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Jun 16 01:10:20 <jeanfabrice> 
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Jun 16 02:11:23 * rwhitby has just got into listening to podcasts on his Treo650 ...
Jun 16 03:15:06 <jeanfabrice> 
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Jun 16 03:17:19 <jf-logger> 
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Jun 16 03:18:47 <jf-logger> 
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Jun 16 03:20:11 <jf-work> 
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Jun 16 03:23:56 * dyoung-zzzz  
Jun 16 03:32:33 <jf-work> 
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Jun 16 03:40:22 <jf-work> miau is not so easy to setup... :/
Jun 16 03:48:46 <dyoung-zzzz> Soundns like enough work that you want to write a howto. :-)
Jun 16 03:49:10 <dyoung-zzzz> so it will be painless when I actually get around to setting it up on my wiley. :-)
Jun 16 03:50:18 <jf-work> Isn't there a (pretty old) howto ? configuration and tunning is painfull
Jun 16 03:50:47 <dyoung-zzzz> I can send you m y nslu2 miau config.
Jun 16 03:52:05 <jf-work> I think I've got a pretty clean one now... the only things is that miau sometimes died. I have setup a crontab to get it back to life on a 10mn basis if needed
Jun 16 03:53:31 <dyoung-zzzz> I have some scripts to do that too; every 5 minutes check if its running, if not restart.  Also a once a day script to rotate the logs.
Jun 16 03:54:28 <jf-work> It seems to have problems reattaching a just-detached client. Got some 'client denied' in the log. that's is strange because I'm authorizing any host to connect. And when I manually SIGHUP it to rehash, it died
Jun 16 03:56:12 <jf-work> anyway. can you send me both your miau.conf and crontab script, just to diff ?
Jun 16 03:56:30 <jf-work> jeanfabrice@gmail.com
Jun 16 03:59:09 <jf-work> I thought miau 0.5.4 would have been more stable, but compiling it with unslung build system sucks since the author adds (partial ?) support for character encoding
Jun 16 04:01:37 <dyoung-zzzz> ok, I gotta boot the slug first.
Jun 16 04:02:24 <dyoung-zzzz> tonight been busy adding stuff to the flickr albumbs
Jun 16 04:02:26 <dyoung-zzzz> albums
Jun 16 04:02:29 <jf-work> :) huh ! it isn't ?
Jun 16 04:02:53 <dyoung-zzzz> I turned it off because its drive was making some annyoing sounds.
Jun 16 04:04:48 <jf-work> ahah. I know that ! Just bought a brand new 2.5" toshiba, 5400tpm 16MB cache which seemes to be a bit more silent than my actual IBM
Jun 16 04:07:44 <jf-work> dyoung-zzzz: got your mail. ty
Jun 16 04:10:47 <dyoung-zzzz> there should be 3 messages.
Jun 16 04:11:05 <jf-work> got them.
Jun 16 04:11:47 <dyoung-zzzz> if I forgot to sanitize any passwords, I expect you to ignore them. :-)
Jun 16 04:12:07 <jf-work> np
Jun 16 04:12:29 <jf-work> I should have remember that to you before sending
Jun 16 04:12:41 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm pretty sure I got them all.
Jun 16 04:12:50 <dyoung-zzzz> But just in case.
Jun 16 04:14:46 <dyoung-zzzz> I almost bought a 1GB ipod USB thing today.
Jun 16 04:15:06 <jf-work> hey ! how much is that toy ?
Jun 16 04:15:19 <dyoung-zzzz> Its $150USD.
Jun 16 04:15:44 <dyoung-zzzz> oh yeah they call it the "shuffle".
Jun 16 04:15:50 <jf-work> humm isn't ipod = apple toy ?
Jun 16 04:15:56 <dyoung-zzzz> I think that was marketing though.
Jun 16 04:16:15 <dyoung-zzzz> because they didnt want to put a display on it, so they just shuffle the playlist and call it a feature.
Jun 16 04:16:20 <dyoung-zzzz> it is a apple product.
Jun 16 04:16:25 <dyoung-zzzz> quite slick actually.
Jun 16 04:16:47 <jf-work> In France, an mini ipod is around 200 euros
Jun 16 04:17:01 <dyoung-zzzz> Ah, this one is smaller than the mini.
Jun 16 04:17:14 <jf-work> ah ok, so we do not have it in France.
Jun 16 04:17:21 <dyoung-zzzz> http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
Jun 16 04:17:37 <dyoung-zzzz> The mini is around $200USD.
Jun 16 04:17:47 <dyoung-zzzz> its a 4GB device.
Jun 16 04:18:00 <dyoung-zzzz> (the mini)
Jun 16 04:18:07 <jf-work> ok, there is no craddle for the shuffle
Jun 16 04:18:21 <dyoung-zzzz> No cradle for it.
Jun 16 04:18:57 <dyoung-zzzz> thats why I was in a quandry.  for "only" $50 more I get 3GB more.
