**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 23:59:57 2005
Jun 03 03:07:11 <dyoung> anyone around?
Jun 03 03:07:19 <dyoung> okay lets qualify that.
Jun 03 03:07:25 <dyoung> jacques or rwhitby around?
Jun 03 03:30:09 <copperbeech> I have just been surprised by getting an email from Andrew Tridgell in my mail box... 
Jun 03 03:30:46 <copperbeech> unfortunately not as exciting as I thought when I realised it was a post to the appWeb mailing list
Jun 03 03:31:13 <copperbeech> http://www.mbedthis.com/pipermail/appweb-dev/2005-June/thread.html
Jun 03 03:31:32 <copperbeech> apparently looks like they are using appweb for some part of samba 4.
Jun 03 03:32:04 * copperbeech has now got a raw knoppix install working...
Jun 03 05:11:31 <mr_claus> hmm, i finished working with my nslu2 2 days ago and now i cannot login with ssh again
Jun 03 05:11:43 <mr_claus> no web frontend
Jun 03 05:11:45 <rwhitby> jbowler-zzz: we'll also have to handle the update of /boot with update-kernel too, as ipkg will only do it on the external rootfs, and it needs to be updated in the jffs2
Jun 03 05:11:46 <mr_claus> no ssh
Jun 03 05:21:19 <mr_claus> which could be the right password, is there a default password which is being used with dropbear ssh?
Jun 03 05:21:27 <mr_claus> i have set the password but i cannot login
Jun 03 05:30:18 <copperbeech> mr_claus: have you read through http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseDropBearForRemoteAccess
Jun 03 05:30:29 <copperbeech> or http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseOpenSSHForRemoteAccess
Jun 03 05:32:26 <mr_claus> copperbeech: yes i have read a few weeks ago as i started but perhaps something has changed with the last upgrade
Jun 03 05:33:17 <copperbeech> ok - these howtos set-up dropbear and open-ssh not to accept password verification, only key verification
Jun 03 05:33:28 <copperbeech> that might be something woth checking.
Jun 03 05:33:51 <mr_claus> copperbeech: hmm, but it worked with password verfication 2 days ago
Jun 03 05:34:19 <copperbeech> ok - what exactly did you upgrade?
Jun 03 05:42:55 <mr_claus> copperbeech: i upgraded nothing, i run passwd and it worked, today its not working anymore
Jun 03 05:43:13 <mr_claus> copperbeech: but i think anything was changed but i cannot say what i changed
Jun 03 05:43:39 <mr_claus> copperbeech: is there a way use passwords instead of keys?
Jun 03 05:44:01 <copperbeech> changing passwords is a bit tricky - I assume you followed the ins and outs described in the wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine
Jun 03 05:44:54 <copperbeech> I think dropbear and openssh default to use of passwords... the two howtos for dropbear and openssh above change the configuration to use keys for security reasons when opening up the slug to the internet.
Jun 03 05:53:52 <mr_claus> but should dropbear not take the passwords from /opt/etc/password instead of /usr/local/passwd and /share/hdd/conf/passwd?
Jun 03 05:54:14 <mr_claus> or is /opt/etc/passwd == /etc/passwd if unslung was done?
Jun 03 05:55:25 <mr_claus> or is /share/hdd/conf/passwd linked to /opt/etc/passwd?
Jun 03 06:01:56 <copperbeech> if you look at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine it shows which are individual files and which are links... either way they all need to be the same.
Jun 03 06:02:20 <copperbeech> sorry I meant : http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/FAQ#faq7
Jun 03 06:05:17 <mr_claus> is the FAQ 4.20 ready? it seems that with 4.20 the files are in /share/hdd/data instead of /share/hdd/conf
Jun 03 06:08:53 <copperbeech> The FAQ may not detail that but it was a change which was made in 4.20 to default the /opt folder onto the data partition where there was more space for installing packages.
Jun 03 06:09:34 <copperbeech> have you done a > find / -name 'passwd' ?
