**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 26 02:59:57 2007 Mar 26 05:49:49 03bzhou * r5827 10optware/trunk/make/py-urwid.mk: py-urwid: 0.9.7.2 -> 0.9.8 Mar 26 06:20:20 03cdoban * r5828 10optware/trunk/make/asterisk.mk: updated to version 1.2.17 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 26 11:51:03 2007 Mar 26 14:33:53 eno, Do You have permissions for rebuilding optware feeds from scratch? Mar 26 14:35:18 I am heading to upgrade buildroot and uclibc to 0.9.28.3, but It looks like nearly all packeges need to be rebuilded for that. Mar 26 14:51:27 oleo: what are the common issues when compiling against uClibC? Is it mostly long and float type changes or what? Mar 26 15:37:15 hillct Not just that. read http://www.uclibc.org/FAQ.html Mar 26 15:38:29 K. thanks Mar 26 15:45:46 hmm. not the level of detail I was looking for. Guess I'll just read all the docs... Mar 26 15:48:45 maybe http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt could help you Mar 26 15:51:43 ah Mar 26 15:51:47 perfect. thanks Mar 26 16:30:16 oleo: i have access to rebuild optware feeds Mar 26 16:31:16 what is the impact to ppl already have 0.9.28 uclibc installed? reflash? Mar 26 16:35:41 03bzhou * r5829 10optware/trunk/ (make/samba.mk sources/samba/postinst sources/samba/rc.samba): samba: corrections based on http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-general/message/6234 Mar 26 16:55:36 eno: for now I will create separate branch and ack you to include it as oleg/unstable feed Mar 26 16:56:51 k Mar 26 17:01:34 03oleo 07uclibc-unstable * r5830 10optware/: buildroot and uClibc 0.9.28.3 testbed Mar 26 17:05:42 oleo: the autobuild script will need some work to check out and build both branches Mar 26 17:07:29 Could you build just oleg -> unstable for now? Mar 26 17:09:19 03oleo 07uclibc-unstable * r5831 10optware/ (7 files in 3 dirs): unstable buildroot: upgrade to 0.9.28.3 Mar 26 17:11:43 manually under a separate optware tree, yes Mar 26 17:11:54 Impact to ppl already installed 0.9.28 from my testing is substantial. Some apps stop working and need reinstall. Mar 26 17:12:30 but not under autobuild, all feeds have unstable symlink to stable right now Mar 26 17:13:37 it might even be easier to create a new feed Mar 26 17:13:48 I know that implication. But I and some other guys need to test this before commiting to trunk. Mar 26 17:15:40 It is hard to maintain stable-unstable with the same buildroot.mk Mar 26 17:15:45 need to ask rwhitby on how to separate stable from unstable Mar 26 17:16:36 OK. I will work on uclibc-unstable and see then if this will be included or not. Mar 26 17:17:42 if it's not compatible with 0.9.28, i would do a separate feed Mar 26 17:18:07 unstable should be still compatible with stable feed Mar 26 17:18:24 Now I am rebuilding from scratch on my machine. Mar 26 17:19:13 There is no binary compatibility under uClibc! Mar 26 17:21:34 See http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt paragraph 3) Mar 26 17:26:41 that basicly means: either forced upgrade/reinstall, or separate feed Mar 26 17:26:56 isn't .3 just fixes? Mar 26 17:28:44 generally for any feed, i'd like to see stable/unstable to use the same toolchain, maybe package version can be different Mar 26 17:34:46 lokks not Mar 26 18:22:13 There is no changelog from 0.0.28 to 0.9.28.3 but my experience was that some apps stoped worked. Coreutils for example. Mar 26 18:43:21 my random link of the day - LOL Mar 26 18:43:22 http://funhight.blogspot.com/2007/03/russian-canned-fish-eats-you.html Mar 26 18:45:08 are you even sure this is fish ? Mar 26 19:51:29 username? Mar 26 20:04:10 use oleo as gw is USB stick drive only Mar 26 21:46:15 03bzhou * r5832 10optware/trunk/make/tz.mk: tz: 2007c -> 2007d Mar 26 21:50:28 ok. now that I have a physical drive for my slug, what's a reasonable swap partition size? 64MB? Mar 26 21:50:31 much larger? Mar 26 21:53:00 much Mar 26 21:53:13 of course depending on your usage Mar 26 21:53:36 Depends on what you want to run. If you wish to compile boost, you should start with maybe 20Gigabytes or so? :-( Mar 26 21:53:36 If you're compiling anything natively, >512mb Mar 26 21:53:40 hahah Mar 26 21:54:15 j/k -- I don't even think that much swap will help compile boost natively. 