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Feb 27 03:05:01 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5640 10optware/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): postgresql: depends coreutils & uses coreutils-su explicitly
Feb 27 03:05:44 <theblue> Oy vey.
Feb 27 03:05:57 <theblue> Anyone know if the Linksys USB100TX USB/Ethernet adapter is supported?
Feb 27 03:07:48 <cbpage> probably but linksys changes chip vendors so much it might depend on the version
Feb 27 03:07:50 <theblue> Version 1, this thing is ANCIENT.
Feb 27 03:07:55 <theblue> Like, pre-Cisco.
Feb 27 03:08:08 <cbpage> i got wusb11's(?) from woot and they were the third chip supplier they used - and they suckified it twice and this one has no native linux support
Feb 27 03:08:29 <theblue> Damn.
Feb 27 03:08:44 <cbpage> yeah 
Feb 27 03:08:44 <cbpage> i think it went prism, atmel, crap
Feb 27 03:08:44 <theblue> You know what happens if I use the unofficial Debian installer (RC1) with the wrong key?
Feb 27 03:09:06 <theblue> Heh.
Feb 27 03:09:06 <cbpage> it won't work
Feb 27 03:09:06 <theblue> How so?
Feb 27 03:09:06 <theblue> It'll drop me to a bash prompt?
Feb 27 03:09:06 <theblue> Or it'll just refuse to load the installer?
Feb 27 03:09:06 <theblue> Or it won't even start sshd?
Feb 27 03:09:06 <cbpage> it'll freeze up at 5% because it can't prompt you to install without the right key
Feb 27 03:09:15 <cbpage> at least the official rc1 does that ;)
Feb 27 03:09:21 <theblue> Ah, I'm talking about unofficial.
Feb 27 03:09:25 <cbpage> i dunno then
Feb 27 03:09:34 <theblue> Well, is there a way to get to a bash prompt ever?
Feb 27 03:09:40 <cbpage> yeah
Feb 27 03:09:43 <cbpage> there should be
Feb 27 03:09:48 <theblue> Or is it the very first "loading the installer...." that freezes up?
Feb 27 03:09:51 <cbpage> i haven't tried an unofficial installer
Feb 27 03:10:00 <theblue> No, it's the official installer
Feb 27 03:10:04 <theblue> .
Feb 27 03:10:04 <mwester> I would imagine the serial console would get the bash prompt, no?
Feb 27 03:10:04 <cbpage> what i talked about is part of the actual installation
Feb 27 03:10:05 <theblue> Just includes the microcode.
Feb 27 03:10:11 <theblue> cbpage, Ah, it should be fine then.
Feb 27 03:10:15 <cbpage> ok
Feb 27 03:10:42 <theblue> Well, if I reboot the slug twice, it'll go into the install both times, won't it?
Feb 27 03:11:33 <theblue> Or better yet.
Feb 27 03:11:37 <theblue> Oh, nevermind.
Feb 27 03:11:44 <theblue> Beta2 doesn't work at all, does it?
Feb 27 03:13:37 <theblue> cbpage, Here's what dpkg says about the new key, you think I could find a way to do this?:
Feb 27 03:13:37 <theblue> dpkg> For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters.  you can then use "apt-key" to install it.
Feb 27 03:14:42 <theblue> Hmmm.
Feb 27 03:15:24 <cbpage> ah cool
Feb 27 03:15:32 <cbpage> yeah you can get to a shell
Feb 27 03:15:54 <cbpage> ... at least in a regular pc - you need to back out to the manual menu and ask for a shell on a slug i think
Feb 27 03:16:03 <theblue> That's no problem.
Feb 27 03:16:13 <mwester> theblue: have you checked on the debian arm IRC channel -- it seems to me that your question is more specific to the the debian installer than it is to the NSLU2; maybe they can help?
Feb 27 03:16:33 <theblue> mwester, Not much help in there, I think I've tried before.
