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Jun 29 00:13:44 * jacques goes to check if gentoo has a monotone 2.0 ebuild yet.
Jun 29 00:14:25 <NAiL> *  dev-util/monotone
Jun 29 00:14:25 <NAiL>       Latest version available: 0.19
Jun 29 00:15:21 <jacques> :-(
Jun 29 00:16:15 <jacques> looks like I meant to say 0.20 
Jun 29 00:16:33 <NAiL> yeah
Jun 29 00:16:38 <NAiL> Kinda assumed you did
Jun 29 00:17:22 <NAiL> Chances are you can just copy the 0.19 ebuild to a 0.20 ebuild though
Jun 29 00:18:34 <jacques> yeah, I've done that a lot - gentoo can be rather slow
Jun 29 00:19:56 <NAiL> Copy the 0.19 ebuild, fix it if it doesn't work, submit a bug to gentoo's bug-system. Ta-da, new ebuild is added shortly ;-)
Jun 29 00:20:35 <NAiL> Considering that there's 120k ebuilds, I'm not surprised they're slow :-P
Jun 29 00:21:14 <jacques> I used to modify ebuilds all the time too, but now they have a checksum thing and it spits them out
Jun 29 00:21:37 <dyoung> "Unauthorised ebuild modification, do you wish to restore?"
Jun 29 00:22:00 <NAiL> huh? 
Jun 29 00:22:12 <NAiL> It's apparently been a while since I modified 'em :p
Jun 29 00:23:23 <dyoung> I'm faking a windows like message.
Jun 29 00:23:39 <dyoung> sorry, this side project is making my head spin.
Jun 29 00:23:39 <NAiL> aaah, hehe
Jun 29 00:23:57 <NAiL> np
Jun 29 00:24:03 <jacques> yeah the real message isn't nearly so polite
Jun 29 00:24:46 <jacques> hmmm
Jun 29 00:24:55 <jacques> so where exactly is the monotone 0.20 release?
Jun 29 00:25:04 <jacques> not mentioned nor found on the monotone site
Jun 29 00:25:15 <jacques> can't blame gentoo for that - it's not released yet
Jun 29 00:25:33 <jacques> I guess jbowler-zzz did say "next" release
Jun 29 00:26:14 <jacques> maybe I need to emerge -C monotone and build from CVS
Jun 29 00:27:04 <dyoung> or monotone grab it from monotone.verge.net
Jun 29 00:27:18 <jacques> lol good point - they aren't in CVS
Jun 29 00:31:30 <NAiL> hmm
Jun 29 00:31:38 <NAiL> The network outage is going to be today?
Jun 29 00:31:47 <dyoung> morning peteru-home 
Jun 29 00:32:08 * NAiL considers going to the post office and fetching what is hopefully a certain cable
Jun 29 00:32:54 <dyoung> okay, FIS writing this bad boy.
Jun 29 00:34:11 <jacques> redboot have a ram test feature?
Jun 29 00:34:54 <dyoung> Okay I'm an idiot.
Jun 29 00:34:58 <dyoung> why didnt I think of that before.
Jun 29 00:35:06 <dyoung> Yes, it did actually.
Jun 29 00:35:13 <dyoung> but I could have saved 15min and used upslug.
Jun 29 00:36:42 <dyoung> upslugging. :-)
Jun 29 00:40:51 <dyoung> the new upslug is neat
Jun 29 00:41:22 <dyoung> too bad it didnt work.
Jun 29 00:41:26 <dyoung> it got a DOWN_ALL
Jun 29 00:41:42 <dyoung> anbd croaked
Jun 29 00:42:02 <dyoung> I s hould put this slug on ice.
Jun 29 00:42:09 <dyoung> Ice as in Cold.
Jun 29 00:42:25 <dyoung> I suppose I could drug it up... but... that probably wont help the situation.
Jun 29 00:50:14 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (apr.mk apr-util.mk php-apache.mk): make myself maintainer of some apache-related packages
Jun 29 00:50:43 <dyoung> jp30 is such a take charge guy.
Jun 29 00:53:39 <mr_claus_> morning
Jun 29 00:55:35 <NAiL> good morning
Jun 29 00:56:08 <NAiL> mr_claus: I am using udev with a disk, but I'm having problems, since udev isn't "mounted" at the right time. 
Jun 29 00:56:17 <NAiL> (To answer that question from yesterday)
Jun 29 00:56:42 <NAiL> I'm gonna go to the post office now
Jun 29 00:56:56 <NAiL> Morning, rwhitby ;-)
Jun 29 00:57:57 <jp30> morning, dyoung - more taking charge coming up
Jun 29 01:00:14 <dyoung> Youre the man.
Jun 29 01:00:19 <jp30> paging adam baker - is adam baker here?