512MB is a good number to use, though. Mar 26 21:54:15 well, it's a 4GB simpletech microdrive Mar 26 21:54:22 a physical drive but still small Mar 26 21:54:42 SlugOS? Mar 26 21:54:50 yes Mar 26 21:55:13 (Unslung dictates the size of swap for you) Mar 26 21:55:22 ok, not small for the OS, but small for physical drive Mar 26 21:56:00 is there a way to get turnup to do specific partition assignments or would I have to do it by hand Mar 26 21:56:10 for things like /boot and /tmp Mar 26 21:56:13 If you feel uncomfortable dedicating that much of the drive to swap, you can go with a smaller swap and add a swapfile if it becomes necessary. Mar 26 21:56:39 /boot doesn't exist Mar 26 21:56:47 I may go with 128MB swap Mar 26 21:56:53 it seems to exist Mar 26 21:57:22 Not on my SlugOS Mar 26 21:57:34 Unless you're running Debian? Mar 26 21:57:57 nope Mar 26 21:58:01 slugos 3.10-beta Mar 26 21:58:44 are you meaning the /initrd/boot, perhaps? Mar 26 21:59:10 I mean the filesystem after turnup disk Mar 26 21:59:31 could be a copy of initrd boot Mar 26 21:59:32 Doesn't exist after turnup on SlugOS 4.3 Mar 26 21:59:40 ah Mar 26 21:59:46 does on 3.10 Mar 26 22:00:17 It contains only stuff required on initial boot, and must be part of the flash filesystem -- pointless to give it a disk partition. Mar 26 22:00:32 anyway, if it's not as meaningful to give it a separate partition as it is on desktops I guess I won't Mar 26 22:00:45 ah Mar 26 22:00:47 as you say Mar 26 22:00:49 ok Mar 26 22:01:08 so, root, swap and var Mar 26 22:01:13 I guess Mar 26 22:01:18 Reasonable. Mar 26 22:01:45 I partition mine thusly: Mar 26 22:01:55 data, ext3 partition 1 Mar 26 22:02:05 conf, small ext3 partition (for unslung) Mar 26 22:02:14 swap (for any os that needs it) Mar 26 22:02:26 root (for slugos) Mar 26 22:02:55 Thus, the drive can be used on Unslung, SlugOS, and if I plug it into any other system, partition 1 is the data partition. Mar 26 22:03:09 With only 4GBytes, that might not be important, though. Mar 26 22:03:59 I'm staying away from unslung. I spent two days with it. that was quite enough Mar 26 22:04:34 my decision is around whether to have a second data partition Mar 26 22:04:39 hmm Mar 26 22:05:18 Yes to the second data partition Mar 26 22:05:31 yeah, probably so Mar 26 22:05:55 It allows you to copy off important conf files, then reflash, newfs, turnup -i, and recover your config files quickly. Mar 26 22:06:25 does turnup honor labels in the same way somrthing like Disk Druid does or will I need ot manually setup the mount points after the fact? Mar 26 22:07:14 reflash will preserve many of the config files, but it doesn't know about some application configs and packages. Mar 26 22:07:25 turnup doesn not use labels; it uses UUIDs Mar 26 22:07:48 Same effect, but less chance of confusion if you move the drive from slug to slug Mar 26 22:08:30 what are UUIDs? Mar 26 22:09:04 Big long ugly unique strings assigned to the partion at newfs time. Mar 26 22:09:16 a general filesystem mechanism I haven't encountered in the last 15 years? Mar 26 22:09:17 wow Mar 26 22:09:20 ok Mar 26 22:11:24 where are the UUIDs mapped to mount points for turnup? Mar 26 22:12:20 mwester: if reflash doesn't know about a config file, then the OE package should be changed to add that file to CONFFILES in the packaging. it's a never-ending battle :-) Mar 26 22:13:47 reflash just reads from the list of CONFFILES ? Mar 26 22:13:49 cool Mar 26 22:18:59 yep, that plus some hard-coded ones to be