Feb 27 03:16:57 <theblue> Well, I'm reflashing my slug now, let's cross our fingers...
Feb 27 03:17:05 <theblue> There we go.
Feb 27 03:17:11 * theblue waits for it to boot.
Feb 27 03:19:44 <theblue> Crap.
Feb 27 03:19:54 <theblue> Now it always says "connection refused" whenever I try to SSH in.
Feb 27 03:20:18 <theblue> Should I be waiting for any certain LED colors?
Feb 27 03:20:51 <theblue> there's 3 beeps.
Feb 27 03:21:10 <theblue> THERE WE GO!
Feb 27 03:21:17 <theblue> Beauty!
Feb 27 03:21:33 <theblue> Pisscake.
Feb 27 03:23:12 <joshin> theblue: Do you only have the one slug?
Feb 27 03:23:31 <theblue> joshin, Yes.
Feb 27 03:23:44 <joshin> Just trying to figure out how to get you a console.
Feb 27 03:23:52 <theblue> Oh, I found it.
Feb 27 03:24:05 <theblue> When you get to the installer, it gives you an option to choose the shell.
Feb 27 03:24:07 <theblue> Lovely.
Feb 27 03:24:20 <theblue> The problem is, it doesn't give me apt-key or gpg.
Feb 27 03:24:48 <joshin> I realized this morning that in theory one could connect two TTL serial ports together to get an easy console without having to build a max232 board.
Feb 27 03:25:07 <theblue> Nice.
Feb 27 03:30:03 <theblue> Here we go.
Feb 27 03:30:09 <theblue> It's retreiving the installer pieces nicely.
Feb 27 03:33:33 <theblue> And it's seeming to let me partition.
Feb 27 03:33:44 <theblue> It's detecting the HDD I've attached to it.
Feb 27 03:34:47 <joshin> I should see if there's any shop nearby that can do the soldering for me on one of my slugs so that I know that I can have one with 256MB...  Then I can mess the other one up by trying myself.  
Feb 27 03:39:13 <theblue> Ok, hell with this.
Feb 27 03:39:24 <theblue> cbpage, Where's the daily snapshot, I'll use the USB-ethernet adapter.
Feb 27 03:44:05 <theblue> mithro, Hi.
Feb 27 03:44:15 <theblue> mithro, You know where the daily snapshot for Debian-NSLU2 is?
Feb 27 03:44:23 <mithro> theblue: nope
Feb 27 03:44:31 <theblue> Damn!
Feb 27 04:17:52 * theblue has an idea!
Feb 27 04:18:13 <theblue> No, nevermind.
Feb 27 04:27:05 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5641 10optware/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added libnet10
Feb 27 04:27:52 <theblue> [26 Feb 2007] Installations will fail due to a missing archive signing key. A fix for this has been uploaded, but won't reach etch for a day or two. A workaround is to pass "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" when booting the installer.
Feb 27 04:57:21 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5642 10optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/nemesis.mk): added and promoted nemesis
Feb 27 05:31:50 <rwhitby> Debian EABI image released by Joey - see message on nslu2-developers list.  Note that it's incompatible with all official package repositories anywhere.
Feb 27 07:25:26 <Caelian> anyone in here familiar with pthreads on nslu ?
