**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 02 02:59:56 2007
Jul 02 05:57:01 <oleo> kenjo: I am running Transmission daemon 0.80-svn (2220) and did not notice any problems!
Jul 02 08:53:56 <NSLU2-IRC> hi to everyone, is anyone uses unslug on nslu2 with transmission package for torrent downloading?
Jul 02 08:56:13 <NSLU2-IRC> my problem is that the previous version was working fine then i upgrade to transmission_0.7+r2220-1_armeb.ipk and now i get an error message for every torrent in my torrent list
Jul 02 08:59:43 <oleo> what message?
Jul 02 09:06:37 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * r890 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.18/ (10 files): Backported later versions of the existing patches, imported fsg patch from Freecom (it's GPL), removed the DEPRECATED flag cause this patchset is required for good FSG3 support at the moment.
Jul 02 09:53:32 <CIA-8> 03oleo * r6348 10optware/trunk/make/transmission.mk: transmission: r2220->r2274 - recheck fix try 2
Jul 02 13:23:49 <bruno_> hi
Jul 02 13:24:16 <bruno_> what currently is the best distro for nas devices_
Jul 02 13:25:42 <bruno_> also i have been looking for information on native compilation with optware-devel
Jul 02 13:39:33 <rwhitby> bruno_: Re fsg-3 development
Jul 02 13:39:42 <bruno_> ok
Jul 02 13:39:58 <rwhitby> If you want to develop for the freecom v3 firmware, just use optware cross compilation
Jul 02 13:40:06 <bruno_> i am trying to figure out how to start
Jul 02 13:40:20 <bruno_> the optware-devel packages or snapgear?
Jul 02 13:40:29 <rwhitby> nslu2-linux.org, master makefile, make optware-fsg3
Jul 02 13:40:55 <rwhitby> note that it is cross compilation, not native compilation.
Jul 02 13:41:59 <rwhitby> if you are happy enough with the wireless stability of the v3 firmware, and just want to install some packages, just use optware with the vendor firmware.  Trouble is if there is anything that requires a kernel module, then you're out of luck.
Jul 02 13:42:36 <bruno_> yup
Jul 02 13:42:42 <bruno_> ppp for the eciadsl drivers
Jul 02 13:43:05 <bruno_> which is already done in the debian distro
Jul 02 13:43:25 <rwhitby> do you need wireless?
Jul 02 13:43:29 <bruno_> my system is kubuntu 7.04
Jul 02 13:43:30 <bruno_> yes
Jul 02 13:43:35 <bruno_> i do
Jul 02 13:44:12 <rwhitby> best you can do then is replace the wifi miniPCI card and get a slugos kernel running on it and then debootstrap to debian.
Jul 02 13:45:11 <rwhitby> (that is unless I get this 2.6.18 kernel working, and then forward-port the sata-via and other changes to 2.6.22+
Jul 02 13:45:54 <bruno_> anyway i can help?
Jul 02 13:46:10 <rwhitby> what's your experience level?
Jul 02 13:46:46 <bruno_> i can program, did it for the gameboy advance, c++/c, arm assembler
Jul 02 13:46:56 <bruno_> linux still fighting with it
Jul 02 13:47:07 <bruno_> but gentoo is helping me to learn a lot
Jul 02 13:47:15 <bruno_> have dual boot gentoo and kubuntu
Jul 02 13:47:15 <rwhitby> first thing you need is a serial port on the fsg3.  Then you need to be able to understand how linux kernel drivers work.
Jul 02 13:48:31 <rwhitby> until we get the kernel working, there's not a lot to be done in userland.
Jul 02 13:49:22 <bruno_> any howtos on the serial port? i though that was just for flashing the boot
Jul 02 13:49:24 <rwhitby> once freecom release the 4.x firmware, there might be a chance to debootstrap debian from that.  but that still won't solve the wifi problem.
Jul 02 13:49:45 <rwhitby> it's pretty much impossible to debug kernel drivers without serial.
Jul 02 13:52:20 <bruno_> which version of monotone should i use?
Jul 02 13:54:27 <bruno_> i will look into getting a serial port on it
Jul 02 13:55:24 <bruno_> where can i get info on the kernel drivers?
Jul 02 13:56:40 <bruno_> apparently it is in it
Jul 02 14:01:26 <rwhitby> kernel stuff is in svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/kernel/trunk
Jul 02 14:02:08 <rwhitby> that is then used by OpenEmbedded for SlugOS (that's when you need monotone, and any version since 0.28 will do
Jul 02 14:02:44 <bruno_> got 0.31
Jul 02 14:03:36 <bruno_> did you wire the serial port yourself?
