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Nov 15 03:25:56 <scarolan> hi folks - i jsut installed debianslug on my nslu2, but forgot to change the root password.  any ideas how i can get in without reinstalling?
Nov 15 03:31:45 <scarolan> the ssh daemon is running, i'm just not sure there's any accounts there i can connect to
Nov 15 03:35:47 <scarolan> do you suppose i could shut it off and just disconnect the drive, and edit /etc/passwd by hand?
Nov 15 03:35:56 <scarolan> if i mounted it on my laptop
Nov 15 03:55:31 <HopsNBarley> scarolan, no reason that wouldn't work.
Nov 15 03:55:54 <scarolan> HopsNBarley, i'm trying it now.  i have an orange and green light - does that mean its still booting?
Nov 15 03:56:19 <HopsNBarley> little rusty on the slug - i think two greens means up.
Nov 15 03:56:55 <scarolan> hmm, i hope i didn't bork it.  it's taking a long time to boot, and i haven't heard beeps yet
Nov 15 06:19:37 <CIA-5> 03rwhitby * r579 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.19/ (3 files): Completely redid the redboot FIS directory patches, using an old patch that John Bowler had contributed. Patch 11 may well be superfluous.
Nov 15 06:20:48 <rwhitby> patch 05 is now the minimum patch that i think will work in all cases we encounter in nslu2-linux.
Nov 15 06:21:01 <rwhitby> (and should be acceptable as-is upstream)
Nov 15 07:01:29 <rwhitby> ok, SlugOS should not build and boot again.
Nov 15 07:01:40 <rwhitby> It now includes Apex, and the new open-source IXP driver.
Nov 15 07:02:12 * NAiL assumes rwhitby meant "should now build" :-P
Nov 15 07:02:19 <NAiL> great work :)
Nov 15 07:02:54 <rwhitby> yeah, should now build.
Nov 15 07:03:23 * NAiL takes another shot at building slugos with glibc 2.5
Nov 15 07:03:58 <rwhitby> NAiL: so what's your take on moving to Angstrom as a SlugOS basis?
Nov 15 07:04:40 * rwhitby wonders whether the OpenMoko distro would be useful for nslu2 ;-)
Nov 15 07:05:59 <NAiL> slugos is rather complex
Nov 15 07:06:17 <NAiL> upgrading glibc to 2.5 has proven a major pain ;)
Nov 15 07:06:54 <rwhitby> Is Angstrom any less complex?
Nov 15 07:07:41 <rwhitby> or is it just that OE people are keeping Angstrom current, whereas we are lagging behind?
Nov 15 07:08:30 <NAiL> that helps ;-)
Nov 15 07:11:17 <NAiL> angstrom uses the available classes in oe to do stuff we do manually
Nov 15 07:11:26 <NAiL> so it's a bit less complex
Nov 15 07:11:55 <NAiL> I'm not saying we have to. I haven't looked at it that closely yet
Nov 15 07:12:03 <NAiL> for all I know it might generate a lot of cruft
Nov 15 07:16:41 * dyoung twitches
Nov 15 07:17:02 <NAiL> It's ALIVE! 
Nov 15 07:17:03 <NAiL> :p
Nov 15 07:17:15 <NAiL> morning, dyoung :)
Nov 15 07:17:34 <dyoung> you said cruft.
Nov 15 07:17:35 <dyoung> hehe
Nov 15 07:17:41 * dyoung cruft killer
Nov 15 08:33:48 <rwhitby-treo> dyoung: ping
Nov 15 08:34:10 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: good morning
Nov 15 08:35:13 <likewise> NAiL: any changes I should be aware of between -18 and 19-rc5 in terms of the NPE driver?
Nov 15 08:35:25 <likewise> NAiL: open-source NPE driver, that is
Nov 15 08:35:45 <rwhitby-treo> likewise: should be the same, except slugos loads the microcode from flash now
Nov 15 08:36:18 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: ok, where? the microcode is fetched from flash by the driver, or through userspace?
Nov 15 08:37:21 <rwhitby-treo> kernel driver
Nov 15 08:37:41 <rwhitby-treo> from microcode are in last block after fis directoey
Nov 15 08:37:48 <rwhitby-treo> directory
Nov 15 08:38:19 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: thanks!
Nov 15 08:39:03 <likewise> I'll probably test with .19-rc5 right away then, I understood [g2] already did work to fetch MAC addresses from EEPROM, which is also what I'm planning to use, much like the IXDP425 defaults to.
Nov 15 08:39:47 <rwhitby-treo> yep, that should be in there
Nov 15 08:40:05 <rwhitby-treo> which platform are you using?