Feb 27 12:14:40 <CIA-6> 03oleo * r5643 10optware/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): aspell: added - install dictionaries manually
Feb 27 15:32:04 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5644 10optware/trunk/make/py-lxml.mk: py-lxml: 1.2 -> 1.2.1
Feb 27 16:50:03 <mwester> !oebug 1873
Feb 27 16:50:04 <cdbot2> * * Bug 1873, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-02-14 07:45
Feb 27 16:50:05 <cdbot2> * * Bernhard.Guillon(AT)opensimpad.org: SIMpad switches driver killes the irq of the ucb1x00 touchscreen driver (patch inside)
Feb 27 16:50:06 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1873
Feb 27 18:39:04 <Sconk> Hi i hope to get some help here, im a owner of the d-link dns-323<http://wiki.dns323.info/> and are trying to build dropbear budt when i try to connect to it i gets the folling error
Feb 27 18:39:33 <Sconk> [9279] Feb 27 20:17:47 failed to open any /dev/pty?? devices
Feb 27 18:39:33 <Sconk> [9279] Feb 27 20:17:47 no pty was allocated, couldn't execute
Feb 27 18:39:44 <Sconk> hope you guys can help a bit :)
Feb 27 18:40:59 <Sconk> im compiling whit  --disable-openpty 
Feb 27 21:04:17 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5645 10optware/trunk/make/multitail.mk: multitail: 4.3.0 -> 4.3.1
Feb 27 21:12:05 <Blastur> hello, i'm trying to get the OpenEmbedded Mastermakefile to run on my Debian Etch system.. it states at the Wiki that "If you're using Debian Etch (testing) you can use the distros monotone and need not to download/install it seperately as described above.", however, that gives me monotone 0.31, is that really correct? it doesn't seem like i can check out stuff from the repository with it
Feb 27 21:23:46 <rwhitby> yes you can, you just need to follow the database upgrade instructions that monotone tells you (the database is 0.28)
Feb 27 21:36:23 <Blastur> cool
Feb 27 21:39:54 <GPSFan> rwhitby: howdy, I've read that you did some work with the yealink driver & apps for the nslu2. I'm getting some odd messsages when I plug in my b1k phone. Have you used a yealink usb phone on anything but a slug?
Feb 27 21:46:51 <GPSFan> rwhitby: http://www.pastebin.ca/374958 has the ones I'm concerned about, I get the same messages on 3 different mcahines 1 x86 P4 ubuntu, 1 G3 ppc ubuntu, and 1 ppc (8245) 2.6.21-rc1. 
Feb 27 21:48:12 <GPSFan> rwhitby: needless to say the display doesn't show what it should. However the lineX files are present in /sys/... and contain what the driver writes to them. Thanks in advance...
Feb 27 21:49:53 <GPSFan> rwhitby: the messages I'm concerned about are the "invalid payload size" and "urb_ctl_callback..." messages.
Feb 27 21:51:59 <theblue> Good news~!
Feb 27 21:52:04 <theblue> I found a way to make Debian NSLU2 RC1 install!
Feb 27 21:52:15 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5646 10optware/trunk/make/nginx.mk: nginx: 0.5.13 -> 0.5.14
Feb 27 21:52:27 <theblue> You select the unina mirror under Italy.
Feb 27 21:52:34 <theblue> It hasn't yet been updated with the new key.
Feb 27 21:52:37 <theblue> So it'll still install.
Feb 27 22:15:58 <Blastur> oh my god,.. this database migration will take all night on my p2 450 =)
Feb 27 22:16:54 <CoreDump|home> hi
Feb 27 22:17:02 <Blastur> yo
Feb 27 22:18:58 <Blastur> whats up you, coredump?
Feb 27 22:19:28 <CoreDump|home> not much atm
Feb 27 22:20:20 <Blastur> just chillin' chillin'
Feb 27 22:20:41 <CoreDump|home> so to speak
Feb 27 22:21:02 <Blastur> thats cool
Feb 27 22:21:23 <Blastur> hey, can I ask, what firmware do you run on your slug(s)?
Feb 27 22:22:42 <CoreDump|home> a 5-day old .dev build of slugos
Feb 27 22:22:59 <NAiL> Blastur: I could put up a copy of the converted db for you
Feb 27 22:23:06 <Blastur> nice.. is that big-endian, or?
