**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 21 23:59:57 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 22 00:16:45 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 22 00:20:11 2005 May 22 00:23:29 weee May 22 00:41:23 * tigrux is back (gone 00:28:26) May 22 00:52:03 ~lart bkbits.net May 22 00:52:22 !lart bkbits.net May 22 00:52:22 * cdbot pushes the wall down onto bkbits.net whilst whistling innocently May 22 00:52:27 ;) May 22 01:10:51 ~lart shitty non-standard USB hubs May 22 01:39:35 ~lart ~lart May 22 01:39:56 !lart !lart May 22 01:39:57 * cdbot drops a truckload of VAXen on !lart May 22 01:56:00 <[cc]smart> has the nslu openembedded repository moved finally ? May 22 01:56:12 ? May 22 01:56:30 <[cc]smart> oh, wrong channel prolly May 22 02:22:58 hmm May 22 02:26:05 afternoon ljp May 22 02:30:30 hey May 22 02:32:38 oe hates me May 22 02:36:21 ljp: what's up? May 22 02:38:19 just watching big brother and contemplating cross compiling quickcam.o for the c3000, and also wondering why oe hates me May 22 02:40:01 make opie-image fails on first cvs package, but building the package indiviually, it tries to dl/unpack a tarball, before the cvs has been dl'd, but this works for the one package May 22 02:40:23 i mean it sucessfully gets the cvs sources, and builds May 22 02:40:30 bleh May 22 02:41:51 what's happen when you delete .tgz and mp5 files for that package? May 22 02:42:19 s/mp5/md5 May 22 02:45:54 ljp: it always tries to download a tarball from the CVS_TARBALL_STASH before checking out from cvs, because that's (usually) a faster way to get the code. May 22 02:45:55 this is on a fresh everything. :) May 22 02:46:44 ya, know that. but for some reason, it doesnt dl from cvs when I do bitbake opie-image May 22 02:46:54 odd May 22 02:46:59 then uncoment CVS_TARBAL... May 22 02:46:59 can you paste the output here? May 22 02:47:11 uncommented :) May 22 02:47:26 ohhh. coment out... May 22 02:52:29 waiting... May 22 02:54:26 gints|home: why do you think that commenting out the STASH will help? May 22 02:54:51 then it will use cvs only... May 22 02:55:48 right, but it would have used cvs anyway, if the tarball wasn't in the STASH. May 22 02:58:21 as I understud he want to use cvs download when building opie-image... May 22 02:58:55 nope. failed May 22 02:59:03 what's the error? May 22 03:00:46 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting May 22 03:01:07 heh, I guess we need a bit more context than that. May 22 03:01:19 can you paste the log to pastebin.ca, or put it on a website, or something? May 22 03:01:21 ERROR: not enought lines :) May 22 03:03:16 http://pastebin.ca/12367 May 22 03:03:42 not much to go on really May 22 03:04:08 oh, right, that old problem. May 22 03:04:55 I never quite understood what causes that, but I expect cleaning gnu-config will make it go away. May 22 03:05:01 you might try switching to patcher, too. May 22 03:05:02 shouldn't he build this one package by hand? May 22 03:05:15 mean one package only... May 22 03:05:19 er, should he? why? May 22 03:05:27 moment.. May 22 03:05:33 i havent build oe in months, so it is extremely fresh May 22 03:06:33 i built quilt 'bt hand' May 22 03:06:37 'by hand' May 22 03:06:58 find oe maillist for Re: [PATCH] gnu-config uclibc patch fails to apply (and is buggy) May 22 03:08:01 oh, yeah, that's right. you probably need to wind back the CVSDATE for gnu-config. May 22 03:08:08 try setting it to 20050401 or something. May 22 03:23:54 not even trying to use cvs May 22 03:24:21 what's it saying now? May 22 03:24:23 except when I build the single package May 22 03:25:58 http://pastebin.ca/12368 May 22 03:26:03 hmm. that failed too May 22 03:27:50 freaky. May 22 03:27:55 ya May 22 03:28:19 the "permission denied" error in do_patch usually happens when you try to re-run do_patch for a second time after it previously failed. May 22 03:28:37 quilt creates some of its own data files as readonly, and then blows up trying to overwrite them when you run it again. May 22 03:29:06 but your unpacking problem is just totally bizarre May 22 03:30:28 might be an idea to check with zecke; he's been doing all kinds of stuff to bitbake lately. May 22 04:13:28 moin May 22 04:39:44 good afternoon all May 22 04:47:47 * koen mails bitmover about bkbits being down May 22 04:48:29 still borked eh? May 22 04:48:35 hi koen May 22 04:48:47 hey wrobbie May 