the bottleneck in compilation is in the processor time isn;t it? It is on the slug native compiler anyway
May 19 08:13:04 <copperbeech> I haven't played with knoppix enough recently to know about network persistent storage
May 19 08:13:10 <[g2]> my disk access is between 50-60 M Bytes a seccond
May 19 08:13:30 <[g2]> ppl are lucky to get 1-5MB off NFS
May 19 08:13:34 <[g2]> on the slug
May 19 08:13:44 <[g2]> MAX (100Mb ethernet is 12MB)
May 19 08:14:04 <[g2]> kergoth this about have the time is unpacking and patching
May 19 08:14:20 <[g2]> I'd put it more at 1/4 but disk access is quite important
May 19 08:14:22 <copperbeech> yes - but when you are running a compile how much disk activity do you really need? doeas the compiler really use 50-60 Mb disk read?
May 19 08:14:54 <copperbeech> yes I see...
May 19 08:15:17 <copperbeech> I'm just thinking it would be faster than trying to compile it on the slug natively :-)
May 19 08:15:53 <[g2]> well @ about $500 US you can get a NForce4 Ultra board 512MB, AMD64 3000+ and with GigaBit so that's my SERVER
May 19 08:16:19 <copperbeech> good value!
May 19 08:16:25 <[g2]> when I RAID 0 the drives I should be able to pull near 100MB over the network
May 19 08:16:47 <copperbeech> I only have the slug and a 1.2 Mhz laptop
May 19 08:16:55 <copperbeech> the slug is my server
May 19 08:17:32 <[g2]> well a $29US pcmcia USB 2.0 adapter for the laptop solves the issue
May 19 08:17:44 <[g2]> I think they even $19
May 19 08:18:01 <[g2]> then you plug the disk straight in
May 19 08:18:33 <[g2]> so once again, a standard Knoppix CD, $19-29 USB 2.0 adapter boom.... your laptop is downtown with the slug disk
May 19 08:19:08 <[g2]> for a learning experience and understanding experience the stuff you're doing is important
May 19 08:19:26 <[g2]> from a performance and cost side is probably isn't practical in my mind
May 19 08:20:06 <copperbeech> hmmm - with knoppix (which I guess you are using on a machine with WinXX installed) where/how are you thinking the sources and build trees will be stored? What do you propose to do with your system?
May 19 08:21:00 <[g2]> you really just need some disk space
May 19 08:21:10 <copperbeech> My laptop has USB 2.0 already, but I don;t want to turn off my slug really - I only have one and it's live. I'm a man of little space and minimal resources.
May 19 08:22:08 <[g2]> well time is not a resource to waste :)
May 19 08:22:09 <copperbeech> yeah I'm sure that I can find that. I guess I was just turingin over the idea of utilising some of the free space I have on the slug via the network - but as you point out there could be quite a performance hit with the disk access.
May 19 08:22:22 <copperbeech> true! too true!
May 19 08:22:34 <[g2]> how big is your laptop HD ?
May 19 08:22:54 <copperbeech> 30GB on this new one - my old one had 60!
May 19 08:23:07 <copperbeech> it's a corporate system...
May 19 08:23:34 <[g2]> so you just free up a 5G partition or create a loopback partition on the native fs in a single file
May 19 08:23:47 <[g2]> and then mount that loopback and do all the work in one file
May 19 08:23:58 <[g2]> from the native OS's perspective
May 19 08:24:30 <[g2]> two files actually, 1 swap and 2 loopback fs mount
May 19 08:25:23 <copperbeech> yes - probably the best performance that way
May 19 08:27:04 <copperbeech> I had Knoppix installed on the hdd of a previous laptop and running from the ISO image as a loopback mount worked nicely - but could never understand how to configure a wireless netowork card on linux. 
May 19 08:27:42 <[g2]> how long ago with the wireless stuff 
May 19 08:27:54 <copperbeech> about 9 months ago probably
May 19 08:28:10 <[g2]> things may have changed a little since then
May 19 08:28:28 <[g2]> It really depends on the adapter
May 19 08:28:33 <copperbeech> but I couldn't map the linux configuration fields to what I am familair with in either my Netgear router or in Win 2K / Win XP
May 19 08:28:55 <copperbeech> there seemed to be many more options...
