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Feb 26 03:00:57 <NAiL> not that I know of yet.
Feb 26 03:01:06 <theblue> Pisscake.
Feb 26 03:01:25 <theblue> So I'm stuck waiting until RC2 comes out in a week, and then someone gets around to adding microcode to it?
Feb 26 03:01:50 <NAiL> If you want to run proper debian, yes. 
Feb 26 03:02:07 <NAiL> It's broken, and people don't have time quite yet
Feb 26 03:02:26 <NAiL> (IIRC the guy doing the d-i releases is busy with other projects for a while)
Feb 26 03:02:43 <theblue> Very pisscake.
Feb 26 03:03:09 <theblue> What happens if I use the RC1 installer?
Feb 26 03:03:51 <NAiL> You will only get network with a supported USB network adapter
Feb 26 03:04:13 <theblue> I mean the unofficial RC1 installer.
Feb 26 03:04:17 <theblue> As found on....
Feb 26 03:04:28 <theblue> Hang on, let me find it.
Feb 26 03:05:04 <theblue> http://www.slug-firmware.net/
Feb 26 03:05:22 <theblue> The Debian installer on there includes the microcode, but I don't think APT has the right key.
Feb 26 03:06:10 <NAiL> That installer will probably refuse to work then
Feb 26 03:07:09 <theblue> And it'd drop me to a bash shell?
Feb 26 03:07:25 <theblue> One, possibly, where I could follow the instructions of <dpkg> and...
Feb 26 03:07:25 <theblue> <dpkg> For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters.  you can then use "apt-key" to install it.
Feb 26 03:07:51 <NAiL> It's possible that it'll work. I dunno.
Feb 26 03:08:10 <theblue> Well, would I still be able to reflash it if all fails?
Feb 26 03:12:41 <NAiL> sure, if you can use upslug2, no problem
Feb 26 03:12:52 <theblue> Worth a try?
Feb 26 03:13:21 <NAiL> If you really can't wait, why not.
Feb 26 03:19:03 <joshin> Thanks [g2].  Guess I should place an order for serial port and JTAG hardware...
Feb 26 03:21:51 <theblue> Could I set the TERM variable in a second SSH window, and then restart the installer in the first?
Feb 26 03:21:58 <[g2]> joshin is the RAM already upgraded ?
Feb 26 03:22:16 <theblue> And in the 2nd window, install the new key?
Feb 26 03:23:07 <joshin> Not yet.
Feb 26 03:23:12 <[g2]> joshin you might be able to tweak the memory controller values from Redboot or possibly APEX
Feb 26 03:24:03 <[g2]> joshin you know the NAS200's are due in the next couple months right ?
Feb 26 03:24:27 <joshin> Yes. Which is why for $5 is it probably worth risking one of my Slugs.  :)
Feb 26 03:25:12 <[g2]> dunno where the $5 comes from
Feb 26 03:25:27 <joshin> The price of the RAM chips
Feb 26 03:25:37 <[g2]> it's the soldering time :)
Feb 26 03:25:44 <theblue> Groovy.
Feb 26 03:26:46 <joshin> I need the practice actually.  If I can handle upgrading my slug, I can probably handle building a K2 amateur radio transceiver kit (which may be my birthday present to myself).
Feb 26 03:27:48 <[g2]> well that's time/money well spent
Feb 26 03:28:11 <joshin> Hobbies rarely have a good time/money ratio.
Feb 26 03:28:24 <[g2]> heh... it's good for the soul
Feb 26 03:28:28 <[g2]> and brain
Feb 26 03:28:32 <joshin> And certainly not a high wife-approval/money ratio
Feb 26 03:30:13 <theblue> joshin, You're a ham?
Feb 26 03:30:23 <joshin> Yep.
Feb 26 03:30:31 <theblue> What's your call?
Feb 26 03:30:39 <joshin> KD7SPQ, you?
Feb 26 03:30:45 <theblue> KB3NNJ, I think we did this already.
Feb 26 03:30:51 <joshin> theblue: there is a #hamradio here
Feb 26 03:30:56 <theblue> I'm familiar with it.
Feb 26 03:31:05 <theblue> Ah, yes, we've talked.
Feb 26 03:31:13 <joshin> Yup.
Feb 26 03:31:16 <theblue> Meh.
Feb 26 03:31:29 <theblue> That's what happens without caffiene.
Feb 26 03:31:33 <joshin> :)
Feb 26 03:36:02 <jason0_> Is there anyway I can easily downgrade/upgrade my debian etch kernel (currently running 2.6-18-3)?
Feb 26 03:40:00 <[g2]> jason0_ I think the big issue is the GPL driver versions in the kernel
Feb 26 03:40:37 <[g2]> so unless you've got serial, it might be an issue for certain versions
Feb 26 03:40:42 <jason0_> [g2]: so until an official firmware gets released I'm out of luck unless I build one myself with the proprietary drivers?
