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Nov 27 06:09:51 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * r4557 10optware/trunk/make/webmin.mk: webmin: initial version, work in progress
Nov 27 06:43:41 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * r4558 10optware/trunk/make/webmin.mk: webmin: s/libexec/share/g
Nov 27 08:49:52 <mlp> Are there any docs anywhere on building new kernel modules, or new packages that depend on kernel sources, for the slug?
Nov 27 09:07:55 <NAiL> I'd guess there's stuff on the wiki
Nov 27 09:09:06 <mlp> I'm coming up empty on both nslu2-linux.org and openembedded.org.
Nov 27 09:10:50 <rwhitby> mlp: are you prepared to write the wiki page when you get the answers?  Cause everyone else before you has failed to do so :-)
Nov 27 09:11:18 <mlp> I'd be glad to, just to help out the next poor bastard in my shoes :)
Nov 27 09:11:48 <rwhitby> ok, do you have an openembedded build from the Master Makefile working?
Nov 27 09:12:11 <rwhitby> (oh, which firmware are you referring to?)
Nov 27 09:13:13 <mlp> I'm building one as we speak, and watching the scroll has been helpful so far. Right now it's doing make openslug-image.
Nov 27 09:13:21 <rwhitby> to enable new kernel modules, we edit the defconfig in the nslu2-linux svn kernel repo (trac.nslu2-linux.org)
Nov 27 09:13:30 <rwhitby> the openembedded build grabs that automatically
Nov 27 09:13:44 <NAiL> rwhitby: um, does oe grab the defconfig too? I thought that wasn't the case...
Nov 27 09:14:15 <rwhitby> hmm - I forget.
Nov 27 09:15:01 <rwhitby> yes it does
Nov 27 09:15:06 <NAiL> oh, ok
Nov 27 09:15:07 <rwhitby> (from 2.6.19 onwards)
Nov 27 09:15:17 <rwhitby> we might change that at some stage
Nov 27 09:15:33 <rwhitby> bbiab (NAiL can help you)
Nov 27 09:15:40 <NAiL> mlp: Which version are you building? (Ie, building from tarball, svn repo (3.10) or monotone (head))
Nov 27 09:15:40 <mlp> Danke.
Nov 27 09:15:50 <mlp> Tarball.
Nov 27 09:15:59 <NAiL> ok, then you're building 3.10
Nov 27 09:16:28 <NAiL> the defconfig used is in openembedded/packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel/ IIRC
Nov 27 09:16:38 <NAiL> (In a subdir that refers to the version)
Nov 27 09:17:07 <mlp> Aha, there it is.
Nov 27 09:17:13 <mlp> (building 2.6.16 atm)
Nov 27 09:17:19 <NAiL> yeah
Nov 27 09:17:32 <NAiL> now, after changing it, you need to rebuild the kernel
Nov 27 09:18:14 <NAiL> "bb -cclean ixp4xx-kernel", then make openslug-image again
Nov 27 09:19:19 <rwhitby> NAiL: perhaps better to build the beta release from the master makefile target
Nov 27 09:19:56 <NAiL> rwhitby: well, yes. 
Nov 27 09:20:10 <NAiL> I just assumed there was a reason to build from the tarball
Nov 27 09:20:39 <mlp> afk briefly
Nov 27 09:31:29 <likewise> hi all
Nov 27 09:36:37 <mlp> Ok, back.
Nov 27 09:37:37 <mlp> So, if I'm understanding what I'm seeing correctly, editing defconfig and rebuilding will build the module as an .ipk, which can then be installed and modprobed in?
Nov 27 09:38:26 <NAiL> in most cases, that is correct
Nov 27 09:38:36 <mlp> Hell, I'll wikify that now. XD
Nov 27 09:38:49 <NAiL> Ie, it'll build the ipkg. Whether or not it can be modprobed is another matter. 
Nov 27 09:38:55 <NAiL> which module did you enable?