May 19 08:29:05 <[g2]> :)
May 19 08:29:35 <copperbeech> ... and none of the ones I expected :-)
May 19 08:46:26 <eno> can any1 cat /opt/etc/ipkg.conf ? I lost my /opt/etc/ipkg.conf, and cannot do any installation right now
May 19 08:50:31 <jf-work> src/gz cross http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/cross
May 19 08:50:46 <jf-work> src/gz native http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/native
May 19 08:50:49 <jf-work> dest root /
May 19 08:50:55 <jf-work> from memory
May 19 08:51:06 <eno> thx
May 19 08:51:25 <jf-work> can be found in the different *.conf in /etc/ipkg/*.conf
May 19 08:51:39 <jf-work> but I'm very new on slug
May 19 08:54:49 <eno> yeah, that's what i'm wondering, i got all the /etc/ipkg files and some files under /share
May 19 08:55:46 <eno> after adding two src lines, ipkg can do update, but it does not remember all the installed packages
May 19 08:56:50 <eno> but that's much better than b4, i'll look into ipkg code to see how to make it remember all the packages
May 19 09:02:38 <eno> alright, did a 'cp -rp /share/hdd/conf/usr/lib/ipkg/* /opt/lib/ipkg/' and now it knows package status
May 19 09:34:39 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (2 files in 2 dirs): upstream upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1.0, need a trivial patch for btdownloadcurses.py to work
May 19 10:02:03 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/py-bittorrent.mk: 4.10beta is still quite buggy, revert to 4.0.1
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 19 10:38:49 2005
May 19 11:13:05 <senneth> d'oh, ipkg b0rked today, time to flash a brand new 4.20
May 19 13:42:28 <dyoung> rwhitby, http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/actiontec
May 19 13:42:44 <dyoung> its slightly fuzzy, so maybe I should take the parts side again.,
May 19 13:54:51 <ka6sox-office> is that a JTAG connnector I see???
May 19 13:54:52 <jacques> dyoung actiontec has an internal CF slot?
May 19 13:55:21 <jacques> sure has a lot of unpopulated headers
May 19 13:55:29 <jacques> big ones
May 19 13:55:39 <dyoung> Yeah, it makes me wonder...
May 19 13:55:47 <dyoung> the one that looks like IDE is IDE.
May 19 13:56:02 <dyoung> I think the one on the left may be JTAG.
May 19 13:57:02 <dyoung> or maybe the one above the masking tape is jtag.
May 19 13:57:06 <dyoung> hard to tell.
May 19 13:57:39 <jacques> so many
May 19 13:58:04 <dyoung> The connectore below the ide connector is probably for a pcmcia drive.
May 19 13:58:53 <dyoung> what is also interesting is those two jumpers on the right side.  it seems to indicate it can run from flash or "external" mode.
May 19 14:00:19 <dyoung> J31 is probably the console port.
May 19 14:02:07 <jacques> any serial ?
May 19 14:02:15 <jacques> d`oh you just said that
May 19 14:02:19 <jacques> sorry, distracted
May 19 14:02:23 <dyoung> I didnt go poking round; but I'd bet thats J31.
May 19 14:02:43 <jacques> heh did you buy this to use?
May 19 14:02:49 <[g2]> What's the silicon image chip number in the upper right ?
May 19 14:03:04 <jacques> if so you probably arent too interested in poking too hard at the hardware :-)
May 19 14:03:30 <dyoung> yeah, I'm alrewady using it. :-)
May 19 14:03:49 <[g2]> Sigma has a Linux reference platform iirc
May 19 14:04:09 <dyoung> [g2] I'm not sure; but that SI part is probably the driver for the DVI output.
May 19 14:04:37 <dyoung> (I put the box back together to use)
May 19 14:05:10 <[g2]> where did you buy it ?
May 19 14:05:14 <[g2]> retail online ?
May 19 14:05:16 <dyoung> amazon.com .
May 19 14:05:25 <dyoung> $134
May 19 14:05:35 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/erlang.mk: ipkg cannot handle pathname longer than 100, for now use OTP_SMALL_BUILD
May 19 14:05:51 <jacques> I wish my new toy would get here.
May 19 14:06:01 <[g2]> Oh... so the CF is for the wireless adapter eh ?
May 19 14:06:41 <dyoung> thats a fullsize PC Card slot.  It comes with a card that looks sorta like a rebadged linksys, but I havnt plugged it in yet to find out.
May 19 14:07:44 <[g2]> PC Card / PCMCIA ?
