**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 18 23:59:57 2005 May 19 00:15:11 good morning all May 19 00:15:36 jbowler: if you have to bump PR, that's the way it is May 19 00:16:34 koen: thanks, that's what I figured, just annoying to force new packages on every build... May 19 00:16:44 shit happens May 19 00:56:41 morning all May 19 00:58:17 good morning May 19 01:00:02 mickeyl: zecke needs to read your email about testing changes before checking them in ;-) May 19 01:00:14 RP: hehe May 19 01:00:18 RP: did he break anything? May 19 01:00:49 Managed to stop oe working completely... May 19 01:00:55 d'oh May 19 01:00:59 let me check May 19 01:01:04 its fixed May 19 01:01:16 (see my last changeset) May 19 01:01:57 mickeyl: It was a documentation typo with rather nasty side effects May 19 01:02:16 ups May 19 01:02:22 i see :) May 19 01:03:05 Thankfully it was fixed before users started getting ahold of it :) May 19 01:04:15 hmm guess i will help documenting some vars May 19 01:07:29 mickeyl: I'd prefer a comments system that didn't take up memory when using bitbake normally :-/ May 19 01:07:42 Even if we then needed a seperate parser May 19 01:07:45 RP: true enough May 19 01:08:07 I would've voted more for something along my meta data line May 19 01:08:41 mickeyl: I quite like that idea May 19 01:08:51 RP: the build runs fine, until a patch needs to be applied May 19 01:09:31 hey bluelightning May 19 01:09:42 koen: That's ok then, we don't need to apply patches often afterall ;-) May 19 01:09:52 RP: so maybe zecke tested it with the 'wrong' .bb May 19 01:10:55 koen: I know. I'm not being entirely serious. It was just the shear scale of the bug that scared me... May 19 01:11:46 indeed May 19 01:12:05 I fixed it this morning, before I bk pulled May 19 01:12:27 luckily zecke made a typo, so grep only had one hit :) May 19 01:12:46 hi all May 19 01:12:47 hi koen May 19 01:13:56 koen: I just checked the last changesets as I knew it had to be something in the last handful of them. The typo did help to spot it :) May 19 01:15:35 03koen 07 * r1.3342 10openembedded/conf/documentation.conf: documentation.conf: typo-- May 19 01:19:00 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3343 10openembedded/conf/documentation.conf: May 19 01:19:01 Merge bk://oe-devel@oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded May 19 01:19:01 into r2d2.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de:/local/pkg/oe/packages May 19 01:19:03 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3341.1.1 10openembedded/conf/documentation.conf: document some attributes May 19 01:26:14 morning all May 19 01:26:22 hey hrw|work May 19 01:26:26 how was the movie? May 19 01:26:47 great May 19 01:26:57 more action May 19 01:27:31 finally I know why Vader lost eyebrows in ROTJ dvd edition May 19 01:28:58 more dynamic scenes (atleast more then in classic trilogy - I dont remember when watched episode I, II) May 19 01:29:24 Yoda fights looks nice May 19 01:33:22 and there are many references to next episodes May 19 01:35:15 and one thing was strange for me.. so called 'Star wars scroll' at the beggining of the movie was translated to Polish (rest of movie was with subtitles) May 19 01:38:35 let's hope it isn't in Polish over here :) May 19 01:39:41 :) May 19 01:42:25 03koen 07 * r1.3342.1.1 10openembedded/packages/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.2.13.bb: fakeroot_1.2.13.bb: new fakeroot. Someone more knowledgeable should update fakeroot-native, since that one has a patch in the previous version May 19 01:42:48 * koen finds bugzilla a *lot* easier to use than RT May 19 01:44:49 * RP agrees May 19 01:52:06 I need sleep.. May 19 01:54:39 5h is not enough for me May 19 01:56:12 glade doesn't build: May 19 01:56:13 | glade/.libs/libglade-2.0.so: undefined reference to `inflate' May 19 01:56:35 Is this a zlib link error? May 19 01:56:37 missing -lz? May 19 01:57:41 -lz is not there. May 19 01:58:40 what should I modify/add to the .bb ? May 19 01:59:11 LDFLAGS +=" -lz " May 19 01:59:25 hm May 19 01:59:26 if that doesn't works use CFLAGS +=" -lz " May 19 01:59:39 the questions what buildsystem glade has May 19 01:59:55 one off the two worked for me in the past May 19 01:59:56 and why it doesnt use libz May 19 02:00:03 autoconf May 19 02:00:08 hehe May 19 02:00:14 all gnomestuff is aututooled May 19 02:00:15 than it should find libz May 19 02:00:38 yeah, it should May 19 02:00:49 in configure stage and bail out when not May 19 02:00:57 *if* it has a chack for it May 19 02:01:02 yeah May 19 02:01:09 ehm, check even May 19 02:01:23 damnit developers *g* May 19 02:02:02 morning May 19 02:02:11 hi lardman May 19 02:03:22 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3345 10openembedded/ (10 files in 3 dirs): add fakeroot-native 1.2.13 and remove outdated ones May 19 02:03:56 hi mickeyl *g* May 19 02:04:03 This is what configure got: May 19 02:04:05 checking LIBGLADE_LIBS... -L/var/src/openembedded/tmp//staging/arm-linux/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 May 19 02:04:17 mithro: could you close the bug in bugzilla too? May 19 02:04:18 and -lz is not there. May 19 02:04:20 aargh May 19 02:04:28 s/mithro/mickeyl/ May 19 02:04:45 koen: i don't think i have those rights yet May 19 02:04:57 a login is enough May 19 02:04:59 hi woglinde May 19 02:05:04 mickeyl: I'll close it May 19 02:05:20 hi lardman May 19 02:05:36 I seemed to have a surprising number of rights in bugzilla yesterday :) May 19 02:05:46 koen: yes, please make that distro instead of openzaurus May 19 02:06:23 mickeyl: we'll have to ask treke to do that May 19 02:06:23 so what time did you see Star Wars hrw? May 19 02:06:36 I'll poke him when california wakes up May 19 02:06:42 lardman: 00:01 CEST May 19 02:06:52 k May 19 02:06:52 or s/CEST/GMT+2 May 19 02:06:58 iirc May 19 02:07:24 finished 0.5l coffee and still sleeping May 19 02:08:13 hrw|work :) May 19 02:09:20 hehe May 19 02:09:24 good idea, btw. May 19 02:09:32 hehe May 19 02:09:33 * mickeyl searches more coffee May 19 02:10:12 what should I do with this glib borkage? Mail PB? File a bug in OE bugzilla ? May 19 02:10:20 glade* May 19 02:11:12 either one should work May 19 02:11:57 boti fix the configure script May 19 02:12:42 woglinde: if I fix it for myself, that won't help for the rest of the world. May 19 02:13:07 boit ah okay May 19 02:13:54 who has the power to edit the oe.org website? May 19 02:14:37 if i hadn't lost my login May 19 02:14:38 me May 19 02:14:39 :) May 19 02:14:48 we can add jlime and the University of Twente to http://openembedded.org/success.php May 19 02:14:49 it looks like I will create new folder in mail.. OE