Jun 03 06:09:59 <mr_claus> copperbeech: at the moment i have no running nslu2
Jun 03 06:10:20 <mr_claus> copperbeech: but i will switch off the disk and reboot and switch it on again
Jun 03 06:10:23 <copperbeech> because the password issue?
Jun 03 06:12:33 <mr_claus> yes, and the web interface is not running too, i dont know why
Jun 03 06:12:41 <mr_claus> so i cannot telnet into my box
Jun 03 06:14:40 <mr_claus> /etc/passwd
Jun 03 06:14:40 <mr_claus> /usr/bin/passwd
Jun 03 06:14:40 <mr_claus> /usr/local/passwd
Jun 03 06:14:40 <mr_claus> find: /proc/9/fd: No such file or directory
Jun 03 06:14:56 <mr_claus> /etc/passwd
Jun 03 06:14:56 <copperbeech> can you even see your box ? is the ip address correct?
Jun 03 06:14:58 <mr_claus> /usr/bin/passwd
Jun 03 06:15:00 <mr_claus> /usr/local/passwd
Jun 03 06:15:11 <mr_claus> yes because i can use ssh but i cannot login
Jun 03 06:15:45 <copperbeech> have you tried booting it without disks attached and trying the web interface then?
Jun 03 06:16:25 <copperbeech> (with no disks attached it will be the default passwords "uNSLUng" for telnet and "admin" for the web site IIRC
Jun 03 06:17:02 <mr_claus> yes of course, booted now without disks attached, activated telnet with the webinterface and login
Jun 03 06:17:11 <mr_claus> i plugged in the disk after the boot process
Jun 03 06:17:24 <mr_claus> not i have to repair the things are not working
Jun 03 06:17:46 <copperbeech> ok - and then can the lines you pasted above gibe the results of the find / -name 'passwd' ?
Jun 03 06:17:53 <copperbeech> gibe = give
Jun 03 06:18:08 <mr_claus> yes, but i did a mistake with posting
Jun 03 06:18:15 <mr_claus> /etc/passwd
Jun 03 06:18:15 <mr_claus> /usr/bin/passwd
Jun 03 06:18:15 <mr_claus> /usr/local/passwd
Jun 03 06:18:15 <mr_claus> find: /proc/9/fd: No such file or directory
Jun 03 06:18:23 <mr_claus> hmm, something wrong here
Jun 03 06:18:47 <mr_claus> hmm, yes the / at the beginning perhaps :)
Jun 03 06:19:14 <mr_claus> doesn't matter, so i will copy the /etc/passwd to all other locations now?
Jun 03 06:19:44 <copperbeech> I would say so - as per the wiki  http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine
Jun 03 06:19:46 <mr_claus> but what i need to know, which version will be used by dropbear?
Jun 03 06:21:48 <copperbeech> good question - not sure. But should not matter if they are all the same.
Jun 03 06:21:57 <copperbeech> They all should be the same.
Jun 03 06:22:24 <copperbeech> As I mentioned before I have never faced this problem because I use public/private key pairs.
Jun 03 06:35:42 <mr_claus> ok, copied the password and rebooted without a disks connected
Jun 03 06:35:52 <mr_claus> no web interface, no telnet
Jun 03 06:35:54 <mr_claus> :/
Jun 03 06:36:05 <mr_claus> but i can ping the machine
Jun 03 06:39:09 <mr_claus> ok, i will continue that work on weekend, thx for your help
Jun 03 12:01:25 <giel> <_<
Jun 03 12:01:27 <giel> >_>
Jun 03 12:07:52 <copperbeech> ~jbot, seen [g2]
Jun 03 12:07:59 <jbot> [g2] <~g2@g2.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 13h 37m 32s ago, saying: 'nite all'.
Jun 03 13:55:57 <copperbeech> I've just managed to get linux installed on my laptop and have got the build tree from CVS... but...