Jul 02 14:09:49 <bruno_> or purchased a serial to usb?
Jul 02 14:16:09 <bruno_> ok
Jul 02 14:16:27 <bruno_> rwhitby, i found some info in the serial cable
Jul 02 14:16:42 <bruno_> and how to telnet into redboot
Jul 02 14:17:11 <bruno_> just a couple of questions:
Jul 02 14:17:32 <bruno_> 1 : by replacing the kernel images, can we brick the device?
Jul 02 14:17:52 <bruno_> 2: if we do is it possible to flash it using the recover utility?
Jul 02 14:18:27 <rwhitby> bruno_: you can't telnet into redboot on fsg3
Jul 02 14:18:48 <rwhitby> as long as you have serial, you can replace kernel at will without fear of bricking.
Jul 02 14:18:58 <bruno_> nice
Jul 02 14:19:19 <rwhitby> I found a source for the little serial connector, and a mate of mine sent it to me.
Jul 02 14:19:38 <bruno_> regarding the master makefile, i did not see any fsg3 stuff on the page 
Jul 02 14:20:00 <bruno_> also i found a mini pci atheros chipset card for 28 £
Jul 02 14:20:15 <rwhitby> yep, that's because it's not well supported yet.  I've only just begun working on it.
Jul 02 14:21:32 <bruno_> apparently inside the fsg there is another sata connector
Jul 02 14:23:35 <rwhitby> yep
Jul 02 14:27:15 <bruno_> i saw a picture of the jtag out
Jul 02 14:28:34 <rwhitby> yeah, I know where the jtag is if I ever need it.
Jul 02 14:28:34 <bruno_> what is the best way to wire it out?
Jul 02 14:28:44 <rwhitby> I'm not intending to.
Jul 02 14:29:16 <rwhitby> but it has a mini-pitch IDC header, which you could easily connect some ribbon cable to if you can source a header with the right pitch
Jul 02 14:31:45 <bruno_> i'll stick to the simple stuff
Jul 02 14:33:12 <rwhitby> I just upload new kernels via serial (using minicom) and the flash them to the kern2 partition, and use the sda2 disk partition for the correspoding rootfs.  That way I can easily revert to vendor firmware and rootfs.  Freecom were smart enough to put partition redundancy in there for ease of update.
Jul 02 14:34:27 <bruno_> the backup partition
Jul 02 14:34:34 <bruno_> so that is why its there
Jul 02 14:35:12 <rwhitby> yep, both in mtd and on the disk.
Jul 02 14:35:25 <bruno_> in regards to the serial port, i saw some links to buy some kits
Jul 02 14:35:43 <rwhitby> I have also been able to extract the recovery kernel and rootfs that the update uses, and can force it to repartition the disk if necessary.
Jul 02 14:36:14 <rwhitby> (so a larger disk replacement is now possible)
Jul 02 14:36:25 <bruno_> larger that 500 gbs?
Jul 02 14:36:44 <rwhitby> dunno
Jul 02 14:36:50 <rwhitby> no reason why not
Jul 02 14:37:18 <bruno_> any recomendations on serial kits?
Jul 02 14:38:13 <rwhitby> compsys
Jul 02 14:38:26 <xl0> Is it possible to use the second uart on the nslu?
Jul 02 14:38:27 <rwhitby> the one that fits inside the DB9 shell
Jul 02 14:38:41 <rwhitby> xl0: only for input, not output.
Jul 02 14:38:52 <rwhitby> details are on the wiki
Jul 02 14:39:18 <bruno_> the max 232
Jul 02 14:39:40 <bruno_> 3v or 5 v version?
Jul 02 14:40:35 <bruno_> there is also the  A232DBCT (5v or 3.3v)
Jul 02 14:40:46 <rwhitby> bruno_: 3.3V
Jul 02 14:41:19 <bruno_> ok, i am looking at your page now
Jul 02 14:43:22 <xl0> rwhitby: Only the CTS2 signal, not rx?
Jul 02 14:43:53 <rwhitby> xl0: whatever the wiki says, I know nothing more.
Jul 02 14:47:02 <bruno_> rwhitby: is the procedure the same for the fsg?
Jul 02 14:47:56 <rwhitby> bruno_: which procedure?