Feb 26 03:41:17 <[g2]> jason0_ you need to build the firmware to run with the open drivers
Feb 26 03:41:43 <[g2]> build is probably an over-statement
Feb 26 03:42:04 <[g2]> I forget whether it's an extract or simple compile
Feb 26 03:42:14 <jason0_> You're talking about the NPE driver?
Feb 26 03:42:25 <[g2]> jason0_ no I'm talking about the NPE firmware
Feb 26 03:42:39 <[g2]> the code executed by the NPEs
Feb 26 03:43:09 <[g2]> I think the latest GPL version is 0.3.1 which is backported in some cases to 2.6.18
Feb 26 03:43:34 <[g2]> dunno if it's in the debian release or not, but I'm pretty sure it's in the nslu2-linux kernel repo
Feb 26 03:43:56 <[g2]> maybe not fully for the nslu2, but 99.9% of it's there
Feb 26 03:44:25 <jason0_> Couldn't I just follow these instructions: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/BuildImage
Feb 26 03:59:34 <CIA-6> 03steveb * r5634 10optware/trunk/make/ftpd-topfield.mk: ftpd-topfield - New version 0.7.1
Feb 26 04:27:57 <joshin> Does Apex need to be built with GCC3 or can it be built with 4.1.2?  (I'm just testing and poking before installing anything)
Feb 26 04:30:08 <rwhitby> joshin: apex is built inside OE with the gcc that OE builds for slugos
Feb 26 04:30:19 <[g2]> rwhitby beat me to it :)
Feb 26 04:31:06 <joshin> rwhitby: I understand that.  I'm just planning for the eventuality that my slug hates me and will require me to install it as the primary bootloader when I upgrade it to 64MB.
Feb 26 04:31:52 <rwhitby> the fact that you need to install a new bootloader for fatslugs has nothing to do with whether your slug likes you or not.  it's a simple fact of life.
Feb 26 04:32:35 <rwhitby> if you're game enough to solder 40+ SMD pins on the ram chips, I doubt that 5 easy jtag solders will be daunting ...
Feb 26 04:32:59 <joshin> Nope.  Building the JTAG interface isn't much trouble at all.  
Feb 26 04:33:42 <joshin> Since I have a pair of slugs, I'll just put headers where necessar on both for jtag and serial.
Feb 26 04:46:22 <joshin> Night all!
Feb 26 04:46:44 <[g2]> night
Feb 26 05:10:39 <CIA-6> 03rwhitby * r5635 10optware/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Enabled mct_u32 serial module, and bluetooth usb modules.
Feb 26 05:19:53 <jason0__> Anyone here built the arm cross compile enn?
Feb 26 05:20:33 <jason0__> *env
Feb 26 05:24:44 <CIA-6> 03rwhitby * r5636 10optware/trunk/make/fsg3-kernel-modules.mk: More fsg3 kernel modules
Feb 26 05:25:21 <rwhitby> jason0__: OE builds it for you.  Are you using the Master Makefile?
Feb 26 05:26:37 <jason0__> rwhitby: I'm trying to use the makefile that builds it on the nslu2-linux site, in fact I think you wrote it ;p
Feb 26 05:27:05 <rwhitby> which makefile?
Feb 26 05:27:15 <jason0__> Under debian/buildImage
Feb 26 05:27:29 <rwhitby> ah, that one.  haven't used that one for a while
Feb 26 05:27:32 <jason0__> ah
Feb 26 05:27:34 <jason0__> okay
Feb 26 05:27:38 <jason0__> I need a different one?
Feb 26 05:27:46 <rwhitby> what do you need it for?
Feb 26 05:28:00 <rwhitby> (unless you're trying to recreate a debian build?)
Feb 26 05:28:14 <jason0__> I'm trying to make a new kernel image 
Feb 26 05:28:42 <rwhitby> for what?  unslung, slugos, debian, openwrt?
Feb 26 05:28:47 <jason0__> 2.6.18-3 has an error with rtorrent & safe_sync, 
Feb 26 05:28:50 <jason0__> debian
Feb 26 05:29:05 <jason0__> I'm running debian etch right now
Feb 26 05:29:09 <rwhitby> ah, you want to talk to tbm in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net then.  He does those.
Feb 26 05:29:38 <jason0__> Is there a different makefile I can use though?
Feb 26 05:29:44 <rwhitby> or in #debian-boot
Feb 26 05:29:48 <jason0__> Thanks
Feb 26 05:34:44 <jason0__> Could I just grab the new image from: http://people.debian.org/~kmuto/d-i/images/daily/ and include the npe code on the slug (so I wouldn't have to worry about cross compiling)
Feb 26 05:37:08 <rwhitby> probably
Feb 26 05:39:00 <CIA-6> 03rwhitby * r5637 10optware/trunk/make/fsg3-kernel-modules.mk: Realised that for bluetooth, some support needs to be compiled into the kernel, so just creating modules doesn't work.