May 19 14:08:06 <jacques> verry interesting
May 19 14:08:21 <[g2]> that's DVI out on the back ?
May 19 14:08:47 <dyoung> Yes for both.
May 19 14:11:05 <[g2]> dyoung, got prompt yet ?
May 19 14:12:22 <dyoung> Not yet.  I'm actually using the device for its intended purpose!
May 19 14:12:36 <dyoung> but I had to void the warranty to take some pics. :-)
May 19 14:15:44 <jacques> ah, well, in for a penny, ...   :-D
May 19 14:20:39 <NAiL> hmm.. that box looks nice
May 19 14:21:20 <NAiL> but doesn't look like it is sold in Norway :\
May 19 14:27:04 <p3pilot> dyoung, wizd and the player working well?   I saw the pictures :)
May 19 14:34:39 <dyoung> p3pilot, Yeah, it worked like magic.
May 19 14:34:56 <dyoung> just changed two words in the config and it "just worked".
May 19 14:54:14 <p3pilot> great....difference between that unit and rwhitby-away is the DVI connector?
May 19 14:56:38 <dyoung> as far as I can tell, yes.
May 19 15:18:29 <ziL> Is it the hardware in the nslu2 that is the bottleneck? (As usb2 _should_ be able to sustain speeds over 800Kb/s, right?)
May 19 15:32:33 <rwhitby-web> ok, who broke ipkg, and how are they going to fix it for those that have downloaded the broken version>
May 19 15:42:45 <rwhitby-tokyo> p3pilot: I believe dyoung's unit and mine are identical - mine has DVI output too
May 19 15:43:18 <p3pilot> that is what I was thinking....makes a very nice unit for the price with the DVI
May 19 15:43:47 <rwhitby-tokyo> Be careful about which resolutions it can do ...
May 19 15:44:09 <rwhitby-tokyo> So no-one knows how ipkg got broke?
May 19 15:44:31 * rwhitby-tokyo can't access CVS from there to fine the culprit ...
May 19 15:45:03 <p3pilot> well I just bought the IO-Data player, so probably not looking at anything new for a little bit
May 19 15:46:45 <eno> rwhitby-tokyo, i can paste cvs log or cvs diff of make/ipkg.mk here
May 19 15:46:52 <eno> if you want
May 19 15:47:34 <ka6sox-office> eno: can you see who submitted it?
May 19 15:47:58 <eno> jeanfabrice promoted 1.1 for wiley
May 19 15:48:04 <rwhitby-tokyo> eno: need to know when/who the top-level packages Makefile got changed to add an "ipkg" package to the nslu2 feed.
May 19 15:48:29 <rwhitby-tokyo> For wiley it's fine - it's promoting it for nslu2 which is the problem (cause it is inbuilt for nslu2)
May 19 15:48:29 <eno> i think it could be a bad interaction between wiley and slug packages
May 19 15:48:42 <eno> just one sec
May 19 15:49:13 <rwhitby-tokyo> can someone with CVS write remove "ipkg" from the nslu2 packages list, and then get jp30 to release a new Packages file?
May 19 15:49:34 <rwhitby-tokyo> there should never be an "ipkg" package in any nslu2 feed
May 19 15:50:16 <eno> revision 1.531
May 19 15:50:16 <eno> date: 2005/05/17 16:27:00;  author: jp30;  state: Exp;  lines: +4 -6
May 19 15:50:16 <eno> promote chrpath, sane-backends, ipkg
May 19 15:51:26 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: ipkg should not be a cross package for nslu2
May 19 15:52:11 <eno> the problem is how to help those that download the ipkg
May 19 15:52:50 <rwhitby-tokyo> ok, I have removed the .ipk from the nslu2 cross feed directory
May 19 15:53:03 <rwhitby-tokyo> eno: thx
May 19 15:53:30 <eno> no problem. I actually "upgrade" to that broken ipkg
May 19 15:54:52 <rwhitby-tokyo> ok, I hand-edited the Packages file.  can someone check that ipkg update still works, and that there is no "ipkg" package available now?