Feb 27 22:23:23 <Blastur> NAiL, hmm, well, if it's not too much trouble.. i guess that would speed things up? :)
Feb 27 22:23:33 <CoreDump|home> Blastur: you can build both, mine is le actually
Feb 27 22:23:34 <NAiL> It'll speed it up considerably ;-)
Feb 27 22:23:55 <NAiL> Blastur: Just pulling first, so you get an up-to-date db ;)
Feb 27 22:24:10 <NAiL> should only take a couple of minutes
Feb 27 22:24:33 <Blastur> CoreDump|home, ah, okay.. i haven't used my slug for some time now, since i had issues with the network stalling etc.. so i just kept it offline, until today! i'm gonna try making my own kernel and see if that resolves the network issues
Feb 27 22:24:59 <Blastur> i've also been told that a BE kernel may give slight performance improvements
Feb 27 22:25:13 <CoreDump|home> Blastur: i see. FWIW, I don't see any network problems
Feb 27 22:25:22 <CoreDump|home> Blastur: that I heard as well =)
Feb 27 22:25:27 <Blastur> sounds good
Feb 27 22:25:55 <Blastur> i'll report back with my findings i guess :) i got debian RC1 on it right now, gonna do some benchmarks before i flash
Feb 27 22:27:16 <CoreDump|home> I can upload the le image somewhere if you want
Feb 27 22:27:34 <Blastur> sure, would be interesting to benchmark that aswell
Feb 27 22:27:43 <CoreDump|home> ok
Feb 27 22:28:14 <Blastur> i just gotta find a good measurement, i guess using a ftp-server to measure speeds has too many random variables
Feb 27 22:28:48 <Blastur> i'm mostly interesting in benching network speeds, but also to see if it affects general I/O speed.. i've been doing a lot of hdparm benching lately :)
Feb 27 22:29:53 <NAiL> Blastur: http://mirror.kynisk.com/ts/nslu2-linux.mtn.bz2 
Feb 27 22:30:08 <NAiL> Tell me when you're done, and I'll remove it afterwards ;)
Feb 27 22:30:17 <Blastur> excellent NAiL, i owe you one :)
Feb 27 22:30:26 <NAiL> np
Feb 27 22:32:32 <CIA-6> 03nail * r5647 10optware/trunk/platforms/toolchain-ts101.mk: toolchain-ts101: Revert to uclibc 0.9.27
Feb 27 22:33:25 <CIA-6> 03nail * r5648 10optware/trunk/make/buildroot.mk: buildroot.mk: Undo ts101-changes, so it can build old uclibc again
Feb 27 22:37:30 <CoreDump|home> is anyone here abusing his slug as an IMAP mail server, storing 100k+ mails and sorting 1000+ mails/day via procmail?
Feb 27 22:38:36 <Blastur> AwayNAiL, ok, i'm done downloading :)
Feb 27 22:38:48 * CoreDump|home thinks the 32Mb of RAM could be a problem
Feb 27 22:39:04 <Blastur> sounds heavy for the tiny little slug
Feb 27 22:39:26 <Blastur> perhaps you should try adding more ram.. FatSlug, or whatever the operation is called 
Feb 27 22:39:33 <Blastur> i'm considering it myself, sounds nifty!
Feb 27 22:39:37 <CoreDump|home> Blastur: I'd rather avoid that =)
Feb 27 22:40:10 <Blastur> running with only as little as double the ram would do A LOT for the slug i think
Feb 27 22:40:26 <CoreDump|home> yeah
Feb 27 22:41:25 <Blastur> but the installation of the new ram seems kinda difficult
Feb 27 22:41:32 <Blastur> i'm not steady with a soldering pen :)
Feb 27 22:42:15 <CoreDump|home> neither am I. Not _that_ steady and patient anyway
Feb 27 22:42:22 <CoreDump|home> And I'm an EE =D
Feb 27 22:42:36 <Blastur> EE?
Feb 27 22:42:52 <CoreDump|home> electronics engineer
Feb 27 22:43:17 <Blastur> oh, right =) 
Feb 27 22:43:33 <joshin> CoreDump|home: I was thinking of giving a local circuit board reworking company a call to get a quote on doing it.
