**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 23:59:56 2005 Jul 06 00:00:50 hmm? new monotone is out ? I don't understand Jul 06 00:01:11 The egg is cracking, the new beast emerging. Jul 06 00:01:29 sigh, it's still going - well over 10 minutes Jul 06 00:02:08 my CPU is at 70C - aaah! it's going to explode!!! run away!!! Jul 06 00:03:45 Ah, yes, I noticed that too. As soon as I started using monotone I started getting 'warning warning meltdown in progress' style messages. Jul 06 00:04:00 (This is a shuttle) Jul 06 00:04:12 heh :-) Jul 06 00:05:01 I wasn't sure to worry. I figure heat is a hardware thing, but it said it was throttling both CPUs (and they are virtual intel market-speak cpus...) Jul 06 00:05:17 well, I was going to wait til things started building to go make a sandwich but I may go now Jul 06 00:05:40 aaah, P4 HT Jul 06 00:05:45 Here's the CIA message for monotone 0.20: Jul 06 00:05:48 njs@pobox.com net.venge.monotone.netsync-0.20 * r1a25bedf9dbea684b2a7eb57bcb0992ea0d3e260 / (ChangeLog NEWS): Jul 06 00:05:48 2005-07-05 Nathaniel Smith Jul 06 00:05:48 * NEWS: Add timestamp. Barring unforeseen issues, this is 0.20. Jul 06 00:06:11 cool Jul 06 00:07:02 looks like it's going to be at least 20 minutes for me - we're going to have to warn people (assuming mine isn't somehow locked up) Jul 06 00:08:10 The work after the first pull is significant - but I suspect 0.20 will make that step faster. Jul 06 00:08:52 insert obligatory "couldn't be much slower" remark Jul 06 00:09:02 http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone-0.20.tar.gz Jul 06 00:09:19 Right, time for r2 of the monotone package ;-) Jul 06 00:09:52 something is really scrweed on comcast's network Jul 06 00:10:14 4. 68.87.216.70 0% 3 3 15 14 14 15 Jul 06 00:10:14 5. 12.127.32.69 0% 3 3 207 206 208 210 Jul 06 00:10:52 exceeding 20 minutes now :-\ Jul 06 00:12:24 looks like it's the entire NW (again) Jul 06 00:12:42 OK, so it took my machine about 25 minutes Jul 06 00:20:47 At the point where it 'sticks' it doesn't touch the network - it's just reconstructing something (a cache?) in the db. Jul 06 00:21:42 Maybe all the monotone devs live in cold climes and are using their CPU's to heat the room. Jul 06 00:21:43 ok, looks like it's the entire west coast Jul 06 00:33:35 jbowler-away, I wasn't implying the monotone update was taking a long time because comcast is screwed up, that was just a different thread Jul 06 00:34:20 aaaaaaaaaaargh! Jul 06 00:35:02 it updated the Makefile Jul 06 00:35:24 argh! Jul 06 00:35:26 Yes, it does that ;-) Jul 06 00:35:41 it isn't possible to use monotone over a http proxy, is it? Jul 06 00:35:47 monotone co overwrites... Jul 06 00:36:01 giel: monotone uses netsync Jul 06 00:37:02 which port is that? Jul 06 00:37:08 so i can do some ssh tunneling Jul 06 00:41:38 5253 iirc. Jul 06 00:41:50 (is what monotone uses) Jul 06 00:42:55 at least I have something building now Jul 06 00:43:02 hm yeah, thought so, but working? noooo Jul 06 00:53:30 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rbff71dff... 10/packages/monotone/monotone_0.20.bb: Jul 06 00:53:30 Building but not working monotone - still has problems in cryptopp (in Jul 06 00:53:30 the rsa code). Jul 06 00:54:20 :-( Jul 06 01:05:36 Bogus cryptopp - it insists on knowing the byte sex of the host - there's no reason for it to need to know that... Jul 06 01:08:13 jbowler-away, the problem is with cross-building? Jul 06 