**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 19 23:59:56 2005 Jul 20 00:19:36 Jacmet: nice article! Jul 20 04:01:43 hi Jul 20 04:02:00 anyone else here using nfs root with the latest head? Jul 20 04:02:36 Not I. Jul 20 04:02:52 are you seeing issues? Jul 20 04:04:22 well, with the latest fix that jbowler did yesterday, the ro issue is gone, and turnup nfs -i works ok. But after shutdown -r it takes about 2-3 minutes for the system to recover Jul 20 04:04:59 strange. that was a separate patch. Jul 20 04:05:16 I am not saying that it is related Jul 20 04:05:25 I was not able to test shutdown -r before Jul 20 04:05:52 what is the average delay you are experiencing after reset? Jul 20 04:06:16 sounds almost like a DNS lookup timeout Jul 20 04:06:18 if I do "reboot" it shuts the stuff down, and reboots. Jul 20 04:06:23 so the total time is... Jul 20 04:06:28 ah hell lemme just try it. Jul 20 04:08:20 jacques, that can be the problem, I have the local name server turned off Jul 20 04:08:35 okay, 38s from "reboot" to redboot load. Jul 20 04:08:58 then another 46s to prompt on the serial port Jul 20 04:09:03 login prompt Jul 20 04:09:29 is netconsole enabled by default in the head image? Jul 20 04:11:46 dyoung, thx. for the numbers. I will try to compare them with what I am getting here, but I don't have a serial Jul 20 04:12:06 right before the prompt, I see that dropbear starts. Jul 20 04:12:29 so you can swap the timing for when ssh becomes available. Jul 20 04:12:39 you could use the LED's to determine where you are in the reboot process too. Jul 20 04:12:56 solid yellow is when redboot starts IIRC. Jul 20 04:13:39 I spend a long time in amber flashing Jul 20 04:14:08 Hmm, lemme reboot and see when that is. Jul 20 04:14:11 reboot Jul 20 04:14:13 oop Jul 20 04:15:23 yellow/green flashing? Jul 20 04:16:09 without green inbetween Jul 20 04:16:15 Okay. Jul 20 04:16:22 Thats during the boot. Jul 20 04:16:48 it starts blinking that pattern right before init starts. Jul 20 04:17:07 so I'm guessing possibly the pivot happens slowly. Jul 20 04:18:44 I am using hard coded IP adress in the nfs root specification, so theoreticaly it does not need any name resoultion at this stage. And the network is not loaded at this time at all Jul 20 04:19:58 Hmm. Jul 20 04:20:50 if I can figure out how to turnup to nfs in the next 30min I can tell you whats going on on the console port Jul 20 04:23:16 on the slug side it is just: turnup nfs -i IP:/path, but you need a properly configured nfs server with the path exported Jul 20 04:24:16 I will try to modprobe netconsole early in the init to see if I can get any messages Jul 20 04:24:44 ok. I have a NFS server setup. Lemme poke at it for 15 min and get back to you. Jul 20 04:38:35 I just reflashed the latest version. Jul 20 04:38:56 I'm having unrelated issues with that slugh right now though. Jul 20 04:39:40 no prob. Jul 20 04:42:49 Okay, there. Jul 20 04:42:54 NFSroot first boot. Jul 20 04:43:55 it was relatively fast on first boot. Jul 20 04:46:02 <[g2]> I think NFS is faster than disk Jul 20 04:46:03 I dont see a delay. Jul 20 04:46:30 from reboot to redboot is 45sec Jul 20 04:46:48 from redboot to i nit is 21s Jul 20 04:46:49 <[g2]> I mean in operation Jul 20 04:47:12 did you try a second reboot?, i.e. after your first boot with nfs root Jul 20 04:47:19 from init to login prompt is 24s Jul 20 04:47:33 that was the reboot. Jul 20 04:47:35 hmm, must be something wrong with my server then Jul 20 04:47:49 thx. for the help Jul 20 04:48:09 when was your last pull? Jul 20 04:48:21 like > 12hrs ago? Jul 20 04:48:23 2 hours ago Jul 20 04:48:29 okay, youre current. Jul 20 04:48:48 I can reboot it again if you wish to double verify. Jul 20 04:50:10 I will try to snoop in with ethereal Jul 20 04:52:32 the 3rd reboot yielded a 76sec time from "reboot" to login prompt. Jul 20 04:54:49 ok, then it is definitely something wrong on my side. Thx. again Jul 20 04:55:00 np. Jul 20 04:55:34 Dunno if it makes a differnce, but the nslu2 that this was tested on was a "turbo"-ed unit. Jul 20 04:56:59 I beleive that this is some sort of networking issue, so the cpu speed should not be an issue Jul 20 04:58:16 I'm pretty sure the CPU speed would not yield a 3x speed deficiet (or however the hell you spll that word) on your side. Jul 20 05:04:05 deficit? Jul 20 05:05:54 yeah, that, Jul 