**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 11 02:59:56 2007 May 11 07:16:47 morning! i'm running openslug on my nslu2. unfortunately, my scanner is not supported by the stock saned package - so i need to build a new one. do you guys have a howto or something on building a more recent version of an already existing package? May 11 07:18:05 .. or is this rather an end-user question? May 11 07:32:53 pluesch0r: well, someone might be tempted up update saned May 11 07:33:15 IIRC, the last time saned was updated was when I tried getting my scanner working with the nslu2 May 11 07:33:40 I can look at upgrading saned later today, bit hung over right now May 11 07:44:02 NAiL: that would be awesome. May 11 07:44:18 as the debian saned supports it, but produces unusable pictures. :) May 11 07:58:43 morning May 11 08:03:45 hello May 11 11:21:32 NAiL: if i can do anything to help, please tell me. May 11 12:06:33 pluesch0r: cure a bad hangover? ;) May 11 12:10:48 NAiL: hangover on alcohol? May 11 12:13:23 NAiL: drink lots of water with a bit of salt. just enough so you don't really taste it. May 11 12:13:36 NAiL: and fruit! lots of fruit! May 11 15:10:16 03bzhou * r6030 10optware/trunk/make/ipython.mk: ipython: 0.8.0 -> 0.8.1 May 11 15:10:43 03bzhou * r6031 10optware/trunk/make/py-sqlobject.mk: py-sqlobject: 0.8.3 -> 0.8.4 May 11 15:19:19 eno__: ping May 11 15:32:33 NAiL: not meaning to get on your nerves .. but please let me know it when you get around to create a new package of saned. May 11 15:58:37 bwaha, now I finally ordered my nslu2 May 11 15:59:02 2 seconds later I got an email that my nslu2 is now ready for pickup in the store 700 metres from here \o/ May 11 16:04:37 pluesch0r: I'll hopefully get around to it in a few hours May 11 16:04:42 bit slow today May 11 16:07:35 pluesch0r: btw, what distribution are you running? May 11 16:13:01 NAiL: openslug May 11 16:21:13 hmm, is nslu2 BE or LE ? May 11 16:23:08 or both ?-) May 11 16:25:24 both May 11 16:25:33 heh May 11 16:27:47 NAiL, any opinion on what distribution to put on my nslu2? I've been using gentoo for 3-4 years.. May 11 16:27:53 I might want to compile some custom kernel modules occasionally, or maybe even do some patching of the kernel May 11 16:28:16 and I fancy being able to check out source code of software from time to time May 11 16:28:37 but I don't feel I absolutely need to be able to compile all packages from source May 11 16:32:07 can you run emacs on nslu2 ?----D May 11 19:20:29 * xkr47 is checking out his new purchase :) May 11 19:45:28 the cute little thing replies to my pings ^^ May 11 19:46:25 haha May 11 19:48:53 now if my dmz wasn't so strict on letting it in :) May 11 19:51:14 nice, I can browse files directly after opening the web page :) May 11 20:17:18 it seems to have V2.3R24 firmware May 11 20:19:28 what's the production date of your slug? May 11 20:20:54 hmm, how do I find that out ? May 11 20:21:02 * xkr47 googles May 11 20:23:26 oh, found the sticker.. 02/2007 May 11 20:24:05 is that good or bad ?-) May 11 20:25:52 * xkr47 pings NAiL May 11 20:38:14 xkr47: might be good May 11 20:38:23 anyway it's not "bad" ;) May 11 20:38:32 do you have telnet access? May 11 20:38:38 some forum suggested the models have been 266MHz since last summer May 11 20:38:48 yes May 11 20:39:43 port 23 not responding May 11 20:41:05 NAiL, saw my ponderings @ 18:27 your time ? May 11 20:42:13 * xkr47 installs nmap :) May 11 20:42:19 well, it's really up to you ;) May 11 20:44:32 I think someone is running gentoo on their slugs May 11 20:44:34 I don't have an usb harddrive so once concern with using portage which needs a lot of memory is that it might consume the usb flash stick a bit too fast May 11 20:44:39 but that's just gotta