01:10:28 No, the problem is in cryptopp/config.h - it doesn't know about ARM and it defaults to little-endian. Jul 06 01:10:46 well, good for me Jul 06 01:11:18 I'm not sure about the RSA problem (I fixed the base problem) - it seems the random number generator ends up with an even exponent. Jul 06 01:11:56 The #monotone guys seem to be fed up with cryptopp - there's a branch (botan) with a different API... Jul 06 01:12:03 heh Jul 06 01:12:21 morning Jul 06 01:12:22 They're giving me the doctor's advice - 'well don't do that then'. Jul 06 01:12:32 don't do what??? build for armeb? Jul 06 01:12:37 is the monotone server down? Jul 06 01:13:04 no Jul 06 01:13:20 don't use cryptopp - use botan... Jul 06 01:13:21 it seems the Makefile is not working at the moment Jul 06 01:14:04 monotone.vanille.de is down, but that doesn't matter except for the first time when 'make setup' is used. Jul 06 01:14:54 aha, that explains Jul 06 01:15:10 i was wondering why all my connections to monotone.vanille.de:5253 were refused Jul 06 01:15:34 Anyone experienced with gphoto2? Jul 06 01:15:37 and to the mirrors, for that matter Jul 06 01:15:38 hmm Jul 06 01:15:39 You are. Jul 06 01:15:58 Right? Jul 06 01:16:07 me? Jul 06 01:16:17 NAiL: try repvik Jul 06 01:16:48 uh... jbowler-away: /whois NAiL Jul 06 01:17:17 * NAiL starts talking to himself Jul 06 01:17:28 works for me. Jul 06 01:17:50 I always get so intelligent answers ;) Jul 06 01:18:30 quite, well, they seem intelligent anyway - not sure I always understand them. Jul 06 01:21:36 NAiL, I have experience with gphoto2 - on PC, OK, on slug, broken as all hell Jul 06 01:22:21 jacques: tried anything that didn't use usb? Jul 06 01:22:33 hmm.. strikes me as kinda hard on the slug Jul 06 01:22:48 NAiL, nope Jul 06 01:22:57 libusb has (hopefully) been fixed Jul 06 01:23:06 yay, getting < 10kB/s from nslu.sourceforge.net Jul 06 01:23:21 NAiL, now I start to suspect gphoto itself Jul 06 01:24:12 well, I'm going to try to find out. But it's missing some files in /usr/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1, and I've got no idea what files are supposed to be there... Jul 06 01:26:21 My desktop has 6 files Jul 06 01:26:51 libgphoto2_port_serial.{a,la,so} and libgphotos_port_usb.{a,la,so} Jul 06 01:26:56 yeah Jul 06 01:26:59 libgphoto2_port_serial.{a,la,so} and libgphoto2_port_usb.{a,la,so} Jul 06 01:27:36 gphoto2_port - cross-platform port access library Jul 06 01:27:45 * NAiL goes "a-ha" Jul 06 01:29:53 okay, a quick sanity check: am i supposed to be able to do a 'telnet monotone.vanille.de 5253'? Jul 06 01:30:04 'cause i get a 'connection refused' Jul 06 01:32:07 giel, AFAIK it's still down Jul 06 01:33:03 hm ok Jul 06 01:33:17 another mystery solved Jul 06 01:33:37 thanks Jul 06 01:34:59 giel, you can use monotone.nslu2-linux.org instead Jul 06 01:35:22 but i need the standard OE Jul 06 01:36:07 It's in monontone.nslu2-linux.org Jul 06 01:36:17 + bbimage -n unslung-nslu2-20050706073737 -t jffs2 -e /home/packages/nslu2/mtn/unslung/oe-symlinks/packages/meta/unslung-image.bb Jul 06 01:36:17 Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 06 01:36:17 File "/home/packages/nslu2/mtn/unslung/bitbake//bin/bbimage", line 23, in ? Jul 06 01:36:17 from bb import * Jul 06 01:36:17 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'make' Jul 06 01:36:25 ok, thanks Jul 06 01:37:11 damn when are things going to actually build again Jul 06 01:37:55 jacques: have you