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Feb 26 13:50:46 <joshin1> Hmmm, it looks like I could just tie the TTL serial ports directly together between 2 slugs and not have to deal with building another TTL interface.  
Feb 26 13:53:07 <NAiL> heh
Feb 26 13:53:11 <NAiL> neat solution ;)
Feb 26 13:56:05 <joshin1> Thanks.  Now I need to make sure the physics works.  :)  
Feb 26 14:41:55 <VoodooZ> can somebody checkin an updated .bb file for me?
Feb 26 14:42:17 <VoodooZ> It's a new release of the zd1211 wlan driver which fixes problems introduced with 2.6.20.
Feb 26 14:42:22 <VoodooZ> It works great.
Feb 26 14:42:46 <NAiL> zd1211, not zd1211rw+
Feb 26 14:42:47 <VoodooZ> I know there's a rewrite (zd1211rw) in the kernel but it's far from complete.
Feb 26 14:42:50 <NAiL> aha, ok
Feb 26 14:42:51 <VoodooZ> yep
Feb 26 14:42:55 <NAiL> sure, gimme
Feb 26 14:43:02 <VoodooZ> want me to email it or?
Feb 26 14:43:13 <VoodooZ> It's really just a renamed copy of the r83 one
Feb 26 14:43:18 <NAiL> ok, which rev?
Feb 26 14:43:39 <VoodooZ> just copy zd1211_r83.bb to zd1211_r85.bb and it should work.
Feb 26 14:44:30 * VoodooZ kneels before [g2]
Feb 26 14:44:38 <NAiL> VoodooZ: thx
Feb 26 14:44:40 <[g2]> LOL
Feb 26 14:44:47 <VoodooZ> how's the man? 
Feb 26 14:44:55 <VoodooZ> we don't see you much.
Feb 26 14:44:59 <[g2]> laughing now :)
Feb 26 14:45:05 <VoodooZ> hehe
Feb 26 14:45:19 <[g2]> I've been playing in video/audio land
Feb 26 14:45:20 <VoodooZ> NAiL: thanks for the checkin.
Feb 26 14:45:29 <VoodooZ> [g2]: like whaht?
Feb 26 14:45:51 <[g2]> flac/mp3 streaming mpeg-2 HD and non-HD
Feb 26 14:45:51 * VoodooZ listens attentively
Feb 26 14:46:20 <VoodooZ> on a PC or the loft?
Feb 26 14:46:21 <[g2]> playback / storage / editing the whole 9 yards
Feb 26 14:46:26 <VoodooZ> nice
Feb 26 14:47:01 <[g2]> I've been playing with some capture devices, most in the PC, but my faviorite is a stand-alone device
Feb 26 14:47:07 <[g2]> hdhomerun
Feb 26 14:47:28 <[g2]> OTA / Cable (un-encrypted) in and Ethernet out
Feb 26 14:47:55 <VoodooZ> sweet
Feb 26 14:48:19 <[g2]> http://www.silicondust.com/
Feb 26 14:48:22 <[g2]> it's $170
Feb 26 14:48:28 <VoodooZ> cool URL too!
Feb 26 14:49:15 <VoodooZ> I can't wait to buy a house so I can get an HDTV. There's only 2-4 OTA stations from here but still pretty cooll
Feb 26 14:49:59 <[g2]> many cable providers have signals on cable
Feb 26 14:50:55 <VoodooZ> but the problem with cable/sat based HD is that there's lots of compression loss I heard as opposed to OTA
Feb 26 14:50:55 <[g2]> http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm
Feb 26 14:51:25 <[g2]> you can see the bit rates on the signals
Feb 26 14:52:58 <[g2]> I've been streaming/serving up files over my own gigE network
Feb 26 14:53:16 <[g2]> VoodooZ how's the robot stutt ?
Feb 26 14:53:19 <[g2]> stuff
Feb 26 15:00:39 <VoodooZ> [g2]: nah. I've been slacking off way too much lately. no motivation.
Feb 26 15:00:58 <VoodooZ> although I started playing with the slug stuff more lately which motivated me a bit
Feb 26 15:01:17 <[g2]> cool. you following openmoko at all ?
Feb 26 15:01:29 <VoodooZ> nothing makes you feel more alive than Successfully flashing the latest Apex without a JTAG cable! :)
Feb 26 15:01:47 <VoodooZ> not really, is this the one running imx31?
Feb 26 15:01:58 <[g2]> :)
Feb 26 15:02:20 * [g2] felt alive about 50+ times, then really dead once :)
Feb 26 15:03:23 <[g2]> the box had broken JTAG from a previous solder attempt and there was a bug in APEX (this was like a year+ ago)
Feb 26 15:05:19 <VoodooZ> ouch.