Jun 03 13:56:17 <copperbeech> when I type make toolchain it is failing with an error:
Jun 03 13:57:11 <copperbeech> tar: /home/mcneillm/unslung/toolchain: cannot chdir: No such file or directory
Jun 03 13:57:18 <copperbeech> anyone out there got any ideas?
Jun 03 13:58:07 <llagendijk> are you using the same userid as when you retieved the build tree from cvs?
Jun 03 13:58:23 <dyoung> make directories
Jun 03 13:58:27 <copperbeech> no - but I did a chown so it was equivalent.
Jun 03 13:58:47 <dyoung> "make directories" rather.
Jun 03 13:58:47 <llagendijk> just to be sure: cd  /home/mcneillm/unslung/toolchain
Jun 03 13:58:48 <copperbeech> aaaahhh make directories!!!
Jun 03 13:59:03 <copperbeech> dir mkdir toolchain and it seems to be off now.
Jun 03 13:59:17 <copperbeech> what should I make first before the toolchain?
Jun 03 13:59:30 <dyoung> "directories" . :-)
Jun 03 13:59:39 <copperbeech> what about the make ipkg ?
Jun 03 14:00:02 <dyoung> I think it makes that as a dependency later.
Jun 03 14:02:06 <copperbeech> gosh it's so fast compared to the slug!
Jun 03 14:02:46 <dyoung> uh huh.
Jun 03 14:03:12 <copperbeech> This experience of tweaking a .mk file ha been a real "horse-shoe nail" job!
Jun 03 14:03:25 <dyoung> learning is fun.
Jun 03 14:03:57 <copperbeech> I've been having to learn GRUB, Knoppix, Debian, XP multiboot etc etc etc
Jun 03 14:04:30 <copperbeech> yeah it's been kind of fun in a sadistic way.
Jun 03 14:05:06 * copperbeech gave up on getting the wireless networking to work... ended up just sticking in a RJ45 and sacking it!
Jun 03 14:06:12 <Christopher> my second slug came yesterday :-)
Jun 03 14:06:24 <copperbeech> what you going to do with it?
Jun 03 14:06:37 <Christopher> use it with openslug, possibly make a fatslug out of it
Jun 03 14:06:50 <Christopher> this way I can run openslug and unslung at the same time
Jun 03 14:07:13 <copperbeech> I'm still on unslung 3.18 - I haven't had the time to go back to basics and install 4.20
Jun 03 14:07:26 <Christopher> I think i'll run most of my applications on one box and then have only apache running on the other
Jun 03 14:07:46 <copperbeech> [g2] hey!!
Jun 03 14:07:57 <Christopher> yeah, i haven't installed 4.20 yet
Jun 03 14:08:04 <[g2]> copperbeech, hey!
Jun 03 14:08:35 <copperbeech> I've just managed to get Knoppix installed to a harddisk and dual booting - the toolchain is making itself as we speak...
Jun 03 14:08:45 <copperbeech> [g2] what's the news
Jun 03 14:08:51 <[g2]> copperbeech cool!
Jun 03 14:09:06 <[g2]> you probably don't need to dual boot
Jun 03 14:09:15 <[g2]> but that's nice too :)
Jun 03 14:09:25 <copperbeech> he he - I do. It's not my laptop and work needs XP.
Jun 03 14:09:46 <copperbeech> I was booting off a CD but of course it's non-persistent
Jun 03 14:10:00 <[g2]> no I meant you only would need one or two linux partitions and no Linux install :)
Jun 03 14:10:31 <[g2]> there's an option for having persistent info (on the said partition) :)
Jun 03 14:10:57 <jp30-work> copperbeech, congrats on getting the cross build system working
Jun 03 14:11:10 <copperbeech> hmmm yes but i just thought I might as well install it to the partition. I didn't have to change the MBR because I am using grldr and adding the Grub bootloader to the Windows XP boot.ini which is a really nice option
Jun 03 14:11:49 <jp30-work> we'll be seeing a cross-built php enabled appweb 2.0.0 with singing and dancing and doing your dishes for you soon?