20 05:06:25 yay Jul 20 05:14:36 It looks like I am experiencing a really slow UDP nfs transfer Jul 20 05:15:15 is that related to the specific NFS version you are running on the server side? Jul 20 05:16:14 might be Jul 20 05:16:34 does the slug support nfs over tcp? Jul 20 05:16:46 is that in version3? Jul 20 05:16:59 Actually, either way ithink the answer is yes. Jul 20 05:17:11 because slug is supposed support up to V4 now. Jul 20 05:17:20 (I havnt tested myself yet though) Jul 20 05:17:37 this is the first time I'm fooling with NFS root in months. Jul 20 05:18:47 how is locking with NFS nowadays, btw? Jul 20 05:19:08 i am using v3 Jul 20 05:20:37 hanjo-work, sorry my batteries ran out. If theres any additional testing I can help you with, I'll catch it up in the logs later. Jul 20 05:21:15 good night Jul 20 05:44:41 OK, I know that there are not many fedora fans here, but in case anyone hits the same problem. It was a server side issue (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=150759). The latest FC kernel seems to fix the problem. Jul 20 05:45:18 I know there are a few that use FC Jul 20 05:48:34 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/streamripper.mk: New streamripper version with OGG support thanks to bwalle - upped IPK and dependencies Jul 20 05:48:40 I do. Jul 20 05:51:03 <[g2]> hanjo-work, you're running NFS v3 as a client right ? Jul 20 05:51:08 yes Jul 20 05:51:41 but the issue is with nfs on the server side interacting with ext3 Jul 20 07:56:04 * ingeba bemoans the fact that he can no longer use the bob_tm nick due to Gmail's user name restrictions :-( Jul 20 07:59:58 ah. you just need to know somebody that works for google... Jul 20 08:00:31 Tiersten: Yeah... if only... Jul 20 08:04:03 uh oh. they've let him down from the tower Jul 20 08:04:13 heh Jul 20 08:04:17 hi Tiersten Jul 20 08:04:24 where are ya? Jul 20 08:04:31 Tirane Jul 20 08:05:19 I was just discussing all of the comp equipment that I now have to replace... Jul 20 08:05:25 including laptop Jul 20 08:05:36 back in what???? Jul 20 08:05:47 Fire? Flood? Pistulence???? Jul 20 08:05:56 lightning strike Jul 20 08:05:58 Pistulence? Sounds painful Jul 20 08:06:40 ya.... Jul 20 08:13:49 we leave on the 5am Airplane.... Jul 20 08:15:53 Fun Jul 20 08:15:55 Where next? Jul 20 08:22:15 Vienna, Copenhagen,Chicago Jul 20 08:24:12 maybe a stopover in Vienna Jul 20 08:32:03 Nice Jul 20 08:35:09 I've been totally cut off...the BBC transmitter died and havent' seen any news for 4 days. Jul 20 08:46:16 pestilence? Jul 20 08:46:22 * NAiL just wondering about spelling Jul 20 08:46:36 Yeah Jul 20 10:12:16 <[g2]> ~praise Jacmet Jul 20 10:12:17 All hail Jacmet! Jul 20 10:12:20 <[g2]> heh Jul 20 10:16:11 did somebody make changes to udev recently as udevstart is now broken on newer builds. Jul 20 10:16:26 [g2]: hi ;) Jul 20 10:32:25 anybody using udev with openslug??? Jul 20 11:18:31 is openssh much faster than dropbear still? Jul 20 12:56:43 03jbowler * r89 10/trunk/openslug/: Move bitbake to 287 - a known good version. Jul 20 13:07:51 03jbowler * r90 10/trunk/openslug/ (. scripts/copyclone): Ignore a monotone subdirectory, update copyclone for monotone. Jul 20 13:12:59 03jbowler * r91 10/trunk/openslug/openembedded/ (837 files in 380 dirs): Commit OpenSlug-2.3-beta from monotone to svn trunk. Jul 20 13:23:31 03jbowler * r92 10/trunk/openslug/openembedded/conf/distro/openslug.conf: Freeze the kernel in the SVN tree to 2.6.12.2 Jul 20 13:50:53 pheuw, finally got my machine up and running again Jul 20 13:51:08 the phone company chose a bad day for doing cable work :/ Jul 20 13:52:19 :-( Jul 20 13:52:24 wb Jul 20 13:52:40 oh well, the debian article is up again now Jul 20 13:52:46 jacques: hi Jul 20 13:53:54 jacmet, believe me, it could be worse..... Jul 20 13:54:21 ByronT-Desktop: certainly - but it's not every day that machine sees so much web traffic Jul 20 13:54:29 (speaking from experience and lightning strike at house last night) Jul 20 13:54:47 ByronT-Desktop: damn Jul 20 13:55:29 that was one of the words I believe I used last night... yes Jul 20 13:55:32 ByronT-Desktop: this machine is currently 1100 km away, so system administration can be a hassle Jul 20 13:55:45 might have been when I got hit in the hand holding my mouse Jul 20 13:56:17 ByronT-Desktop: sounds unhealthy Jul 20 13:56:50 well, yes, the mouse