Nov 27 09:39:52 <mlp> That's where it gets hairier. I'm aiming to package ndiswrapper, which builds both a kernel module and some userland stuff.
Nov 27 09:40:04 <NAiL> (only modules that does not require setting anything to =Y will work)
Nov 27 09:40:43 <NAiL> uhm, you are extremely unlikely to get ndiswrapper working
Nov 27 09:41:03 <NAiL> since ndiswrapper uses x86 binary drivers, which won't work on arm
Nov 27 09:47:37 <mlp> I was under the impression that it could be built for non-x86 architectures, though.
Nov 27 09:49:09 <mlp> But I'm certainly willing to listen to the voice of experience. :)
Nov 27 09:50:39 <NAiL> Well, as far as I know, it won't work. 
Nov 27 09:50:51 <NAiL> but don't take my word for gospel
Nov 27 14:19:37 <[g2]> GPSFan ping
Nov 27 14:20:00 <GPSFan> [g2]: morning..
Nov 27 19:34:45 <likewise> hi all
Nov 27 19:34:53 <likewise> NAiL: just ordered me a TS-101.
Nov 27 19:34:55 <NAiL> morning
Nov 27 19:34:58 <NAiL> likewise: cool
Nov 27 19:35:13 <NAiL> have you checked the openturbostation wiki?
Nov 27 19:35:36 <[g2]> TS-101 ?
Nov 27 19:35:38 <likewise> negative
Nov 27 19:35:41 <NAiL> yes
Nov 27 19:35:45 <likewise> QNAP TS-101
Nov 27 19:36:10 <likewise> http://www.turbostation.ch/
Nov 27 19:36:23 <likewise> TS-201 :-)
Nov 27 19:37:02 <NAiL> http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Qnap_Turbostation
Nov 27 19:37:28 <likewise> NAiL: there is *one* problem though... I cannot afford to hack on that box, as its a critical backup unit :-/ Probably end up buying another one.
Nov 27 19:38:05 <NAiL> he
Nov 27 19:38:13 <NAiL> ok
Nov 27 19:38:16 <likewise> there is a mini-pCI socket in there? :-)
Nov 27 19:38:23 <likewise> Here we come, WiFi.
Nov 27 19:38:46 <NAiL> likewise: on some
Nov 27 19:38:53 <NAiL> there are different hardware revs
Nov 27 19:39:17 <likewise> NAiL: hmm, I should have checked with the seller then.
Nov 27 19:39:41 <NAiL> I don't think there's a way except by opening
Nov 27 19:40:21 <[g2]> likewise that's crazy!
Nov 27 19:40:39 <likewise> [g2]: what? 
Nov 27 19:40:46 <[g2]> the turbo station
Nov 27 19:40:55 <likewise> [g2]: what's so crazy about it? :-)
Nov 27 19:41:19 <[g2]> ~change 295 EUR to USD
Nov 27 19:41:24 <jbot> 295.00 Euro (EUR) makes 387.321 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/)
Nov 27 19:42:11 <[g2]> You can probably get a used Intel Mac Mini for that which will blow the doors of it on network performance
Nov 27 19:42:44 <NAiL> bleh
Nov 27 19:42:47 <NAiL> that's Intel
Nov 27 19:42:48 <NAiL> :P
Nov 27 19:43:40 <likewise> [g2]: I just really wanted a single low-power device that runs Gigabit/s, SATA. You are probably right about the cost. But I also want to hack on PowerPC processors.
Nov 27 19:45:04 * NAiL got a TS-101 for free, which is a heck of a lot cheaper than a Mac Mini, used or not ;)
Nov 27 19:45:42 <likewise> NAiL: How's hacking the device going along?
Nov 27 19:54:38 <NAiL> not at all, too busy atm
Nov 27 19:55:16 <[g2]> likewise for PowerPC hacking there's the KillerNic that's got a mpc8347E, gigabit, (USB 2.0) and runs Linux
Nov 27 19:55:20 <[g2]> $250 US
Nov 27 19:57:03 <likewise> [g2]: wicked (grin) :-)
Nov 27 19:57:31 <likewise> [g2]: any idea what the 8347 costs?