May 19 15:55:25 <eno> by "cp -rp /share/hdd/conf/usr/lib/ipkg/* /opt/lib/ipkg/", /opt/bin/ipkg seems to cope
May 19 15:56:46 <rwhitby-tokyo> someone needs to work out how Joe User can easily back out of that bad upgrade by some simple steps, and then post that to nslu2-linux and nslu2-general
May 19 15:57:33 <rwhitby-tokyo> ok, I've stopped the problem spreading, someone else will need to clean up as this is making me late for meetings
May 19 15:57:38 <rwhitby-tokyo> bye
May 19 15:58:37 <ka6sox-office> bye
May 19 15:59:02 <McTails> !ping
May 19 16:05:33 <ka6sox-office> eno, is there an easy cure for this?
May 19 16:05:47 <McTails> What?
May 19 16:05:52 <ka6sox-office> (something that could be put in a wikipage that we could point people to?)
May 19 16:06:03 <McTails> ... what?
May 19 16:06:24 <McTails> point people to where from where
May 19 16:06:26 <McTails> ^?
May 19 16:06:29 <ka6sox-office> moment McTails...
May 19 16:06:38 <McTails> k
May 19 16:11:35 <ka6sox-office> McTails, we have a package problem that we are resolving thats all.
May 19 16:12:12 <ka6sox-office> and I'm just trying to come up with a wikipage that we can use to help people that have the problem to fix the problem.
May 19 16:12:22 <McTails> What's the problem
May 19 16:12:38 <McTails> packages moved servers?
May 19 16:19:39 <ka6sox-office> a bad package got in the feed.
May 19 16:19:49 <McTails> Ew
May 19 16:20:13 <McTails> Why not replace the package w/ one that runs a preinstall saying it's busted and to fix to etc, etc ,etc
May 19 16:20:43 <ByronT> because it completely kills the ipkg feeds
May 19 16:21:07 <ByronT> if the ipkg feed is dead for them, they won't be able to get you "preinstall"
May 19 16:21:16 <McTails> Oh
May 19 16:21:18 <McTails> I see
May 19 16:21:45 <ByronT> it's being handled... eno and ka6sox are doing the dirty work of fixing it
May 19 16:25:38 <McTails> I see
May 19 16:34:48 <ka6sox-office> okay eno has provided the solution and I'll turn the ML post into a wikipage so that it can be found by others.
May 19 16:37:11 <McTails> I see
May 19 16:45:20 <Tiersten> dyoung: You around?
May 19 16:48:04 <NAiL> ka6sox-office: you pinged earlier. Any specific reason? 
May 19 16:48:48 <ByronT> we like to ping?
May 19 16:49:29 <NAiL> ping pong is fun, yes ;)
May 19 16:49:54 <NAiL> I suspect it has something to do with a cable 
May 19 16:55:00 <eno> ka6sox-office, i was away for a little while. The temporary workaround for the problem is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/6336 and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/6333
May 19 16:56:00 <eno> we need to discuss with jp30 about a permanent fix
May 19 16:56:34 <ka6sox-office> eno, yes...I saw the ML information...and am fashioning a wiki page from the ML post.
May 19 16:57:24 <ka6sox-office> and we will definatly need to talk to jp-30 re: the "permenant" fix.
May 19 16:58:04 <eno> since right now i'm using /opt/bin/ipkg, and ppl not affected by this are using /usr/bin/ipkg
May 19 16:59:42 <eno> please look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/6338 as well, I think /usr/lib/ipkg is more general location to copy from
May 19 16:59:53 <eno> applies to both 3.x and 4.x
May 19 17:03:07 <NAiL> .
May 19 17:10:37 <[g2]> Tiersten, ping
May 19 17:11:11 <Tiersten> Hey
May 19 17:11:28 <[g2]> Tiersten, I hear you are the PHP man is that true ?
May 19 17:11:33 <[g2]> s/man/MAN/
May 19 17:12:03 <Tiersten> Yeah
May 19 17:12:15 <[g2]> did you hear much about Sluggix ?
May 19 17:12:37 <Tiersten> Nope
May 19 17:13:23 <[g2]> I made a custom Knoppix yesterday that has all the goods to build OpenSlug and Unslung.  Just add Bitbake, meta data and tarballs
May 19 17:13:45 <[g2]> the next version will have everything but the tarballs
May 19 17:13:57 <[g2]> snap shot anyway and they could SVN up 
May 19 17:14:03 <Tiersten> ahh
May 19 17:14:18 <Tiersten> Cool.  That should help out with people that don't have a full time Linux machine
May 19 17:14:26 <[g2]> exactly
May 19 17:14:48 <[g2]> they'll just need about 5-6G and a partition or two
May 19 17:15:07 <[g2]> maybe 4-5 I haven't measured
May 19 17:15:12 <[g2]> but pretty simple
May 19 17:16:09 <[g2]> So what I wanted to play with was when the boot load it could lauch the browser and have a configuration menu that builds either Unslung or OpenSlug after clicking some options and possibly packages
May 19 17:16:19 <Tiersten> Ah
May 19 17:16:33 <[g2]> hence the question about the PHP
May 19 17:16:49 <Tiersten> The problem is that the script will run as nobody or apache in most configurations
May 19 17:17:09 <[g2]> that's fine
May 19 17:17:29 <[g2]> nobody is in a group right ?