be slow ;) May 11 20:45:02 I looked at the nslu2 gentoo page and it talked about distcc working but autoconf being slow May 11 20:45:20 some friend thought I could have some qemu or similar environment on my pc doing all the compiling May 11 20:45:53 have you tried cross-compiling ? May 11 20:46:47 we use openembedded for cross-compiling May 11 20:46:58 oh nice, same as openmoko May 11 20:47:04 yes May 11 20:47:18 so I guess that kindof makes the whole gentoo idea unnecessary May 11 20:48:03 so what OS variant are you using ? May 11 20:48:39 * xkr47 looks at the FirmwareMatrix page May 11 20:54:32 Uh, my slug has been collecting dust for a while, but I was using openslug or slugos/le May 11 20:55:28 I'm working on a new distribution, called "foonas" May 11 20:56:35 right you mentioned it earlier May 11 21:00:03 "A good heat dissipation enclosure choice is fundamental for no-power-off use" May 11 21:00:24 (when talking about 266MHz operation) May 11 21:08:57 xkr47: I'm very interested to see what CPU speed you have May 11 21:09:06 could you crack open the case and read the numbers on the CPU? May 11 21:11:27 sure! May 11 21:12:04 if you'll bear with my tricky questions later when I see stuff inside :) May 11 21:12:47 * xkr47 studies the "OpenTheCase" page May 11 21:15:14 pretty easy to open May 11 21:15:14 ok it's open May 11 21:15:34 ok, look at the CPU and write down the stuff on it May 11 21:16:58 will a digicam picture do ?-D May 11 21:22:14 NAiL, http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/dscf3718.jpg May 11 21:22:21 sorry for the size :) May 11 21:23:20 thanks May 11 21:24:03 took a pic of the back also May 11 21:24:38 funnily enough, the "underclock resistor" seems to be in plac May 11 21:24:40 e May 11 21:25:20 Well, telnet access would confirm what cpuspeed you have May 11 21:25:40 there are several ways to deunderclock the slug May 11 21:25:45 R83 and R64 May 11 21:25:54 as you might see, your slug is missing R64 May 11 21:26:00 darnit these images are not searchable :D May 11 21:26:04 yeah I see May 11 21:27:25 the oscillators seem to be 30 and 25 MHz May 11 21:27:30 yeah May 11 21:27:33 I think the wiki mentioned 33 to be the default ? May 11 21:27:37 there should be a 33.000mhz one too May 11 21:27:48 (which is a design flaw, it should've been 33.333Mhz) May 11 21:27:53 yeah, on the other side May 11 21:29:14 funny, one of the four serial port pins has a hole right through May 11 21:29:28 would this suggest they test it in the factory using a serial port which they unsolder May 11 21:29:32 or just poor soldering May 11 21:29:39 I mean J2 May 11 21:30:12 looks like bad soldering May 11 21:30:59 you should install the unslung firmware to begin with May 11 21:31:10 xkr47: is it still open? May 11 21:31:17 yep May 11 21:31:22 Was wondering what the big intel chip says on it? May 11 21:31:32 dyoung: it doesn't say clockspeed May 11 21:31:38 http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/dscf3718.jpg May 11 21:31:48 PRIXP420BB May 11 21:31:57 L6300226 May 11 21:32:12 Z630T042A May 11 21:32:14 630 KOREA May 11 21:32:20 typical numbers ? May 11 21:32:29 wonder whose thumbprint is on the battery ;-) May 11 21:32:30 I think it's slightly different May 11 21:32:51 are the EtronTech chips the ram chips ? May 11 21:32:55 yeah May 11 21:34:28 anyway, I'd like to confirm your CPUspeed May 11 21:34:32 there's some numbers on the flipside.. "002V0" and below it 94V-0.. elsewhere with reverse digital numbers 0702.. May 11 21:34:36 sure May 11 21:35:01 if you flash unslung, you'll have telnet access May 11 21:35:49 is it easy & safe to swap firmware ? May 11 21:35:56 yeah May 11 21:36:07 how many reflashes can you do May 11 21:36:08 not all firmwares of course, but unslung/stock is easy May 11 21:36:13 Safe! Easy! And Fun!