Jun 29 01:01:50 <NAiL> unzip: Invlaide zip magic
Jun 29 01:02:42 <mr_claus> NAiL: turnup sets the parameter which are used to call /linuxrc -> /boot/disk, how i can see which parameters are set yet?
Jun 29 01:02:49 <mr_claus> NAiL: where the parameters are stored?
Jun 29 01:03:00 <rwhitby> NAiL: do you still have all your changes as patches that can be applied to a brand new monotone db after the transition?
Jun 29 01:03:39 <NAiL> rwhitby: Not entirely sure. I haven't done much changes though ;-)
Jun 29 01:04:08 <NAiL> I can redo the stuff, won't exactly take long.
Jun 29 01:04:15 <rwhitby> NAiL: you should endeavour to do so.  We will not be able to migrate data from current test database to the new one other than via patches.
Jun 29 01:04:39 <rwhitby> and we may even be using a different branch name - org.openembedded.dev.nslu2-linux
Jun 29 01:04:41 <NAiL> Yeah, shouldn't be a problem
Jun 29 01:04:45 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/net-tools.mk: net-tools: use -rpath correctly, strip binaries
Jun 29 01:05:05 <NAiL> ok. This will be on the 1st?
Jun 29 01:06:00 <NAiL> (of July)
Jun 29 01:06:14 <rwhitby> yes, this will be shortly after the 1st
Jun 29 01:07:43 <NAiL> ok. Enough time to extract my changes
Jun 29 01:10:47 <jacques> I keep forgetting how close the 1st is
Jun 29 01:11:03 <ka6sox> what day is this?
Jun 29 01:11:14 <NAiL> ka6sox: Eeeyh
Jun 29 01:11:19 <NAiL> You're here. :)
Jun 29 01:11:25 <jacques> just turned to wednesday the 29th ka6sox
Jun 29 01:11:32 <jacques> a little over an hour ago
Jun 29 01:12:33 <ka6sox> ah...its 10:10am here
Jun 29 01:12:50 <NAiL> ka6sox: Where are you, since you're in my TZ? :)
Jun 29 01:12:59 <ka6sox> .al
Jun 29 01:13:10 <NAiL> gerie?
Jun 29 01:13:25 <NAiL> Don't think I've ever seen the .al tld before
Jun 29 01:13:42 <mr_claus> turnup: /tmp/rootfs.2102: partition does not seem to be a valid root partition
Jun 29 01:13:54 <mr_claus> the partition is large and empty
Jun 29 01:14:32 <NAiL> oh sh*t. /me runs to not miss the bus
Jun 29 01:15:49 <mr_claus> ahh, bootflag was missing
Jun 29 01:21:21 <mr_claus> NAiL: turnup to disk is working for me with udev
Jun 29 01:21:45 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (bluez-libs.mk bluez-utils.mk): use PATCH_LIBTOOL with bluez, remove static libs
Jun 29 01:24:46 <rwhitby> mmmm - bluez in Unslung.  nice.
Jun 29 01:25:19 <rwhitby> hopefully it will work on the wiley too.  then I could put the bluetooth dongle on my router instead of on homeslug ...
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Jun 29 01:30:19 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote net-tools, py-cheetah, bluez
Jun 29 01:30:27 <jp30> rwhitby, bluez looks pretty clean, and it is eno's work - i expect it will be fine on wiley
Jun 29 01:44:01 <rwhitby-away> jp30: I'm hoping eno will follow it up with pppd :-)
Jun 29 01:48:32 <tyrak> hello
Jun 29 01:48:40 <rwhitby-away> g'day
Jun 29 01:48:55 <tyrak> does anyone know in which package libidn.so.11 is hiding?
Jun 29 01:49:15 <rwhitby> not me, but you can check the Packages.filelist file
Jun 29 01:49:18 <tyrak> or hmm, nevermind. I do have that lib
Jun 29 01:50:24 <tyrak> or damn, that was the wrong machine
Jun 29 01:50:26 <tyrak> i didn't have it
Jun 29 01:50:29 <tyrak> but i need it
Jun 29 01:51:16 <jp30> 'nite all
Jun 29 01:51:33 <rwhitby> tyrak: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/cross/Packages.filelist <- repeat for each feed
Jun 29 01:52:24 <tyrak> cool, thanks! Didn't know the .filelist files existed :/
Jun 29 02:01:59 <dyoung> nickserv, where did you go?
Jun 29 08:46:01 <jf-work> 
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Jun 29 13:11:55 <[cc]smart> what is the policy on the montone repository like ? is it enough to give someone public key and one is ready to montone sync, or is there some personal promotion process ?
Jun 29 13:17:24 <NAiL> Your personal key needs to reside on the server if you want to push anything. The only way it gets there (afaik) is by one of the core devs adding it.
