**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 10 02:59:56 2007 Mar 10 03:17:04 eno, the wget line you showed gives the same good result here too. But Mar 10 03:18:31 ipkg search /usr/include/string.h shows up none. Also at the pkg search wesite does not give anything for string.h either Mar 10 03:18:53 ipkg search only works for installed packages Mar 10 03:19:34 I had forgotten that, but the website should work :( Mar 10 03:19:39 above ppl have commented that ipkg search site has problems Mar 10 03:20:23 there should be a meta package that depends on all the development tools Mar 10 03:20:42 that's how i installed my native development environment anyway Mar 10 03:22:52 it was openslug-native Mar 10 03:23:20 now called slugos-native Mar 10 03:25:41 eno, thanks. I installed that pkg, and I was able to compile my small c test program correctly!! Mar 10 03:27:26 At least for this round, the gcc and related stuff (including unlreated coreutils, and linux utils) took only about 12MB of disk space!! Happy Mar 10 03:27:41 download and take a look at Packages file, look for either slugos-native or openslug-native Mar 10 03:27:59 there're some additional packages you might need Mar 10 03:28:26 eno, I will add them as needed... Mar 10 03:28:49 to compile C++ program, you might need libstdc++-dev for example Mar 10 03:29:08 yes, thanks Mar 10 03:29:22 of course, g++ ... Mar 10 03:49:31 rwhitby: I noticed your slugos alpha post. I'll rebuild a fresh image and confirm that everything is stable... Mar 10 03:49:45 but it's looking good. Mar 10 03:50:32 VoodooZ: cool Mar 10 03:51:11 VoodooZ: the turnup disk wait bug has been fixed. Thanks for catching that! Mar 10 04:12:25 what's a good example of a native package? Mar 10 04:13:20 I need to create a sox-native package so I can use sox as a build tool but I'm unclrear on what bitbake class I need to inherit to do a native compile Mar 10 04:17:22 inherit native Mar 10 04:17:38 any foo-native package will do it Mar 10 04:17:57 packages/confuse/confuse-native_*.bb is a good example Mar 10 04:33:18 eno, hillct: I'm pushing corrected feeds now Mar 10 04:33:25 (will take a while to transfer) Mar 10 04:35:00 cool! Mar 10 04:36:38 What do you mean any foo-native? as far as I can tell, if I add sox-native to depends, it'll fail unless the recipe actually exists Mar 10 04:48:53 rwhitby: np. Thanks for pushing it. I'm on the lookout for more... Mar 10 04:48:54 night Mar 10 04:49:18 VoodooZ: mwester fixed that one Mar 10 04:51:22 slugosle feeds are fixed Mar 10 04:51:33 hillct: I mean use any foo-native.bb as an example Mar 10 04:51:44 slugosbe feeds updating now Mar 10 04:51:58 yeah Mar 10 04:52:34 conveniently, I started looking around, and only when you're looking for something do you forget where to find them Mar 10 04:53:31 03mwester * r769 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.20/defconfig: defconfig: build a few more serial drivers as modules Mar 10 04:58:29 just got trac working on slug, the wiki performs ok Mar 10 04:58:41 no svn integration though Mar 10 05:12:30 all feeds should be fixed now Mar 10 05:13:38 03bzhou * r5759 10optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/py-silvercity.mk): added and promoted py-silvercity Mar 10 05:14:44 03bzhou * r5760 10optware/trunk/make/clearsilver.mk: clearsilver: added py25 .so Mar 10 05:18:31 eno, i just got ubuntu working under vm workstation. Which should I install to get the very minimal gcc cross for slugosbe, just like you helped me today for native on slug? Mar 10 05:22:03 let me find the wiki page, one sec Mar 10 05:23:08 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/SlugosbeDevel Mar 10 05:23:50 you need to follow first http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile Mar 10 05:25:27 and you don't need to follow all the way to build the image though Mar 10 05:28:52 03bzhou * r5761 10optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/py-trac.mk): py-trac: added and promoted Mar 10 05:49:15 eno, thanks i will be working on this... Mar 10 06:05:12 03bzhou * r5762 10optware/trunk/make/swi-prolog.mk: swi-prolog: 5.6.29 -> 5.6.30 Mar 10 06:08:59 03bzhou * r5763 10optware/trunk/make/py-silvercity.mk: py-silvercity: fixed a typo Mar 10 06:30:52 03rwhitby * r770 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.20/defconfig: Refreshed the defconfig Mar 10 13:51:34 03blaster8 * r771 10kernel/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Update to 2.6.20.2 Mar 10 16:14:59 03bzhou * r5764 10optware/trunk/scripts/optware-autoclean.pl: optware-autoclean.pl: ignore commented out _VERSION and _IPK_VERSION line Mar 10 16:22:34 mwester, it seems