May 19 17:17:58 <Tiersten> yeah
May 19 17:18:12 <[g2]> the knoppix or unslung or openslug user can have read access to the group or world and it can pull the config file generated
May 19 17:18:31 <Tiersten> Oh.  You only want it to generate a config file?
May 19 17:18:31 <[g2]> or visa versa
May 19 17:19:08 <[g2]> I was thinking a simple config file that would then tweak out all the options or control the build
May 19 17:19:23 <[g2]> another program would handle that
May 19 17:19:35 <[g2]> probably a shell script to start
May 19 17:19:46 <Tiersten> If the script just has to generate the config file then it shouldn't be that hard to do
May 19 17:20:09 <[g2]> things aren't supposed to be hard :)
May 19 17:20:15 <[g2]> well most things :)
May 19 17:20:43 <Tiersten> :)
May 19 17:22:09 <[g2]> I guess I could put the UNSLUNG builds on there too and then allow all that stuff to be selectable and buildable
May 19 17:22:20 <[g2]> all the packages
May 19 17:23:07 <Tiersten> Could do
May 19 17:26:26 <[g2]> Tiersten, different topic (HW)
May 19 17:26:46 <Tiersten> k
May 19 17:26:51 <[g2]> are the pins there for 128MB on memory and 16MB and 32MB Flash ?
May 19 17:27:11 <[g2]> meaning are all the traces there ?
May 19 17:27:16 <[g2]> I thought you might know
May 19 17:27:24 <ka6sox-office> Allan knows.
May 19 17:27:46 <Tiersten> Erm.  I think the pins are there for the memory.  Can't remember about the flash
May 19 17:29:00 <[g2]> I think maybe be able just to look at the traces 
May 19 17:29:10 <Tiersten> Yeah
May 19 17:31:06 <Tiersten> Speaking of which, we really need to get Allan to take another pic of the board
May 19 17:32:20 <[g2]> Tiersten, the current 32M memory is a 8M16 configuration
May 19 17:32:31 <[g2]> 8M16 x 2 chips
May 19 17:32:40 <Tiersten> Yeah
May 19 17:32:58 <[g2]> So I"m having those chips swapped out for a 16M16 x 2 config
May 19 17:33:17 <Tiersten> You're going to piggy back it or just stay with that?
May 19 17:33:53 <[g2]> swap out and replace the chips to start off 
May 19 17:34:11 <Tiersten> I'm pretty sure you're okay with that
May 19 17:34:13 <[g2]> that's the memory config the avila is in and works fine
May 19 17:34:17 <Tiersten> I'm trying to find my notes on it since it's been a while
May 19 17:34:50 <[g2]> I'm wondering about the next bump out because that'll change the configuration
May 19 17:35:23 <[g2]> I'd guess that be a 32x16 x 2 chips
May 19 17:36:12 <Tiersten> ka6sox: Didn't you look into that?
May 19 17:36:20 <Tiersten> You said the chips were quite pricey
May 19 17:37:07 <ka6sox-office> $109/ea
May 19 17:47:02 <[g2]> well the RV082 has an extra set of pads laid out for both memory and flash
May 19 17:47:16 <Tiersten> [g2]: A12 seems to be connected so you should be able to use a 16M16
May 19 17:53:25 <Tiersten> Assuming my scrawled notes are correct and you can source the parts then you can use 512Mbit chips piggybacked
May 19 17:54:23 <[g2]> Ummm.....
May 19 17:54:34 <Tiersten> ?
May 19 17:54:51 <[g2]> $29.9 Q 25 at DigiKey for 32x16 http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=293244&Row=161414&Site=US
May 19 17:54:56 <[g2]> did I mess something up ?
