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Oct 16 08:32:25 <dwery> hello
Oct 16 08:32:31 <dwery> anyone is using perl on the slug?
Oct 16 08:33:06 <widrone> You running unslung? 
Oct 16 08:33:36 <dwery> debian
Oct 16 08:34:47 <widrone> Ok then I am. But im no perl hacker, its installed atleast. 
Oct 16 08:34:52 <dwery> i found it to be quite slow.. I was wondering if there are any speedup tricks..
Oct 16 08:40:54 <[g2]> dwery what are you doing with it ?
Oct 16 08:43:17 <dwery> [g2]: i need to run some scripts via cron, which performs some company-related operations.. it takes 8/10 seconds for perl to process all the "use MODULE;" directives.. but i think there's no solution to that
Oct 16 08:43:50 <[g2]> you're running the Debian BE right ?
Oct 16 08:44:09 <[g2]> I'm wondering how fast it'll take on a Loft that has 533 and 64MB 
Oct 16 08:45:02 <dwery> Debian LE
Oct 16 08:45:12 <[g2]> ok...
Oct 16 08:45:17 <dwery> I guess 2x/3x
Oct 16 08:45:33 <[g2]> I'll also be interested BE/LE comparisons
Oct 16 08:46:28 <dwery> well.. I think the difference should be minimal
Oct 16 08:46:52 <[g2]> maybe, maybe not
Oct 16 08:46:58 <[g2]> that's why I like to check
Oct 16 08:47:03 <dwery> If you'll send me an eval board I will be more detailed :-D
Oct 16 08:47:29 <[g2]> if you tell me your USE modules I'll run it right now :)
Oct 16 08:48:20 <[g2]> I'll be right back... rebooting for X
Oct 16 08:48:24 <dwery> ok. let me remove company modules
Oct 16 09:04:48 * Jacmet ponders attaching a nokia 3310 lcd to the slug
Oct 16 09:04:57 <Jacmet> like on the wrts: http://duff.dk/wrt54gs/pics/reuter_lcd.jpg
Oct 16 09:07:37 <dwery> Jacmet: i'vea 3310 lcd right here
Oct 16 09:08:26 <dwery> it;s currently connected to an usb dev board.. 
Oct 16 09:09:38 <dwery> i didn;t know there was a framebuffer driver for the 3310
Oct 16 09:11:19 <Jacmet> dwery: me too (or rather a old nokia gsm with flat battery)
Oct 16 09:11:33 <dwery> i bought them on ebay for a few bucks..
Oct 16 09:11:38 <Jacmet> dwery: the openwrt people have hacked a framebuffer driver for it
Oct 16 09:11:58 <Jacmet> dwery: it's quite simple as it just talks spi
Oct 16 09:12:08 <Jacmet> dwery: http://duff.dk/wrt54gs/
Oct 16 09:12:19 <dwery> the slug has no spare i/o lines, i will use my usb dev board to connect it
Oct 16 09:12:29 <Jacmet> dwery: or http://nanl.de/nanl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=2
Oct 16 09:13:02 <Jacmet> dwery: I was thinking of piggybanking on the LEDs - I don't really need those anyway
Oct 16 09:13:13 <Jacmet> dwery: and as you just need 3 gpios ..
Oct 16 09:13:30 <dwery> it can be done. post a photo if you do please :0
Oct 16 09:13:31 <dwery> :)
Oct 16 09:13:38 <dwery> i like the leds :)
Oct 16 09:13:46 <Jacmet> dwery: I will ;)
Oct 16 09:14:07 <Jacmet> dwery: I like them as well, but I think I'll prefer the LCD ;)
Oct 16 09:14:21 <dwery> where do you plan to place it?