sure. Mar 26 22:19:16 (/etc/default/conffiles can be modified to add any that you want to save) Mar 26 22:41:22 rwhitby: when you say reflash, you mean 'turnup preserve' which reads the conffiles list and uses reflash to write them to flash right? Mar 26 22:44:33 Where do I set up the UUID -> mount point mapping? Mar 26 22:59:33 hillct: yes Mar 26 23:00:12 is there a file that turnup reads for UUID to mount point mappings? Mar 26 23:00:41 a cursory check of the turnup script itself suggests it provides no special teatment for use of multiple partitions Mar 27 00:15:23 wasn't there a wiki page about how to safely switch from dropbear to openssh? I can't find it Mar 27 00:19:02 there's a howto I believe Mar 27 00:19:54 hillct: /etc/uuid_by_partition Mar 27 00:20:44 ah Mar 27 00:20:50 partition file. cool Mar 27 00:21:11 there is a howto about switching to openssh but it's absolutely inaccurate Mar 27 00:21:14 and the turnup script uses that. I'm not sure any of this was in 3.10, but it's definitely in head. Mar 27 00:21:16 for slugos anyway Mar 27 00:22:44 the uuid map file (by default) contains the fields, | device uuid | Mar 27 00:22:57 is the mount point the third field? Mar 27 00:23:02 space separated? Mar 27 00:43:51 is there any way to install openssh-sshd and uninstall dropbear in the same ipkg command? Mar 27 00:44:03 how's this supposed to be done Mar 27 00:44:26 nohup ipkg remove dropbear && nohup ipkg install openssh-sshd? Might work. Mar 27 00:44:29 the only Wiki page I found on this applied to Unslung and didn't address te package conflict at all Mar 27 00:44:32 Could use cron. Mar 27 00:44:44 ah Mar 27 00:44:50 I like the nohup solution Mar 27 00:45:09 but I could have sworn there was a wiki page that covered this Mar 27 00:45:20 hillct: are you following this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SwapFromDropbearToOpenSSH ? Mar 27 00:45:43 Out of curiosity, why do you want to swap from dropbear to openssh? Mar 27 00:46:01 bofh: don't get me started :-) Mar 27 00:46:03 for sftp Mar 27 00:46:12 at least in my case Mar 27 00:46:21 iirc, dropbear does have sftp support Mar 27 00:46:24 rwhitby: why not? Mar 27 00:46:28 strangely, that wiki page didn't come up when I searched for openssh Mar 27 00:47:13 bofh: not when I tried it. Does it require different args to get sftp going? Mar 27 00:47:23 bofh: actually dropbear latest version is pretty good. Mar 27 00:47:43 hillct: let me try, haven't actually done it. Mar 27 00:47:49 but as far as I know it still doesn't do agent forwarding properly Mar 27 00:47:56 rwhitby: I'm using an ancient one that still has a security hole in it. Mar 27 00:48:08 (which is one of the *key* principles of ssh as far as I am concerned) Mar 27 00:48:17 ...Agent forwarding is key? Mar 27 00:48:21 I've *never* used it. Mar 27 00:48:23 yup Mar 27 00:48:33 agent forwarding is handy Mar 27 00:48:40 not key for me but handy Mar 27 00:48:47 bofh: do you use passwords or ssh keys everywhere? Mar 27 00:49:02 Agent forwarding has saved my life, my career, and my sanity. Mar 27 00:49:05 rwhitby: ssh keys with passphrase, typically. Mar 27 00:49:06 Rod's rules of ssh: Mar 27 00:49:10 1) Never use passwords Mar 27 00:49:18 But really. I have a good memory. Might as well use it. Mar 27 00:49:24 (ok, maybe not my life, and possibly not my career, but certainly my sanity) Mar 27 00:49:48 2) Never store your private key on a computer for which you do not have direct physical contact with. Mar 27 00:49:51 1) passwords are bad because they can be bruteforced, especially if weak Mar 27 00:50:07 3) Always use agent forwarding to step from one computer to the next. Mar 27 00:50:13 2) Keys with null passphrase are bad because if someone vacuums up your key he can get in easily Mar 27 00:50:31 Why not just retype your passphrase and copy your pubkey to step from one box to the next? Mar 27 00:50:35 Easy