May 19 17:55:11 <Tiersten> Nah.  For the bigger chips
May 19 17:55:43 <[g2]> well that's the chip that gets us to 128M
May 19 17:56:02 <Tiersten> 512Mbit chips were the expensive ones
May 19 17:56:41 <[g2]> that is a 512Mbit chip
May 19 17:57:03 <ka6sox-office> so another $70/ea for 128MB.
May 19 17:57:12 <ka6sox-office> almost the price of the Slug :)
May 19 17:57:15 <Tiersten> Ah yeah.  In that case, no clue what ka6sox was looking at :)
May 19 17:57:32 <ka6sox-office> I was looking 6 months ago.
May 19 17:57:43 <ka6sox-office> and it was $109 for 2 chips.
May 19 17:57:53 <ka6sox-office> 32M16
May 19 17:58:00 <[g2]> prices back there were probaby 109 for the two chips
May 19 17:58:14 <ka6sox-office> ya
May 19 17:58:29 <[g2]> is digikey a good place to get parts ?
May 19 17:58:35 <Tiersten> They're okay
May 19 17:58:44 <[g2]> Got a better place ?
May 19 17:59:31 <Tiersten> I'm in the UK so most of the places I use wouldn't' be useful for you
May 19 17:59:33 <ka6sox-office> they are okay in that you can buy almost any quyanity.
May 19 17:59:50 <ka6sox-office> and if we buy 25 that price is pretty good.
May 19 18:00:05 <[g2]> that's what I did for my first buy
May 19 18:00:30 <[g2]> on the 16M16
May 19 18:01:14 <ka6sox-office> not a bad price for those.
May 19 18:01:26 <[g2]> $8.4
May 19 18:01:31 <ka6sox-office> yep
May 19 18:01:45 <[g2]> it's OK
May 19 18:22:25 <blainelefebvre> hi all
May 19 18:36:01 <[g2]> jbowler-zzz, dyoung around ?
May 19 19:25:04 <[g2]> really ?
May 19 19:50:13 <dyoung-web> [g2] around
May 19 19:50:22 <dyoung-web> Tiersten: pong
May 19 19:50:42 <dyoung-web> thats a great price for the 32M16.
May 19 19:50:49 <dyoung-web> theyre actually in stock now too
May 19 19:51:22 <[g2]> dyoung-web, nod
May 19 20:06:37 <jacques> what's that get us? 64MB slugs?
May 19 20:06:46 <jacques> sign me up :-)
May 19 20:07:42 <[g2]> serial, jtag too!
May 19 20:07:47 <[g2]> well the serial header
May 19 20:09:07 <dyoung-web> 16M16's gets us 64M slugs.  if the line(s) are there for 32M16, thats 128MB.
May 19 20:09:28 <[g2]> nod.
May 19 20:09:47 <[g2]> SO are you guys ready for the 64MB question ?
May 19 20:10:00 <dyoung-web> and if we ever work out the technique for stacking, I have enough parts for lots of 64M slugs today.  But with the 32M16 stacked, thats a full 256MB. :-)
May 19 20:10:16 <dyoung-web> Lay it on me G.
May 19 20:10:40 <[g2]> I've got a known good 64MB running APEX on the avila board
May 19 20:11:00 <[g2]> It'll take me about 30 seconds to load APEX and get 64MB running with OpenSlug
May 19 20:11:05 <[g2]> if that
May 19 20:11:38 <[g2]> however..... The question is do we try to fix Redboot for 64MB or just go with APEX ?
May 19 20:13:10 <dyoung-web> For Fatslugs?
May 19 20:13:24 <[g2]> nod.
May 19 20:13:29 <dyoung-web> Apex baby.
May 19 20:13:40 <dyoung-web> Mostly because it already works.
May 19 20:13:47 <jacques> APEX
May 19 20:13:55 <dyoung-web> (ie: *I* dont have to screw around with redboot)
May 19 20:13:59 <jacques> redboot can bite me   ;-P
May 19 20:15:14 <dyoung-web> flashing apex is fast too.  Besides I like the spinner. :-)
May 19 20:15:36 <[g2]> I've only ever flashed from linux :)
May 19 20:15:45 <[g2]> flasing redboot is like 5 seconds
May 19 20:16:00 <[g2]> I've probably done it 50 times
May 19 20:16:15 <dyoung-web> yeah, but you cant do it if you cant boot to linux first.