Oct 16 09:14:45 <Jacmet> dwery: I can always put the leds on a i2c I/O extender - as long as I don't need to blink them too fast
Oct 16 09:15:00 <Jacmet> dwery: I'll try to squeeze it in the side of the box
Oct 16 09:15:42 <dwery> you may want to talk to the people who did this fb code in order to generalize it and have it in the kernel
Oct 16 09:17:10 <Jacmet> dwery: yes, currently it's very hacky
Oct 16 09:17:51 <dwery> the new driver model and an i2c like wat to pass the gpio pins around would do
Oct 16 09:18:44 <Jacmet> dwery: nowadays there's even a SPI subsystem like the I2C one, so you would keep the HW access completely outside the fb driver
Oct 16 09:19:09 <dwery> I haven't see it. where it is in the kernel?
Oct 16 09:20:17 <Jacmet> dwery: it may or may not be in mainline yet, but I've seen quite some patches about it lately - I think the originated from ppc
Oct 16 09:20:27 <dwery> ah ok :)
Oct 16 09:20:46 <dwery> because I may want to write a driver to do USB/SPI within that subsystem
Oct 16 09:20:47 <Jacmet> dwery: like http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Oct/0277.html
Oct 16 09:21:35 <Jacmet> dwery: ok, I haven't really looked into it yet, but it doesn't look that complicated
Oct 16 09:21:55 <dwery> ye. I had no time to do more work on my adapter, but tests were promising
Oct 16 09:21:58 <[g2]> dwery got that module list ?
Oct 16 09:22:02 <dwery> yes
Oct 16 09:22:25 <dwery> [g2]: http://rafb.net/paste/results/zmzalz85.html
Oct 16 09:22:55 <dwery> slug:/tmp# time ./test.pl
Oct 16 09:22:55 <dwery> real    0m4.104s
Oct 16 09:22:55 <dwery> user    0m3.370s
Oct 16 09:22:55 <dwery> sys     0m0.730s
Oct 16 09:23:23 <dwery> maybe the slowness is related to the disk i/o
Oct 16 09:24:33 <widrone> Is it in port 1 or 2 by the way? 
Oct 16 09:25:36 <dwery> widrone: 1. does it matter?
Oct 16 09:30:04 <widrone> dwery: It should not, just asking. 
Oct 16 09:30:09 <dwery> ok
Oct 16 09:34:43 <widrone> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/EnableExtraUSBPorts <- Then this is a bit confusing to read anyway, it seems to read that maybe the 2nd port is an a low speed connection.
Oct 16 09:37:57 <[g2]> dwery cpan's getting setup and installing bundle
Oct 16 09:38:06 <dwery> ok
Oct 16 09:38:33 <[g2]> then I'll have to install any modules I don't have and can time it
Oct 16 09:38:37 <dwery> maybe i will setup a jffs2 witht the modules
Oct 16 09:38:49 <[g2]> this is running from hd
Oct 16 09:40:50 <dwery> I've just notice that my 2nd slug does not recognize the flash..
Oct 16 09:41:03 <dwery> will cross-check with my development one
Oct 16 09:49:53 <[g2]> dwery Lunch time :(
Oct 16 09:50:23 <[g2]> CPAN still installing stuff ... I post the results/question (if any q's) after lunch 
Oct 16 09:50:31 <dwery> ok, see ya
Oct 16 10:25:44 <[g2]> dwery LWP doesn't cleanly pass the tests for cpan>install LWP
Oct 16 10:26:10 <[g2]> I guess it can be overridden but I don't know how much sense that makes
Oct 16 10:26:20 <dwery> let's remove it
Oct 16 10:26:28 <[g2]> ok
Oct 16 10:27:19 <dwery> timed, real 3.8 - 4.2
Oct 16 10:27:45 <[g2]> now trying cpan> install XML
Oct 16 10:29:39 <[g2]> install Bundle:XML is working much better :)
Oct 16 10:34:57 <[g2]> heh... debian perl is not happy with me
Oct 16 10:35:13 <[g2]> which version of perl are you running ?
Oct 16 10:36:18 <dwery> let me see...
Oct 16 10:36:28 <[g2]> This has got 5.8-4 armeb-linux-thread-multi
Oct 16 10:36:35 <dwery> This is perl, v5.8.7 built for arm-linux-thread-multi
Oct 16 10:38:15 <[g2]> dwery is that from unstable ?