Nov 27 19:57:50 <[g2]> nope, but there's a spartan FPGA on the board too :)
Nov 27 19:58:05 <[g2]> you get a busybox prompt and it runs linux
Nov 27 19:58:24 <likewise> [g2]: have looked at it?
Nov 27 19:59:16 <[g2]> likewise it looks interesting
Nov 27 19:59:38 <[g2]> I thought they had an ixp465 onboard, but it turns out to be a freescale
Nov 27 20:01:25 <likewise> [g2]: I am planning to use freescale 834x series processors as well, leaving the ixp4xx.
Nov 27 20:02:35 <[g2]> likewise I've worked on PPCs before 860,603/4
Nov 27 20:04:02 <likewise> [g2]: I think as a dev platform I will be buying the "Rattler" boards.
Nov 27 20:08:37 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * r4559 10optware/trunk/make/nginx.mk: nginx: 0.4.13 -> 0.4.14
Nov 27 20:36:38 <likewise> cu
Nov 27 20:48:04 <dwery> http://www.ifas.htwk-leipzig.de/easytoweb/indexe.php?content=products
Nov 27 21:01:21 <[g2]> dwery hey!
Nov 27 21:01:32 <dwery> [g2]: haoy!
Nov 27 21:02:11 <[g2]> dwery those look fun
Nov 27 21:02:26 <dwery> it seems so
Nov 27 21:45:59 <vmaster_> [g2]: heh, we shared the booth with them at the embedded world this year
Nov 27 21:46:03 <vmaster_> vmaster_: nice people
Nov 27 21:46:22 <vmaster_> ah, not, g2, but dwery
Nov 27 21:47:30 <[g2]> vmaster cool
Nov 27 22:38:52 <NAiL> ~seen blaster8
Nov 27 22:39:01 <jbot> blaster8 <n=blaster8@nslu2-linux/blaster8> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 13d 12h 46m 25s ago, saying: 'morning'.
Nov 27 22:41:11 <NAiL> ooh
Nov 27 22:41:17 <NAiL> easytoweb arm looks nice
Nov 27 22:41:22 <NAiL> should have a couple of those
Nov 27 22:41:27 <NAiL> bit expensive though
Nov 27 22:42:34 <HopsNBarley> hey NAiL.
Nov 27 22:42:41 <HopsNBarley> what's the price on those?
Nov 27 22:43:13 <NAiL> starter kit is 349 EUR ex VAT+shipping
Nov 27 22:43:21 <HopsNBarley> zoiks!
Nov 27 22:43:25 <NAiL> 149 EUR for just the board
Nov 27 22:43:38 <NAiL> w/32mb flash & 64mb ram
Nov 27 22:44:00 <HopsNBarley> stil..
Nov 27 22:44:06 <HopsNBarley> s/stil/still
Nov 27 22:44:11 <vmaster> what I've heard from them is that their main goal isn't selling hardware, but rather hardware + services
Nov 27 22:45:44 <NAiL> well, hopefully I wouldn't need much of their services :-P
Nov 27 22:45:50 * VoodooZ thinks most people suffer of HADD nowadays (Hardware Attention Deficit Disorder)! ;)
Nov 27 22:45:57 <NAiL> hehe
Nov 27 22:46:08 <NAiL> I've got 5 nas devices
Nov 27 22:46:14 <VoodooZ> Nothing gets done as there's always another toys coming down the pipe.
Nov 27 22:46:27 <VoodooZ> Software suffers in the end.
Nov 27 22:46:52 <NAiL> yeah
Nov 27 22:48:59 * NAiL goes to bed
Nov 27 22:49:00 <NAiL> nite all
Nov 27 22:51:21 <VoodooZ> nite
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