is completely dead - but think paper clip into wall outlet / light socket.... Jul 20 13:57:51 I'm going to miss my ThinkPad T42p though... having to wait on insurance, etc. Jul 20 14:43:45 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (6 files in 2 dirs): preliminary work on qemu Jul 20 14:44:20 Cool, so I can run my DOS apps now eh. Jul 20 14:45:47 neat Jul 20 14:45:49 :P Jul 20 14:46:22 I'm impressed I can run most of my lucasart games on my XBox :D Jul 20 14:48:57 it's not working yet - at the moment it cross-builds, but dumps core when you try to use it (SIGILL). I think that some of the generated arm code is wrongly byteswapped during cross-compilation Jul 20 14:49:28 if anyone here knows more about qemu than me, now would be a good time to make yourself known Jul 20 15:03:07 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/emacs.mk: now that emacs no longer has a broken rpath, it needs LD_LIBRARY_PATH set during a native build Jul 20 15:21:59 <[g2]> Jacmet, how much traffic did you see ? Jul 20 17:43:44 <[g2]-away> hey did you guys see the /. on Jacmet's article ? Jul 20 17:44:18 nope Jul 20 17:44:36 <[g2]-away> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/07/20/1845231.shtml?tid=222&tid=90&tid=193&tid=106 Jul 20 17:44:37 looking now Jul 20 17:46:53 this is the kind of idiotic responses I expected: Jul 20 17:46:56 Already hacked (Score:4, Informative) Jul 20 17:46:56 by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 20, @07:24PM (#13118809) Jul 20 17:46:56 The Linksys NSLU2 has already been hacked [tomsnetworking.com] so you can run your own applications on it. Jul 20 17:47:16 "Score:4, Informative" /. is the suck Jul 20 17:47:22 dammit Jul 20 17:47:34 stupid xchat fixed my intentional typo Jul 20 17:49:52 teh teh teh Jul 20 17:49:53 heh Jul 20 17:49:55 fixed it Jul 20 17:51:24 oh, and this: Jul 20 17:51:27 Practically useless (Score:1, Insightful) Jul 20 17:51:27 by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 20, @07:25PM (#13118821) Jul 20 17:51:27 ARM is the hardware equivelent of a turing tarpit. Only a RiscOS fan would be insipid enough to think this was a good idea. Jul 20 17:51:53 I wonder if there's a way I can make it so I cannot read /. Jul 20 17:52:45 <[g2]-away> echo "127.0.0.1 www.slashdot.org" >> /etc/hosts Jul 20 17:54:24 I wonder if ka6sox's server is getting any more traffic due to Jacmet's /. article Jul 20 17:55:06 [g2]-away, I need a way I cannot undo in a moment of weakness Jul 20 17:55:35 So "Slug" is now official - it's been on Slashdot :-) Jul 20 17:55:56 and the overclocking too :-) Jul 20 17:56:03 yep :-) Jul 20 17:57:10 I'm a bit peeved that the first mention of other firmware goes to tomshardware instead of our site :-( Jul 20 17:57:22 yeah, but that's /. for you Jul 20 17:58:23 /. is a double-edged sword Jul 20 17:58:30 ok, we're mentioned a bit further down in the comments. Jul 20 17:58:43 no new donations overnight though ... Jul 20 18:26:50 Jacmet: you're famous dude Jul 20 18:28:09 Jacmet: do you have a name for your debian slug distro? Jul 20 18:28:54 Jacmet: have you been in touch with anyone at Monte Vista ? Jul 20 18:43:51 if this publicity spurt generates an email from linuxworldexpo .org committee to anyone, can you please let me know? Jul 20 18:45:27 ok Jul 20 18:48:01 thanks rwhitby Jul 20 20:08:44 woot, debian on NSLU2 :-) Jul 20 20:09:29 <[g2]> go terps! Jul 20 20:17:01 hi christopher Jul 20 20:23:07 hi Jul 20 20:23:38 [g2] yes, I am staying at the University of Maryland while working at NASA Goddard this summer Jul 20 20:23:52 <[g2]> excellent Jul 20 20:24:06 <[g2]> I used to live near there Jul 20 20:25:36 [g2] cool, it's my first time on the east coast Jul 20 20:28:02 <[g2]> I'm down in Research Triangle Park area now Jul 20 20:28:22 <[g2]> but the MD/VA/DC area was fun Jul 20 20:28:45 <[g2]> I miss the cheap ethnic food Jul 20 20:28:56 <[g2]> cheap and yummy Jul 20 20:31:09 yeah, and all the museums are free Jul 20 20:32:50 <[g2]> yup Jul 20 20:34:47 has anyone here tried the debian for NSLU2 yet? Jul 20 20:53:43 <[g2]> Jacmet isn't here right now Jul 20 20:53:54 <[g2]> that's his article Jul 20 20:54:16 <[g2]> we run at least two other flavors Jul 20 20:56:51 mostly I was excited to see all of the packages that it made available for it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 20 23:59:56 2005