Oct 16 10:38:45 <dwery> it should be testing
Oct 16 10:39:17 <[g2]> ok.. I don't the the BE testing/unstable are in the repo yet but they are getting a lot closer
Oct 16 10:40:59 <dwery> i'm trying jffs2 . the ramdisk is /dev/mtd3 , right?
Oct 16 10:41:49 <[g2]> there is no ramdisk with Openslug
Oct 16 10:42:46 <dwery> i mean if that one is the correct mtd device
Oct 16 10:44:55 <[g2]> iirc jffs2 is normally mtdblock4
Oct 16 10:45:34 <[g2]> 0=Redboot,1=Sysconf,2=Linux,3=stub,4=jffs2
Oct 16 10:47:01 <dwery> 0x00000000-0x00040000 : "RedBoot"
Oct 16 10:47:01 <dwery> 0x00040000-0x00060000 : "SysConf"
Oct 16 10:47:01 <dwery> 0x00060000-0x00160000 : "Kernel"
Oct 16 10:47:01 <dwery> 0x00160000-0x00180000 : "Ramdisk"
Oct 16 10:47:02 <dwery> 0x007e0000-0x00800000 : "FIS directory"
Oct 16 10:47:25 <dwery> ?
Oct 16 10:56:25 <[g2]> you're running LE right
Oct 16 10:56:50 <[g2]> btw perl is much happier with things like XML::Simple :)
Oct 16 10:57:44 <dwery> le, right :)
Oct 16 10:58:02 <[g2]> I don't know _jack_ about LE sorry :(
Oct 16 10:58:10 <[g2]> or Jacmet  :)
Oct 16 11:03:57 <[g2]> dwery what do you get without LWP ?
Oct 16 11:04:04 <[g2]> 3.8-4.2 ?
Oct 16 11:04:19 <dwery> 3.8 4.2 secsw
Oct 16 11:04:36 <[g2]> secsw ?
Oct 16 11:05:33 <dwery> seconds.
Oct 16 11:05:49 <dwery> the w is garbage :)
Oct 16 11:06:00 <[g2]> ok.
Oct 16 11:06:41 <[g2]> without LWP::Simple I get real 2.644s, user 2.250, sys 0.39
Oct 16 11:06:58 <[g2]> it's pretty consistent around that
Oct 16 11:07:05 <[g2]> are you running from disk ?
Oct 16 11:07:19 <[g2]> and this is with 5.8-4 (dunno if it matters)
Oct 16 11:10:19 <[g2]> anybody know how to cut-n-paste from an xterm in IceWM ?
Oct 16 11:11:02 <dwery> [g2]: usb disk.. 
Oct 16 11:11:06 <dwery> i have to go.. byee
Oct 16 11:15:52 <[g2]> dwery-away ok.. same here
Oct 16 11:16:21 <[g2]> dwery-away what's your hdparm number on the disk ?
Oct 16 11:16:29 <[g2]> later on I'll check the logs
Oct 16 11:25:36 <dwery-away> 11MB/sec
Oct 16 11:26:09 <[g2]> dwery-away I get between 13-14MB/sec
Oct 16 11:26:32 <dwery-away> do you think it's USB or disk limit?