Feb 27 22:43:50 <CoreDump|home> joshin: good idea
Feb 27 22:44:08 <joshin> I think that for around $100 I could up both my slugs to 256MB (half for the RAM, half for the reworking)
Feb 27 22:44:18 <Blastur> i'm a college student, i'm currently taking some courses where we are forced to do some basic soldering.. so i'm learning :) We get to work with microprocessors like the AVR and some old motorola cpus.. kinda fun actually!
Feb 27 22:44:27 <CoreDump|home> joshin: or maybe buy another NAS box w/ more RAM =)
Feb 27 22:44:37 <joshin> Yeah, that's the tradeoff...
Feb 27 22:44:41 <rwhitby> Sconk: welcome.  Don't have any help for your problem with dropbear though :-(
Feb 27 22:44:43 <Blastur> $100 seems very expensive for a ram-upgrade
Feb 27 22:45:04 <Blastur> i guess getting old ram like that is a problem nowadays
Feb 27 22:45:05 <CoreDump|home> ....for a 80$ device hehe
Feb 27 22:45:17 <joshin> For 2 $80 devices...  :)
Feb 27 22:45:21 <CoreDump|home> joshin: =D
Feb 27 22:45:52 <rwhitby> GPSFan: No idea - I just packaged the yealink stuff for OE, and tried it out on an NSLU2.  I got a connection, but didn't have the right ports open for audio - and haven't got back to it yet.
Feb 27 22:45:59 <joshin> Are there any cheap NAS devices with 128MB or more ram?
Feb 27 22:46:31 * CoreDump|home dunnos
Feb 27 22:47:06 <rwhitby> Blastur: what network problems were you having, and on which kernel?  We're not aware of any kernel problems at the moment.
Feb 27 22:47:40 <GPSFan> rwhitby: thanks anyway, I'll poke around some more.
Feb 27 22:47:45 <Blastur> rwhitby, its whatever kernel comes with Debian Installer RC1 .. i don't think it has been updated since I downloaded it in late November
Feb 27 22:48:10 <Blastur> but I google'd some, and found threads of people describing similar problems.. I actually had some weird packet corruption aswell
Feb 27 22:48:10 <rwhitby> Blastur: yeah, that one had problems with the ethernet driver.  The latest Debian kernel in unstable fixes all that.
Feb 27 22:48:18 <rwhitby> (it's the same as the latest driver in SlugOS)
Feb 27 22:48:42 <rwhitby> so try the 2.6.18-4 kernel from Debian before making kernel mods
Feb 27 22:48:49 <rwhitby> (or the latest SlugOS)
Feb 27 22:49:22 <rwhitby> joshin: Thecus N2100 has a fair bit of ram I think
Feb 27 22:49:51 <rwhitby> http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/Info/ThecusN2100 and http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/
Feb 27 22:50:11 <joshin> That looks nice.  2 GigE ports...  Wow
Feb 27 22:50:27 <CoreDump|home> but like, err 400 euros
Feb 27 22:51:00 <joshin> Yeah, a touch pricy.  Has a DDR Ram slot
Feb 27 22:51:02 <CoreDump|home> you almost get a bloody minimac for that
Feb 27 22:51:17 <joshin> You could get a PPC minimac for that
Feb 27 22:51:26 <Blastur> is it fanless? the N2100?
Feb 27 22:51:55 <Blastur> cause i used to have a minimac (the old G4 one), and it had annoying fan spin-ups occasionally. thats why i Love my slug! 