Jul 02 14:48:32 <bruno_> to mount attach the serial cable
Jul 02 14:50:24 <rwhitby> no, you need to work that out from the pinout
Jul 02 14:51:13 <bruno_> this kit will be hard to come by in the UK
Jul 02 14:53:27 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * r891 10kernel/trunk/Makefile: Made the modules tarball creation more robust
Jul 02 14:54:18 <rwhitby> bruno_: compsys sends the serial kits world-wide no problem.
Jul 02 14:54:29 <rwhitby> it's the little connector on the fsg3 which is the problem.
Jul 02 14:58:08 <bruno_> still need to open the box up
Jul 02 14:58:23 <rwhitby> yep
Jul 02 14:58:36 <rwhitby> can't hack the kernel without opening the box.
Jul 02 15:01:06 <bruno_> just to make sure
Jul 02 15:01:14 <bruno_> it is this one ->A232DBHCT3V Max232 
Jul 02 15:01:50 <bruno_> or AD232DBH 
Jul 02 15:03:34 <bruno_> New! A232DBCT same as the above but it includes the CTS/RTS lines
Jul 02 15:03:49 <bruno_> it is the only difference between the two
Jul 02 15:04:17 <rwhitby> bruno_: can you ask ka6sox that question (he's here on freenode - just /msg him)
Jul 02 15:06:18 <Bruce_Loco> ok
Jul 02 15:06:22 <rwhitby> there he is now
Jul 02 15:06:26 <Bruce_Loco> nice
Jul 02 15:06:36 <Bruce_Loco> I had to reg to send a message
Jul 02 15:06:37 <ka6sox-laptop> morning
Jul 02 15:06:40 <ka6sox-laptop> brb..coffee is done
Jul 02 15:06:52 <Bruce_Loco> hi
Jul 02 15:07:02 <ka6sox-laptop> morning
Jul 02 15:07:37 <Bruce_Loco> ka6sox-laptop, should i buy the ad232dbhct3v or the a232dbh?
Jul 02 15:07:54 <Bruce_Loco> the only difference is that the second has RTS/CTS
Jul 02 15:10:47 <Bruce_Loco> this is to have a serial interface to my Freecom FSG3
Jul 02 15:11:19 <ka6sox-laptop> Bruce_Loco, I used the 3.3V one
Jul 02 15:12:28 <ka6sox-laptop> Bruce_Loco, is there a debian image for the FSG?
Jul 02 15:12:56 <Bruce_Loco> to some extent yes
Jul 02 15:13:20 <rwhitby> ka6sox-laptop: I should be able to debootstrap from this angstrom rootfs I have running now
Jul 02 15:13:39 <rwhitby> might even be able to use vendor binary modules for the wlan driver.
Jul 02 15:14:25 <ka6sox-laptop> okay that sounds good.
Jul 02 15:14:29 <Bruce_Loco> i just want to know what is the difference between the two
Jul 02 15:14:38 <Bruce_Loco> http://www.compsys1.com/workbench/On_top_of_the_Bench/Max233_Adapter/max233_adapter.html
Jul 02 15:14:55 <ka6sox-laptop> iirc one is a 3.3v module and the other one is 5v
Jul 02 15:16:00 <Bruce_Loco> A232DBCT3V (3.3v) with RTS/CTS, A232DBH3v samething without
Jul 02 15:16:09 <Bruce_Loco> do i need RTS/CTS?
Jul 02 15:16:36 <ka6sox-laptop> no
Jul 02 15:16:48 <ka6sox-laptop> I did a 3 wire implementation
Jul 02 15:16:57 <Bruce_Loco> ok
Jul 02 15:17:22 <ka6sox-laptop> TXD/RXD/GND (and Vcc too from the FSG on pin 9)
Jul 02 15:19:09 <Bruce_Loco> it is quite impressive what it is possible to do with the FSG
Jul 02 15:19:19 <Bruce_Loco> a couple of mods done into it
Jul 02 15:19:25 <Bruce_Loco> rwhitby
Jul 02 15:19:37 <Bruce_Loco> would it be possible to dual boot?
Jul 02 15:20:07 <rwhitby> what do you mean by dual boot?
Jul 02 15:21:01 <Bruce_Loco> keeping the fsg firmware as it is and be given the option so go into developer mode to work on the debian version and get drivers working and test it
Jul 02 15:21:23 <rwhitby> sure, that's what I'm doing right now
Jul 02 15:21:37 <Bruce_Loco> good, my girlfriend would kill me otherwise
Jul 02 15:24:03 <Bruce_Loco> which version of the kernel are you working on?