the 4gb initial size I had given for the virt dsk for ubuntu in vmware cant be increased, and the cross tools even basic, might need a bigger disk Mar 10 16:22:42 03bzhou * r5765 10optware/trunk/make/getmail.mk: getmail: _VERSION and _IPK_VERSION must start with ^GETMAIL Mar 10 16:23:15 can a second virt disk be made and used from ubuntu? I have more space in the drive Mar 10 16:24:38 eno, for my vwm/ubuntu, it seems I need to install some basic tools first --- for example, I do not see 'make' anywhere. How to do this? Mar 10 16:41:29 chacko: apt-get install build-essential Mar 10 16:44:32 or before you install, apt-cache showpkg build-essential, look at the Dependencies Mar 10 16:46:00 eno, thanks. So apt-get is the counter part of ipkg in the slug? Mar 10 16:46:23 yes, ipkg is inspired by apt-get Mar 10 16:46:41 for additional partition, google "add partition vmware" Mar 10 16:47:05 eno, how big is your virt disk for ubuntu, where you do all the developments? Mar 10 16:49:25 i have access to to a couple of servers, i do most of my development there Mar 10 16:50:15 i have also setup cross dev env on my ubuntu vm, hold on, let me check the actual disk usage Mar 10 16:51:10 * mwester uses a 12GB virtual disk for Fedora, which is 38% full. And uses a second virtual disk for the Unslung/SlugOS data only (20GB, 6% full right now). Mar 10 16:52:40 eno, interesting! Even before I installed any of the slug tools, my virt disk already 2.7G, more than twice yours!! Perhaps becasue this is Workstation instead of the player? Mar 10 16:53:08 chacko: I chalked up my first few installs on Vmware to experience, and ended up rebuilding. I standardize on a 12GByte virtual disk; that seems to be more than adequate. Mar 10 16:53:20 20GB virtual disk, used 9GB right now Mar 10 16:54:01 workstation or player should not be different Mar 10 16:54:16 And I use a second virtual disk for data, so I can scratch the install and re-install Fedora without losing my work (if the worst ever happened to a virtual machine) Mar 10 16:54:49 eno, that makes sense, you are using over 40% of the 20GB, then my numbers look ok Mar 10 16:55:37 i actually have lot more packages installed, java, ghc, erlang ... Mar 10 16:57:14 mwester, I was thinking of redoing the vm install... But wanted to learn more before that... The install and updates of all the ubunto pkgs went for 6 hrs or so Mar 10 16:57:37 du -s $HOME/slug => 7.2G Mar 10 16:58:07 which edition do you use for ubuntu? Mar 10 16:58:31 desktop? Mar 10 16:58:55 mwester, your idea of the second vir disk for data is great, I might try that... Which means I put the /slug directory on the second disk, right? Mar 10 16:59:04 chacko: Same problem with Fedora - it's a catch-22. Immediately after a release, the install goes quickly because there are no updates. But there are lots of bugs. Later on, you get the bugs fixed, but the install takes forever. Mar 10 16:59:57 chako: yes, exactly. I mount the second drive on "/u", and use /u/slug -- I think there are others that follow that convention as well. Mar 10 17:00:44 eno, ubu 6.06 LTS Mar 10 17:01:50 mwester, so you have the second disk on a dirrent win volume! I have 6G left on the same volume as the vm now is, so was thinking of putting it there Mar 10 17:02:29 No, the second disk is just a different file on the same windows volume. I have everything on my C: drive. Mar 10 17:03:04 i'm using 6.10 (edgy) and started from server install cd Mar 10 17:03:38 one thing i like about debian/ubuntu is that you can do distupgrade Mar 10 17:03:51 Ah... Fm your yesterday's q: the reason for my multiple win volumes was I used to be an os/2 win developer and had many versions of these running at the same time in many volumes Mar 10 17:03:52 have done that a couple of times Mar 10 17:06:54 apt-get dist-upgrade allows you to upgrade from release to release, e.g. 6.06 -> 6.10 Mar 10 17:07:23 eno, reall! How long does it take? Mar 10 17:08:39 two or three hours IIRC, of course depends on the number of installed packages Mar 10 17:09:58 eno, do you run the full graphical interface and all? Really I dont care for much of that, but for simplicity I just did a full install. Usually for redhat the server install was leaner Mar 10 17:11:16 i don't run linux desktop environment, gnome or kde Mar 10 17:11:47 i started my install with ubuntu server install cd Mar 10 17:12:31 and later added a lite-weight tiling window manager (ion3) Mar 10 17:13:02 then either putty+screen, or vnc+ion3+screen Mar 10 17:20:50 eno, thanks Mar 10 17:22:04 mwester, for that /u/slug setup, what is the exact mecahnism, is there a symlink from root? Why the extra indirection of /u/, curious... Mar 10 17:31:48 chacko: /u is the mount-point for the partition. Since I use it for data in general, I put slug-specific stuff in /u/slug. Mar 10 18:00:22 having problems building a sox-native package. Any guidance? http://www.pastebin.ca/389319 Mar 10 18:10:54 ln -s /usr/bin/play ${STAGING_BINDIR}/rec <- ahem! Mar 10 18:18:36 yeah Mar 10 18:18:41 it doesn't get that far Mar 10 18:18:50 fails on autoconf Mar 10 18:19:27 but, yes, both should refer to ${STAGING_BINDIR} Mar 10 18:20:04 looks almost like the included autoconf macros are broken Mar 10 18:50:29 turns out the issue is an obsolete macro Mar 10 19:39:56 03bzhou * r5766 10optware/trunk/make/libgpg-error.mk: libgpg-error: 1.1 -> 1.4 Mar 10 19:40:25 03bzhou * r5767 10optware/trunk/make/libgcrypt.mk: libgcrypt: 1.2.3 -> 1.2.4 Mar 10 19:41:01 03bzhou * r5768 10optware/trunk/make/opencdk.mk: opencdk: 0.5.11 -> 0.5.13 Mar 10 19:41:42 03bzhou * r5769 10optware/trunk/make/gnutls.mk: gnutls: added missing DEPENDS Mar 10 19:42:23 03bzhou * r5770 10optware/trunk/make/gnupg.mk: gnupg: 1.4.6 -> 1.4.7 Mar 10 21:01:48 hillct, how long does it usually take for the VMware tools install? I had started it this moring, when I got hack aftre 4 hours it still is in the same state Mar 10 21:02:22 hillct, I did not mean to send that to you, I was type Hi :) Mar 10 21:03:05 hi Mar 10 21:03:15 and it usually installs in 20 seconds or so Mar 10 21:03:52 sometimes the vmware tools install menu item doesn't woek right though Mar 10 21:04:30 it's supposed to mount an ISO image and run the install, but depending on the guest OS, you many have to execute the install manually Mar 10 21:04:49 hmm... The only indication I had after clicking the menu, it turned to VM->Cancel vmw tools install and sitting in that state Mar 10 21:06:13 So this 'tools' is specific to the virtual machine, which is ubuntu for me... I had installed that from the ubu CD. Not asking for any cd Mar 10 21:09:18 chacko: i also had problem with vmware tools install menu before, i ended-up finding linux.iso under "Program Files\vmware..." and mounted it manually Mar 10 21:14:32 http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/install-vmware-tools-on-ubuntu-edgy-with-vmware-553/ Mar 10 21:16:46 eno, I will study that... try to find linux.iso now... Mar 10 21:29:15 eno, hillct, is the vmw tools worth installing? What do they give us? Mar 10 21:35:56 big performance benefits Mar 10 21:36:13 superior video mode handling Mar 10 21:36:18 well, then, i want it :) Mar 10 21:36:19 other items Mar 10 21:36:23 yup Mar 10 21:37:32 hillct, is there a way to prevent the vm capturing the mouse cursor? I dislike having to hit ctl-alt to go to another app, such as the chat window Mar 10 21:38:00 it's a preference item Mar 10 21:38:08 oh? Mar 10 21:38:36 yup Mar 10 21:42:30 i see some items in edit->Pref->input; have a feeling they work only after I install the VM tools... ? Mar 10 21:57:13 chacko: vmware tools handles much of the "fancy" stuff, such as avoiding the capture of the mouse. Mar 10 21:58:57 Basically, vmware tools in Linux is a set of device drivers and some utilities for managing the device drivers; these modified device drivers know how to manipulate vmware extensions to the virtual hardware that vmware provides in the VM -- so that way the guest OS can better cooperate. Good stuff, worth the trouble to install. Mar 10 21:59:52 mwester, thanks. It looks like I can simply increase the max size of my current v disk, using vmware-vdiskmanager.exe ?? Mar 10 22:58:09 Anybody using XChat here? Is there a way to look at past chat logs? Stored somewhere? Mar 10 23:03:18 Settings->Preferences->Chatting->Logging->Open Data Folder Mar 10 23:04:11 rwhitby, thanks Mar 11 00:03:19 what is the best way to get a file from my xp into a folder in the vm under vmware? Mar 11 00:07:45 chacko: vmware has support forums - that's not really a nslu2-linux related question. Mar 11 00:07:50 look for "shared folders" Mar 11 00:17:01 rwhitby, thank you. Mar 11 02:47:42 rwhitby: aparently the package feeds are still messed up Mar 11 02:48:01 at least those for 3.10-beta Mar 11 02:48:25 3.10 are hand-managed by NAiL Mar 11 02:48:50 what do you think is messed up about them? They don't automatically get new packages or anything like that. Mar 11 02:50:30 they get new packages automatically when I commit a change :) Mar 11 02:51:33 3.10-beta feeds should be very stable, and koens changes won't touch those feeds. Mar 11 02:52:25 right. Mar 11 02:52:35 bbiab Mar 11 02:54:17 I'll be happy to update any packages that has been tested **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 11 02:59:56 2007