Jun 29 13:18:35 * NAiL tries to remember what he was going to ask g2
Jun 29 13:18:49 <[g2]> yes I love you :)
Jun 29 13:19:05 <NAiL> Will you marry me? ;)
Jun 29 13:19:13 <[g2]> no!
Jun 29 13:19:22 * NAiL pouts
Jun 29 13:19:39 <ByronT-Away> he doesn't love you that much
Jun 29 13:19:50 <ByronT-Away> he'd rather just use ya
Jun 29 13:19:51 <ByronT-Away> ;)
Jun 29 13:19:55 * [g2] didn't say he wanted a commitment :)
Jun 29 13:20:03 <NAiL> hahaha
Jun 29 13:28:02 <ka6sox> lol
Jun 29 13:28:20 <ka6sox> hey NAiL for once I'm later in time than you!
Jun 29 13:28:41 <NAiL> heeey
Jun 29 13:28:44 <NAiL> where are you now?
Jun 29 13:28:57 <NAiL> btw, couldn't get the serial to work. Got the same problem as rwhitby.
Jun 29 13:30:23 <NAiL> Anyone know where I can find the color codes on resistors? 
Jun 29 13:30:52 * NAiL pulls out his trusty multimeter instead
Jun 29 13:32:02 <ka6sox> NAiL, remember to hook txd on the cable to rxd on the Slug and rxd on the cable to TXD on the slug.
Jun 29 13:32:06 <AdamBaker> bobby brown rapes only young girls but virgins go without (black brown red orange yellow green blue violet grey white)
Jun 29 13:32:40 <NAiL> AdamBaker: Uhm... ok. Get it. "nice" :-P
Jun 29 13:33:50 <NAiL> ka6sox: I did. Didn't work, and the slug hung
Jun 29 13:33:57 <ka6sox> what?
Jun 29 13:34:04 <ka6sox> didn't happen...
Jun 29 13:34:34 <ka6sox> Nail: Tirane, Albania
Jun 29 13:34:53 <NAiL> What on earth are you doing in Albania? :)
Jun 29 13:35:05 <AdamBaker> I was first taught that about 25 years ago. The teacher would probably be shot for saying it today.
Jun 29 13:35:05 <ka6sox> that's what I'm asking myself!
Jun 29 13:35:18 <NAiL> Anyway, I was told putting a 100K resistor between pin1 and pin2 would help. 
Jun 29 13:35:29 <NAiL> AdamBaker: Well, it's easy to remember ;)
Jun 29 13:36:15 <NAiL> AdamBaker: So now I can remember the colors, but not the values.
Jun 29 13:36:42 <ka6sox> start with black as 0 and white as 9
Jun 29 13:38:52 <AdamBaker> black =0, brown = 1 etc. The first 2 colours are read just as the colour the third is read as x10^value so brown black red would be 1 0 x10^2 i.e 1K
Jun 29 13:39:58 <NAiL> So I'm looking for brown black yellow?
Jun 29 13:40:15 <ka6sox> 100k
Jun 29 13:40:22 <NAiL> yeah
Jun 29 13:41:40 <effem> hi
Jun 29 13:42:03 <ka6sox> 'lo
Jun 29 13:42:20 <effem> does anyone know if it is possible to make a log file during booting?
Jun 29 13:44:34 <NAiL> argh
Jun 29 13:44:41 <NAiL> If I only had another 70k
Jun 29 13:45:38 <effem> don't you have two that you can combine (by putting them serial or parallel)
Jun 29 13:46:01 <NAiL> If I had another 70k, I could get 105k, which I hope  would do
Jun 29 13:48:06 <NAiL> hmm
Jun 29 13:49:32 <dyoung-zzzz> so you have some 30k's?
Jun 29 13:50:02 <NAiL> no
Jun 29 13:50:12 <ka6sox> what *do* you have?
Jun 29 13:50:23 <NAiL> But if my math is correct, 1/(1/70+1/70)=35k?
Jun 29 13:50:50 <dyoung-zzzz> so you have a 70k?
Jun 29 13:50:57 <NAiL> I have 2 70k
Jun 29 13:51:14 <NAiL> and a 2k
Jun 29 13:51:22 <dyoung-zzzz> use the 70k.
Jun 29 13:51:27 <ka6sox> ya
Jun 29 13:51:29 <NAiL> It'll do?
Jun 29 13:51:31 <ka6sox> close enough.
Jun 29 13:51:37 <ka6sox> for hand grenades.
Jun 29 13:51:39 <dyoung-zzzz> what he said.  Close ehough.
Jun 29 13:51:50 <NAiL> yeah, ok. I'll try :)
Jun 29 13:52:47 <effem> does anybody know what I can do to get vsftpd started? I've changed rc.xinetd, but that didn't work
Jun 29 13:52:55 <ka6sox> bye for now!