Feb 27 22:52:05 <CoreDump|home> there has to be a cheaper hackable USB-Host+Ethernet+64Mb RAM+ box out there
Feb 27 22:52:34 <rwhitby> it has a fan
Feb 27 22:53:15 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: the IOMega NAS100d (end of life) and D-Link DSMG600 (has to be RevA) are the same as a slug, but with double flash and ram
Feb 27 22:53:24 <rwhitby> (we support both with SlugOS)
Feb 27 22:53:33 <GPSFan> rwhitby: btw do you have the source or patches for the version nslu2 of yealink.c/h I haven't been able to find sources corresponding to the version # in http://feed.devbase.at/slugos-3.10
Feb 27 22:53:37 <rwhitby> (and I run Debian on one of my NAS100d's)
Feb 27 22:53:53 <rwhitby> GPSFan: the yealink for nslu2 is now in OE
Feb 27 22:54:17 <Blastur> hey, can I ask something about monotone? I got the "migrated" db from Nail, so I didn't have to rebuild it for my monotone 0.31 in Etch.. and I put it in the monotone-dir, overwriting the old file.. was I not suppose to do that? :) I'm still getting errors like "you should mtn db migrate" etc
Feb 27 22:54:53 <GPSFan> rwhitby: ah, I don't use OE. guess I've got some more reading to do. thanks...
Feb 27 22:57:57 <rwhitby> GPSFan: do you use the Master Makefile?
Feb 27 22:59:06 <GPSFan> rwhitby: this master makefile? http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/kernel/browser/trunk/Makefile
Feb 27 23:02:16 <rwhitby> GPSFan: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile
Feb 27 23:06:44 <GPSFan> rwhitby: thanks. I haven't done any slug work in a long time. I missed the whole conversion to OE. My 2 slugs have been happily running uNSLUng 5.5 for a while.
Feb 27 23:07:17 <rwhitby> GPSFan: optware is still done in SVN, but all the firwmare is built in OE
Feb 27 23:07:53 <GPSFan> ;>)
Feb 27 23:09:47 <theblue> How long is "Storing Language" on Debian's install supposed to take?
Feb 27 23:23:56 <CIA-6> 03bzhou * r5649 10optware/trunk/make/multitail.mk: multitail: force #if defined(__GLIBC__) to 0 for uclibc platforms
Feb 27 23:31:49 <CoreDump|home> Blastur: http://hentges.net/tmp/snapshots/SlugOS/
Feb 27 23:31:50 <GPSFan> rwhitby: fyi the internal revision of the yealink driver is yld-20051230 in feeds/slugosbe/unstable (kernel 2.6.20) and is yld-20060830 in feeds/slugosbe/cross/stable (kernel 2.6.16) So somewhere along the path from 2.6.16 to today, the yealink driver reverted to what has been in the mainline kernel vs. a patched/updated version. Interesitng. More to come as I unwind this...
Feb 27 23:31:58 <CoreDump|home> mehh
Feb 27 23:32:16 <theblue> H'lo?
Feb 27 23:32:40 * CoreDump|home dunnos as he is using slugos
Feb 27 23:32:46 <theblue> Damn.
Feb 27 23:36:07 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: I realise that is password protected, but be careful if you're distributing images with the Intel microcode in them.  The person recieving it from you must agree to the Intel license (which we usually do with a click-through on slug-firmware.net)
Feb 27 23:36:24 <rwhitby> theblue: put a serial port on it
Feb 27 23:36:37 <rwhitby> GPSFan: interesting find - please keep me informed.
Feb 27 23:36:50 <theblue> rwhitby, You run the slug-firmware.net site?
Feb 27 23:36:50 <rwhitby> (I wasn't aware a kernel patch was required)
Feb 27 23:36:52 <rwhitby> theblue: yes
Feb 27 23:36:56 <theblue> I've got good news.
Feb 27 23:37:00 <CoreDump|home> rwhitby: I take it the OE .dev images contain said microcode?
Feb 27 23:37:06 <theblue> The ftp.unina.it mirror hasn't been updated with the new key.
Feb 27 23:37:10 <theblue> It can be used safely with RC1.
