**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 29 02:59:58 2005 Dec 29 06:17:38 anyone around? Dec 29 06:19:52 jep Dec 29 06:20:32 i'm working on my ds101 trying to run debian **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 29 06:48:40 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 29 06:56:54 2005 Dec 29 07:22:32 hi Dec 29 07:31:19 hi Dec 29 08:04:47 Great ... debian working on ds101g+ as chroot :) Dec 29 10:58:36 overcloaking nslu2: as of the website, there's nearly no change on power consumption, right? Dec 29 10:59:29 right Dec 29 10:59:37 also for temp... those 1.6°C seems to be "unchanged" ;) Dec 29 11:00:00 well, i did not really notice a difference and my slug is running at 266 for several months now Dec 29 11:00:32 fine ... do you think, putting a little passive cooler is it worth? Dec 29 11:01:34 (I have cooler for memory chips of aluminium - self glueing) Dec 29 11:04:34 I read about people saying not to put the slug horizontal due to temp issues ... why that? Dec 29 13:26:39 hello, has anyone succeeded at cross-compiling mldonkey ? Dec 29 13:59:04 Shareman: I expect if you put the slug horizontally, and put something on top of it, then you're asking for heat issues irrespective of whether you're running at 133 or 266. Dec 29 14:12:27 03rwhitby * 10debian/Makefile: Intermediate solution for building official debian kernels Dec 29 14:46:43 03rwhitby * 10debian/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated to -rc7 Dec 29 15:15:59 rwhitby :) Dec 29 15:16:53 I thought, 8 watts never produce any problems ... Dec 29 15:17:25 CIA: What are you talking about? Dec 29 15:17:56 what is the most common way to upgrade nslu2 to debian? Dec 29 15:21:57 Does NSLU2 run on little and big endian mode? Dec 29 15:37:54 * chouimat goes fetch his nslu2 ... Dec 29 15:38:07 and going to a pub too :) Dec 29 15:42:58 ? Dec 29 16:02:14 hey rwhitby .. some seconds? Dec 29 16:20:47 Shareman: whassup? Dec 29 16:26:27 hey ... i don't understand on unsl2 ... it's an arm platform Dec 29 16:26:42 can this run under big and little endian? Dec 29 16:26:49 yes Dec 29 16:27:14 but it needs to be consistent... Dec 29 16:27:18 Stock bootloader and firmware is armeb Dec 29 16:27:31 Unslung, OpenSlug, UcSlugC are all armeb Dec 29 16:27:39 LeSlug is armel Dec 29 16:27:51 okay! Dec 29 16:28:02 OpenSlug can use the debian-armeb port Dec 29 16:28:03 and armel is the arch told to be "arm" on debian Dec 29 16:28:14 standard port Dec 29 16:28:18 LeSlug can use the normal arm debian packages Dec 29 16:28:35 now i see.. Dec 29 16:28:39 OpenSlug and LeSlug are identical, apart from the endianness Dec 29 16:29:36 www.debonaras.org is building sarge and sid armeb packages Dec 29 16:29:44 (for use with OpenSlug) Dec 29 16:29:48 yes that's what i read Dec 29 16:30:01 and I am working on getting NSLU2 supported by the standard debian kernel and installer Dec 29 16:30:09 but i didn't fully understand why (because i could see "arm" as arch on deb) Dec 29 16:30:23 that's great Dec 29 16:30:51 so you work on the debian packages itself Dec 29 16:32:24 I'm working with the debian-kernel team to try and get the existing arm/ixp4xx debian kernel image package to work on the nslu2. This involves changes to kernel-package and debian-installer. Dec 29 16:34:50 hmm... so what option to choos to run a debian on nslu2 for now? Dec 29 16:35:21 any speed differences between LE and BE? Dec 29 16:37:47 you probably would suggest debonaras, right? Dec 29 16:39:29 I would suggest running OpenSlug with a hard disk partitioned with / for OpenSlug (maybe 400MB), / for OpenDebianSlug (maybe 1GB), swap (maybe 1GB), and the rest of the disk for /home. Dec 29 16:39:48 then debootstrap debian onto the OpenDebianSlug / partition and turnup disk to that, Dec 29 16:40:24 you can do the same thing with s/OpenSlug/LeSlug/, but I think I am the only one running that at the moment. Dec 29 16:41:15 you remember - i did debootstrap yesterday for my chroot (ds101g+) Dec 29 16:41:37 was a nightmare since debootstrap depends much more than listed in dependencies Dec 29 16:43:29 Please make some things clear to me: OpenSlug and DebianSlug is listed as "Project" with "firmware" Dec 29 16:45:17 if you suggest this: this means in concrete which firmware applying? Dec 29 16:46:55 flash openslug, then debootstrap Dec 29 16:48:00 http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/HowTo/BootStrap Dec 29 16:50:29 is it okay to extend the wiki with my dependency notes? Dec 29 16:50:47 that's what the wiki is there for ... Dec 29 16:50:58 ;) Dec 29 16:51:42 okay so let's begin take part of the process ;) Dec 29 16:53:15 but instead of doing that, perhaps you can write this page instead: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/LeDebianSlug Dec 29 16:53:44 and give