bugs May 19 02:15:55 mickeyl: login? I though hh.org uses keybased auth May 19 02:16:58 yes, but we have a CMS running there don't we ? May 19 02:19:30 mickeyl: oh, I didn't know that May 19 02:23:52 when I do force compile like bitbake -f -c compile -b .... do I need force install, and package.. or I can do force package only? May 19 02:25:51 ~lart gnumeric authors for preferences in 'format' menu May 19 02:25:52 * ibot slams gnumeric authors against a large cement Tux for preferences in 'format' menu May 19 02:25:53 no idea, but I'd go for the -c install -c package May 19 02:26:21 koen: ok thks... May 19 02:31:33 I'm trying to make a .bb for libanthy, but there is a binary (to generate install data) that fails to execute, because it is cross-compiled. The debian mainainer solved this by executing this in postinst, but I don't think it's nice. Any suggestions? May 19 02:32:10 maybe an anthy-native May 19 02:32:18 hi guys May 19 02:32:28 has anyone got a binary of a non-kdrive Xserver to hand ? May 19 02:32:56 only for x86 May 19 02:32:56 b0ti|work: or look how mplayer has codec-cfg build May 19 02:33:13 If I look hard maybe for sparc and mips too May 19 02:33:14 darn May 19 02:33:34 koen: whats the package name of a normal (non kdrive) X in oe ? May 19 02:33:42 xserver-xorg iirc May 19 02:33:51 ta May 19 02:34:08 koen: Kdrive managed to totally stiff the e330 May 19 02:34:22 no surprise there May 19 02:34:32 I'm debugging the tslib handling right now May 19 02:34:35 koen: I managed to make it start and run long enough to start a remote session on it May 19 02:34:51 koen: you found it locks up other machiens solid? May 19 02:35:01 does that have an mq chip? May 19 02:35:11 yes, however Im using vsfb on it right now May 19 02:35:18 ah May 19 02:35:37 we have also seen occasional cases of w100 chips getting upset (whitescreening) May 19 02:35:38 2.6 on a h5550 locks solid after 30secs of lcd usage May 19 02:35:49 any idea why? May 19 02:38:20 no clue whatever May 19 02:38:31 is that LCD usage or X ? May 19 02:38:37 ie. does fbcon work ? May 19 02:40:29 lcd usage May 19 02:40:45 hm. thats a dif. problem then May 19 02:40:54 fbcon works indefinately here May 19 02:52:01 If I do "inherit native", the whole package will be built native right? And I only have this one binary that needs to be native. May 19 02:56:17 yes, the whole package May 19 02:56:28 so either build the host tool manually May 19 02:56:36 hey May 19 02:56:37 (${HOST_CC} ...) May 19 02:56:41 hi zecke May 19 02:56:42 or factor the binary out May 19 02:56:55 and make the package depend on the native tool May 19 02:58:03 hi zecke May 19 03:17:54 I'll just make a native package that prepares the data file (dictionary file) and puts it in an ipk. The binary itself is not needed. May 19 03:17:57 Now how should I change the source directory name to mach with the bb so that the build succeeds? May 19 03:18:11 s/mach/match/ May 19 03:19:10 S = "${WORKDIR}/bla" May 19 03:19:14 something like that? May 19 04:55:22 I will add libts 20050505 into OZ upgrades to get libqte2/akita working May 19 05:12:04 hrw|work: with a different ts.conf or what was broken? May 19 05:12:31 libqte2 depends on a newer version May 19 05:12:37 libqte2/akita from upgrades depends on libts 20050505 which is not available in feed May 19 05:13:06 s/is/was ;) May 19 05:14:07 ah ok May 19 05:18:56 zecke: Did you notice my fix to oe? :) May 19 05:23:28 RP: oops May 19 05:23:35 I though I have looked carefully May 19 05:24:05 zecke: At least it was easily fixed :) May 19 05:24:13 ~hail typos May 19 05:24:26 * ibot bows down to typos and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" May 19 05:24:40 RP: the directory should have been create May 19 05:24:58 temp/Temporary directory within the WORKDIR/run.do_compile May 19 05:28:57 I bet you're all busy with writing missing documentation May 19 05:29:22 RP: with the C++ bitbake parser and lemon we've a grammar for our bitbake files? May 19 05:30:13 Courier imap is a little strange... Inbox.sent May 19 05:33:55 zecke: Yes, the gammar is all there and was showing up some errors in the .bb files :) May 19 05:34:16 RP: good that is what I wanted to know. It hopefully does not accept ABC = 1 May 19 05:34:48 * zecke should try the 'embed c/c++ code in python' modules May 19 05:36:36 zecke: This weekend, I hope to clean up the code I have and make it do something useful May 19 05:36:45 Once that works, I'd love to hook in the parser May 19 05:43:30 I guess you didn't have time to look at the Symbol card yet, right? :) May 19 05:50:37 treke: hey May 19 05:51:28 zecke, what about my osk patches? May 19 05:53:13 mickeyl: I've tried to get it to work under the 2.6.12 kernel and it isn't working. Is there some mismatch there? May 19 05:53:48 I can't decide if its my wireless setup causing problems or the drivers, or maybe opie May 19 05:54:01 My hostap card works... May 19 05:54:16 (by I have to run iwconfig wlan0 essid someessid May 19 05:54:53 Crofton: did you resent them to me? May 19 05:54:54 RP: the latest orinoco-0.13e-26 should work. i fixed a remaining bug with 2.6.12 a couple of days ago May 19 05:55:47 mickeyl: This is an opie-image built yesterday so that should be the case :-/ May 19 05:56:04 It'll probably be my setup and the need to speicify the essid... May 19 05:56:14 does the card LED light up ? May 19 05:56:24 if so, then at least it gets detected and the firmware gets uploaded May 19 05:56:32 It flashes, yes May 19 05:56:35 good May 19 05:56:42 slow blink = unassociated May 19 05:56:45 fast blink = associated May 19 05:56:54 very fast blink = data in/out May 19 05:56:56 (fyi)( May 19 05:57:09 That's handy to know. Its doing a slow blink May 19 05:57:27 I did see a faster blink at one point but can't rememebr what I did :-/ May 19 05:57:33 heh May 19 05:57:40 probably setting the SSID to something meaningful :) May 19 05:58:31 Ok, I have it on in front of me here - ssid is set, still have a slow blink May 19 05:59:28 MAC filter ? May 19 05:59:33 (on your AP) May 19 05:59:46 what does iwconfig say ? May 19 05:59:53 mickeyl: That's a very good point. doh! :) May 19 06:00:03 hehe May 19 06:00:06 been there, done that :) May 19 06:00:24 I keep fogetting about the mac filter... May 19 06:00:29 Did the same when I got the ipaq... May 19 06:00:42 replacing the NIC in your server and not changing the MAC filter is frustrating too..... May 19 06:04:24 mickeyl: it works now ;-) May 19 06:04:32 good May 19 06:04:54 I'm pleased you mentioned that as I could have spent hours remembering the mac filter :) May 19 06:05:53 hehe May 19 06:06:30 like i said, that fooled me once and took hours to debug. i