Nov 15 08:42:44 <rwhitby-treo> likewise?
Nov 15 08:42:55 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: custom, IXDP425 with a Vweb MPEG-2/4 transcoder PCI chip.
Nov 15 08:43:04 <likewise> s/IXDP425/IXDP425-alike
Nov 15 08:43:28 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: a video-over-IP platform
Nov 15 08:43:47 <rwhitby-treo> ok, do you have a recent redboot in flash to get the microcode?
Nov 15 08:46:50 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: probably not, 1.92 I think. I need to upgrade to 2.02 or 2.03 I assume
Nov 15 08:47:50 <rwhitby-treo> if you have a recent one, you can get the microcode from there. otherwise you need to store it somewhere else like we do for the nslu2
Nov 15 08:48:16 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: I will look into that today.
Nov 15 08:48:35 <rwhitby-treo> we have the partition name set in the machine setup code, so it can be different for different boards
Nov 15 08:48:56 <rwhitby-treo> have a look at nslu2-setup.c for an example
Nov 15 08:51:54 <rwhitby-treo> likewise: got a url of your board, or is it still in development and under wraps?
Nov 15 08:53:52 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: It's an industry-board for the video broadcast industry. We do not sell it through a marketing URL.
Nov 15 08:54:18 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: www.axon.tv and then the "Synapse" product range.
Nov 15 09:04:00 <likewise> rwhitby-treo: it's under wraps. We did have a brochure but it was retracted as the product got delayed due to shifting prio's
Nov 15 10:25:25 <[g2]> likewise MACs live at 256 bytes into the EEPROM correct ?
Nov 15 10:25:59 <likewise> [g2]: yes
Nov 15 10:26:39 <likewise> I'm still fixing up the kernel itself. It seems lzma and squashfs are not in, and I need to add my (def)config.
Nov 15 10:26:41 <[g2]> likewise Ok and the EEPROM starts at device 0x50 ?
Nov 15 10:27:24 <likewise> [g2]: yes
Nov 15 10:27:59 <[g2]> then the current patches will probably work just fine for you regarding pulling the MACs from the EEPROM
Nov 15 10:28:59 <[g2]> likewise btw I only put the finishing touched on the patch (adjusting the handling it the GPL NPE driver)
Nov 15 10:29:07 <[g2]> s/touched/touches/
Nov 15 10:29:08 <jbot> [g2] meant: likewise btw I only put the finishing touches on the patch (adjusting the handling it the GPL NPE driver)
Nov 15 10:29:54 <likewise> [g2]: yes, but you probably also tested it, which is worth another 10 points  :-)
Nov 15 10:30:06 <[g2]> yeah I tested it a bunch :)
Nov 15 10:30:19 <[g2]> it's a group effort though 
Nov 15 10:30:56 <likewise> [g2]: Yes, I know, I wish I could have joined along in the process. I cannot get a decent job done these days, next meeting in one hour...
Nov 15 10:31:50 <[g2]> I dunno what happened to the squash patch
Nov 15 10:32:16 <likewise> [g2]: I am currently looking at the Freescale PowerPC MPC834x {x=3,7} processor as a follow-up to the IXP4xx btw. 
Nov 15 10:32:44 <likewise> [g2]: no problem, I introduced the squashfs/lzma patch, will have it in again (at least locally), but I'll make it ready for upstream again.
Nov 15 10:33:48 <[g2]> lots of good CPUs out there
Nov 15 10:35:29 <[g2]> likewise the Avila/Loft pulls the micocode out of RedBoot btw
Nov 15 10:36:36 <[g2]> the big changes between .18 and .19-rc5 were splitting out the that platform and the switch to the libata support for the CF/IDE
Nov 15 10:36:45 <[g2]> ~praise dwery
Nov 15 10:36:55 <jbot> All hail dwery!
Nov 15 10:37:25 <dwery> :-D
Nov 15 10:37:27 <dyoung> All hail dwery!
Nov 15 10:38:44 * [g2] group hugs dwery and dyoung 
Nov 15 10:39:10 * likewise ignites the fireworks
Nov 15 10:39:37 <[g2]> party seen 'round the world
Nov 15 10:39:56 <dyoung> I was gonna ask dwery to sign off on this serial board patch I just sent off; but I kinda got distracted and just sent it.
Nov 15 10:40:03 <dwery> np
Nov 15 10:40:18 <dyoung> when it comeso back I'll ask. ;-)
Nov 15 10:40:36 <[g2]> hey dyoung whatcha playing with ?