Jun 03 14:12:20 <[g2]> jp30-work, I was looking on the wiki for those apache notes :)
Jun 03 14:12:29 <copperbeech> he he - I need to pick your brains about that php one day when I get back up the "call-stack" from GRUB to appWeb again.
Jun 03 14:13:42 <[g2]> do you guys know if there's a way to securely tunnel the ipk stuff ?
Jun 03 14:13:45 <jp30-work> [g2], i'll get to them
Jun 03 14:14:09 <[g2]> jp30-work, nod. I'll be gone for most of the weekend
Jun 03 14:15:31 <copperbeech> [g2] if you want any help with testing of the knoppix iso - let me know. I'm also intending to write some wiki stuff alongside it when it becomes available.
Jun 03 14:17:07 <[g2]> copperbeech, ok.  Right now I'm unsure what the best way to create the swap and data area is
Jun 03 14:17:12 <[g2]> on an NTFS system
Jun 03 14:17:42 <copperbeech> what are the options
Jun 03 14:18:18 <[g2]> there's some chant at creates and image in a single file which can be used for swap
Jun 03 14:18:42 <[g2]> we could basically do that twice (one for swap the other for data)
Jun 03 14:18:49 <[g2]> that's option a)
Jun 03 14:18:57 <copperbeech> ok
Jun 03 14:19:23 <[g2]> option b) is tell'm to use ghost/norton and make some space on a partition avialable
Jun 03 14:19:35 <copperbeech> isn;t there a problem getting write access to NTFS?
Jun 03 14:19:40 <[g2]> option c) is plug in an extrnal USB 2.0 drive and do it all there
Jun 03 14:19:58 <[g2]> I think with option a) you can do it to a single file or two
Jun 03 14:20:04 <copperbeech> I went for (b)
Jun 03 14:20:10 <[g2]> nod.
Jun 03 14:20:25 <[g2]> you went b+ where you actually dual boot
Jun 03 14:20:27 <copperbeech> One thing I have been doing is booting from the ISO on an NTFS drive
Jun 03 14:21:16 <copperbeech> Well I booted from the ISO and did an HD install to the partition and then sussed out grub to boot that partition... calling grub from XP boot.ini
Jun 03 14:21:29 <copperbeech> I think the problem is that there are too many options.
Jun 03 14:21:54 <[g2]> right, you could just boot from the iso, install the persistent data and on subsequent boots just use that
Jun 03 14:21:54 <copperbeech> Is our intention to select one and then leave the other options open to the expert user?
Jun 03 14:22:10 <[g2]> then you wouldn't need the dual-boot stuff
Jun 03 14:22:43 * [g2] is extending and olive branch to the non-Linux crowd
Jun 03 14:22:49 <[g2]> an olive
Jun 03 14:23:06 <llagendijk> jp30-work, did you make any progress with apache?
Jun 03 14:23:10 <copperbeech> I think that the baseline should be to boot from an ISO - either from a CD or from an image - I can write a wiki for that
Jun 03 14:23:56 <copperbeech> the question is about the dynamic data and how best to manage that... how realistic is it to have data partiton files on NTFS?
Jun 03 14:24:19 <[g2]> it's a single file that's loop mounted
Jun 03 14:24:42 <copperbeech> yep - but what about the write access to NTFS?
Jun 03 14:25:01 <[g2]> I don't think that's ready for prime-time yet
Jun 03 14:25:18 <[g2]> if it was/is then there'd be no need to create the file/partition
Jun 03 14:25:22 <copperbeech> no that's my underatanding too.. so that crosses out option (a)
Jun 03 14:25:49 <[g2]> I think there's a way to do it with a single file or two
Jun 03 14:25:54 <copperbeech> so now the question is between option (b) or option (c) and to be honest I think we need to support both
Jun 03 14:26:07 <jacques> hmm, i just read something about NTFS write the other day
Jun 03 14:26:09 <[g2]> meaning for swap or for a loop mount partition you'd create 1 or 2 files
Jun 03 14:26:19 <copperbeech> yes? how do you see it?