enough. Mar 27 00:50:52 bofh: huh? where is your private key stored in that scenario? Mar 27 00:51:07 Ahh. Now I see. Mar 27 00:51:22 I haven't run into a daisy-chain scenario like that yet. Mar 27 00:51:30 agent forwarding allows you to keep your private key on *one* machine that you are holding in your hot little hands, and never copy your private key *anywhere* else. Mar 27 00:51:33 All my boxen are on my LAN, which is (rather) secure. Mar 27 00:52:00 Yeah, but how many times do you typically have to ssh-daisy-chain, rwhitby? Mar 27 00:52:03 And don't forget that port forwarding can be used to ssh *through* overly-restrictive firewalls that only allow http to the outside... Mar 27 00:52:09 (and passphrase protection of that private key in that one place is an excellent security measure too) Mar 27 00:52:13 rwhitby: false sense of security. If you're afraid of a box with your key on it being rooted, it can also be made to capture your key when you use ssh-agent. Mar 27 00:52:21 bofh: *every* day, many times. Mar 27 00:52:32 rwhitby: oh? Mar 27 00:53:07 bofh: yep, every computer that I touch has passwords turned off, and no telnet access (ssh only). Mar 27 00:53:57 I befriended the Sys Admin at my last employer and got an SSH account -- I had one or more ssh-forwarded sessions open almost every day for two years. (The VPN was just *AWFUL* and that was the only way I could get my job done on customer sites) Mar 27 00:53:59 and due to multiple levels of secure firewalls at various work locations and open source projects that i am involved with, means lots of daisy-chaining. Mar 27 00:54:48 mwester: yeah, ssh port-forwarding is also great for things like getting to the web interface of a router that's inside a secure LAN on the other side of the world. Mar 27 00:56:38 * mwester wishes we could trim OpenSSH down far enough to use that in the rootfs instead of dropbear Mar 27 00:56:44 bofh: there also used to be a significant performance differential between dropbear and openssh - dunno if that is still the case. Mar 27 00:56:48 mwester: pretty much impossible. Mar 27 00:57:01 rwhitby: yeah, but dropbear is typically used for embedded systems Mar 27 00:57:05 ...Like a slug. Mar 27 00:57:05 (openssh was much faster on scp than dropbear) Mar 27 00:57:20 I know - better people than I have looked at it and said it won't fit. Mar 27 00:57:23 bofh: right, but we still got a 2x speedup on scp by going to openssh Mar 27 00:57:25 I don't know why you'd daisy-chain through a slug. Mar 27 00:57:41 bofh: one reason would be if your slug was the ssh gateway into your secure lan Mar 27 00:57:51 (behind the router) Mar 27 00:57:54 I see the packages have been broken up to -sshd -sftp -ssh etc Mar 27 00:58:04 rwhitby: er... why? Mar 27 00:58:15 :) Because my slug is my ssh and openvpn and every other network server behind my firewall -- if every other system is down, it still works. Mar 27 00:58:18 duno how much that changes the size Mar 27 00:58:21 cause the router couldn't run openssh, and therefore couldn't do agent forwarding. Mar 27 00:58:31 Slugs stay running a *LONG* time when they're on a 350VA UPS. Mar 27 00:58:39 mwester: yeah, that too. Mar 27 00:58:43 yeah, about 2 hours, mwester Mar 27 00:58:47 Still not enough :( Mar 27 00:59:00 [1-day power outage reset my 400-day uptime] Mar 27 01:00:04 2 hours? Mar 27 01:00:16 I think that's wrong, too... Mar 27 01:00:39 5v @ 2A max = 10 Whrs Mar 27 01:03:20 bofh: mwester runs it without disk I believe. Mar 27 01:03:53 mwester: I'm about to change the name of the unslung kernel in tmp/deploy/images from zImage-unslung to zImage-nslu2be, so that we can use the generic nslu2_pack_image instead of an unslung-specific one. Mar 27 01:04:13 Ok. Mar 27 01:04:16 rwhitby: mine runs off flash, but the same UPS also powers a router and cablemodem. Mar 27 01:04:16 (the name change should have no effect