Jun 29 13:53:06 <effem> bye
Jun 29 13:55:51 <caplink811> effem, 1st let us step over to #nslu2-general, there's our question much more on topic
Jun 29 13:56:06 <caplink811> s/our/your
Jun 29 13:56:25 <effem> ok
Jun 29 13:58:41 <AdamBaker> Anyone encountered : error: impossible constraint in `asm'
Jun 29 13:58:41 <AdamBaker> Assembler messages:
Jun 29 13:58:41 <AdamBaker> Error: bad instruction `btsl r9,[r3,#-896]'
Jun 29 13:58:41 <AdamBaker> before?
Jun 29 13:59:14 <AdamBaker> This is from gcc cross compiling
Jun 29 14:16:33 <AdamBaker> OK, I've worked out why it is happening - stdio.h is getting pulled in from /usr/include, not from staging, I've just got to work out what is adding a -I/usr/include to the compile flags
Jun 29 14:41:48 <NAiL> hmm... why do I get this error now?
Jun 29 14:41:48 <NAiL> dev:/etc# cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200
Jun 29 14:41:48 <NAiL> cu: open (/dev/ttyUSB0): Permission denied
Jun 29 14:41:48 <NAiL> cu: /dev/ttyUSB0: Line in use
Jun 29 14:42:05 <dyoung-zzzz> ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0
Jun 29 14:42:16 <NAiL> rw-rw--- root.callout
Jun 29 14:42:23 <NAiL> I'm root, and I'm in callout :)
Jun 29 14:43:17 <NAiL> pl2303 1-1:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected
Jun 29 14:43:17 <NAiL> usb 1-1: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Jun 29 14:43:57 <NAiL> According to fuser, nothing is using the line
Jun 29 14:44:04 * NAiL doesn't get it
Jun 29 14:48:14 <CIA-1> 03sjmelhuish * 10unslung/make/rrdtool.mk: Upgrade to latest source - 1.2.10
Jun 29 14:48:21 <NAiL> Why does some slugs have this problem and some not?
Jun 29 14:48:35 * NAiL hopes the slug he ordered today doesn't have this problem
Jun 29 15:13:14 <AdamBaker> Nail: I suspect it isn't a case of some slugs but some PL-2303 converters. Later models of the 2303 needed a kernel patch that didn't go into the mainline until about 2.6.8 (Not sure if you are on unslung or openslug and what kernel the latter uses)
Jun 29 15:14:34 <NAiL> AdamBaker: The serial end of the pl is connected to the slug, not the USB end. 
Jun 29 15:17:36 <AdamBaker> I assume the machine at the other end does have the correct kernel
Jun 29 15:18:08 <NAiL> It doesn't work in either 2.6.12 nor windows
Jun 29 15:18:32 <dyoung> you put the pullup right?
Jun 29 15:18:33 <NAiL> The devices (Two different ones) are detected properly, but I get no output
Jun 29 15:18:41 <NAiL> dyoung: yes. 
Jun 29 15:19:07 <dyoung> and your  wiring is correct right?
Jun 29 15:19:16 <NAiL> Yeah
Jun 29 15:19:16 <dyoung> TX -> RX etc
Jun 29 15:19:20 <dyoung> hmm, 
Jun 29 15:19:22 * dyoung dunnos
Jun 29 15:19:39 <NAiL> I'm getting a new slug soon, gonna try with that one
Jun 29 15:20:08 <NAiL> ~hail [g2]
Jun 29 15:20:09 * jbot bows down to [g2] and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Jun 29 15:20:45 <[g2]> hey
Jun 29 15:20:49 <NAiL> ;)
Jun 29 15:48:51 <NAiL> haha!
Jun 29 15:49:10 * NAiL found a {something} that gives 100K
Jun 29 15:53:38 <NAiL> g'morning
Jun 29 15:53:51 <rwhitby> g'day
Jun 29 15:59:56 <NAiL> rwhitby: Can you explain me why there's contact between pins 1 and four on my slug? There's 0.8kohm between them, but that's it. Is that normal?
Jun 29 16:14:51 <rwhitby> dunno
Jun 29 16:15:10 <rwhitby> 1 and 4 are pwr & gnd, right?
Jun 29 16:15:30 <NAiL> yeah
Jun 29 16:15:45 <rwhitby> slug powered on or off?
Jun 29 16:16:03 <NAiL> off
Jun 29 16:17:02 <NAiL> ah
Jun 29 16:17:07 <NAiL> no contact when it's on
Jun 29 16:17:28 <CIA-1> 03marceln * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Jun 29 16:17:28 <CIA-1> First version of startup and config files.
Jun 29 16:17:28 <CIA-1> More testing needed.
Jun 29 21:56:55 <NAiL> ~hail beewoolie-afk 
Jun 29 21:56:56 * jbot bows down to beewoolie-afk and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
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