Jun 03 14:26:22 <[g2]> and it's only accessing information associated with those files
Jun 03 14:26:27 <jacques> it was a FAQ - apparently there are two completely separate NTFS drivers
Jun 03 14:27:18 <copperbeech> I think I remember - one has some read-write capabilities - but immature and only limited to already existing files, the other was a wrapper around a windows file
Jun 03 14:27:34 <[g2]> my guess at how it works is it's just accessing the data of the file and not chaning the filesystem at all
Jun 03 14:27:48 <[g2]> nod.
Jun 03 14:27:51 <jacques> someone understands NTFS, because ntfs-resize works perfectly
Jun 03 14:27:57 <jacques> you dont even have to defrag anymore
Jun 03 14:28:17 <copperbeech> How reliable is it?
Jun 03 14:28:26 <jacques> from everything I have read, extremely
Jun 03 14:28:53 <jacques> as in no known failures other than human error
Jun 03 14:28:56 <copperbeech> What about having a 0.1 release which supports options (b) and (c) and leaving option (a) for 0.2 ?
Jun 03 14:29:00 <[g2]> if that's avialable then if the user has space and a free partition then they can resize ntfs and create the new partition
Jun 03 14:29:22 <jacques> ubuntu has the resize capability as part of their install
Jun 03 14:29:24 <[g2]> this is all a work-in-rapid-progress
Jun 03 14:29:28 <jacques> (using ntfs0resize)
Jun 03 14:29:34 <jacques> ntfs-resize
Jun 03 14:29:47 * [g2] boots up the knoppix box
Jun 03 14:30:09 * [g2] really digs powering-on from the keyboard
Jun 03 14:30:10 <copperbeech> [g2] don't you use an external USB drive for the persistent stuff?
Jun 03 14:30:27 <[g2]> copperbeech, it can be on a local drive
Jun 03 14:30:29 <jacques> I used the ubuntu install disc to resize the NTFS partition on my T42, then installed gentoo
Jun 03 14:30:52 <[g2]> jacques, somehow that doesn't surprise me :)
Jun 03 14:30:58 <copperbeech> Ubuntu live is quite cool - I tried it out a couple of days ago.
Jun 03 14:30:59 <jacques> :-)
Jun 03 14:31:22 <jacques> yeah, live worked great on the laptop too
Jun 03 14:31:22 <[g2]> I ran ubuntu live from inside qemu
Jun 03 14:31:30 <jacques> neat
Jun 03 14:31:51 <[g2]> it's fun to try out the distro's without actually burning the isos
Jun 03 14:32:51 <copperbeech> have you seen this: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Win_Partition
Jun 03 14:33:19 <copperbeech> You just throw the latest ISO in a folder and choose it from the grub menu... nice
Jun 03 14:34:00 <[g2]> is that just bootloader chaining ?
Jun 03 14:35:07 <copperbeech> basically it uses the XP boot.ini to chain grub which you can then use to chain the ISO, or in my adapted case, chain my HD install.
Jun 03 14:35:20 <copperbeech> it's nice because you never have to mess about with the MBR
Jun 03 14:36:26 <copperbeech> it's also nice because you never have to burn a CD
Jun 03 14:36:48 <copperbeech> and it's also nice again because to upgrade, all you have to do is copy over the ISO file
Jun 03 14:37:17 <copperbeech> and it's also even nicer than a CD because all the cheat-codes are saved in the grub menu-lst
Jun 03 14:38:40 <[g2]> copperbeech, I'll have to take a look at that and maybe try it out on the kids pc
Jun 03 14:38:57 <copperbeech> *laughs* 
Jun 03 14:39:14 <copperbeech> well it's pretty harmless so you should get away with it :-)
Jun 03 14:39:48 <[g2]> no, it's 2.5 years since any of my PCs have Window 'em
Jun 03 14:40:13 <[g2]> take the new laptop for example
Jun 03 14:40:26 <[g2]> I tested it ran knoppix before I bought it at the store
Jun 03 14:40:40 <[g2]> came home dd if=/dev/zero the whole drive
Jun 03 14:40:49 <[g2]> then freshly installed a knoppix
Jun 03 14:41:00 <[g2]> I've been to lazy to put gentoo on it
Jun 03 14:41:02 <copperbeech> You're lucky... The latest Compaq Laptop I got won't boot knoppix off a CD - the CD drive is USB and it falls over
Jun 03 14:41:15 <copperbeech> boots Ubuntu live OK though
Jun 03 14:41:25 * [g2] tries before he buys :)
Jun 03 14:41:58 * copperbeech is given whatever the current supplier work has decided to go with.