outside of that) Mar 27 01:04:45 Which suck about as much as the slug Mar 27 01:04:52 The router a bit more, the modem a bit less. Mar 27 01:06:29 bofh: yes, flash as well, and a Linksys router. I haven't calculated my router. It easily lasts for the outages I tend to get here (there are two kinds, <1 minute and approx 20 minutes) Mar 27 01:06:51 mwester: nslu2_pack_image will then be a property of the nslu2 machine.conf, instead of distro or image specific Mar 27 01:06:54 Mine are of 2 kinds: Mar 27 01:06:57 <1 minute Mar 27 01:07:00 And 2 days. Mar 27 01:07:19 [the latter occur when we get hit by freezing rain and half the city's powerlines come crashing down] Mar 27 01:07:42 I think the latter situation is normally outside the scope of a 350VA UPS solution ... Mar 27 01:08:14 2 days would be a different type of event altogether. In the winter, water pipes would freeze, etc -- I'm no longer too concerned about my slug then :D Mar 27 01:08:37 mwester: welcome to Windsor, Canada. We get this every other February. Mar 27 01:09:46 * mwester has long coveted the display model Generac at the local building supply store -- auto-start, natural-gas powered... Mar 27 01:10:50 Windsor, huh -- I've spent way too much of my recent life just across the border from there on customer projects. Things get messy in Chicago too. Mar 27 01:11:55 Ahh, in Detroit? Mar 27 01:12:19 Troy actually Mar 27 01:12:42 The bigwigs are in the tower in Detroit, the work all happens out in the suburbs Mar 27 01:12:46 Close enough. Mar 27 01:12:57 It's all Michigan. Been there a few times, hated it. Mar 27 01:13:15 Not too different from SW Ontario. I've lived in both places... Mar 27 01:15:05 mwester: there's a reason I'm trying to get out of SW Ontario asap :P Mar 27 01:16:21 I'd love to try a few years in Australia, myself. Mar 27 01:17:08 Ideally, I'd like to go back to Eastern Europe. Mar 27 01:17:20 Come to Norway ;) Mar 27 01:17:34 enjoy the warm weather :P Mar 27 01:18:08 yay Mar 27 01:18:19 NAiL: I've actually thought a lot about Finland, but close enough :P Mar 27 01:18:26 <3 cold weather Mar 27 01:18:27 * NAiL just bough an usb adsl modem Mar 27 01:18:31 *finally* Mar 27 01:18:34 Why USB? Mar 27 01:18:40 Those things are evil. Mar 27 01:18:46 Because I want to attach it to one of my NAS devices Mar 27 01:19:06 Just use ethernet. Mar 27 01:19:30 If I could change the router to a bridge, I would Mar 27 01:19:32 but I can't Mar 27 01:19:52 Part of the point is that I want full control of the router Mar 27 01:20:07 You've been looking for one of those for months! Mar 27 01:20:12 yes :-D Mar 27 01:20:21 mfgr? Mar 27 01:20:37 Allied Telesyn Mar 27 01:20:47 They're a good mfgr Mar 27 01:20:51 AT-AR215 Mar 27 01:21:01 Supported under linux, of course Mar 27 01:21:11 Drivers already in the kernel? Mar 27 01:21:24 (you're using foonas, I'll bet) Mar 27 01:21:27 dunno, but I don't think setting it up will be much of a problem ;) Mar 27 01:21:45 but of course I'm using foonas :P Mar 27 01:22:02 I want to use the device with my FSG-3 though Mar 27 01:22:22 if freecom ever gets their finger out and releases the source Mar 27 01:22:50 At that point I'll replace the internal wifi card too, so I can finally have stable wifi Mar 27 01:23:04 the POS card that is in the fsg-3 is killing me Mar 27 01:25:00 Which wifi is that? Mar 27 01:25:14 * mwester is getting cranky with the atheros in his DSM Mar 27 01:26:01 mwester: what's wrong with the card in the DSM? Mar 27 01:26:32 mwester: marvell libertas Mar 27 01:27:24 I don't think it's the card, rather the driver. Driver oopses, it seems to be -- you get a traceback dumped out, identifying the wlan_scan (or similar) as the running routine. Mar 27 01:27:48 Most often at boot, but once in a long while it does it after several days of running. Mar 27 01:28:18 * NAiL is getting used to restarting his fsg-3 daily. Mar 