Feb 26 15:05:38 <VoodooZ> the latest version had FIS driver so I couldn't resist. 
Feb 26 15:05:59 <VoodooZ> now I have to get opencv installed to see how slow the slug really is.
Feb 26 17:30:01 <siegfried__> I'm trying to follow http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter and /opt/lib/cups/backend/usb does not output anything! Can someone help me?
Feb 26 17:51:29 <siegfried__> Hello?
Feb 26 21:15:46 <hillct> the libcap package included in 3.10-beta appears broken. Problems with capability.h. http://www.pastebin.ca/373606
Feb 26 21:16:12 <hillct> can someone else try and build it and let me know if it's just my enviroment that's hosed or the package?
Feb 26 21:20:11 <hillct> seems to build OK for HEAD, just not the release
Feb 26 22:28:28 <CoreDump|home> re
Feb 26 22:29:40 <rwhitby> hey CoreDump|home 
Feb 26 22:30:06 <CoreDump|home> yo rwhitby
Feb 26 22:45:03 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5638 10optware/trunk/make/noip.mk: noip: 2.1.3 -> 2.1.4
Feb 26 22:56:05 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5639 10optware/trunk/make/noip.mk: noip: NOIP_SOURCE no longer needs to be newer than make/noip.mk
Feb 26 22:58:46 <CoreDump|home> rwhitby: yay for your OM svn access =)
Feb 26 22:59:45 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: I don't have OM svn access, I'm just sending my own CIA commit logs to their channel (with their permission)
Feb 26 23:00:04 <CoreDump|home> rwhitby: oh, LOL
Feb 26 23:01:49 <CoreDump|home> looks good anyway heh
Feb 26 23:06:12 <rwhitby> heh :-)
Feb 26 23:06:38 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: image is everything ;-)
Feb 26 23:06:51 <CoreDump|home> =D indeed
Feb 26 23:13:03 <HopsNBarley> so, what's the right thing to say for "vendor" and "machine" in "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ??
Feb 26 23:13:58 <HopsNBarley> for the Qnap TS-201, should the vendor be Qnap, motorola, or freescale?
Feb 26 23:14:19 <rwhitby> hillct: dunni
Feb 26 23:14:46 <HopsNBarley> should the machine be TS-201, or MPC82xx ?  both have analogs in /etc/default/functions.
Feb 26 23:14:52 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: machine is the ts101 board, right?  not the chip.
Feb 26 23:15:00 <rwhitby> ts201
Feb 26 23:15:53 <HopsNBarley> vendor == qnap?  i guess we should be specific as possible, and let other higher layers sort it out.
Feb 26 23:17:06 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: what is MACH_TYPE ?
Feb 26 23:17:34 <rwhitby> that will tell you what to put in there.
Feb 26 23:19:29 <HopsNBarley> at the risk of sounding like an idiot, where is MACH_TYPE?
Feb 26 23:20:39 <[g2]> HopsNBarley it's what the bootload passes to the Linux kernel
Feb 26 23:22:42 <NAiL> this is ppc
Feb 26 23:23:16 <HopsNBarley> yeah, i don't see anything like that in u-boot.
Feb 26 23:23:22 <rwhitby> oh, right.  sorry. :-)
Feb 26 23:23:39 <rwhitby> I assumed you were talking about arm devices in the #nslu2-linux channel ;-)
Feb 26 23:23:43 <theblue> I found a way to apply the new key to Debian, but I don't know how to use it in a new NSLU2 isntall.
Feb 26 23:27:29 * CoreDump|home continues hacking on his logparser
Feb 26 23:28:01 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: tell me about this logparser ...
Feb 26 23:28:45 <CoreDump|home> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23nslu2-linux.livelog
Feb 26 23:29:13 * CoreDump|home is working on a basic search "engine"
Feb 26 23:32:33 <NAiL> searchable logs would be very nice
Feb 26 23:34:15 <CoreDump|home> NAiL: http://hentges.net/cgi-bin/searchlogs.cgi?search=NAil&groups=%23nslu2-linux
Feb 26 23:34:35 <CoreDump|home> no propper frontend for search entries yet
Feb 26 23:34:41 <hillct> (18:48:51)  rwhitby:  hillct: dunni
Feb 26 23:34:58 <hillct> rwhitby: does that mean it worked for you?
Feb 26 23:36:53 <rwhitby> hillct: haven't built that one for a looong time
Feb 26 23:38:39 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: nice
Feb 26 23:39:17 <CoreDump|home> thanks
Feb 27 02:18:31 <jason0_> Anyone here built a 2.6.18-4 image with npe?
Feb 27 02:29:55 <joshin> Not for a while.  I've been running SlugOS head (currently 2.6.20)   
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