a step-by-step on how to build and install LeSlug, and then debootstrap to debian unstable Dec 29 16:54:46 If you undertake to write that page, then I will undertake to help you with any questions along the way. Dec 29 16:55:00 Deal? Dec 29 17:01:16 Shareman: have I scared you away? Dec 29 17:01:43 sorry Dec 29 17:01:44 :) Dec 29 17:02:21 i was correcting the dependencies on the wiki ;) that list is now abolutely correct Dec 29 17:03:04 PS: i'm a friend of stable releases ;) Dec 29 17:03:54 sonds nice to me what you're offering Dec 29 17:05:00 you can write up how to debootstrap to sarge instead. that's fine with me. Dec 29 17:05:46 let me think about it some seconds Dec 29 17:08:01 DebianSlug (as base folder) means a super of "Slugs running debian"? Dec 29 17:08:39 so inside this folder you provide all infos about any arch and howtos to that topic, right? Dec 29 17:09:59 now i see .. those names are a little dazzling Dec 29 17:10:10 dizzling ;) Dec 29 17:10:19 no =) Dec 29 17:12:19 If i klick on "Little Endian DebianSlug" the resulting page is http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/DiskImageInstall Dec 29 17:13:34 that page is the old way of doing it which requires extra hardware. Dec 29 17:13:56 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/LeDebianSlug is a new page (single page) which will replace all other Little Endian DebianSlug pages. Dec 29 17:14:45 see it Dec 29 17:15:21 Okay i'm going to do that one Dec 29 17:20:06 Now: here i am with my nslu2 right out of the box (only opened the case and putted the 4 serial pins on the board) ... Dec 29 17:24:05 Shareman: are you set up to build LeSlug from source ? Dec 29 17:25:01 got many testing machines to do that, but no such setup done till now Dec 29 17:26:48 as i understand right now: Dec 29 17:27:01 stock machine runs BE mode Dec 29 17:27:20 so i first need to flash le and then debootstrap, right? Dec 29 17:31:51 yes, you will need to build LeSlug using the MasterMakefile, and then flash that onto the slug and boot it. Dec 29 17:36:40 sounds >>make< any suggestion on literature for that masterMakefile? Dec 29 17:37:51 this is the same MasterMakefile as for ds101g+, right? Dec 29 17:39:10 and your suggested way to flash the slug? serial? tftp? Dec 29 17:50:25 wiki/Development/MasterMakefile Dec 29 17:50:52 Shareman: do you have a windows or linux box on the LAN with the target NSLU2 ? Dec 29 17:51:09 if Linux, then use UpSlug2 and the reset button method to put the box into upgrade mode. Dec 29 17:51:30 If Windows, then use the SerComm upgrade utility Dec 29 17:52:49 i have both working and testing Dec 29 17:53:20 going to try both i think Dec 29 18:04:57 since I do development in a VMWare session on a windows laptop, and upslug2 can't get through the WMWare NAT, then I use the SerComm upgrade tool myself. Dec 29 18:05:58 okay ... i'm much more familiar with my windows too (never used any gui on windows for my own) Dec 29 18:06:55 but for server/console applications, my daily job to develop on linux servers Dec 29 18:07:58 i removed the resistor to overclock it right now :) Dec 29 18:08:09 I personally cannot stand the overblown overskinned KDE and Gnome monstrosities that today's Linux distributions have become, and run Linux inside a PuTTy ssh window :-) Dec 29 18:10:57 as me too :) Dec 29 18:12:08 i'm very familiar with "jobs, bg, fg, ..." ;) Dec 29 18:23:03 can you tell me the reason for some devices working via hub and some not? Dec 29 18:31:13 rwhitby-web: i highly recommend Ion window manager if you're a minimalist Dec 29 18:38:41 hehe Dec 29 18:42:12 Shareman: if your question is in regard to Unslung or stock firmware, then it's the Linksys kernel USB mods. If in regard to OpenSlug, then I haven't heard anything that doesn't work. Dec 29 18:42:43 eno-away: it's not just the window manager - it's the whole set of libraries and applications and bloatware that is KDE and Gnome. Dec 29 18:43:02 (but that's just my personal opinion, I'm sure lots of people like the additional functionality) Dec 29 18:47:28 rwhitby: just heard about some issues, and i would understand that linksys restrict functionality with the hint "if you want more, you need to buy another one" Dec 29 18:55:19 is there a standard login credential for nslu stock fw? Dec 29 18:55:30 (enables telnet from webinterface) Dec 29 19:19:51 okay ... next step tomorrow Dec 29 23:41:00 FYI: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.nslu2.linux/10693 <- asking the question whether nslu2-linux should focus on arm(el) or armeb or both Dec 30 00:04:58 I just read http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.nslu2.linux/10693 and was wondering where I could find more information on LeDebianSlug **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 30 03:00:01 2005