27 01:28:31 Didn't seem to do it when it was running WEP (now is WPA), but I'm not sure if that's just coincidence. Mar 27 01:29:33 nite all Mar 27 01:29:33 * mwester notes that it's been running 4 days 56 minutes -- without the wireless associated with an AP. Mar 27 01:29:33 Nite Mar 27 01:58:27 Anyone in here ever used a BDI2000? Mar 27 01:59:08 I just bought an nslu2, and a 250 gig hard-drive with a USB enclosure Mar 27 01:59:26 do I have to partition the hard-drive before unsluging it? Mar 27 02:00:08 should I first try to get NSLU2 setup to work without any hacks and then try to unslug it? Mar 27 02:00:22 robinn: have you read the README file yet? Mar 27 02:00:41 (the one that comes with Unslung) Mar 27 02:01:34 mwester: I'm also removing the cpio and findutils stuff from unslung-image - I assume it's had enough testing. Mar 27 02:01:37 nope, I should go and read it... Mar 27 02:01:44 thank you Mar 27 02:04:00 robinn: you can either accept the default linksys partitioning, or you can do it yourself if that is not appropriate. Mar 27 02:04:21 (there's a wiki page on custom partitioning, but you need to be familiar with the linux command line and fdisk to do it) Mar 27 02:04:38 RobNC: I haven't, but would like to :-) Mar 27 02:04:53 is the default linksys partitioning ext2 or ext3? also does the default linksys partitioning create a swap drive? Mar 27 02:05:07 robinn: ext3, yes. Mar 27 02:05:10 as the wiki page you're talking about mentions something about creating a swap drive Mar 27 02:05:15 ok cool Mar 27 02:05:38 rwhitby: heh luckily I have one at work. Got TFTP server, yada yada but wanna make sure I do it right. Pretty expensive!! Mar 27 02:06:03 Which is more popular in the NSLU2 community, Unslung or Debian? Mar 27 02:06:47 I hear there are thousands of packages for debian that are compiled against the same processor the Slug uses Mar 27 02:06:54 ARM, I believe Mar 27 02:07:09 Unslung has about 50K downloads. SlugOS and Debian have about 10K downloads each. Mar 27 02:07:27 the README file you were talking about, I believe that's associated with Unslung, not Debian, is that correct? Mar 27 02:07:33 correct. Mar 27 02:07:38 ahh... Mar 27 02:07:42 The Debian installation is completely separate. Mar 27 02:07:59 and I can easily go from Unslung to Debian later on, is that correct? Mar 27 02:08:00 Are you an experienced Linux user? Mar 27 02:08:21 no, not really... Mar 27 02:08:27 You can always go from any firmware to any firmware, but it's a complete reinstall (including packages and sometimes disk partitioning) if you do. Mar 27 02:08:48 yeah, that won't be a problem, I'll probably make that decision in the first week Mar 27 02:08:59 I bought a WinTV PVR USB2 :) Mar 27 02:09:05 I can't wait to hook all these up Mar 27 02:09:09 I'm so excited Mar 27 02:09:19 it's gonna be a good learning experience Mar 27 02:09:33 If you have a particular application in mind, then that might drive your firmware decision. Mar 27 02:10:17 rwhitby, yeah, I better check the wiki page for WinTV integration... I believe the person was using Debian Mar 27 02:11:25 Which distro has more package support on the NSLU2? It's very important for me that the distro I choose has tons of packages as it's gonna be time-consuming to port packages that are not already ported... Mar 27 02:12:12 debian is most linux-like, IMHO, and doesn't require the hacks that openslug does Mar 27 02:12:24 er unslug I meant Mar 27 02:12:32 depends what packages you want. Unslung has Optware, which is almost 1K packages hand-chosen and hand-optimised for the NSLU2. SlugOS has OpenEmbedded, which has a couple of thousand packages optimised for handhelds, and Debian has lots of packages, mostly optimised for large memory desktops. Mar 27 02:13:16 It's likely that most of the packages you will want will be on all three. Mar 27 02:20:58 I have made my decision. OpenDebianSlug! :) Mar 