won't forget it a 2nd time May 19 06:06:34 heh May 19 06:06:39 (hopefully) May 19 06:06:43 I won't forget it a 3rd time May 19 06:07:06 I thought that before I got the ipaq, then it still took me an hour to remember... :-/ May 19 06:07:26 It was keen to connect to my neighbours network instead... May 19 06:09:18 night all May 19 06:09:23 'night bluelightning May 19 06:09:27 'night bluelightning May 19 06:17:27 hi drw May 19 06:17:59 hi mickeyl May 19 06:18:14 hi drw May 19 06:18:29 hi hrw|work May 19 06:26:20 hmm.. disconnected imap + kmail == crashes May 19 06:28:43 hi offroadgeek May 19 06:29:06 hello hrw|work May 19 06:57:51 chouimat: greetings to the cat May 19 06:57:59 hi schurig May 19 07:05:46 hello May 19 07:08:29 could someone give me a hint on adding a package to OE? It is a standard "./configure ; make ; make install" software, just need to create a .bb file for it. May 19 07:09:21 inherit autotools May 19 07:10:30 look at swig, I am thinking it is very simple May 19 07:11:23 when you inherit from autotools is this necessary? May 19 07:11:30 do_configure() { May 19 07:11:30 oe_runconf May 19 07:11:30 } May 19 07:11:40 no May 19 07:12:04 OE will run autoconf and the regenerated ./configure by itself May 19 07:12:25 heh, well swig has it :) May 19 07:12:37 SRC_URI="http://bla" May 19 07:12:47 inherit autotools May 19 07:13:00 with those two lines you have a working, but ugly .bb May 19 07:13:15 the standard configuer method uses extra_oeconf? May 19 07:13:44 yes, and the inherit one too May 19 07:14:13 sometimes we have to run oe_runconf manually, this is only a hack though - in case we are too lazy to fix their configure.in to have it properly regenerated May 19 07:14:14 the inherit autotools takes the extra step of regenerating all the autoconf stuff May 19 07:14:51 ah May 19 07:15:18 so if the autoconf is broken, you would try overriding the configure method May 19 07:15:41 if it's too much trouble to fix, yes May 19 07:16:28 building without a source archives is slow on my cable connection May 19 07:18:23 mickeyl: I have some work for you May 19 07:18:26 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12636&pid=80509&st=15&#entry80509 May 19 07:18:36 "On the other hand, OPIE is an offshoot of OpenEmbedded which is an embedded Linux system" May 19 07:18:52 hmm May 19 07:18:53 I'm not even going to look :) May 19 07:18:54 offshoot ? May 19 07:18:55 what's that May 19 07:19:04 branch May 19 07:19:13 d'oh May 19 07:19:15 nonsense May 19 07:19:29 onions get offshoots when you keep them too long May 19 07:21:01 he's confusing OPIE with or brandnew distro May 19 07:21:56 koen, Crofton: thanx for a hint, it is all clear now May 19 07:23:23 I replie May 19 07:23:24 d May 19 07:24:02 "wavetossed: thx for free laugh :)" May 19 08:04:27 cu May 19 08:17:41 mickeyl: right now openembedded.org is largely static content, no CMS. the plan was to move to one, possibly zope/plone, but that never happened, and the maintainer for it hasnt been seen in some time. you can just go onto hh.o and adjust the pages if need be May 19 08:19:07 'morning kergoth May 19 08:19:28 kergoth: mezmerize is very nice indeed May 19 08:22:44 hi May 19 08:26:46 koen: :) May 19 08:27:15 koen: the new system of a down album? May 19 08:28:18 yep May 19 08:28:47 * chouimat likes violent pornopgraphy lyrics =) May 19 08:28:50 been thinking about getting it, but only have heard byob so far... May 19 08:28:53 drw: yes May 19 08:41:08 re May 19 08:41:46 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (2035/2368) [85 %]NOTE: exceptions.AttributeError:'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getVar' while evaluating: May 19 08:41:46 http://www.mithis.com/zaurus/AtiCore.${TARGET_FPU}.tar.bz2 May 19 08:41:46 ERROR: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getVar' while parsing /home/kergoth/code/openembedded/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-aticore.bb May 19 08:41:46 heh May 19 08:58:01 kergoth: that's with the latest oe and bitbake? :-/ May 19 08:58:17 yep May 19 08:58:53 Looks like we haven't found all the assumptions bitbake makes then... :) May 19 09:01:33 Hi guys May 19 09:01:40 hi Spyro May 19 09:01:53 anyone seeing problems building xserver-xorg-6.8.1+cvs20050519 ? May 19 09:02:36 I've not tried... May 19 09:03:14 * kergoth tries a current oe built image for his colinux May 19 09:03:25 RP: any chance you could knock off a quick test ? May 19 09:03:30 i should finish up the non-busybox bootstrap-image/task-bootstrap May 19 09:15:23 Spyro: compile fails May 19 09:18:40 mroning May 19 09:18:55 hi treke|laptop May 19 09:24:47 I plan to push one change to task-bootstrap.. adding setserial (17K) and fuser (22K) - all those btuart, gps users May 19 09:26:14 ehm May 19 09:26:30 newer gpsd's can handle the serial port by itself May 19 09:27:32 so leave it? May 19 09:29:55 hrw 1.3345.1.1 set newer konqueror-embedded as non-default one - it's BROKEN May 19 09:30:49 hrw: the only problem is that those nwer gpsd's break with qpegps and gpsdrive May 19 09:31:22 ok May 19 09:31:28 I have to go - bbl May 19 09:33:55 So we're going to have to specifically set TARGET_FPU="" in the machine/*.confs? May 19 09:34:50 that doesnt sound right. May 19 09:35:44 TARGET_FPU isn't a machine decision May 19 09:36:10 Ok, I got anthy to build. Now, I have libs in /image/usr/lib/gtk-2.0 but this doesn't get packaged. Any tips? May 19 09:36:45 FILES_{$PN} += "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0" May 19 09:36:54 03koen 07 * r1.3345.2.1 10openembedded/packages/stunnel/stunnel_4.09.bb: stunnel_4.09.bb: adjust SRC_URI May 19 09:36:55 koen: thanx May 19 09:37:33 s,/usr/lib,${libdir}, May 19 09:37:41 indeed May 19 09:37:48 I tend to forget that sometimes May 19 09:40:11 sharp-aticore works here :-/ May 19 09:40:19 hey May 19 09:40:33 moin zecke May 19 09:40:39 RP: do you have TARGET_FPU defined? May 19 09:41:06 CosmicPenguin: I'm using distro=oz so it must be set to soft May 19 09:42:18 hey May 19 09:42:27 hey zecke May 19 09:43:00 zecke: kergoth saw this earlier: May 19 09:43:03 [16:41:46] NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (2035/2368) [85 %]NOTE: May 19 09:43:03 exceptions.AttributeError:'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getVar' while evaluating: May 19 09:43:03 [16:41:46] http://www.mithis.com/zaurus/AtiCore.