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Mar 08 04:16:08 <CIA-64> 03bzhou * r9712 10optware/trunk/make/libcurl.mk: libcurl: 7.19.3 -> 7.19.4
Mar 08 11:48:57 <kjdro> hi there... i just bought a nslu2 ... so excited about it and decided to install debian on it ... but having trouble to untar the debian files to the usb device.. usb flash disk
Mar 08 11:49:31 <kjdro> copying speed is verry damn low.. takes a day to copy debian base system to it
Mar 08 11:50:07 <kjdro> and i'm trying to copy it on my desktop under ubuntu 8.10 live cd
Mar 08 11:52:23 <kjdro> ppl.. here may have had this problem and maybe they solved it ??? dont they ?
Mar 08 12:07:23 <Reedy> why not put the flash image onto the nslu2 and install like that?
Mar 08 12:10:12 <kjdro> well .. cus not enogh memory ...
Mar 08 12:10:20 <kjdro> enough 
Mar 08 12:10:39 <kjdro> i even solved the parted part . manually
Mar 08 12:10:58 <kjdro> but still i get error when installer try's to copy the instalation files
Mar 08 12:16:08 <Reedy> You can manually partition the drive and even allocate swap to get round the memory issue
Mar 08 12:20:35 <kjdro> but it didnt work...
Mar 08 12:20:49 <kjdro> so i decided to try and manually copy everthing 
Mar 08 12:28:56 <Reedy> you still need the flash image sorting (as you may or may not  have read)
Mar 08 12:29:02 <Reedy> just putting files on the disk wont make it work
Mar 08 12:29:18 <kjdro> what flash image.. ?
Mar 08 12:30:35 <kjdro> are you refering to the image of the installer .. i didnt quite understand...
Mar 08 12:30:58 <kjdro> this is wath i did: 
Mar 08 12:31:01 <kjdro> so far..
Mar 08 12:31:59 <kjdro> i uploaded using the nslu original flshing tool the debina flash installer... (followed the guide)
Mar 08 12:32:07 <kjdro> and after that i started installing....
Mar 08 12:33:02 <kjdro> saw that parted failed.. closed terminal and ended installation... so after a few tryes .. i partitioned the flash disk
Mar 08 12:33:24 <kjdro> made: root partition and a swap partition
Mar 08 12:33:39 <kjdro> used the nslu swapon commnad and still nothing...
Mar 08 12:34:33 <kjdro> the final stage that i got to was installing the bases sitem in the installer menu.. witch erored out after completing 1% .. other words nothing
Mar 08 12:35:07 <kjdro> problewm is i dont have any hdd drive space , and dont want to install an external hdd on the nslu
Mar 08 12:35:23 <Reedy> what size flash disk?
Mar 08 12:35:24 <kjdro> i'm plainig to use the nslu2 as a home automation server... 
Mar 08 12:35:26 <kjdro> 4Gb
Mar 08 12:35:52 <kjdro> then i followed the guid of manually untaring the base sistem
Mar 08 12:36:05 <kjdro> witch took ages.. and i canceled it a few times..
Mar 08 12:36:21 <kjdro> then i decided to use mc's copy so i could see the progress ...
Mar 08 12:36:45 <kjdro> but as it turns out .. it might not work... cus the symlink thing...
Mar 08 12:37:34 <kjdro> well .. this final solution i'w coose has the problem that writing to usb flash drive in ubuntu is a real pain in the ass.... 
Mar 08 12:37:59 <kjdro> started copy progres at 9:00 am and now it's 14:32 am and it's only 45% copied
Mar 08 12:38:51 <kjdro> it seems to be a bug in ubuntu ... cant copy to usb faster .. some old bug been around for ages.. (more then 2 years)
Mar 08 12:46:03 <kjdro> i symply dont know why flash drives difffer .. and why in windows they work and in linux they dont...
Mar 08 12:47:19 <Reedy> cause linux != windows
Mar 08 12:47:29 <kjdro> i know..
Mar 08 12:47:46 <kjdro> was talking about ... drivers and thigs flash hardware
Mar 08 13:52:16 <ShadowJK> type: mount
Mar 08 13:52:26 <ShadowJK> make sure that there's no "sync" listed on the line with the flash drive
Mar 08 13:52:48 <ShadowJK> that slows down things alot, but it makes it "safe" in the way that the filesystem isn't corrupted if you pull the stick randomly
Mar 08 14:06:25 <kjdro> shadowjk: well tehere is only rw listed... thx for the tip
Mar 08 14:06:37 <kjdro> but .. dose it really slow down that much >
Mar 08 14:06:38 <kjdro> ?
Mar 08 14:07:25 <ShadowJK> yes
Mar 08 14:07:35 <ShadowJK> Especially on flash
Mar 08 14:08:01 <kjdro> yeah well i just tryed to cancel copy in mc ..
Mar 08 14:08:08 <kjdro> must wait until it will cancel...
Mar 08 14:08:53 <mwester> Maybe you might be happier with a smaller distro for the NSLU2?
Mar 08 14:09:02 <mwester> Perhaps SlugOS will suit you better.
Mar 08 14:09:57 <ShadowJK> I have a sandisk cruzer micro, it's slooooooooooooow for copying many small files :)
Mar 08 14:31:02 <kjdro> mwester : well i basicly need to have a webserver on in... but also a salfe made program in c++ that samples data from a self made interface over serial port
Mar 08 14:31:33 <mwester> SlugOS or OpenWRT will do both.
Mar 08 14:31:57 <kjdro> the webpage will summarize all the information and will permit me to configure some other automated sistems
Mar 08 14:34:08 <kjdro> shadowjK: did mounting whit no sync help out ?