Jul 02 15:24:12 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * r892 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.18-fsg3/ (. 10-remove-intel-drivers.patch KERNEL defconfig series): Patchset for fsg3 vendor kernel building
Jul 02 15:24:14 <rwhitby> 2.6.18
Jul 02 15:24:31 <rwhitby> (from the alpha 4.x firmware)
Jul 02 15:26:01 <Bruce_Loco> isnt that the firmware they  are promising for a year now?
Jul 02 15:26:50 <rwhitby> yep
Jul 02 15:27:48 <ka6sox-laptop> time for me to go to work...bbiaw
Jul 02 15:27:58 <rwhitby> time for me to go to bed
Jul 02 15:28:05 <Bruce_Loco> ok
Jul 02 15:28:06 <ka6sox-laptop> nn rwhitby 
Jul 02 15:28:16 <Bruce_Loco> thats rwhitby
Jul 02 15:28:20 <ka6sox-laptop> (late for him!0
Jul 02 15:28:23 <Bruce_Loco> thanks i meant
Jul 02 15:28:36 <Bruce_Loco> thank you too ka6sox
Jul 02 15:28:51 <ka6sox-laptop> np..I'm a hardware hacker :D
Jul 02 15:29:29 <Bruce_Loco> wish I could know more
Jul 02 15:29:41 <Bruce_Loco> you also have an fsg3 ka6sox?
Jul 02 15:30:08 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * r893 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.18/ (96-fsg3-support.patch defconfig): Edging closer to fsg3 support
Jul 02 15:31:15 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * r894 10kernel/trunk/Makefile: Makefile recipe for fsg3
Jul 02 15:31:43 <Bruce_Loco> CIA-8
Jul 02 15:32:24 <Bruce_Loco> where can I get the sources and patches for the kernel build for the FSG3 Debian
Jul 02 15:32:24 <rwhitby> Bruce_Loco: CIA-8 is http://cia.vc/
Jul 02 15:33:07 <Bruce_Loco> ok, its a bot
Jul 02 15:33:31 <ka6sox-laptop> Bruce_Loco, I have 4 slugs, 1DSMG600A, 1 DSMG600B, 1Loft, 2 NAS100D, 
Jul 02 15:33:55 <Bruce_Loco> now that is hardware hacking
Jul 02 15:34:13 <ka6sox-laptop> rwhitby, I have a dsmg and FSG cable back.
Jul 02 15:34:38 <Bruce_Loco> any info on memory upgrading the intel boards that these suckers use?
Jul 02 15:34:51 <rwhitby> ka6sox-laptop: it came back?
Jul 02 15:35:13 <ka6sox-laptop> the next door neighbor calle me and said its baaaaaaaaaaaack.
Jul 02 15:35:55 <ka6sox-laptop> the address tag with the TO: address was 1/2 torn off.
Jul 02 15:36:00 <rwhitby> ka6sox-laptop: did it come anywhere near australia?
Jul 02 15:36:09 <ka6sox-laptop> I haven't seen it.
Jul 02 15:36:14 <rwhitby> (and did you get your money back?)
Jul 02 15:36:16 <ka6sox-laptop> I'll report when you wake tup.
Jul 02 15:36:27 <ka6sox-laptop> my credit card has been reimbursed.
Jul 02 15:53:54 <Bruce_Loco> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/FattenYourSlug
Jul 02 15:55:01 <Bruce_Loco> can this be done with the FSG as well?
Jul 02 16:10:20 <ka6sox-laptop> haven't looked at it yet.
Jul 02 16:11:38 <ka6sox-laptop> time for me to head off to work.
Jul 02 16:11:39 <ka6sox-laptop> bbiaw
Jul 02 16:12:29 <Bruce_Loco> thanks for all your info
Jul 02 19:40:24 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * r6349 10optware/trunk/make/py-lxml.mk: py-lxml: 1.3 -> 1.3.1
Jul 02 19:47:54 <mumptai> hi
Jul 02 21:14:44 <Bruce_Loco> hi
Jul 02 21:15:33 <Bruce_Loco> I have some questions regarding redboot
Jul 02 21:16:45 <Bruce_Loco> 1 - how does it recognise the Kernel images put into it?
Jul 02 21:16:58 <Bruce_Loco> 2 - Can parameter be passed into it?
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