${TARGET_FPU}.tar.bz2 May 19 09:43:04 [16:41:46] ERROR: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getVar' while parsing May 19 09:43:07 /home/kergoth/code/openembedded/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-aticore.bb May 19 09:43:07 [16:41:47] heh May 19 09:43:39 RP: he is not the only one May 19 09:43:43 RP: my TARGET_FPU isnt set. not targeting arm, so it isnt necessary, and doesnt even work. May 19 09:43:48 heh May 19 09:43:57 kergoth: it isn't set for familiar-0.9.0 either May 19 09:44:11 kergoth: this is why I raised COMPATIBLE_DISTRO yesterday May 19 09:44:29 it isn't set for eabi either May 19 09:44:53 I guess with the bitbake changes, unset variables are being handled a bit differently May 19 09:45:07 but say I change a distro setting, should alter *all* .bbs with COMPATIBLE_DISTRO? May 19 09:45:10 before, unset vars were left alone May 19 09:45:11 not replaced May 19 09:45:23 s/should/should I/ May 19 09:45:30 kergoth: shouldn't I return None but empty string? May 19 09:45:43 ? May 19 09:45:50 getVar returns None when the var isnt set May 19 09:45:52 * zecke is such a creep my fscking body just don't work... May 19 09:45:56 but _expand_ doesnt replace unset vars May 19 09:46:08 hmm weird May 19 09:46:24 its an old artifact of the fact that our ${} syntax is the same as shells May 19 09:46:30 but what does expand do with variables set to None? May 19 09:46:31 if we didnt expand it, the shell was still free to May 19 09:46:36 RP: hm? May 19 09:46:43 expand is unchanged, or is TARGET_FPU orphaned in the dict? May 19 09:47:26 RP: when you're emitting the shell code, you just call bb.data.expand("${BLAH}") instead of bb.data.getVar('BLAH') May 19 09:47:56 its an ugly old artifact. i've never liked it, and i always wanted unset vars to expand to nothing May 19 09:47:57 * kergoth shrugs May 19 09:48:23 kergoth: Ah :-/ May 19 09:48:39 That line in the .bb is messed up anyway and has a bug filed against it May 19 09:49:16 in the hardfloat case it should expand to AtiCore.tar.bz2 and not AtiCore..tar.bz2 May 19 09:49:36 should be a little bit of python code or something then,rather than just blindly using TARGET_FPU May 19 09:50:39 http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/patch@1.2930.68.106 May 19 09:50:42 there you are May 19 09:51:14 that's what we use for sshd patches and DISTRO_TYPE too May 19 09:53:28 guys... any of you know if the xorg snapshot (not CVS) in oe is buildable ? May 19 09:53:48 pb_ might now May 19 09:54:01 he updated it last week or so for his mythbox May 19 09:55:41 could we create a oe-bugs@handhelds.org mailinglist? May 19 09:55:57 I think that would be wise May 19 09:56:23 Although if they go to oe@, they might get more attention :) May 19 09:56:36 dont they go to oe@ now? May 19 09:56:39 they should be May 19 09:56:42 they do May 19 09:58:47 I feel annoyed and I don't want to create a mailfilter based on subject :} May 19 09:59:04 dont then, create a filter based on sender :P May 19 09:59:27 Dammit May 19 09:59:37 I really fscked up my Bitkeeper tree May 19 09:59:44 CosmicPenguin: bk repair May 19 10:00:25 so nobody will feel annoyed when I create ~20 bug reports May 19 10:01:27 zecke: If we get annoyed by bugs, we shouldn't have such buggy code :) May 19 10:01:42 zecke: go for it :) May 19 10:02:23 I was closing kernel ones as fast as some guy could open them the other night :) May 19 10:02:26 treke: I can not query on bugs.oe.org May 19 10:02:34 anyone know of a FREE windows emulation for linux with USB support ? May 19 10:06:23 kergoth: I've now some sugar in my blood, so bb.data.expand('{TARGET_FPU}',d) should evaluate to ''? May 19 10:06:32 no May 19 10:06:44 bb.data.expand('${TARGET_FPU}', d) should evaluate to '${TARGET_FPU}' May 19 10:06:53 ok May 19 10:07:11 personally i'd prefer it if it expanded to '', but we cant juts change that now :) May 19 10:08:49 kergoth: weird so AtiCore should have evaluated http://foo/foo${TARGET_FPU}? sorry if I sound confused - I'm May 19 10:09:18 yeah, it shouldve stayed as is May 19 10:10:45 ok there was a bug and it is broken otherwise now :} May 19 10:12:12 Bascially that bb is broken and needs fixing :) May 19 10:12:45 RP: no we need a testcase and report that failure :) May 19 10:13:12 virtual/aticore May 19 10:13:21 hehe May 19 10:13:27 preferred_provider=aticore-soft May 19 10:14:25 treke: bugs.oe.org does not allow to be queried May 19 10:14:34 Unknown column 'relevance' in 'field list' May 19 10:17:06 * CosmicPenguin learns about the chewy goodness of bk abort May 19 10:23:03 OT: does anyone know what GUI it runs? http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7558010259.html May 19 10:26:28 zecke: montavista - aren't they exclusively QT? May 19 10:27:44 CosmicPenguin: no they use GTK + Matchbox as well May 19 10:27:53 with a 2.4 kernel :-/ May 19 10:28:04 CosmicPenguin: everything they can sell for $$$ is included in the MVista portfolio May 19 10:29:11 CosmicPenguin: it runs gaim as well **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 19 10:38:49 2005 May 19 10:41:54 whee. May 19 10:57:05 hmm, what does gnu-configize do at all?... May 19 11:00:41 it just updates the local confjig.guess and config.sub in a source tree to the latest May 19 11:02:43 thanx May 19 11:47:00 hi May 19 11:47:15 which bitbake should I use now 1.2.1 or form subversion? May 19 11:47:46 doesn't really matter May 19 11:47:50 svn is best May 19 11:47:59 koen because all are broken? May 19 11:48:44 what's broken? May 19 11:49:05 no no that was a question May 19 11:49:32 I'm using the svn version and it works May 19 11:49:41 pkay May 19 11:49:42 okay May 19 11:50:38 ~lart monkey.org May 19 11:50:38 * ibot slaps monkey.org around with a large trout May 19 12:04:31 * CosmicPenguin finally gets his tree up to date May 19 12:06:13 * koen welcomes the xfce overlord May 19 12:07:11 Anyone here had much experience with static linking in gtk apps? May 19 12:12:54 zecke: ERROR: see log in Tempory directory within the WORKDIR/log.do_patchcmd.8994 May 19 12:12:58 zecke: look familiar? May 19 12:13:22 CosmicPenguin: bk pull May 19 12:13:46 CosmicPenguin: http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/cset@1.3341?