Mar 08 14:34:24 <ShadowJK> a little bit
Mar 08 14:35:34 <kjdro> -< getting curious how flash disk's are made... why there is difference between them ... and which are good ones which are bad ones.. any of you know already the answere ?
Mar 08 14:36:30 <Reedy> Presumably the components and such used in them
Mar 08 14:36:42 <Reedy> You can get the corsair voyager and the voyager GT which is loads faster
Mar 08 14:36:54 <Reedy> so theres something different.. presumably the speed of the memory chips used
Mar 08 14:37:20 <kjdro> yeah ... thx for the tipp
Mar 08 14:37:40 <Reedy> going for some known brand is usually better
Mar 08 14:38:39 <kjdro> HOLLYYY
Mar 08 14:38:41 <kjdro> wow
Mar 08 14:38:42 <kjdro> Corsair 64GB Flash Voyager 
Mar 08 14:38:53 <kjdro> 64 GB !
Mar 08 14:38:55 <kjdro> wow
Mar 08 14:38:56 <Reedy> heh
Mar 08 14:38:57 <Reedy> tis madess
Mar 08 14:39:15 <kjdro> the price as well
Mar 08 14:39:26 <kjdro> 660 /4 = x euros
Mar 08 14:39:47 <kjdro> 165 euros
Mar 08 14:40:13 <Reedy> £148
Mar 08 14:40:35 <Reedy> google reckons < £130 and in some cases < £120 for me
Mar 08 14:40:45 <kjdro> aham...
Mar 08 14:44:33 <kjdro> any idea what's the deal whit corsare survivor flash disks ?
Mar 08 14:44:57 <kjdro> Corsair 8 GB CMFUSBSRVR-8GB Flash Survivor
Mar 08 14:45:16 <kjdro> it's price tag is grater then the voyager one 
Mar 08 14:51:24 <kjdro> if i'd had the money i'd buy something like this: Hard disk notebook A-DATA 32GB SSD SATA-II 2.5 inch
Mar 08 14:51:31 <kjdro> solid stat disk
Mar 08 14:51:35 <kjdro> state
Mar 08 14:54:18 <kjdro> that's the cheapest model i could find
Mar 08 14:56:14 <kjdro> another question arises... what is the power consumption of a ssd disk, much grater then of a flash disk ? and is it samller then of a hdd .. and if yes .. how smaller
Mar 08 14:57:03 <kjdro> i gess this just leave me whit making room on an external hdd..:(( it's 150GB ... let's see what i can wipe
Mar 08 14:57:25 <kjdro> damn linux (or just ubuntu) (have to say it)
Mar 08 16:04:03 <CIA-64> 03bzhou * r9713 10optware/trunk/make/surfraw.mk: surfraw: 2.2.3 -> 2.2.4
Mar 08 18:18:31 <CIA-64> 03bzhou * r9714 10optware/trunk/make/sox.mk: sox: disable external module for now to get flac working
Mar 08 21:38:56 <kjdro> hi there ppl
Mar 08 21:39:23 <kjdro> did anyone do a manual debian install on the slug ?
Mar 08 21:39:45 <kjdro> like manually untar the base system to a flash drive etc.. kinda stuff ?
Mar 08 22:12:15 <CIA-64> 03bzhou * r9715 10optware/trunk/ (Makefile platforms/packages-vt4.mk): bacula: backup suite, added & promoted
Mar 08 23:36:20 <ka6sox-work> kjdro, just the one that tbm did.
Mar 08 23:36:26 <ka6sox-work> I think thats a full up install.
Mar 09 00:51:56 <kjdro> it's been some hours.. since i booted up the slug... maybe till moring it'll finish what it's doing...
Mar 09 00:52:51 <kjdro> question: dose every time, when booting up finish and ssh is enabled and listening ..., debian sounds a beep sequence ?
Mar 09 00:53:20 <kjdro> my eth led is on and sometimes reguraly is flashing for a short per of time
Mar 09 00:53:51 <kjdro> all other leds are offline.. is this a good sign of flash disk checking before boot ?
Mar 09 00:58:13 <ka6sox-work> I admit I don't run debianslug so I'm not sure what lights they support.
Mar 09 01:17:12 <kjdro> could anyone look up a list of detailed led messages for debian based nslu2 .. i kinda lost it ... cant find any good info in google myabe someon else have better luck ...
Mar 09 01:17:13 <kjdro> thx
Mar 09 01:27:37 <kjdro> maybe i flashed it whit the official image and eth is not working
Mar 09 01:28:00 <kjdro> i try to re-flash whit unofficial to use internal eth port
Mar 09 01:31:39 <ka6sox-work> okay
Mar 09 01:31:42 <kjdro> btw-> would it be there a way using the installer shell to manualy finish the install ??? meaning skipping the file copying part ?
Mar 09 01:33:07 <ka6sox-work> dunno, thats probably a question for #debian-arm
Mar 09 01:33:54 <kjdro> geee in 5 hours i'm doue to work... 
Mar 09 01:34:16 <kjdro> it think i'll start the day whit a redbull
Mar 09 01:36:35 <kjdro> unofficial -> situation changed alright... or ?
Mar 09 01:36:59 <kjdro> OK beep !! 3 of them...
Mar 09 01:37:11 <kjdro> ssh working
Mar 09 01:37:21 <kjdro> shit
Mar 09 01:37:25 <kjdro> cant login whit root
Mar 09 01:41:16 <kjdro> ka6sox> are you there ? quick question what do i need to slect from the installer components maybe you know.. i'hav read that it should work whit nothing selected.... i dont know what live-installer: Install the system ... suposed to do
Mar 09 02:14:27 <CIA-64> 03bzhou * r9716 10optware/trunk/make/bacula.mk: bacula: forgot to add .mk file
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