updated bitbake? Jul 06 01:38:31 jbowler-away, ??? Jul 06 01:38:48 I did wget whatever, make setup && make Jul 06 01:39:52 if I was supposed to do something else, I didn't know that Jul 06 01:40:23 this was all from a clean start Jul 06 01:40:50 I'm not sure what's happening with the bitbake tree - I don't know if it is fixed or floating. Jul 06 01:41:07 Is it possible to "lock" which revision bitbake is fetched? It's a tad annoying when bb breaks the build :( Jul 06 01:41:35 Yes it is; but either it is locked and it needs to be upgraded or it isn't and it should be locked ;-) Jul 06 01:41:47 haha, ok Jul 06 01:41:59 make update does make bitbake-update Jul 06 01:42:40 I think it should be floating, so I am guessing that mickeyl's changes have broken bbimage somehow. Jul 06 01:42:41 __version__ = "1.3.2" Jul 06 01:42:50 if that helps at all Jul 06 01:43:14 morning boys and gals Jul 06 01:43:58 FYI: monotone.vanille.de was down since yesterday 21:00 up to today 10:30 because of our router crashing. It's up again Jul 06 01:44:58 bitbake is floating, so possibly it is broken. Jul 06 01:45:37 I haven't updated mine and my builds still work :-P Jul 06 01:45:51 sounds like it shouldn't be floating Jul 06 01:46:14 jbowler-away: same here :) Jul 06 01:46:33 seems much less likely things will break due to bitbake getting out of date than bleeding edge changes Jul 06 01:47:28 You just need an appropriate -r on the svn update command line. Jul 06 01:48:00 10:47 < CIA-4> mickeyl * r272 bitbake/lib/bb/__init__.py: remove last trace of make.py Jul 06 01:48:08 My favourite at the moment is 267 Jul 06 01:48:43 s/last trace/next to last trace/ Jul 06 01:48:52 heh :-) Jul 06 01:49:00 haha Jul 06 01:49:58 jbowler-away, OK I'll try r267 when this openslug build fails Jul 06 01:50:37 jacques: can you do an svn info in your bitbake directory and tell me what rev you have? Jul 06 01:51:04 I'm at 269 Jul 06 01:51:08 Revision: 271 Jul 06 01:51:19 You need 272 Jul 06 01:51:47 272 works as it should? Jul 06 01:52:07 That's the 'last trace' commit. Jul 06 01:52:14 See #oe Jul 06 01:52:30 so it was committed after I started my build Jul 06 01:52:40 doesn't change the fact that we have a problem Jul 06 01:52:53 Well, after the update-bitbake step. Jul 06 01:52:55 273 may break it again Jul 06 01:53:40 True, it changes the solution though (r272 as opposed to r267/269) Jul 06 01:53:56 ok Jul 06 01:54:21 (we're assuming 272 works - so far no evidence) Jul 06 01:54:22 It also means that someone with write access has to fix it when OE start using some new feature. Jul 06 01:54:52 time for vacation, staying in a place over the day with no computers or internet... NAiL, when I get back I expect gphoto2 to be working, ok? :-) Jul 06 01:55:07 DaKa2: Hey ;) Jul 06 01:55:42 It's my mums birthday, so I'm not gonna fix much stuff today Jul 06 01:57:27 ah Jul 06 01:57:32 monotone.vanille.de is up again Jul 06 01:57:33 good Jul 06 01:58:47 NAiL: hehe :-) I guess Ill have to have a look later on then.. not that I think I can fix it Jul 06 01:58:50 well,, bbl Jul 06 02:06:34 I wonder if it would be bad® if I updated bitbake while a build was running Jul 06 02:07:05 (r) Jul 06 02:07:14 how do you type that? Jul 06 02:07:36 i cheated Jul 06 02:07:48 used the xchat character chart Jul 06 02:09:30 ™® Jul 06 02:09:42 I see. Jul 06 02:09:44 Nice. Jul 06 02:10:42 ☃ Jul 06 02:10:51 damn what's that? I don't have that Jul 06 02:10:59 Hes a snowman! Jul 