Jun 16 04:20:01 <dyoung-zzzz> But above that, for "only" $100 more than that, I get 16GB more.
Jun 16 04:20:04 <dyoung-zzzz> sigh
Jun 16 04:20:20 <jf-work> :)
Jun 16 04:21:06 <dyoung-zzzz> so I left the store with my head spinning.
Jun 16 04:21:40 <jf-work> how much do we have in the donation round till know ? I saw rwhitby saying > $400USD
Jun 16 04:21:45 <dyoung-zzzz> I'll probably get a shuffle; because its small and light and easy to snowboard with.
Jun 16 04:21:51 <jf-work> s/know/now
Jun 16 04:22:02 * dyoung-zzzz dunnos
Jun 16 04:22:47 <jf-work> btw. I need your help one more time with english translation
Jun 16 04:23:03 <dyoung-zzzz> pl
Jun 16 04:23:04 <dyoung-zzzz> ok
Jun 16 04:23:37 <dyoung-zzzz> (you can ask anytime BTW...)
Jun 16 04:24:02 <jf-work> There is an expression for "I'm leaving from the office to home" or "I'm going to have a lunch". Do you see ? Something starting with 'head' or 'heading'
Jun 16 04:24:19 <dyoung-zzzz> Headed home?
Jun 16 04:24:30 <dyoung-zzzz> Headed toward lunch?
Jun 16 04:24:38 <jf-work> that's correct ? headed is past, no ?
Jun 16 04:24:39 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm gonna head home now?
Jun 16 04:25:01 <dyoung-zzzz> ah, thats a quirk in english.
Jun 16 04:25:12 <dyoung-zzzz> it is past tense.
Jun 16 04:25:52 <dyoung-zzzz> I wish I could explain why....
Jun 16 04:26:16 <dyoung-zzzz> I guess its sort of the level of urgency.
Jun 16 04:26:36 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm hungry so I'm going to lunch, its as if I've already left!
Jun 16 04:26:47 <dyoung-zzzz> (I've already) headed to lunch.
Jun 16 04:26:49 <jf-work> ok. so is 'headed lunch' correct ?
Jun 16 04:27:21 <jf-work> Ok I understand exactly the meaning
Jun 16 04:27:34 <dyoung-zzzz> any english speaker will understand if you say "I'm headed for lunch"
Jun 16 04:28:17 <jf-work> that's good ! So I guess 'headed for home' is ok too
Jun 16 04:28:29 <dyoung-zzzz> Its probably not technically correct; but it is widely used.
Jun 16 04:28:42 <dyoung-zzzz> so everyone understands it fine.
Jun 16 04:28:54 <dyoung-zzzz> ~lart dyoung-logger
Jun 16 04:28:56 * jbot whacks dyoung-logger upside the head
Jun 16 04:29:22 <dyoung-zzzz> Take that dyoung-logger!
Jun 16 05:50:52 <hanjo> Hi all. Is there a tool for manipulating/inspecting ipk packages on the host side?
Jun 16 05:51:47 <hanjo> I need something that can be integrated in python
Jun 16 05:58:48 <jacques> hanjo, ipkg-utils ? http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ipkg-utils/
Jun 16 06:04:02 <hanjo> jascques, thx. I must've been blind. I see it in the OE also now. It looks like exactly what I need
Jun 16 06:11:35 <jacques> np
Jun 16 06:40:35 <jf-work> if someone sees jp30 before I do, can you let him now that gift does not work anymore on wiley since he makes it depend on perl ? As I don't know why he changed this, I prefer not to modify anything in the makefile
Jun 16 06:51:55 <jf-work> humm, it seemes that gift doen't need perl at build/link time... I will add a conditionnal dependency for wiley
Jun 16 07:45:13 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (make/samba.mk sources/samba/configure.in.patch): fixed LFS support and some other cross build configuration issues, bumped IPK_VERSION
Jun 16 08:05:51 <CIA-1> 03mr_claus * 10unslung/make/libnss-ldap.mk: Added libnss-ldap support. Depends from ldconfig because the lib will be installed into /opt/lib.
Jun 16 08:10:30 <mr_claus> is the kernel fixed or is it possible to add acl support? is it a linksys kernel or is it done by the nslu2-project?
Jun 16 08:34:38 <ka6sox-zzzz> mr_claus, which distro?
Jun 16 08:34:58 <mr_claus> unslung
Jun 16 08:35:48 <ka6sox-zzzz> unslung is a 2.4.22 kernel supplied by Linksys but with Modules enabled so that people *can* add functionality.
Jun 16 08:36:05 <jacques> we build the kernel from source
Jun 16 08:36:12 <jacques> using the linksys patches
Jun 16 08:36:31 <ka6sox-zzzz> jacques, is the ipsec patch there?
Jun 16 08:36:43 <jacques> no idea
Jun 16 08:36:46 <ka6sox-away> k
Jun 16 08:36:50 <mr_claus> jacques: do you think it's possible to add acl support to the ext3 filesystem?