~ May 11 21:36:20 * xkr47 thinks that's probably a FAQ May 11 21:36:36 how many? I think the write cycles is >100.000 May 11 21:36:46 right :) May 11 21:36:53 NOR flash maybe ? May 11 21:36:54 so you can safely reflash a couple of times ;) May 11 21:36:55 yes May 11 21:37:10 * xkr47 thinks he won't close the box when starting it up May 11 21:37:15 or well maybe May 11 21:37:20 it was quite easy to open May 11 21:37:24 indeed May 11 21:37:28 * xkr47 has run a pc in a cardboard box :D May 11 21:37:33 haha May 11 21:38:21 * xkr47 thinks he will boost the "OpenTheCase" page with some pictures of the things described May 11 21:38:29 or will that make people skip the text maybe.. May 11 21:39:35 so, back together.. May 11 21:40:11 http://www.slug-firmware.net/u-dls.php May 11 21:40:25 * xkr47 thanks for the help so far :) May 11 21:40:32 np May 11 21:40:34 6.8 beta ? May 11 21:40:37 yeah May 11 21:41:27 wget did not like the license check May 11 21:41:35 I guess my browser will do the trick :) May 11 21:44:01 my browser thought the binary looked just like a good old web page and took the challenge to render all 6 million characters beautifully on the screen :) May 11 21:44:26 wohoo... ;) May 11 21:45:56 readme here I come.. May 11 21:49:19 Ok sorry was looking that up again. May 11 21:49:24 the BB stepping is 266Mhz. May 11 21:49:43 well at least I don't mind :) May 11 21:49:51 * xkr47 configures 192.168.0.2 May 11 21:50:15 dyoung: sure? May 11 21:50:32 page 52 of the IXP manual says so. May 11 21:50:45 I thought I read B0 stepping elsewhere ? May 11 21:50:53 I thought we didn't figure out what the BB stepping was? May 11 21:50:59 or was that BL? May 11 21:51:01 heh May 11 21:51:04 FWIXP420BB 266 May 11 21:51:08 BC is 400 May 11 21:51:11 BD is 533 May 11 21:51:42 yeah, but this one isn't FWIXP May 11 21:51:52 it's PRIXP May 11 21:51:54 doh, so close :D May 11 21:52:08 xkr47: are you flashing yet? ;)' May 11 21:52:10 oh, so there is chance May 11 21:52:11 heh May 11 21:52:19 I'm reading TelnetIntoRedBoot wiki page May 11 21:53:25 * NAiL goes to bed May 11 21:53:30 noooo May 11 21:53:40 :P May 11 21:53:43 nn May 11 21:56:12 * xkr47 attempts to telnet May 11 21:57:03 doh! I missed the window! I had accidentally written telnet twice :D May 11 21:57:43 RedBoot> May 11 21:57:46 wee May 11 21:59:49 the version dump matches exactly the stuff on the telnet page May 11 22:05:35 hmm May 11 22:09:37 the web interface shows my flash usb stick as "not installed" May 11 22:09:43 so I can't format it :P May 11 22:13:17 you can but you have to use the linksys provided tool for it May 11 22:13:30 windows ? May 11 22:13:38 but to flash, you don't want anything plugged in anyways May 11 22:13:49 yeah, it's a windows tool May 11 22:13:54 :P May 11 22:14:28 that's true, the readme says I only need it if I want to install packages May 11 22:16:47 right... but if you're a 'nix user, you could go to openslug May 11 22:17:35 the reason that unslung is "easy" is that you can flash with unslung, play with it via telnet, flash back to stock or to whatever, and no harm done May 11 22:18:07 I can't flash back the stock if I flash openslug ? May 11 22:18:20 sure May 11 22:18:23 I'm a unix user for 12+ years now :) May 11 22:18:39 but openslug requires you to do some work after the flashing May 11 22:19:24 what os do you suggest ?