Jun 03 14:42:38 <copperbeech> The seem to change very often... I've had a Toshiba, a Dell, a Compaq and now they've gone to IBM
Jun 03 14:42:48 <copperbeech> crazy
Jun 03 14:44:05 <copperbeech> make toolchain is one very very big build!
Jun 03 14:44:21 <[g2]> 1-2GB
Jun 03 14:44:59 <[g2]> I'd be interested to see how fast the hd's run
Jun 03 14:45:09 <[g2]> the default setup is very slow
Jun 03 14:45:26 <[g2]> 3MB versus 24MB on my laptop
Jun 03 14:45:30 <copperbeech> which hds - my laptop hds on which knoppix is running?
Jun 03 14:45:38 <[g2]> nod.
Jun 03 14:45:46 <copperbeech> how would you test it?
Jun 03 14:45:53 <[g2]> hdparm -tT /dev/hda
Jun 03 14:45:56 <llagendijk> jp30-work, are you there?
Jun 03 14:46:14 <[g2]> use at your own risk of course
Jun 03 14:46:58 <jacques>  Timing buffered disk reads:  116 MB in  3.03 seconds =  38.23 MB/sec
Jun 03 14:47:13 <caplink811-away> ~seen byront
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Jun 03 14:47:25 <caplink811-away> ~botsnack
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Jun 03 14:48:19 <copperbeech> timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in 3.13 seconds = 26.16 MB/sec
Jun 03 14:48:40 <copperbeech> although that was with make toolchain running full tilt
Jun 03 14:48:47 <[g2]-amd64>  Timing buffered disk reads:  178 MB in  3.01 seconds =  59.16 MB/sec
Jun 03 14:49:14 <jacques> yeah my desktops get 57MB/s
Jun 03 14:49:21 <jacques> well the ones with 7200rpm drives
Jun 03 14:49:30 <jacques> I was just saying 38MB/s is damn good for a laptop
Jun 03 14:49:39 <[g2]> it is!
Jun 03 14:49:54 <copperbeech> yes it is...
Jun 03 14:50:14 <jacques> that 7200rpm laptop drive is apparently good for something
Jun 03 14:50:25 <[g2]> but when I'm on the laptop it'll either be when I'm far away  or I'll just ssh in to the desktops
Jun 03 14:50:40 <jacques> i dont think I can go down in speed when I upgrade - I need more than 60GB tho - 100GB 7200rpm drives are coming soon but will be $$$
Jun 03 14:51:07 <jacques>  Timing buffered disk reads:  174 MB in  3.01 seconds =  57.81 MB/sec  is one of my desktops
Jun 03 14:51:32 <copperbeech> you are talking to someone who has been compiling on a slug for the last couple of months - moving to a laptop is rather an experience
Jun 03 14:51:45 * copperbeech doesn't have a desktop
Jun 03 14:51:58 <jacques> heh
Jun 03 14:52:00 <[g2]> just like old-skool when things just took that long
Jun 03 14:52:09 <[g2]> like batch jobs and card readers
Jun 03 14:52:16 <copperbeech> *laughs*
Jun 03 14:53:27 <llagendijk> g2, are you THAT old?