Jun 16 08:37:08 <mr_claus> jacques: if yes i would start to build the acl-tools
Jun 16 08:37:30 <jacques> mr_claus, when you say possible do you mean for someone to do it, or for it to become standard in unslung ?
Jun 16 08:38:16 <mr_claus> jacques: to become standard because acl is not a module it's a ext3 addon feature, without a changed kernel it makes no sense
Jun 16 08:39:03 <jacques> changes to the release unslung kernel have to be discussed by the devs
Jun 16 08:39:47 <jacques> you need to ask rwhitby-away 
Jun 16 08:40:07 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: ping :)
Jun 16 08:40:44 <[g2]> mr_claus, can I ask you a couple questions ?
Jun 16 08:41:22 <mr_claus> yes of course
Jun 16 08:41:37 <[g2]> mr_claus, have you ever considered openslug ?
Jun 16 08:42:04 <[g2]> I'm curious if you have an attachment to unslung 
Jun 16 08:42:39 <mr_claus> i use unslung because i started with the box a few weeks ago and these are my first steps
Jun 16 08:43:01 <[g2]> that sounds good
Jun 16 08:43:14 <mr_claus> perhaps, later, i would try openslug too
Jun 16 08:43:55 <mr_claus> but now i want to build a box with acl's, samba3 and ldap which should be replicated from a master server
Jun 16 08:44:09 <mr_claus> all things are working only acl's are missing at the moment
Jun 16 08:44:20 <[g2]> I think ldap and samba3 are avialable for openslug
Jun 16 08:44:28 <[g2]> nfs runs too
Jun 16 08:44:36 <mr_claus> with acl's it would be possible to join the box to a domain and administrate the permissions with windows clients
Jun 16 08:45:25 <mr_claus> i think the next step if all things are running would be to check if openslug is better for the things i want to do
Jun 16 08:45:31 <[g2]> where does the acl (access control lists) stuff come from ? are they ext3 extensions ?
Jun 16 08:45:56 <mr_claus> http://acl.bestbits.at/
Jun 16 08:46:57 <[g2]> ok... thx
Jun 16 08:47:12 <mr_claus> the coreutils need a patch
Jun 16 08:47:30 <mr_claus> and there are acl-utils available to get and set the permissions at the commandline
Jun 16 08:47:59 <[g2]> currently we're building coreutils-5.1.3
Jun 16 08:48:09 <mr_claus> today there is only one problem with acl's, backup the filesystem
Jun 16 08:48:47 <[g2]> nfsv4 is probably too new for you right ?
Jun 16 08:48:49 <mr_claus> because gnu-tar is not support acl's but star is supporting it
Jun 16 08:49:32 <mr_claus> i dont use nfs at the moment with that machine but perhaps in the future, other machines are running with debian sarge
Jun 16 08:49:45 <mr_claus> i think nfsv4 is not available at debian sarge
Jun 16 08:50:44 <[g2]> it'd think nfsv4 being avialable with debian would be a very long shot :)
Jun 16 08:53:47 <mr_claus> is the unslung project seperated from the openslug project? means are the make-files are different?
Jun 16 08:54:13 <[g2]> the packages are different
Jun 16 08:54:19 <[g2]> are you building unslung with OE ?
Jun 16 08:55:51 <mr_claus> i dont build unslung by myself, i only build additional packages
Jun 16 09:44:21 <macsat> Hi
Jun 16 09:46:46 <[g2]> macsat, hi
Jun 16 13:26:53 <CIA-1> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/gift.mk: Make gift depends on microperl for wiley, perl for unslung. Bump IPK_VERSION
Jun 16 14:01:11 <macsat> great work jeanfabrice, I guess you saw the posting on chupa regarding gift :)
Jun 16 14:01:41 <jeanfabrice> macsat : Oleg ask me that
Jun 16 14:01:56 <jeanfabrice> I saw the post but don't know gift at all
Jun 16 14:02:18 <macsat> I know what it is, but never use it.
Jun 16 14:02:38 <macsat> only connects to crap networks like Gnutella and FT anyway :)
Jun 16 14:02:45 <jeanfabrice> that's what I mean.
Jun 16 14:02:55 <macsat> :-)
Jun 16 14:08:13 <macsat> Im off to bed, good night :)
Jun 16 14:09:41 <jeanfabrice> this is wiley night :)
Jun 16 14:16:18 <jeanfabrice> 'night all
Jun 16 14:44:26 <rwhitby-away> mr_claus: I would suggest that you use openslug
Jun 16 14:45:46 <rwhitby-away> unless you are willing to test the acl support and make a demonstrated guarantee that it doesn't affect any of the linksys binaries or functionality
Jun 16 22:51:55 <CIA-12> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (make/cogito.mk sources/cogito/Makefile.patch): upstream upgrade from 0.10 to 0.11.3
Jun 16 22:52:18 <eno-away> nite all
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