Oct 16 11:26:53 <[g2]> the actual disk does 24-28MB/s on the P4
Oct 16 11:27:07 <[g2]> I was seeing 10-11 on the Slug
Oct 16 11:27:35 <[g2]> I'm trying to understand the south side of the AHP
Oct 16 11:27:42 <[g2]> and the PCI setting
Oct 16 11:27:54 <[g2]> and the USB settings :)
Oct 16 11:28:13 <[g2]> I'm guessing that there's lots of performance room in there
Oct 16 11:28:52 <[g2]> I think the USB devces are setup to only have 1 outsanding disk transfer at a time
Oct 16 11:29:04 <dwery-away> ok, i'll check to log for your discoveries this night :-D
Oct 16 11:29:16 <[g2]> it's gonna take a little while
Oct 16 11:30:37 <[g2]> more X playing... bbiab
Oct 16 13:51:04 <CIA-4> 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r64742be1... 10/packages/dhcp/ (files/fixincludes.patch dhcp_3.0.1.bb dhcp_3.0.2.bb): 
Oct 16 13:51:04 <CIA-4> dhcp: added patch to fix build problem - close bug #400
Oct 16 13:51:04 <CIA-4> - patch add <asm/types.h> into tr.c
Oct 16 13:51:04 <CIA-4> - resolution provided by Stefan Sander <stefan-sander@gmx.de>
Oct 16 13:51:13 <CIA-4> 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * rd795eb67... 10/packages/bluez/bluez-hcidump_1.26.bb: bluez-hcidump: added 1.26 (close bug #398)
Oct 16 14:36:13 <CIA-4> 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r411080ac... 10/packages/ (12 files in 2 dirs): DejaVu fonts: upgraded to 1.15 (both TrueType and QPF versions)
Oct 16 14:51:14 <rwhitby> dwery-away: what's the latest status on the upstream 2.6.14 patches push ?
Oct 16 16:03:53 <dwery> rwhitby-away: ping
Oct 16 16:21:16 <dwery> rwhitby-away: no news. x1205 has been accepted and sent upstairs.. it will require another one/two floors to reach Linus :)
Oct 16 16:21:34 <dwery> I haven't heard Deepak.. going to send an email.
Oct 16 17:40:06 <dwery> Jacmet: hi. tested mtd and jffs2 on LE.. everything seems fine
Oct 16 17:41:28 <[g2]> dwery so we're all set for now right ?
Oct 16 17:41:56 <[g2]> re: perl performance (until I come up with something about PCI/AHB/USB/etc...)
Oct 16 17:42:30 <dwery> [g2]: i copied the modules on the flash but the speed is almost the same.
Oct 16 17:42:56 <dwery> [g2]: everything else seems fine, i think the currect ixp400 mtd code is perfect
Oct 16 17:43:22 <[g2]> dwery you should try and copy the modules to a ramdisk
Oct 16 17:43:54 <dwery> maybe i'll try, but i'll loose memory
Oct 16 17:44:00 <[g2]> even copying perl to the ramdisk would be a good idea
Oct 16 17:44:18 <[g2]> Oh... I'm just saying for a test case
Oct 16 17:44:30 <[g2]> to see the CPU versus I/O timing
Oct 16 17:44:37 <dwery> the system is running postgres, apache, courier and another bunch of programs :)
Oct 16 17:44:51 <[g2]> you really need a loft :)
Oct 16 17:45:00 <[g2]> 533 and 64M
Oct 16 17:45:03 <dwery> probably yes ;0
Oct 16 17:45:34 <dwery> or use a cluster of NSLU2s :D
Oct 16 17:45:46 <[g2]> that works too
Oct 16 17:46:01 <dwery> can't remember if the Loft has onboard ide.. ?
Oct 16 17:46:25 <[g2]> no but 2 MiniPCIs and 2 USB 2.0 plus a CF slot
Oct 16 17:46:50 <dwery> how many spare I/O ?
Oct 16 17:47:15 <[g2]> and with the latest Redboot you can do stuff like load ... -m disk hda1:/boot/zImage
Oct 16 17:47:33 <[g2]> there's I2C, and 4 or 5 GPIOs
Oct 16 17:47:48 <dwery> it would be fine to play with SPI and MMC
Oct 16 17:48:00 <[g2]> why you have onbard CF
Oct 16 17:48:18 <[g2]> I mean other than to just play
Oct 16 17:48:30 <dwery> 'cos my camera (and most others) use MMC/SD
Oct 16 17:48:44 <dwery> .. and to play, of course :)
Oct 16 17:48:55 <[g2]> um... the USB 2.0 ports work great with an adapter
Oct 16 17:49:01 <dwery> i hate adapters :)
Oct 16 17:49:19 <dwery> jacmet was also thinking about adding an lcd to the slug
Oct 16 17:49:40 <[g2]> I just saw the Logitech USB keyboard with built in LCD :)
Oct 16 17:50:21 <dwery> WHERE?