06 02:11:15 I guess it's fancy UTF-8-stuff? Jul 06 02:11:17 why don't I have that? :-( Jul 06 02:11:32 I can see the snowman, just don't have it on my chart Jul 06 02:11:38 I dunno, he was under symbols. Jul 06 02:11:54 symbols -> Misc Jul 06 02:12:00 on your xchat char chart? or somewhere else? Jul 06 02:12:03 hehe you'll like this one too. Jul 06 02:12:09 ☣ Jul 06 02:12:57 Its in my character pallette. I get it by pressing option-apple-t in xchat Jul 06 02:13:36 hmm, I don't have the apple key Jul 06 02:23:16 hm Jul 06 02:23:32 is monotone supposed to eat 100% cpu time for quite some time when pulling for the first time? Jul 06 02:23:44 ah ok, done Jul 06 02:23:48 took 15 minutes! Jul 06 02:24:43 :-( Jul 06 02:24:51 what is your machine? mine took like 25 minutes Jul 06 02:24:54 /comfort jacques Jul 06 02:25:01 3.2ghz p4 now Jul 06 02:25:05 with hyperthreading and stuff Jul 06 02:25:12 not mine tho, i'm at work Jul 06 02:25:19 Ah yes, jacques.... Jul 06 02:25:29 Is the CPU I want the San Diego ? Jul 06 02:25:37 at home i'm running a 1.1ghz celly Jul 06 02:25:40 90nm with 1MB Cache ? Jul 06 02:25:47 dyoung-zzzz, just a sec I have a link for you Jul 06 02:26:20 Ok. Jul 06 02:26:46 I've been dreaming about replacing the primary buildbox for a while. Jul 06 02:27:17 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=219&num=1 Jul 06 02:30:43 Hmm, I see. So the main question is whether the extra performance is worth the extra $$ or jusut get the faster Venice. Jul 06 02:32:25 yep Jul 06 02:32:44 jacques, what would you do? Jul 06 02:33:03 after seeing those benches probably get the venice Jul 06 02:33:05 Since I imagine our usage schedule would be kind of similar. Jul 06 02:33:38 Yeah, thats my inclination too; spend the extra $100smething on memory. Jul 06 02:33:46 yep Jul 06 02:42:59 Hmm, X2 or not X2.... Jul 06 02:43:01 sigh Jul 06 02:43:36 well now you're totally changing the game Jul 06 02:43:38 basically 2x the single core price. Jul 06 02:44:14 Yeah, I know. Jul 06 02:44:49 Basically if you had say $500 for a CPU, would you fork out for the "slow" X2, or a honkin fast single core? Jul 06 02:45:15 what to do, what to do.... Jul 06 02:46:00 © Jul 06 02:46:11 in that case no brainer for me Jul 06 02:46:13 X2 Jul 06 02:46:18 <-- just installed ubuntu Jul 06 02:46:42 only reason for honkin fast single core is game max FPS Jul 06 02:47:16 Really? Okay done. Jul 06 02:47:34 well not *really* done, but that will be what I aspire to Jul 06 02:47:43 yeah there have been some great benchmarks lately Jul 06 02:48:07 I havnt been keeping up. I rely on jacques to breif me. :-) Jul 06 02:48:30 Thanks Jacques! Jul 06 02:49:57 basically if you're doing anything other than running a single single-threaded app (game) X2 is better Jul 06 02:51:34 I wonder how much newegg is gonna jack me for on shipping for a sn25p and CPU. Jul 06 02:54:29 $40. Jul 06 03:43:06 Master Makefile World Build croaks for me due to lack of source for imap-2004d.tar.Z . Jul 06 04:18:47 hm Jul 06 04:19:18 i'm building a task-bootstrap, distro generic for an armv5te Jul 06 04:19:21 let's see what comes out Jul 06 05:53:31 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/xterm.mk: Fixed the version Jul 06 06:14:18 hm, what is gcc-csl-arm? Jul 06 06:21:07 does optware transcode build for anyone? Jul 06 06:21:16 I can't get it to build on nudi. Jul 06 06:21:25 <[g2]> Cambridge S Labs ? Jul 06 06:21:29 <[g2]> System Jul 06 06:21:45 <[g2]> it's the arm compiler out of CSL Jul 06 06:21:58 ah ok Jul 06 06:22:38 <[g2]> My (very limited) understanding is that a couple years ago a lot of ppl used it Jul 06 06:23:35 <[g2]> I'm new to the ARM/Xscale scene so I don't know Jul 06 06:24:53 <[g2]> I think Bill Gatliff and subsequently Dan Kegel's Crosstool went a long way to helping with that problem Jul 06 06:25:37 <[g2]> and OE and Buildroot go even further Jul 06 07:50:27 ACTION  Jul 06 09:53:45 i am unslunger 5.5 #69 ;) Jul 06 10:01:16 I can make you #70 Jul 06 10:01:19 ;) Jul 06 10:06:08 <[g2]> perlguru, hey! Jul 06 10:07:47 hey! Jul 06 10:08:02 <[g2]> how goes ? it's been a while :) Jul 06 10:08:45 yep, holiday and busy at work (put to work at a customer as tester) Jul 06 10:13:52 <[g2]> perlguru, I've got perl natively compiled and it runs 100% of the tests correctly Jul 06 10:13:59 <[g2]> 5.8.7 Jul 06 10:14:31 great Jul 06 10:14:46 <[g2]> we need to figure out how to package stuff up now Jul 06 10:15:02 unslung or openslug? Jul 06 10:15:10 <[g2]> openslug Jul 06 10:15:34 <[g2]> I"ve got a native apache 2.0.53 with php5 going too Jul 06 10:15:49 <[g2]> and all but 3 of the Python tests pass Jul 06 10:18:25 great progress. i am happy with unslung at the moment Jul 06 11:02:34 <[cc]smart> is it the idea that people like me get their montone keys added to the repository or am i just to stick to my own copy ? Jul 06 11:24:36 darn it, my unslung just carped out when copying 19.7GB from local disk to it's samba share disk Jul 06 11:28:57 it responds to ping, but no other response Jul 06 11:38:05 <[g2]> [cc]smart, hey! Jul 06 11:44:10 <[cc]smart> hi g2 Jul 06 11:44:30 <[g2]> how are you doing ? Jul 06 11:44:56 <[cc]smart> preparing to get first changes into repo :) Jul 06 11:45:01 <[cc]smart> maybe Jul 06 11:45:08 <[g2]> cool. what's that ? Jul 06 11:45:17 <[cc]smart> small stuff like ntp.conf Jul 06 11:45:28 <[cc]smart> more on os side of things Jul 06 11:45:39 <[g2]> what's up with ntp.conf ? Jul 06 11:45:52 <[cc]smart> adding HW clock & basic security Jul 06 11:46:37 <[g2]> neat. I'm using ntp.conf now I'll be interested to see the updates Jul 06 11:47:00 <[g2]> I've actually got one slug ntp serving another Jul 06 11:49:35 <[cc]smart> still working on a complete mailserver on slug Jul 06 11:49:48 <[cc]smart> i'm already using it as mailserver but no imap yet and no timesync Jul 06 12:25:42 [cc]smart, which mailserver software do you have running? Jul 06 12:27:47 <[cc]smart> postfix Jul 06 12:34:04 does that do both smtp and pop3 ? Jul 06 12:37:25 <[cc]smart> couldn't really tell out of memory... am more interested in imap. Jul 06 12:58:46 Hey dyoung :) Jul 06 12:59:10 Maby you can remaind me....how do I update my local image for slug from CVS ? Jul 06 12:59:52 you want to do what? Jul 06 13:04:49 I want to download the current CVS to my machine :) Jul 06 13:04:52 my PC Jul 06 13:14:12 cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/nslu co unslung Jul 06 13:14:13 ? Jul 06 13:40:18 sorry...was a bit away :) Jul 06 13:40:34 Nope, I am developer :)....so it is the developer way Jul 06 13:41:40 same thing, replace "pserver" with "Ext" Jul 06 13:41:42 "ext" Jul 06 13:41:51 and anonymous with your sf id Jul 06 13:42:50 ok, thanks Jul 06 13:43:51 :-) Jul 06 20:48:55 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/python.mk: fixed large file support **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 06 23:59:56 2005