22 04:49:17 perhaps larry mcvoy decided to speed up the schedule a bit :) May 22 04:49:24 nasty opensource ppl! May 22 04:49:46 maybe May 22 04:50:07 I'm pretty happy with support@bitmover.com, they fix stuff pretty quick May 22 04:50:25 once it gets reported, that is May 22 04:51:27 hmm, ok. no experience with them at all, just parrotting slashdot sheeple :) May 22 04:52:12 from now I'm going to tell every project: "I can't use cvs, because I have patches against bk" May 22 04:54:55 are you attached to Twente University or something btw? I believe you mentioned it a while ago May 22 04:55:13 I'm studying and working there May 22 04:56:11 cool, i'm from enschede :) but live in singapore now May 22 05:00:28 wrobbie: better weather over there? May 22 05:01:04 yup. but that can get rather boring too.. May 22 06:12:29 good afternoon folks May 22 06:12:30 afternoon May 22 06:12:34 hi reenoo__ May 22 06:12:56 awesome tail you've got there May 22 06:13:08 hey pb_ May 22 06:14:19 pb_: yah, that's the downside of running multiple irc clients inside screen May 22 06:14:39 yay. I can read the IR detector on my USB TV digitiser May 22 06:14:44 (Im writing a driver for it) May 22 06:15:00 oops wrong channel May 22 06:55:21 ~lart XDMCP May 22 06:55:21 * ibot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at XDMCP May 22 06:55:42 heh May 22 06:55:51 zecke: I know the feeling :) May 22 06:57:24 koen: I finally managed to get my USB WLAN Adapter running May 22 06:57:37 cool May 22 06:57:41 koen: now my buildbox is not in the 10.0.0.x net but 192.168.1.... May 22 06:57:55 koen: but X binds to 10.0.0.15: instead of the wlan0 ip... May 22 06:58:02 heh May 22 06:58:33 that's why all my ips are in 172.20.* May 22 06:58:52 hehe May 22 06:59:25 only usbnet uses 192.168 May 22 06:59:58 which I NAT to the 172.20 net :) May 22 07:01:01 ipv6 is much nicer May 22 07:01:06 eth0 isn't even up :} May 22 07:01:15 koen: probably... May 22 07:02:13 when XDMCP works I can finally continue with my assignments... May 22 07:02:39 * koen looks at the stack of hp envizex terminals May 22 07:03:51 lol eth0 now doesn't even have an address and X bind to 10.0.0.15... May 22 07:04:06 -10.0.0.15:1 May 22 07:04:08 crap May 22 07:24:31 ~herring zecke May 22 07:24:32 * ibot whacks zecke on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred May 22 07:36:22 koen: X is noticable slower over wlan :} May 22 07:37:00 zecke: no shit :) May 22 07:38:18 koen: time for setting up FreeNX locally May 22 07:38:36 haven't tried that yet May 22 07:38:49 it rocks May 22 07:40:01 that would rock on my sparc May 22 07:47:05 * france is away: Away May 22 07:49:10 * france is back (gone 00:02:05) May 22 07:51:42 http://www.livejournal.com/users/pavelmachek/6651.html :} May 22 08:01:38 zecke, how does he mean that the CF card is hard to flash? eh May 22 08:02:05 probably his cf card is busted May 22 08:02:39 yeah, most likely. First i thought that wtf 256MB flash-chip! May 22 08:02:44 morning May 22 08:03:35 koen: or the bootloader does not read cf cards that big May 22 08:03:43 or his fat is just dirty... May 22 08:04:16 You should write a howto called "OZ for idiots" May 22 08:05:33 zaurus users are idiots, in general May 22 08:05:44 Wheres the url to check additions/deletions in the OE tree? May 22 08:06:05 oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/ChangeSet@-7d?nav=index.html May 22 08:06:09 but it's down May 22 08:06:28 Ah, is bkbits working today then? May 22 08:07:05 ~fishslap Kristoffer May 22 08:07:06 * ibot slaps Kristoffer up side the head with a wet fish. May 22 08:07:29 17:06 < koen> but it's down May 22 08:07:34 that says it all :) May 22 08:07:34 :D May 22 08:07:44 yeah, just trying to keep the hope up :P May 22 08:07:53 bitmover has been notified May 22 08:08:35 Oki, i'll hold my breath then May 22 09:08:36 Kristoffer, koen: bkbits is back May 22 09:13:53 woohoo! May 22 09:15:11 koen: CIA is dead mind :) May 22 09:15:18 aargh May 22 09:16:20 packages/imlib2/imlib2-x11_1.2.0.004.bb: fix src_uri May 22 09:16:57 RP: apply jlime patches May 22 09:17:41 RP: easily emulated May 22 09:20:33 hi May 22 09:20:53 hey hrw May 22 09:21:00 who knows how to run bittest? I have some spare background time so can do a few tests.. May 22 09:21:36 zecke mailed some instructions to the last a week ago May 22 09:21:49 OE ml? May 22 09:22:13 got it May 22 09:22:37 