Oct 16 17:50:33 <dwery> (the logitech sitge, obviously :) )
Oct 16 17:51:31 <[g2]> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1870548,00.asp
Oct 16 17:51:47 <[g2]> there
Oct 16 17:52:04 <[g2]> there's an SDK for the LCD dunno if it's open or not
Oct 16 17:52:25 <[g2]> I imagine the thing just shows up a multiple devices
Oct 16 17:52:44 <[g2]> I've been very happy with the USB keyboard and mouse support in debian
Oct 16 17:53:28 <[g2]> I've plugged in an extra keyboard and mouse on my thin client and I can use either one
Oct 16 17:53:43 <[g2]> it's especially handy on the laptop for the mouse
Oct 16 17:54:07 <[g2]> touch pad for a click or 1 point and grab the mouse for surfing
Oct 16 17:54:48 <dwery> that keyboard is _huge_!
Oct 16 17:54:53 <dwery> but very nice
Oct 16 17:55:19 <[g2]> it's got the USB with built-in LCD and keyboard for 70-80
Oct 16 17:55:43 <[g2]> it'd be cool to plug it in and just have the LCD
Oct 16 17:55:52 <dwery> yep.. a bit expensive maybe
Oct 16 17:56:14 <[g2]> like making you own is going to cost less
Oct 16 17:56:31 <[g2]> 80 hours of time 
Oct 16 17:56:36 <dwery> no.. but there are usb lcds
Oct 16 17:56:48 <[g2]> urls ?
Oct 16 17:57:04 <dwery> mm.. can't remember, i think i got the link from the lcdproc website
Oct 16 17:57:07 <[g2]> < $65 ?
Oct 16 17:57:34 <dwery> proobably 70/80 USD for LCD+keyboard is better than 60 (or so) for LCD only.. 
Oct 16 17:58:43 <[g2]> depends on the LCD
Oct 16 17:58:50 <[g2]> size, backlight etc..
Oct 16 17:59:30 <dwery> i'm searching for a red lcd with red backlight but no luck..
Oct 16 18:00:30 <dwery> given that the G15 can be found, according to google, for 60usd.. i think I might buy one..
Oct 16 18:00:54 <dwery> 55usd
Oct 16 18:01:47 <dwery> but most of those shops will not ship to italy :(
Oct 16 18:07:44 <[g2]> dwery we need to send a patch up stream that fixes all those cast warnings   `__ixp4xx_writel' makes integer from pointer
Oct 16 18:08:29 <dwery> [g2]: well, yes.. it's late in the night here, so i'm going to bed.. If you wanto to write this patch i could give it a test tomorrow :)
Oct 16 18:09:31 <[g2]> I'm just saying in the near future
Oct 16 18:09:42 <dwery> :D
Oct 16 18:09:54 <[g2]> I'm testing the d-i installer rwhitby-away created
Oct 16 18:10:53 <dwery> any major problem?
Oct 16 18:12:33 <dwery> btw if you find any cheap usb lcd please drop me a note :)
Oct 16 18:19:20 <[g2]> nod.
Oct 16 18:20:20 <dwery> i also saw some usb "phones" with buil-it LCDs for ~50eur
Oct 16 18:20:31 <dwery> s/buil-it/built-in/
Oct 16 18:22:14 <dwery> but the G15 is definitely better
Oct 16 18:36:13 <dwery> i'm going, see ya..
Oct 17 00:56:25 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * 10kernel/2.6.12/ (30-i2c-x1205.patch 50-nslu2-general.patch): Updated so that they compile against 2.6.12
Oct 17 01:03:15 <rwhitby> dwery-away: nslu.sf.net kernel repo 2.6.12 ditr now compiles
Oct 17 01:31:11 <CIA-8> 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rbf441048... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: update gpe-shield and gpe-bluetooth
Oct 17 01:57:04 <rwhitby> conradl: we'e gonna get iomega nas100d boxen instead of ds101's.