Jun 03 14:55:53 <copperbeech> The first computers I really remember as a kid were ZX Spectrums
Jun 03 14:56:27 <copperbeech> I didn't even get my hands on a computer until I was about 13 (Acorn A3000 with an ARM2 processor)
Jun 03 14:56:28 <jp30-work> hi, llagendijk
Jun 03 14:56:44 <llagendijk> llagendijk, I did my first programming at school on a Sperry Remington from '58 I  believe....
Jun 03 14:57:01 <llagendijk> hi jp30-work 
Jun 03 14:57:17 <llagendijk> jp30-work, any progress on apache?
Jun 03 14:57:49 <llagendijk> copperbeech, you must be much younger then I am
Jun 03 14:58:02 <jp30-work> well, i've fixed the libraries problem you noticed, but i doubt that it was responsible for the segfault
Jun 03 14:58:09 <copperbeech> yeah - born in '75
Jun 03 14:58:19 <jp30-work> haven't had a chance to try it out on a wiley yet
Jun 03 14:59:15 <llagendijk> jp30-work, I seem to have some problems with the package for apache: when I install it, it complains in the ipkg run about 
Jun 03 14:59:18 <llagendijk> [admin@pheasant1 info]$ ipkg -V3 configure apache
Jun 03 14:59:18 <llagendijk> Configuring unpacked packages
Jun 03 14:59:18 <llagendijk> Configuring apache
Jun 03 14:59:18 <llagendijk> Running script //opt/lib/ipkg/info/apache.postinst
Jun 03 14:59:19 <llagendijk> mkdir: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg/': Read-only file system
Jun 03 14:59:51 <llagendijk> the /usr/lib/ipkg part is funny, I can't find where that comes from
Jun 03 15:00:17 <jp30-work> llagendijk, try building your own ipkg from unslung and using that. i have patched this bug but it isn't in the feed as jf-work isn't happy with putting ipkg in the feed yet
Jun 03 15:00:29 <jp30-work> jf, rather
Jun 03 15:00:37 <llagendijk> copperbeech, I'm from 58
Jun 03 15:00:44 <llagendijk> jp30-work, that is what I did
Jun 03 15:01:04 <jp30-work> odd. i thought i'd patched that
Jun 03 15:01:17 <llagendijk> I am actually trying to get gdb installed, so I compiled without stripping
Jun 03 15:01:32 <llagendijk> jp30-work, what was the problem?
Jun 03 15:01:34 <jp30-work> you have ipkg 0.99.148-4?
Jun 03 15:01:44 * copperbeech *toolchain built*
Jun 03 15:01:58 <[g2]> llagendijk, actually I *am* that old
Jun 03 15:02:10 <[g2]> I used punch cards in college
Jun 03 15:02:14 <dyoung> copperbeech, that wasnt too bad.  I think it takes an hour fo rme.
Jun 03 15:02:34 <llagendijk> g2, thought so, you must be at least as old as me to remember puch cards etc
Jun 03 15:02:45 <dyoung> Punch Cards are cool.
Jun 03 15:02:46 <[g2]> jacques, copperbeech ntfsresize is on the dvd and looks like it'll work
Jun 03 15:02:48 <jp30-work> llagendijk, must think back to what i did with ipkg... hmm...
Jun 03 15:03:18 <dyoung> Until you fall down carrying your stack and lazily didnt band them together.
Jun 03 15:03:20 <[g2]> dyoung, especially when you used the radix sorter to put the back in order using the numbers in column 73-80
Jun 03 15:03:21 <copperbeech> [g2] are you going to just realease a DVD or a CD as well?
Jun 03 15:03:40 <dyoung> yeah.  heh.
Jun 03 15:03:49 <[g2]> copperbeech, that's under consideration
Jun 03 15:04:00 <llagendijk> jp30-work, no, I have -2, will try to upgrade
Jun 03 15:04:08 <jacques> [g2], which version is it?
Jun 03 15:04:14 <copperbeech> I think it's an important factor for package developers rather than kernel developers
Jun 03 15:04:25 <[g2]> My DVD has a copy of all the metadata for OE and all the tarballs to go with it
Jun 03 15:04:39 <[g2]> jacques, version of the metadata or knoppix ?