Nov 15 10:40:47 <dyoung> that was for the Digi Neo
Nov 15 10:40:58 <dyoung> They hard coded it for 2 port boards only.
Nov 15 10:41:18 <dyoung> so I added the stuff to make it work for any availible neo.
Nov 15 10:42:06 <[g2]> dyoung you know lennert did VHDL for serial drivers on the S3 right ?
Nov 15 10:42:50 <dyoung> Yes, he showed those off to me.
Nov 15 10:42:54 <dyoung> that was c00l
Nov 15 10:43:23 <dyoung> these little neo's are existing equipment and its a bit hard to do hardware changeouts since they are shipborne.
Nov 15 10:43:34 <[g2]> nod
Nov 15 10:44:26 <dyoung> hehe the S3 made it back to the top of the pile
Nov 15 10:57:01 <likewise> Neo S3? Is that a Spartan 3 device you guys are bloating about? :-)
Nov 15 10:57:36 <dyoung> Neo is a multiport serial adapter from Digi.
Nov 15 10:57:48 <dyoung> but yes, the S3 is a spartan-3 dev board
Nov 15 10:57:56 <dyoung> Its a cute little board
Nov 15 10:58:06 <dyoung> and Lennert wrote pong for it. :-)
Nov 15 11:00:26 <likewise> dyoung: I *almost* wrote pong for the Analog Devices Blackfin (DSP) board, when I got distracted and ported "cairo"(graphics.org) to it.
Nov 15 11:05:33 <dyoung> drat, I cant get to graphics.org
Nov 15 11:05:43 <dyoung> Pong is always fun.
Nov 15 11:09:55 <[g2]> likewise are you familiar with the OSD at all ?
Nov 15 11:10:26 <likewise> dyoung: cairographics.org
Nov 15 11:10:37 <likewise> dyoung: osd of what device?
Nov 15 11:11:17 <[g2]> http://www.neurosaudio.com/osd/osd.asp
Nov 15 11:13:51 <likewise> [g2]: no, I don't have any neuros device. What's in there?
Nov 15 11:14:03 <[g2]> TI OMAP
Nov 15 11:14:26 <likewise> [g2]: I thought of On Screen Display when you said OSD first, confusing.
Nov 15 11:14:32 <likewise> :-)
Nov 15 11:14:36 <[g2]> nod, I figured that :)
Nov 15 11:14:59 <likewise> [g2]: because actually, I am using the IXP4xx to generate OSD graphics :-)
Nov 15 11:17:34 <[g2]> The Neuros OSD is a nice platform, but the codecs are all closed
Nov 15 11:19:51 <likewise> [g2]: TI
Nov 15 11:20:03 <likewise> [g2]: same with their DaVinci platform (ARM+DSP)
Nov 15 11:20:35 <likewise> [g2]: Have a dev board for the DaVinci. Is loaded with custom codecs and Montavista Linux...
Nov 15 11:22:06 <[g2]> They'll move to DaVinci for the hi-def product
Nov 15 11:22:28 <[g2]> Ingenient did the BSP and has all the closed codecs
Nov 15 11:22:51 <[g2]> but the rest of the ARM side (ARM926-EJS) is fully open
Nov 15 11:35:00 <likewise> [g2]: i'm very curious how they are solving the hdtv, as the davinci video backend cannot do 1080i afaik
Nov 15 11:35:50 <[g2]> likewise it's a future product, the OSD currently support only 720x480
Nov 15 11:36:07 <likewise> [g2]: a future davinci dsp also?
Nov 15 11:36:26 <[g2]> the davinci family
Nov 15 11:36:36 <[g2]> they've been using TI in the products for a while
Nov 15 11:36:43 <[g2]> from what I can tell
Nov 15 12:18:29 <lazy_marmot> good day everyone. I build ucslucg le image 3.10, which works, but I couln't compile couple of programs which I need with cross. Is there simple way to user qemu to build native toolchain ?
Nov 15 12:35:08 <unverbraucht> hello
Nov 15 12:35:28 <unverbraucht> i have issues with natively debugging a threaded application
Nov 15 12:36:02 <unverbraucht> always getting a SIGKILL instead of a backtrace :(
Nov 15 12:37:02 <unverbraucht> developing on stock openslug 3.10 beta
Nov 15 12:38:10 <unverbraucht> is this the right place to discuss something like that?
Nov 15 12:42:30 <NAiL> #openslug actually, but I think most of the people there are here too ;)
Nov 15 13:03:38 <unverbraucht> alright :)
Nov 15 13:03:43 <unverbraucht> thanks
Nov 15 14:31:41 <unverbraucht> bye
Nov 15 14:40:02 <HopsNBarley> mornin' all.  any ideas why most of my boot output after init goes away after a turnup?  /dev is exactly the same in the flash and disk environments.