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-7d May 19 12:14:38 that fixes the error May 19 12:14:50 the cset after that corrects the typo :) May 19 12:14:59 Yeah, yeah - you need to actually copy the right directory name before you build May 19 12:15:06 otherwise, shit doesn't work so well May 19 12:15:14 heh May 19 12:15:17 Personally, I blame bitkeeper May 19 12:15:19 :} May 19 12:15:31 it should have pushed the changes to your disk? May 19 12:15:37 hmm.. food.. May 19 12:23:55 Ahh - thar she goes May 19 12:24:05 Now, lets see if the xfce changes worked May 19 12:24:46 * koen imagines a black charred hole in the ground May 19 12:26:01 ~dict flapjack May 19 12:26:04 Dictionary 'flapjack' (2): a flat cake of thin batter fried on both sides on a griddle ;; \Flap"jack`\ (fl[a^]p"j[a^]k`), n. 1. A flat cake turned on the griddle while cooking; a griddlecake or pancake. [1913 Webster] 2. A fried dough cake containing fruit; a turnover. [Prov. Eng.] [1913 Webster]. May 19 12:26:24 crap May 19 12:26:30 now i'm hungry again May 19 12:39:19 getting started has: svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/trunk/bitbake is there a version for folks behind proxies? May 19 12:40:02 ie: my machine can't do DNS for hosts outside. just internal boxen. May 19 12:40:39 ~nslookup svn.berlios.de May 19 12:40:41 svn.berlios.de is 195.37.77.137 May 19 12:40:57 I think there is a tar file somewhere .... May 19 12:41:15 ok, I could do that obviously, but still firewalled. there isn't an http svn interface for bitbake? May 19 12:41:53 I can't find an email with an address though May 19 12:41:53 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/bbsvn.tar.bz2 May 19 12:41:55 ~logs May 19 12:41:57 apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz, or updated "nightly" May 19 12:42:32 TimRiker, complain about the lack of omap5912osk support in OE :) May 19 12:43:05 TimRiker: i dont think there is an http interface for berlios svn -> https://developer.berlios.de/svn/?group_id=2701 May 19 12:43:06 thou shalt not combine cpu and dsp May 19 12:43:16 heh May 19 12:43:29 TI must be made up of sinners :) May 19 12:43:47 thou shalt not run general purpose OS on DSP May 19 12:43:59 actually I like the omap design May 19 12:44:18 I can run opie on the OSK :) May 19 12:44:24 it looks like it's designed by EEs instead of CS people May 19 12:44:31 heh May 19 12:44:50 we are working on something called the software communications architecture May 19 12:44:51 "we can do that with mmx, lets add that" May 19 12:44:55 ~lart intel May 19 12:44:55 * ibot rm -rf's intel May 19 12:45:07 which looks like it was designed by CS people May 19 12:45:34 all these box and arrow diagrams May 19 12:46:54 Crofton: there is a port of uclinux for some dsp's. not sure if a 5912 dsp port was ever done. May 19 12:47:03 koen: we need to reuse our trademark... (mmx) May 19 12:47:21 TimRiker: just try http instead of svn May 19 12:47:25 "oh, let's call it 'wireless'" May 19 12:47:35 zecke: tried that.. May 19 12:47:44 TimRiker: http? May 19 12:47:46 https even May 19 12:47:51 TimRiker: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/bbsvn.tar.bz2 May 19 12:47:59 latest svn in a neato tarball :) May 19 12:48:04 svn co http://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/trunk/bitbake / svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/' / svn: PROPFIND of '/': 200 OK (http://svn.berlios.de) May 19 12:48:21 * zecke thinks my three clause BSD license in bitbake_qa does not make any sense May 19 12:48:27 koen: thanx. I'm trying to get live checkouts working first. May 19 12:48:50 kergoth: where is the difference between MIT/X and the traditional BSD license? Specially in regard to 'binary form' May 19 12:48:56 doesn't svn have a 'proto' switch? May 19 12:48:59 svn: PROPFIND of '/bitbake/trunk/bitbake': Could not create SSL connection through proxy server (https://svn.berlios.de) May 19 12:50:50 * CosmicPenguin starts wondering how he made it through the proxy server May 19 12:52:17 by exploiting the HT/openssl bug? May 19 12:52:42 * koen hides May 19 12:52:57 heh May 19 12:53:26 well, ssh should work for a registered developer. I'm not one though. ;-/ May 19 12:54:11 TimRiker: is your .subversion/servers file set up correctly? May 19 12:54:47 CosmicPenguin: setup for http, yes. I don't see any config to tell it to use http proxies for svn: access. May 19 12:55:22 proxychains? May 19 12:58:04 ahh - I see your problem May 19 12:58:10 ~lart berlios May 19 12:58:12 * ibot chops berlios in half with a free AOL CD May 19 12:58:57 koen: proxychains? May 19 12:59:47 i saw a post on the ml about people using 'proxychains svn svn://bla" to get bitbake May 19 12:59:58 ~lart webdav May 19 12:59:59 * ibot whips out his power stapler and staples webdav's foot to the floor May 19 13:00:04 What a stupid ass protocol May 19 13:00:30 CosmicPenguin: yeah, and osx support sucks May 19 13:00:48 unless you convince your share is idisk.apple.com May 19 13:01:22 koen: thanx. May 19 13:12:03 proxychains didn't work. tranconnect worked though. May 19 13:21:36 any plans to move off of bk now? that's the next hurdle I'm fighting. May 19 13:22:14 TimRiker: Sometime we will for sure May 19 13:22:25 TimRiker: by 1st July... :) May 19 13:22:44 know to what? May 19 13:22:58 or waiting to see where linux goes? May 19 13:23:32 cogito is a contender. I've heard svk, monotone, baz etc all mentioned May 19 13:23:52 It won't be cvs :) May 19 13:24:10 svk is svn with lots o'perl May 19 13:25:04 I think there was a problem with svk. Can't remember what though May 19 13:25:12 perl? May 19 13:26:39 . It is written in Perl and is using Subversion's underlying filesystem. May 19 13:26:46 http://svk.elixus.org/?SVKAbout May 19 13:27:22 i use svk every day May 19 13:32:02 do you like it? May 19 13:32:36 it works very well. its star merge capability is handy. it can work with upstream svn or cvs repositories atm. May 19 13:32:42 what i like most is that upstream can just stay svn May 19 13:32:45 no server side changes May 19 13:32:54 so you can pull down local mirrors of lots of existing projects and work against them May 19 13:33:14 i dont like that its perl, and sometimes it isnt as fast as it could be May 19 13:33:22 * TimRiker wonders what kergoth uses svk for every day. (jk) May 19 13:33:41 okay i used to use it every day, when i was actually doing project work :) May 19 13:33:54 * TimRiker grins May 19 13:33:55 touche May 19 13:34:40 good nite May 19 13:34:48 night May 19 13:35:30 'night zecke May 19 13:51:39 evening May 19 13:52:44 * zecke got some extra time donated by his gal... May 19 13:52:54 is anyone familiar with security and python? May 19 13:53:23 kergoth: would you think it is possible to not always evaluate every function for every task? May 19 13:53:48 what do you mean? May 19 13:54:27 kergoth: for example I've a do_install() { A="${@call_func(d)}" } May 19 13:54:46 kergoth: when emitting the script for the do_compile task, do Install gets completely evaluated May 19 13:54:58 kergoth: would we win anything not evaluating other functions? May 19 13:56:01 zecke: you cant guarantee that somewhere in the do_compile it wont call do_install. it shouldnt, bujt that isnt guaranteed, because all the functions in the datastore are emitted into every shell script. May 19 13:56:10 as things stand today, you couldnt make that change. things could be relying on it May 19 13:56:26 kergoth: some easy