Oct 17 02:06:13 <CIA-8> 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rc6c3b0d5... 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.105.bb: libgpewidget: add 0.105
Oct 17 02:20:10 <conradl> rwhitby already looking for a good price!
Oct 17 02:21:55 <rwhitby> conradl: USD$180 - you won't find it under $450 in aus
Oct 17 02:22:12 <conradl> thats a challenge!
Oct 17 02:22:37 <conradl> ordered a hx4700 today.
Oct 17 02:24:20 <rwhitby> conradl: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1118419&Sku=I21-2060
Oct 17 02:25:18 <dwery> rwhitby: hi. what's inside the 100d?
Oct 17 02:26:23 <conradl> nice...but i want to try a via fanless m/b @667  in think.
Oct 17 02:28:42 <rwhitby> dwery: armeb
Oct 17 02:28:44 <rwhitby> have a look at www.debonaras.org / wiki / Info / BootLog
Oct 17 02:28:47 <rwhitby> http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/Info/BootLog
Oct 17 02:29:52 <conradl> looks like something we need to stock @ work...
Oct 17 02:30:11 <rwhitby> http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/Iomega100d
Oct 17 02:31:00 <rwhitby> twice the ram and flash of a slug, and wireless, and ide too.
Oct 17 02:31:00 <dwery> seems a nice machine. around 450eur here
Oct 17 02:31:19 <dwery> slow processor :(
Oct 17 02:31:25 <rwhitby> yeah, seems that it's horrendously overpriced just about everywhere (including other places in the US).
Oct 17 02:32:14 <rwhitby> but ka6sox has successfully ordered and received one from tigerdirect for USD$180
Oct 17 02:32:33 <dwery> tigerdirect won't sent outside us without a lot of troubles :(
Oct 17 02:33:07 <dwery> do we know which rtc it uses?
Oct 17 02:33:08 <rwhitby> that's why we have hacking communities to act as shipping agents ...
Oct 17 02:33:14 <dwery> :-D
Oct 17 02:34:26 <rwhitby> dunno - we don't have source code for it, just the firmware image (which is a simple tar file)
Oct 17 02:34:36 <dwery> btw, I can confirm mtd works fine here.
Oct 17 02:35:00 <dwery> iomega did not released the source?
Oct 17 02:35:25 <rwhitby> cool - I finished getting the 2.6.12 version of your 2.6.14 patchset to compile today - it's checked in ready for someone else to test too :-)
Oct 17 02:35:42 <dwery> rwhitby: i will.
Oct 17 02:35:42 <rwhitby> apparently iomega released an unrelated package of source code.
Oct 17 02:35:55 <dwery> the EFF would be happy to jump on them :)
Oct 17 02:36:24 <rwhitby> ka6sox is trying the asking nicely approach first.
Oct 17 02:37:09 <rwhitby> apart from the gpio settings. most other things on the board are known quantities for us, so it shouldn't be too hard to port 2.6.14 to it.
Oct 17 02:38:11 <dwery> ack
Oct 17 02:38:33 <rwhitby> dyoung and I have one each on the way ...
Oct 17 02:39:10 * dyoung-away giggle maniacally.
Oct 17 02:40:09 <dwery> ehe :) i've to many boards on the desk right now..
Oct 17 02:41:33 <rwhitby> dyoung-away's gonna get his about a week before me, so he'll probably have all the fun
Oct 17 02:42:49 <dwery> i;m on my second nslu2 and a third will be on the way sooner or later.. this game is not going to be cheap :)
Oct 17 02:57:14 <jelle> usage of "leds" seems to be not as stated... 
Oct 17 02:57:33 <jelle> leds +0   =>  leds: 0: unknown LED (use r,g,0,1 or A)
Oct 17 02:58:02 <jelle> should probably be "(use r,g,1,2 or A)
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