Jun 03 15:04:40 * NAiL realizes he isn't old by far :P
Jun 03 15:04:47 <jp30-work> gotta go...
Jun 03 15:04:51 <jp30-work> bye for now
Jun 03 15:04:56 <[g2]> see ya
Jun 03 15:05:00 <copperbeech> yeah - thought so. That would be fantastic for kernel devs
Jun 03 15:05:10 <llagendijk> jp30-work, cu later
Jun 03 15:05:36 <llagendijk> llagendijk, doesn't feel old either
Jun 03 15:05:48 <copperbeech> however - from my perspective (as a noob package dev) I would just want a basic package cross development env.
Jun 03 15:05:51 <jacques> [g2], version of ntfsresize
Jun 03 15:05:59 <[g2]> V1.94
Jun 03 15:06:10 <[g2]> v1.94
Jun 03 15:06:19 <[g2]> if that matters :)
Jun 03 15:07:04 <jacques> [g2], ok great
Jun 03 15:07:06 * copperbeech has an appointment with his pillow
Jun 03 15:07:26 <copperbeech> will play with some appweb compilations tomorrow...
Jun 03 15:07:28 <jacques> "Choosing a distribution including ntfsresize version 1.9.0 or later is recommended, at least until NTFS gets resized, because it can also resize fragmented NTFS safely, there isn't even need for defragmentation in advance.
Jun 03 15:07:28 <jacques> "
Jun 03 15:07:41 <copperbeech> thats for all the help people...
Jun 03 15:08:22 <copperbeech> thats = thanks
Jun 03 15:10:05 <[g2]> jacques, Excellent
Jun 03 15:10:14 <[g2]> thx for the info and advice!
Jun 03 15:10:19 <jacques> np
Jun 03 15:10:34 <[g2]> so now option b) is pretty easy
Jun 03 15:10:49 <[g2]> cfdisk and see if there are not 4 partitions in use
Jun 03 15:11:11 <[g2]> then ntfsresize the main partition if there's room
Jun 03 15:11:30 <[g2]> the create a partition
Jun 03 15:12:00 <[g2]> create a swap space on the partition or a second partition (depending on the number of original partitions)
Jun 03 15:12:08 <[g2]> and create the persistent area
Jun 03 15:13:08 <[g2]> and boot with that option on subsequent reboots use the persistent data
Jun 03 15:13:20 <[g2]-away> dinner
Jun 03 15:23:47 <llagendijk> off o bed
Jun 03 21:23:33 <rhombus4d> can anyone give me a hand?  for some reason, my slug is not appearing on the network, and I don't know how to get it back ...
Jun 03 21:25:16 <rhombus4d> it had been working fine until I moved and had it unplugged for a week or so.  then, it was plugged in, but not connected to the network for a few days.
Jun 03 21:25:58 <rhombus4d> now that it's connected to the network, I just can't find it.  The linksys setup utility can't find it, either.
Jun 03 21:26:21 <rhombus4d> my router doesn't indicate having assigned an IP to it, either.  I'm baffled.
Jun 03 21:28:05 <rhombus4d> perhaps I'd better just post in the yahoo group ...
Jun 03 22:27:01 <rwhitby> The next version of Unslung should have no maintenance mode anymore.  We should just dd over the last block, and reboot into redboot upgrade mode, then force people to use UpSlug or SerComm.  No mess, no fuss, guaranteed to work.
Jun 03 22:27:33 <rwhitby> Get rid of the error-prone web upgrade mode altogether.
Jun 03 22:27:46 <rwhitby> Comments?
Jun 03 22:29:17 <rwhitby> We can do the same for OpenSlug.  Just provide a prepare-upgrade command which dd's over the last block and reboots.
Jun 03 22:41:02 <dyoung> I dunno, it sounds good to me because I usually upgrade with upslug anyways.
Jun 03 22:41:22 <dyoung> Unless I'm testing somehting or trying to follow the readme.
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