heuristic should work May 19 13:56:44 have you profiled it? May 19 13:56:52 kergoth: no :) May 19 13:57:07 then stop trying to optimize and go measure :P May 19 13:57:41 kergoth: I'm just asking. I've some older java code to track such deps across methods May 19 13:57:58 kergoth: I just want to use it somewhere after my uni project was canned May 19 13:57:59 so now you want to write a shell script parser? May 19 13:58:12 kergoth: no ;) May 19 13:58:23 * zecke annoys kergoth, sorry May 19 13:58:36 then how do you plan on getting to those deps? you cant know if one shell function calls another without parsing the function May 19 13:58:44 heh May 19 13:59:20 kergoth: I don't know if it is a bottle-neck (- right) so just blindly assuming it is one is not right. I agree with that May 19 13:59:35 kergoth: but currently I've so many ideas floating around... May 19 13:59:41 well, even if it is, i doubt the performance win would be worth the cost in development time May 19 13:59:45 * kergoth shrugs May 19 13:59:46 bitbake is the dope I needed May 19 13:59:50 hehe May 19 14:00:22 zecke: someone told be to speak with you about your tinderbox ideas... May 19 14:00:32 offroadgeek: right May 19 14:00:38 * koen gets a warm and fuzzy feeling May 19 14:00:43 mmmm... tinderbox May 19 14:01:01 zecke: well I have a quad zeon box just sitting around doing nothing... thought it could be put to good use May 19 14:01:19 I could buy extra scsi storage if it needs it May 19 14:01:31 offroadgeek: nice. I plan to do many things and we can't have enough tinder-clients May 19 14:01:51 offroadgeek: plans go from checking if patches apply, source is still fetchable (limited by your bandwidth) May 19 14:02:10 zecke: good... the offer is always open.. just let me know when you need me to turn it up May 19 14:02:32 offroadgeek: to do post-commit compiling of packages for specefic targets... May 19 14:02:33 it's on a 768/up dsl line at home May 19 14:02:33 RP: ping May 19 14:02:36 offroadgeek: daily builds... May 19 14:02:59 offroadgeek: My problem is I'm not too familiar with the whole tinderbox stuff and it is perl May 19 14:03:22 zecke: gotcha... I'll start reading up on it if you'd like May 19 14:03:42 offroadgeek: I know we need to write a bitkeeper fetcher for our tinderbox May 19 14:03:59 offroadgeek: also we now have a bitbake_qa module that holds tests a tinderbox could run May 19 14:04:13 RP: I have reproducable suspend issues with 2.6.12 (from today) May 19 14:04:47 RP: basically if you suspend using the hw on/off button, you can't resume - you just come back to the kernel message screen May 19 14:04:51 offroadgeek: I'll write some more tests and try to setup a tinderbox server + client at home May 19 14:05:00 offroadgeek: and then I really would like to get back to you May 19 14:05:10 zecke: ok... I was just about to rebuilt it with debian sarge... will that do? May 19 14:05:29 offroadgeek: any distro should do (even Solaris10 or FreeBSD) May 19 14:05:45 zecke: ok... well I'm most familiar with debian.. so I'll stick with that May 19 14:05:50 from a security point of view FreeBSD or Solaris might be better suited :} May 19 14:06:20 openbsd! May 19 14:06:31 * koen grows a beard and fetches some a May 19 14:06:36 sandal May 19 14:06:39 zecke: it could even be a box that you run completely... totally up to you May 19 14:06:54 *quad* *my* *own* May 19 14:07:02 hehe May 19 14:07:41 zecke: if you could make a list of needed test configs we could figure out how many machines we need and how to tie it all together May 19 14:09:22 lardman: Its not reproducable as it doesn't happen here :-/ May 19 14:09:52 koen: will do May 19 14:11:43 RP: :) fair enough May 19 14:11:56 RP: Perhaps a C750 w/ GPE peculiarity then May 19 14:12:24 lardman: Admittedly I am using opie atm May 19 14:12:29 RP: apm -s works, so I'll be using that for the time being May 19 14:12:47 apm -s works? That's not kernel then... May 19 14:13:00 Or maybe the key repeat is screwing something up? May 19 14:13:16 Try pressing the button very sharply to avoid any repeat May 19 14:13:24 RP: no idea - I was going to ask where to start looking May 19 14:13:33 RP: ok, hang on a tick May 19 14:13:55 RP: yep, that seemed to work May 19 14:14:39 RP: except that now the button itsn't recognised at all - I can hold it down and no effect May 19 14:14:53 RP: at least it'll force me to use apm -s I suppose ;) May 19 14:15:08 RP: Ah, no it's not that May 19 14:15:32 RP: I just tried apm -s and I get "apm: Device or resource busy" May 19 14:16:03 The hardware button won't be working for the same reason. Some driver is blocking suspend requests May 19 14:16:29 This is a vanilla gpe-image from this afternoon - I've not had a chance to install anything May 19 14:17:02 lardman: I meant kernel driver May 19 14:17:16 lardman: Have you anything in the SD/CF slots? May 19 14:17:34 RP: yep, a CF card May 19 14:17:52 memory? May 19 14:17:56 or wifi? May 19 14:18:04 Memory May 19 14:18:12 just removed it and no difference May 19 14:18:21 nite May 19 14:18:28 'nigh all May 19 14:18:32 good night May 19 14:18:39 Once the power management is screwed up, you'll probably have to reboot it :-/ May 19 14:18:45 'night zecke May 19 14:18:48 Ok, a CF issue? May 19 14:18:54 'night zecke May 19 14:18:55 and koen|sleep :) May 19 14:19:09 We'll know in a minute May 19 14:22:20 RP: out of interest do you get ircomm_tty: Unknown sysmbol warnings on boot? May 19 14:22:39 RP: Just wondering if an extra ir module needs to be added to the gpe-image May 19 14:23:10 lardman: I don't remember seeing them but that doesn't mean I don't May 19 14:23:30 RP: I just see them alot these days ;) May 19 14:23:55 Right, apm -s worked, hw suspend (short key press didn't) May 19 14:24:04 now stuck back on the kernel messages screen May 19 14:24:04 It does sound like some module is missing which is quite likely May 19 14:24:44 What about a slightly longer keypress ? May 19 14:25:02 The sticking on the kernel messages screen sounds like a gpe problem May 19 14:25:04 I think it's dead - sqsrq isn't doing anything May 19 14:25:13 ah :-/ May 19 14:25:25 Home & rh jap key? May 19 14:25:39 it's come back now May 19 14:25:54 rh jap, then Home, release jap then press a letter May 19 14:26:06 So it just locks up for a short while? May 19 14:26:25 I have to do jap, then home, hold both and press key all at once May 19 14:26:39 anyway, poweroff isn't interested May 19 14:26:42 time for a reboot May 19 14:26:55 That often fails for me unless I release the jap key May 19 14:27:18 So what to try now? A slightly longer keypress on the on/off key? May 19 14:27:23 The thing is, the hardware power key (on the back) is