Feb 27 23:37:40 <GPSFan> rwhitby: will do, may take a few days, as real life allows.. ;>)
Feb 27 23:37:52 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: yes, and you accepted the license when you downloaded the microcode, and the license clearly says that you can only distribute it under a license where the people getting it also accept the same license explicitly.
Feb 27 23:38:16 <CoreDump|home> hmmm, that makes things a bit complicated
Feb 27 23:38:30 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: yep, that's why we have slug-firwmare.net :-)
Feb 27 23:38:31 <theblue> rwhitby, Debian's been "Storing Language..." at 75% for about 30 minutes now.
Feb 27 23:38:40 <rwhitby> theblue: sounds like it's hung
Feb 27 23:38:45 <theblue> Damnit!
Feb 27 23:38:48 <CoreDump|home> Server not found
Feb 27 23:38:50 <theblue> Should I reflash, or just reboot?
Feb 27 23:39:03 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: typo: slug-firmware.net
Feb 27 23:40:00 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: I can only advise you publicly about the requirements of the Intel license - what you do in private with someone else is your business :-)
Feb 27 23:40:30 <rwhitby> just make sure that you don't distribute any images publicly without a click-through license.
Feb 27 23:40:52 <CoreDump|home> yeah. Well, I can't bitch about folks ignoring the GPL when I myself ignore other peoples licenses
Feb 27 23:41:32 <CoreDump|home> I'm thinking how to solve that. Maybe encrypted .rar archives and the click-through shows the password heh
Feb 27 23:41:40 <theblue> That'd do it.
Feb 27 23:42:09 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: note that we've organised the SlugOS firmware now such that the microcode is only added at the very last step in building the 8MB image.  the kernel and rootfs images are fine to distribute freely
Feb 27 23:42:42 <rwhitby> (we have to carry kernel patches that will never be accepted upstream to be able to do that, but it's worth the effort)
Feb 27 23:42:50 <CoreDump|home> hehe
Feb 27 23:42:57 <theblue> Cool!
Feb 27 23:43:18 * CoreDump|home would prefer offering a complete deploy_dir or nothing at all
Feb 27 23:43:26 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: nod
Feb 27 23:43:50 <rwhitby> we even have to exclude the ixp400 source code tarballs from our sources.nslu2-linux.org rsync ...
Feb 27 23:44:01 <rwhitby> (as you're not allowed to distribute those either)
Feb 27 23:45:27 <CoreDump|home> sheesh, why is intel so touchy feely about that. The code ain't of much use w/o intels hardware in the first place
Feb 27 23:45:56 <theblue> AMD is out there, you know.
Feb 27 23:46:10 <theblue> As are the other chip mfg'rs.
Feb 27 23:46:21 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: why is RMS so touchy feeling about the GPL ;-)
Feb 27 23:46:26 <theblue> RMS == scary!
Feb 27 23:46:53 <rwhitby> I've only had one direct email exchange with RMS.  But that was enough.
Feb 27 23:47:15 <theblue> Was it that painful?
Feb 27 23:47:34 <NAiL> I sat down and had pizza with RMS. More than enough ;)
Feb 27 23:47:42 <theblue> Ouch.
Feb 27 23:47:44 <CoreDump|home> rwhitby: I find it annoying that some firms slap idiotic licenses and restrictions on software _that is only any good with their hardware anyways_
Feb 27 23:47:53 <theblue> Is he really that much of a zealot?
Feb 27 23:48:19 <rwhitby> Not really, but it crystallised my opinion of open source vs FSF's definition of free software.
Feb 27 23:48:27 <theblue> How so?
Feb 27 23:49:01 <rwhitby> I wrote an Emacs package which added support for the commercial ClearCase SCM tool to the vc.el version control support package.
Feb 27 23:49:11 <theblue> What'd RMS say about it?
Feb 27 23:49:23 <theblue> He probably wanted to kill you for that, eh?