May 19 20:16:19 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (make/postgresql.mk sources/postgresql/rc.postgresql): upstream upgrade to 8.0.3, change rc script style to do start/stop/restart
May 19 20:16:38 <[g2]> that's why I tested on the avila first :)
May 19 20:16:49 <dyoung-web> its all happy until you have a busted one.
May 19 20:17:20 <[g2]> hey I should be JTAG enabled soon :)
May 19 20:17:42 <dyoung-web> So am I the only person thats actually seen the nslu2_spinner in action??
May 19 20:17:51 <dyoung-web> (other than Beewoolie)
May 19 20:17:52 <[g2]> I see it
May 19 20:18:00 <[g2]> I've got serial
May 19 20:18:03 <dyoung-web> I love that spinner.
May 19 20:19:03 <[g2]> ok I removed the RTC stuff to test NTP
May 19 20:19:04 <dyoung-web> I could attempt to make redboot work though.
May 19 20:19:18 <[g2]> how can I set my date other than typing one in
May 19 20:19:43 <[g2]> ntpdc> peers
May 19 20:19:43 <[g2]>      remote           local      st poll reach  delay   offset    disp
May 19 20:19:43 <[g2]> =======================================================================
May 19 20:19:43 <[g2]> =otc2.psu.edu    192.168.123.2    2  128    7 0.04889 -10309251 1.93811
May 19 20:19:43 <[g2]> =ntp-4.cns.vt.ed 192.168.123.2    2  128    7 0.03535 -10309251 1.93811
May 19 20:19:48 <dyoung-web> rdate -s somplace
May 19 20:19:50 <[g2]> I'm *so* 1970's
May 19 20:20:08 <[g2]> ain't got no rdate
May 19 20:20:17 <jacques> is the reason ppl are still interested in redboot with 64MB for the NPE support?
May 19 20:20:19 <dyoung-web> ntptimeset ?
May 19 20:21:12 <[g2]> ntp
May 19 20:21:12 <[g2]> ntp-wait   ntpd       ntpdate    ntpdc      ntpq       ntptime    ntptrace
May 19 20:21:26 <dyoung-web> jacques, yes for recovery purposes.  Then unslung folk might be able to make use of the Fatslug.
May 19 20:22:07 <jacques> dyoung-web, OK I can see that
May 19 20:23:24 <dyoung-web> I dont really need it for myself; I would serial enable the candidate slug.
May 19 20:23:56 <jacques> well then is sounds like a low priority :-D
May 19 20:24:26 <[g2]> ntpdc> peers
May 19 20:24:27 <[g2]>      remote           local      st poll reach  delay   offset    disp
May 19 20:24:27 <[g2]> =======================================================================
May 19 20:24:27 <[g2]> =otc2.psu.edu    192.168.123.2    2  128    7 0.04935 -0.115173 1.93825
May 19 20:24:27 <[g2]> =ntp-4.cns.vt.ed 192.168.123.2    2  128    7 0.03569  0.003288 1.93871
May 19 20:24:27 <[g2]> =bob.greenwood.w 192.168.123.2    2  128    7 0.34244 -0.007437 1.93848
May 19 20:24:40 <[g2]> that's a lot closer
May 19 20:24:52 <dyoung-web> hehe amd I'm kind of thikning that the sluggo build script has most of it in there now anyways.  And if shouldnt be too much of a stretch for someone to fix the remaining 1 or 2 things.
May 19 20:25:14 <[g2]> well that's the real question
May 19 20:25:53 <[g2]> if nobody wants an upgrade with APEX then I'd have to mod Redboot. My preference is to mod APEX
May 19 20:27:26 <jacques> for me APEX is fine
May 19 20:30:44 <dyoung-web> [g2] the redboot mod at this point should be minor.
May 19 20:31:04 <[g2]> dyoung-web, Ok you wanna play with it ?
May 19 20:31:04 <dyoung-web> I'm still voting apex though.
May 19 20:31:21 <dyoung-web> I've always said I'll fix redboot when I get a fatslug.
May 19 20:31:37 <dyoung-web> its a little bit of a pain to not have one on hand for testing.
May 19 20:32:12 <[g2]> hopefully very soon
May 19 20:32:38 <dyoung-web> I need to send some 16M16's to the Slug Fattening Sweatshop.
May 19 21:29:58 <dyoung-web> ~seen lennert
May 19 21:30:12 <jbot> lennert <~buytenh@alephnull.demon.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 14d 13h 56m 12s ago, saying: 'ok, gotta run!'.
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