near enough hardcoded to trigger an apm -s equivalent May 19 14:27:44 On kernel drivers can abort that May 19 14:27:52 Only kernel... May 19 14:28:03 I see May 19 14:28:05 (as the apm scripts are broken in that regard) May 19 14:28:29 so if I can apm -s, but not use the hw key then it's def. kernel related, otherwise could be something else May 19 14:29:25 I can't see any way apm -s can work when the hw key doesn't. Unless the input system is completely fried... May 19 14:29:42 no, I was just thorising May 19 14:29:50 theorising even May 19 14:29:52 When you press the hw key, do you see any messages on the console May 19 14:29:54 ? May 19 14:30:11 yes, the same as a normal apm -s May 19 14:30:25 do you see "power.c: requesting system suspend" ? May 19 14:30:29 just managed a hw susp & resume May 19 14:30:37 no, I don't think so May 19 14:30:44 somehting to do with mci_corgi May 19 14:30:46 ? May 19 14:31:01 corgi_mci_setpower May 19 14:31:08 You should see a power.c message or messages whenever you use the hw button May 19 14:31:15 maybe look in dmesg May 19 14:31:16 and I2C: Slave address May 19 14:31:33 yes, dmesg shows power.c May 19 14:31:58 You should see that every time you press the hw button. That means apm -s is getting issued May 19 14:32:07 however, after my successful suspend & resume using the on/off key, I have device busy again May 19 14:32:30 yes it is May 19 14:32:44 although I don't get a suspend, I get a message in dmesg May 19 14:33:06 If apm -s is aborting, the hw button will be as well May 19 14:33:16 The question is what is triggering the abort May 19 14:33:18 I just got "apm: an event queue overflowed" May 19 14:33:39 so how should I go about tracking it down? May 19 14:33:52 Too many events have been queued.... May 19 14:34:11 Did you have a lot of lines beginning "power.c" as if the key repeat was playing up? May 19 14:34:34 Only one or two starting power.c - not as many as on/off key presses May 19 14:35:02 to do with device-level power management May 19 14:35:14 But one power: line per keypress I think May 19 14:35:56 Hmm May 19 14:36:17 apm -s doesn't add any more power: requesting system suspend lines ... May 19 14:36:33 No, apm-s wouldn't. Thats normal May 19 14:36:46 the hw button adds lots - about 6 for a longish press May 19 14:37:06 I need to fix the key repeat May 19 14:37:22 Perhaps its that and a gpe bug of some sort May 19 14:37:46 That would make sense if the repeat is messing it up somehow May 19 14:37:58 but it ought to ignore repeats surely? May 19 14:38:22 they make it into the apm queue which can get confused. May 19 14:38:30 It needs fixing May 19 14:38:36 even a very quick press adds two events May 19 14:38:52 I can't press the button much faster than that and know I've done it May 19 14:39:07 If they're different lines of text, that's normal May 19 14:39:15 yes they are May 19 14:39:28 but more than one? May 19 14:39:38 One's system level, the other is device level which is ignored May 19 14:39:50 I've set preferred gcc, gcc-cross and gcc-initial but it still grabs gcc-snapshot May 19 14:39:50 ~nslookup openembedded.bkbits.net May 19 14:39:52 openembedded.bkbits.net is 192.132.92.3 May 19 14:39:56 ah, ok - the same message: power: requesting ... May 19 14:40:37 I'll look into a fix for the key repeat and we'll take it from there May 19 14:40:55 Cool, thanks, I'll be online tomorrow if you want any testing done May 19 14:41:03 Thanks for your help May 19 14:41:27 Night May 19 14:42:49 LD_PRELOAD=~/.tconn/tconn.so bk_client-1.1/sfioball bk://192.132.92.3/openembedded openembedded / ERROR-cannot cd to openembedded (illegal, nonexistant, or not package root) May 19 14:43:06 thoughts? May 19 14:51:20 TimRiker: hmm thats odd, perhaps it relies on the hostname for identification, ala vhosts? could try adding its entry to /etc/hosts and checking out by name.. May 19 14:51:21 * kergoth dunnos May 19 15:20:56 is there anything good/bad for the powerpc patches which i sent to the mailing list? i really wish to see them in OE May 19 15:24:56 kergoth: heh. that's what I tried next. now it just creates and empty openembedded directory. May 19 15:25:22 mickey|away: ping May 19 15:25:26 odd May 19 15:26:01 TimRiker: i've done a checkout of oe from behind ti's proxy using sfioball before, but iirc openembedded.bkbits.net was quirky at hte time. try bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/oepenembedded perhaps May 19 15:31:42 It keep using the gcc-snapshot-cross when i want a specific gcc-cross version, how do i define that? May 19 15:34:10 you set your preferred providers. even the local.conf.sample covers that exact one May 19 15:36:32 I've set preferred providers but it still doesnt comply May 19 15:38:45 then you probably havent set them correctly May 19 15:38:50 put your local.conf somewhere for us to check May 19 15:39:14 yeah, im guessing that much, gonna check the sample file first for something obvious May 19 15:41:37 Think i found it, :) going for test round May 19 15:41:44 i really need a faster compiling machine May 19 16:07:01 kergoth: you here? May 19 16:11:05 nm May 19 16:12:35 The libxfce4mcs tarball is missing some files May 19 16:25:16 * CosmicPenguin wonders if he should report it May 19 16:32:15 hmm..... May 19 17:31:53 'night all May 19 18:35:53 anyway to force a pcmcia disk to be /dev/hdb ? as opposed to /dev/hda ? May 19 18:37:01 <_ggilbert> udev May 19 18:41:53 hey!!!! May 19 18:42:09 how about for 2.4 kernels May 19 18:42:28 no elections next month!!! May 19 18:43:34 hey _ggilbert ljp May 19 18:44:20 <_ggilbert> ljp: nope. Don't think so May 19 18:44:29 can't even bitchslap it? May 19 18:44:31 robert__: yes? May 19 18:44:47 hey, chouimat May 19 18:44:50 <_ggilbert> ljp: nope May 19 18:45:18 ljp: well, you oculd do something silly like renaming the device nodes in /dev/. its the major/minor that matters, not the filename. but you'd have to make adjustments to ensure that the cardmgr automounting mounted the new name. May 19 18:45:18 * chouimat plays Ambeon - High (04:14) May 19 18:45:27 since you'd be working behind its back May 19 18:45:29 hey kergoth moved yet? May 19 18:45:54 chouimat: not yet, need to finish cleaning my apartment.. procrastinating.. the closet is really bad.. May 19 18:45:56 heh May 19 18:46:07 hehe May 19 18:46:41 thankfully most of it can be thrown out, just a matter of sifting through it for things of value. still, no fun May 19 18:46:43 kergoth: I found out that I need to add syslog and snort to my bsd based embedded firewall to have all my reseller back ... took me 15 minutes ;) May 19 18:46:48 chouimat: hehe May 19 18:46:50 nice May 19 18:47:01 chouimat: any luck on the job