Nov 15 15:13:10 <HopsNBarley> whew.  it was a /dev thing - i hadn't mount --move'd /initrd/dev to the new root.
Nov 15 16:37:26 <likewise> hi guys
Nov 15 16:39:46 <HopsNBarley> morning likewise
Nov 15 16:41:27 <likewise> morning
Nov 15 16:42:39 <HopsNBarley> i feel certain this flash will be the good one  (-;
Nov 15 16:43:16 <likewise> HopsNBarley: flashing my IXDP425 as we speak... :-)
Nov 15 16:45:35 <HopsNBarley> close... 
Nov 15 18:40:22 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4487 10optware/trunk/scripts/optware-check-package.pl: all OPTWARE_TARGET's can be checked
Nov 15 18:48:56 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4488 10optware/trunk/make/bind.mk: bind: 9.3.1 -> 9.3.2
Nov 15 19:08:56 <CIA-5> 03gda * r4489 10optware/trunk/make/clearsilver.mk: clearsilver: 0.10.4
Nov 15 19:28:29 <rwhitby-treo> morning
Nov 15 19:29:08 <rwhitby-treo> anyone tried slugos head yet?
Nov 15 19:31:16 <HopsNBarley> morning rwhitby-treo - real happy bday today?
Nov 15 19:31:37 <rwhitby-treo> two days ago here :-)
Nov 15 19:31:46 <rwhitby-treo> it was goodm
Nov 15 19:31:52 <rwhitby-treo> good, thanks.
Nov 15 19:32:35 <HopsNBarley> that date line thing always messed me up.  (-;
Nov 15 21:41:42 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4490 10optware/trunk/make/clearsilver.mk: clearsilver: strip the right set of files
Nov 15 22:05:08 <Szafran> morning
Nov 15 23:34:18 <meklort> hi all
Nov 15 23:35:23 <meklort> I just tried openslug 4.1 beta and watched it boot up. when it was attempting to get a lease for dhcp it always failed, however the dhcp server did respond and even sent it an ip, any thoughts?
Nov 15 23:35:58 <rwhitby> meklort: dunno - we've put some ip-related modules into the kernel now, and haven't tested a lot of it.
Nov 15 23:36:01 <rwhitby> Searching for RedBoot partition table in IXP4XX-Flash.0 at offset 0x7e0000
Nov 15 23:36:02 <rwhitby> RedBoot directory 0x507e0000(0x20000) swapped
Nov 15 23:36:02 <rwhitby> 6 RedBoot partitions found on MTD device IXP4XX-Flash.0
Nov 15 23:36:02 <rwhitby> Creating 6 MTD partitions on "IXP4XX-Flash.0":
Nov 15 23:36:02 <rwhitby> 0x00000000-0x00040000 : "RedBoot"
Nov 15 23:36:03 <rwhitby> nslu2 mac: 00:04:5a:0f:b2:c6
Nov 15 23:36:05 <rwhitby> 0x00040000-0x00060000 : "SysConf"
Nov 15 23:36:07 <rwhitby> 0x00060000-0x00080000 : "Loader"
Nov 15 23:36:10 <rwhitby> 0x00080000-0x001c0000 : "Kernel"
Nov 15 23:36:12 <rwhitby> 0x001c0000-0x007e0000 : "Flashdisk"
Nov 15 23:36:14 <rwhitby> 0x007e0000-0x00800000 : "FIS directory"
Nov 15 23:36:16 <rwhitby> npe: searching for firmware...
Nov 15 23:36:18 <rwhitby> npe: found at 0x10010, IXP425/NPE-B func: 00, rev: 2.1, size: 11964, id: 01000201
Nov 15 23:36:19 <rwhitby> npe: firmware loaded to NPE-B, func: 00, rev: 2.1, status: 80c00000, crc: 875e
Nov 15 23:36:24 <rwhitby> SlugOS 4.1 now works LE too (after the next apex package commit)
Nov 15 23:37:04 <meklort> ok
Nov 15 23:37:07 <rwhitby> meklort: I know that it boots static IP
Nov 15 23:37:41 <meklort> well, im connected over serial so i dont mind, I just noticed that it didnt get a lease even after the server responded
Nov 15 23:38:32 <rwhitby> it could easily be a bug in the new open source ixp network driver
Nov 15 23:38:54 <meklort> yup
Nov 16 02:04:12 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4491 10optware/trunk/make/git-core.mk: git: upstream upgrade to 1.4.4
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