-) May 11 22:19:47 to have an operational system... because unslung is keeping the basic framework of the stock firmware, unslung <-> stock can be done interchangably with no issue May 11 22:20:04 do you care if you have a http interface for the slug? May 11 22:20:24 if you don't, you can go full blown 'nix box with openslug, debianslug, etc. May 11 22:20:36 I couldn't care less, and I figure I can fix flashing problems through redboot May 11 22:20:49 if you want the linksys interface plus package extendable then unslung May 11 22:21:13 right.... May 11 22:21:15 my idea was simple; to create an alarm clock with mp3 playing and some lcd/led display showing the clock and some buttons to control it May 11 22:21:50 diff between openslug and unslung is in packages and keeping the linksys framework May 11 22:21:55 if I dare solder on the 3 additional usb ports I could plug some nice things like temperature meters I have May 11 22:22:14 more packages for unslung, less for openslug,,, May 11 22:22:57 meaning unslung is dead easy to setup and use (and get back to stock)... openslug requires more time, has less pre-compiled packages but is more customizable May 11 22:23:04 hmm.. the web page says 800+ for unslung and 3500+ for openslug? May 11 22:23:19 (number of packages) May 11 22:23:26 (the FirmwareMatrix page) May 11 22:23:37 oh... sorry... I swapped my more / less there May 11 22:23:41 ;) May 11 22:23:49 * xkr47 appreciates ByronT's help May 11 22:24:11 np May 11 22:24:26 so I'm looking at SlugOS/BE & /LE, GentooSlug and Debian May 11 22:24:45 I was just waiting around for that cat /procinfo.... May 11 22:25:35 hehe May 11 22:26:05 I btw enabled telnet via the stock firmware/os but the admin/admin account just throws me out and I didn't find the root pass (yet) May 11 22:26:25 which in itself conflicts with the FirmwareMatrix statign "Telnet support: no" for the stock kernel May 11 22:26:28 with unslung, root p/w is by default uNSLUng May 11 22:26:37 yeah.. but I don't have that :) May 11 22:26:58 maybe nobody cared to crack the linksys password :) May 11 22:27:01 (that's why we were saying you could do the cat /procinfo.... quickly by flashing unslung) May 11 22:27:08 it's been cracked May 11 22:27:16 sure I can flash unslung May 11 22:27:36 if you stay with me a bit longer to help me choose between the four non-linksys-based options May 11 22:27:42 it's based on the MAC address May 11 22:27:50 hehe May 11 22:28:07 well I'll flash away so I don't need to fiddle May 11 22:28:35 :) May 11 22:28:46 so I guess I just feed the firmware to the web interface.. or should I get the unix tool while I'm at it (it would have those nice progress bars if I got it right9 May 11 22:29:27 web interface is faster for that first time... but you'll need to get use to upslug or the sercomm tool May 11 22:29:35 or tftp with redboot, etc.... May 11 22:29:59 I'll avoid redboot if I can, don't want to brick-by-typo May 11 22:30:22 nice, gentoo has a package for upslug2 May 11 22:32:42 hmmmmmm.. the upslug2 is marked "unstable" on my amd64 platform May 11 22:33:02 * xkr47 hopes upslug2 does not use the "long" type May 11 22:34:48 hmm.. it says "upslug2" will list the nslu2 machines in "upgrade" mode.. but my nslu2 is in normal booted-up mode May 11 22:34:55 and upslug2 still lists it.. May 11 22:35:14 what do the LEDs show? May 11 22:35:23 ready + ethernet (both green) May 11 22:35:28 hmmm May 11 22:35:42 <- not an upslug user.... May 11 22:35:47 what do you use :) May 11 22:36:01 usually the sercomm tool May 11 22:36:17 or tftp if I'm forced to use the wife's iMac May 11 22:36:24 unfamiliar to me.. does sercomm use j2 ? May 11 22:36:38 it's a windows tool May 11 22:36:43 ah :) May 11 22:36:54 now nslu2-linux stopped responding :P May 11 22:37:09 you go into redboot, type upgrade and then use the sercomm tool to perform the upgrade May 11 22:37:22 ok.. May 11 22:37:57 * xkr47 uses google cache May 11 22:39:49 whee, upgrade mode activated by reset button May 11 22:40:11 I never had enough patience to get that to work.... May 11 22:40:21 does it use the 192.168.0.1 address in this