Feb 27 23:49:39 <rwhitby> XEmacs accepted it,  GNU Emacs didn't.  I licensed it under the GPL, and signed over the copyright to the FSF.
Feb 27 23:50:03 <theblue> Go figure.
Feb 27 23:50:13 <rwhitby> His reason was that supporting a commercial SCM package in Emacs would cause people to use ClearCase instead of RCS.
Feb 27 23:50:31 <theblue> ?!?
Feb 27 23:50:37 <theblue> He's nuts.
Feb 27 23:50:46 <rwhitby> At that point, I knew he had no intention to solve real people's problems.
Feb 27 23:50:57 <theblue> That's like saying supporting Word in Openoffice would make people use Word instead!
Feb 27 23:51:17 <eno> His reason has nothing to do with license
Feb 27 23:51:42 <rwhitby> So I respect him, and the FSF for persuing their goals.  But I don't follow them zealously myself, when real problems can be solved with open source, but not FSF-approved, solutions.
Feb 27 23:51:47 <NAiL> It has to do with the fact that you can't modify ClearCase.
Feb 27 23:52:32 <rwhitby> Never mind that Emacs already supported lots of commercial packages, so he was inconsistent at best.
Feb 28 00:27:17 <CoreDump|home> ~lart apache for not showing password protected directories 
Feb 28 00:27:17 * jbot slaps apache upside the head with a wet fish for not showing password protected directories
Feb 28 00:49:58 <CIA-6> 03nail * r5650 10optware/trunk/sources/buildroot/buildroot.ts101: Back up buildroot config so it works on this old version
Feb 28 00:50:10 <CoreDump|home> rwhitby: http://hentges.net/tmp/snapshots/SlugOS/ <- think that will do?
Feb 28 01:01:21 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: yep, I think that is fine, but I'm not a lawyer, so whether it is actually fine or not is between you and Intel :-)
Feb 28 01:01:29 <CoreDump|home> ;)
Feb 28 01:01:48 <rwhitby> but I'm happy enough that it does not put the project at any risk
Feb 28 01:03:35 <theblue> Oh f*ck.
Feb 28 01:03:44 <theblue> I think I screwed something up.
Feb 28 01:04:06 <rwhitby> CoreDump|home: but if anyone ever posts the password anywhere, it must be changed.  Each person visiting *must* read and accept the license individually.
Feb 28 01:04:24 <CoreDump|home> rwhitby: right
Feb 28 01:04:44 <theblue> Maybe not.
Feb 28 01:04:50 <theblue> Hi, by the way.
Feb 28 01:30:50 <mwester> ~lart silly bots for larting
Feb 28 01:30:50 * jbot beats the living hamstercrap out of silly bots for larting
Feb 28 01:31:15 <CoreDump|home> !lart jbot 
Feb 28 01:31:15 * cdbot2 chops jbot  in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
Feb 28 01:31:46 <mwester> We have one of the *those* now, do we?  :p
Feb 28 01:32:35 <CoreDump|home> botwars =)
Feb 28 01:33:37 <mwester> Almost sounds too easy -- get one bot to say something to the other, and end up with both knocked out for flooding the channel!
Feb 28 01:36:03 <CoreDump|home> mwester: :\
Feb 28 01:36:05 <theblue> Heheh.
Feb 28 01:36:12 <theblue> jbot, 
Feb 28 01:36:22 <theblue> ~lart dpkg
Feb 28 01:36:22 * jbot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down dpkg's throat until dpkg puts on 150lbs
Feb 28 01:36:25 <theblue> ~lart dpkg
Feb 28 01:36:31 <theblue> ~lart dpkg
Feb 28 01:36:31 * jbot pulls out his louisville slugger and uses dpkg's head to break the homerun record
Feb 28 01:37:12 <rwhitby> theblue: you can /msg a bot, you know ...
Feb 28 01:37:24 <theblue> rwhitby, I know.
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