front? May 19 18:47:15 kergoth: I have to build a "log analysis" software but ;) May 19 18:47:23 hehe May 19 18:48:25 kergoth: read this for the job front http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1074 but the plan b is looking good and the "getting laid with the chick behind the bar" too ; May 19 18:49:15 hehe May 19 18:49:23 where do you see yourself in 10 years. what a crock May 19 18:49:30 10 years is a _long_ time, especially in this field May 19 18:49:31 who knows May 19 18:49:47 kergoth: liked my answer ? I actualy answered it May 19 18:49:54 hehe May 19 18:50:33 kergoth: first time was not ambitious enought ... so I guess not serious enought is improvement ;) May 19 18:51:16 kergoth: I know my problem for job interview I'm way to much cynical and ironic ... May 19 18:52:22 yeah. you need to think about it like a salesperson. starting with the resume, you're selling yourself. focusing on your strengths, basically acting the role of a good salesperson.. and cynicism and bitterness rarely serves a salesperson well :P May 19 18:52:57 kergoth: I know ... now I know what to answer to this one if I ever get it again May 19 18:53:03 * kergoth nods May 19 18:53:34 kergoth: to have enough money to don't care if the work I do succeed or not ;) May 19 18:53:45 lol May 19 18:54:27 kergoth: my father told me the guy who ask the question has a lot of money, a house and a family so you have to answer something he doesn't have May 19 18:56:59 kergoth: that mean I will care until I have enough money to say: so long suckers ;) May 19 18:58:38 say, "I envision myself working for your company, doing the same crappy job, getting the same crappy pay rate as when I started" May 19 18:58:44 haha May 19 18:59:33 i think i've been lucky, i dont think i've had that exact question in an interview before. at least, not that i can remember May 19 18:59:39 ljp: so if you ever seem my resume at tt.au remind me this ;) May 19 19:00:30 kergoth: the usual question I get here is: Are you able to manage a 5 millions email account system with sendmail? May 19 19:00:43 ok stargate sg1 is on tv May 19 19:00:48 to which the answer is "not if i can help it"? May 19 19:00:50 :P May 19 19:02:09 kergoth: yup ... give me exim or postfix ... but not sendmail May 19 19:02:15 :) May 19 19:10:51 hmm, the channel topic needs updating May 19 19:11:09 should mention the new bitbake version requirement, and remove the miniconf or add a link to the slides and stuff May 19 19:12:07 kergoth: looked at gentoo gnap? May 19 19:12:13 nope May 19 19:14:58 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap-userguide.xml May 19 19:18:29 hehe. oe could do exactly that without much difficulty May 19 19:25:18 kergoth: I know ... but it's interesting anyway May 19 19:25:23 * kergoth nods May 19 19:26:27 i installed it ... but like the embedded stuff I'm working on right now is based on freebsd ... May 19 19:26:37 both of them are not an option May 19 19:33:23 hmm, we arent missing many packages in oe to be able to easily build non-busybox images May 19 19:33:33 i should set that up. would be good for building development environments May 19 19:33:40 where thingsl ike busybox's ar are a problem May 19 19:40:52 yay, got my colinux debian setup all happy again, now to get the dev env cleaned up so i can be productive May 19 19:41:17 * kergoth svk sync -a May 19 19:41:21 * kergoth taps foot May 19 20:03:05 hmm May 19 20:08:24 anyone know where I can download openembedded_0.1-2_all.deb, the link on oe.org is dead (linked to hrw's site?) May 19 20:08:33 dunno May 19 20:09:11 ok... I'll try hrw when he's back.. thanks May 19 20:15:19 03kergoth * r183 10bitbake-data/doc/doxygen/Makefile.am: Comment out the hackish way we're executing the doxygen-doc makefile target, since it breaks when doxygen docs arent built. Revisit later. May 19 20:17:21 03kergoth * r184 10bitbake-data/TODO: May 19 20:17:21 Clean out and start a new TODO list. Finishing up this library to make it May 19 20:17:21 suitable for use in both bitbake and bitbake-ng shouldn't take more than a day May 19 20:17:21 or two for code/unit test and perhaps a week's real world use case testing. May 19 20:28:07 ljp: how is Brisbane? May 19 20:28:43 becoming "winter" May 19 20:29:14 ljp: but winter there is more hot than winter here (-40C) May 19 20:29:33 * kergoth listens to :wumpscut: May 19 20:29:39 * chouimat plays Rainbow - Man On The Silver Mountain (13:35) May 19 20:29:49 kergoth: old band but good May 19 20:30:17 kergoth: ask ljp ;-P May 19 20:30:54 http://ulyx.ath.cx/ex.jpg <--- guess who is the guy and who is the chick May 19 20:35:14 chouimat: whats your email addy again? May 19 20:49:42 yay family guy album May 19 20:49:43 time for your bottle my sweet. May 19 20:49:43 this little brat smells like piss. May 19 20:49:43 always a succulent treat. May 19 20:49:43 while i suck that, you suck this! May 19 20:50:27 kergoth: I have to watch the last 3 weeks of family guy and american dad May 19 21:50:59 kergoth: got the video May 19 22:12:41 * kergoth starts sending a series of emails to the bitbake-dev list May 19 22:48:56 | /home/rob/oe/build/tmp/work/display-image-1.0-r0/temp/run.do_rootfs.4083: line 193: makedevs: command not found May 19 22:49:09 bitbake makedevs-native May 19 22:49:14 heh May 19 22:49:22 * kergoth shrugs May 19 22:49:26 yup, but shouldn't that be included somewhere already? May 19 22:49:53 should be. no idea what display-image is, so no idea why it wouldnt be May 19 22:50:04 * kergoth dunnos May 19 22:51:02 it's copied from bootstrap-image, with addons.. how does bootstrap-image get its makedevs.. May 19 22:51:34 * wrobbie browsing .bb May 19 23:08:25 is there a ipkg tool to see the contents of a .ipk file? May 19 23:09:19 i'm sure there is May 19 23:09:23 i just use a shell function in my .bashrc May 19 23:09:24 ipkgfiles () { May 19 23:09:25 »·······ar p $1 data.tar.gz | tar -tvz May 19 23:09:25 »·······return $? May 19 23:09:25 } May 19 23:09:27 heh May 19 23:10:09 ah, i was messing with 'ar x' etc. ok, i'll try yours May 19 23:10:21 that just displays the files in the archive May 19 23:10:27 you'd use x to extract them May 19 23:10:35 ipkgcontrol () { May 19 23:10:35 »·······ar p $1 control.tar.gz | tar -zxO ./control May 19 23:10:35 »·······return $? May 19 23:10:35 } May 19 23:10:38 thats a handy one as well May 19 23:10:41 displays the control file contents May 19 23:10:44 thanks :) May 19 23:10:48 np May 19 23:10:53 weird that ipkg can't do it.. May 19 23:11:18 i'm sure theres a tool in ipkg-utils to do it May 19 23:11:27 thers ipkg-build, ipkg-unbuild, etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 19 23:59:56 2005