mode? or does it use raw ethernet ? May 11 22:40:30 I serialized mine pretty quickly May 11 22:40:38 yeah, redboot home.... May 11 22:40:40 [no NSLU2 machines found in upgrade mode] May 11 22:41:22 redboot home at 192.168.0.1 (unless you have serial access, which means that you can change the ip in redboot) May 11 22:41:40 right thanks, I didn't get that "redboot home" May 11 22:41:51 :) May 11 22:42:40 hmm May 11 22:42:46 the ethernet light is not on, does that care May 11 22:42:52 it still can't find the slug May 11 22:43:07 in redboot, only the power/status blinks May 11 22:43:10 it does not respond to 192.168.0.1 May 11 22:43:21 yeah it flashes red/green alternatingly now May 11 22:43:46 so, it's in upgrade mode.... waiting for upslug/sercomm/tftp May 11 22:43:51 at 192.168.0.1 May 11 22:43:52 hmm my switch does not show link either May 11 22:44:00 aaargh May 11 22:44:06 the ethernet cable had half-unplugged :D May 11 22:44:14 that's better :) May 11 22:44:53 there goes upgrade May 11 22:45:09 it's erasing the poor little thing May 11 22:46:09 I see that three dots of 64 are reserved for redboot & sysconf May 11 22:46:41 Rebooting... done May 11 22:49:15 Version: V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta May 11 22:49:22 good deal May 11 22:50:15 6.3 megs free! May 11 22:50:50 # cat /proc/cpuinfo May 11 22:50:51 Processor : XScale-IXP425/IXC1100 rev 1 (v5b) May 11 22:50:51 BogoMIPS : 263.78 May 11 22:50:51 Features : swp half thumb fastmult edsp May 11 22:50:51 Hardware : Intel IXDP425 Development Platform May 11 22:50:53 Revision : 0000 May 11 22:50:56 Serial : 0000000000000000 May 11 22:51:01 my serial!!! nooo!! May 11 22:52:54 that shows for everyone... May 11 22:53:37 is the cpuinfo normal ?-) May 11 22:53:43 yep May 11 22:53:49 no overclocking needed for you May 11 22:53:56 yeah.. 02/2007 device May 11 22:54:15 which means that the pastebin.ca we saw yesterday was most likely a hoax May 11 22:54:32 I missed it. May 11 22:55:15 someone showed one with a 533.something bogomips May 11 22:55:22 hehe May 11 22:55:30 maybe they swapped the cpu ;-) May 11 22:55:31 saying that their's was manufactured in Jan 07 May 11 22:56:06 or they simply altered the text before posting at pastebin.... (easier May 11 22:56:14 ;) May 11 22:57:01 AwayNAiL, see cpuinfo above :) May 11 22:57:28 wee now it detects my usb flash stick!! May 11 22:57:35 way to go unslung May 11 22:58:51 624 root 1920 S sh -c /usr/bin/mkfs.ext3 -m 1 /dev/sda2 May 11 22:59:59 heh now it's running "sleep 4" May 11 23:00:28 xkr47: Got an ixp42x dev kit? May 11 23:00:47 nothing yet.. I want to know everything :) May 11 23:00:54 I'm running unslung 6.8 beta now May 11 23:01:48 heading out... later all May 11 23:01:58 thx ByronT ! May 11 23:02:08 xl0, so tell me May 11 23:05:29 I'm lost in thought, what "so tell me" should mean... May 11 23:08:38 about the dev kit :) May 11 23:10:12 Yes, I understand, but I totally miss the meaning. May 11 23:10:36 ok :P May 11 23:13:31 strange.. when I go to the Disk page in the web, it first shows "Formatted (ext3)" but then switches to "Not installed" a few seconds later May 11 23:17:05 firefox shows it properly May 11 23:18:27 it seems to have created a 128M swap partition May 11 23:23:39 now the readme wants me to register to yahoo :O May 11 23:28:48 heck, you helped me unslung my nslu2, I can do this :) May 11 23:34:56 xkr47, what is the size of your stick? May 11 23:35:01 2G May 11 23:35:56 native formated with the nslu? May 11 23:37:10 yes May 11 23:37:13 from gui May 11 23:37:54 I recall the debian installer talked about the swap size May 11 23:39:18 ok now I'm a member :) May 12 00:56:46 woo, emacs runs fine **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 12 02:59:56 2007