27 02:21:37 I wonder if I could get OpenBSD on it. Mar 27 02:21:48 robinn: no such thing as opendebianslug any more Mar 27 02:22:21 oh right.. that was the 'historical' name Mar 27 02:22:22 "SlugOS/BE Mar 27 02:22:22 + Debian armeb Mar 27 02:22:31 just a long name... Mar 27 02:22:34 nope, don't do that. armeb is not supported. Mar 27 02:22:38 such a long name... Mar 27 02:22:40 hmm. Mar 27 02:22:50 Is it possible to run the nslu2 in little-endian? Mar 27 02:22:57 I got it from here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix Mar 27 02:22:58 Big-endian gives me a minor headache. Mar 27 02:23:17 bofh: LE is the default for Debian/NSLU2 and for SlugOS/LE. Mar 27 02:23:26 rwhitby: am running openslug. Mar 27 02:23:28 robinn: thx - I'll update that page. Mar 27 02:23:42 Is it possible to switch via a kernel upgrade and busybox/root crossrecompile? Mar 27 02:23:49 openslug is the old name for SlugOS/BE. Mar 27 02:23:58 Ahh. Mar 27 02:24:23 SlugOS/LE will fit on internal flash and give me a base system [id est, none of the linksys junk], right? Mar 27 02:24:35 rwhitby, then what is the name of the disro of the column I selected? Mar 27 02:25:11 s/disro/distro Mar 27 02:25:53 hi, I am trying to get info on linux on ARM. I just started hacking the Western Digital MyBook World Edition which has an ARMv5EJTL and runs linux. Mar 27 02:26:29 btw, what is the default endianness of the XScale and how do you switch it? Mar 27 02:26:45 robinn: SlugOS/BE running with an unsupported Debian armeb rootfs. Mar 27 02:27:05 bofh: endianness is selected by the bootloader and/or kernel stuff at boot time. Mar 27 02:27:20 bofh: yes. there is no default. change a bit in a machine register. Mar 27 02:27:46 So wait. Mar 27 02:27:56 If nothing gets written to that register. Mar 27 02:27:57 (hmm - maybe there is a default, cause the machine register resets to a known state, but the default is not really relevant from a SlugOS point of view) Mar 27 02:28:05 The CPU runs in a non-endian state? Mar 27 02:28:06 Huh? Mar 27 02:28:07 rwhitby: I've tested without find and cpio ;) Not sure how many others are actually running the 6.9-alpha unslung versions. Mar 27 02:28:24 Why'd it change the name from OpenSlug to SlugOS? Mar 27 02:28:42 cause it got BE and LE versions. Mar 27 02:29:15 So OpenSlug/BE and OpenSlug/LE? :P Mar 27 02:29:52 no Mar 27 02:29:58 LE didn't used to be (<-- grammer police alert!) an option until recently when an open-source driver that worked in both endianness' became available. Mar 27 02:30:28 mwester: actually, we got the Intel driver to work LE well before the open source driver was created. Mar 27 02:31:00 Oops. Sorry for the misinformation (I don't remember that, actually :( I must have been asleep!) Mar 27 02:31:39 Didn't we require an external network adaptor for early debian stuff? Mar 27 02:32:16 mwester: yes. Mar 27 02:33:09 mwester: yes, before we got the Intel driver to work LE. Mar 27 02:33:40 Ok. Then I'm not crazy, just not paying attention :D Mar 27 02:34:32 First debian required external network adapter, or required running armeb. Second Debian used intel driver LE. Later Debians use open source driver. Mar 27 02:36:10 if you leave the register alone, the CPU runs in middle-endian Mar 27 02:39:00 I thought it was bi-endian Mar 27 02:39:50 I hope the NSLU2 can handle (torrents+asterisk(1 line)+WinTV+(normal file transfers)) Mar 27 02:41:43 robinn: let us know if it does. You will want to choose your packages carefully (especially the torrent package) based on memory usage (which is the most precious resource on an NSLU2) Mar 27 02:42:54 robinn: your'e the one doing WinTV on the slug? Mar 27 02:43:14 robinn: what functionality in that regard are you actually using? Mar 27 02:43:20 Video encoding? Mar 27 02:43:33 I'm assuming not **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 27 02:59:56 2007