set PYTHONPATH=/path/to/bitbake/lib May 22 09:22:37 set BBPATH=/path/to/bitbake_qa:/path/to/openembedded May 22 09:22:38 bin/bittest May 22 09:22:39 hi folks May 22 09:22:47 and edit conf/testrun.conf May 22 09:22:49 hey mickeyl May 22 09:22:58 aah May 22 09:23:01 time to push some changesets May 22 09:23:07 damn May 22 09:23:14 this I I'll never catch up May 22 09:23:15 ok. May 22 09:23:26 I have 18G free partition May 22 09:26:08 I have a summary on cogito: it lacks docs, has stupid (shell) limitations, and isn't really p2p May 22 09:26:46 I couldn't check in the whole OE tree at once and 'pushing' is not supported May 22 09:26:57 so that leaves monotone and svk May 22 09:27:21 i did some tests with monotone 0.19 and it worked fine May 22 09:27:24 koen: which one is the linux one ? May 22 09:27:26 perhaps we should try to get this going May 22 09:27:36 but i'd rather wait some more weeks for cogito to develop May 22 09:27:40 lets talk again mid june May 22 09:27:43 Spyro: cogito May 22 09:27:58 :) May 22 09:28:37 mickeyl: having an 'unmanned' central repo like we have isn't what linus needs May 22 09:29:09 I think that makes it pretty low prioty with the cogito people May 22 09:29:24 priority even May 22 09:29:29 hmm May 22 09:30:01 the whole branch thing is real nice May 22 09:30:02 monotone's performance didnt suck? i tried one a couple versions ago and it was so slow as to be unusable May 22 09:30:16 it still sucks last I heard May 22 09:30:18 no bad experiences with 0.19 yet May 22 09:30:31 then again, i just imported our tree and did some light changes to become warm with it May 22 09:30:38 no real usage May 22 09:30:55 mickeyl: I broke it completely by removing a file, the whole repository was unrecoverable May 22 09:31:04 mickeyl: and I only had four files in repository May 22 09:31:09 heh May 22 09:31:12 that's not good May 22 09:31:26 mickeyl: though that was windows version of monotone May 22 09:31:31 aah May 22 09:31:34 that explains May 22 09:31:35 heh May 22 09:32:01 when I get time, Ill try it again at work under colinux May 22 09:32:07 * XorA|gone is looking for a VSS replacement May 22 09:32:36 * mickeyl kicks CIA-bot for swalling 10 changeset comments May 22 09:35:13 mickeyl: did you make evas 'virtual' yet ? May 22 09:35:17 ya May 22 09:35:23 one of the 10 changesets May 22 09:35:30 ~shoot CIA-9 May 22 09:35:32 * ibot shoots CIA-9 in the eye with a glue gun! May 22 09:36:04 mickeyl: do we have kde bits in OE yet? May 22 09:36:31 iirc zecke once added a couple of 'em, but not into our repository May 22 09:36:37 zecke ? May 22 09:36:39 re May 22 09:36:42 wb May 22 09:36:43 holy crap. bb has moved from beeing a memory hog to a CPU hog May 22 09:36:52 mickeyl: it was in OE - moved to nonworking. May 22 09:36:56 aha May 22 09:36:58 good May 22 09:37:07 i'd like to see kdebase and kdelibs working in oe May 22 09:37:24 mickeyl: someone build that for pdaxrom May 22 09:37:24 mickeyl: as part of my ongoing quest to whoop pdaXrom's ass May 22 09:37:34 hrw: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12702&hl= May 22 09:37:45 koen: add anything that is in pdaxrom into OE? May 22 09:37:56 hrw: and do it better! May 22 09:37:57 :) May 22 09:38:39 koen::) May 22 09:39:00 koen: i agree May 22 09:39:02 that'd be nice May 22 09:39:04 however May 22 09:39:09 i'm sure it won't convince the pdaxrom zealots May 22 09:39:23 who seem to be a bit too emotional to be open for logic May 22 09:39:23 heh May 22 09:39:40 it's for my own sanity May 22 09:39:45 fair enough :D May 22 09:39:48 mickeyl: then they can join gentoo fanboys :-) May 22 09:40:04 "can you compile a kernel for me?" May 22 09:40:07 * koen chuckles May 22 09:40:11 pdaxrom is pretty static these days, isn't it? May 22 09:40:30 dunno, they are not very voicy in general May 22 09:40:41 in contrast to us they like being a small closed group May 22 09:40:48 *shrug* May 22 09:41:05 I've been trying to break into OE but I feel like I'm getting nowhere May 22 09:41:18 none of the examples off the getting started page have worked for me yet May 22 09:41:34 that's sad May 22 09:41:49 I've been reading the bbclass files and feeling the quality though May 22 09:42:17 usually people run away screaming after reading those May 22 09:42:33 mickeyl: koen : kde's libtool is broken in rgerads to ccache May 22 09:42:40 I might end up building a distro by hand from tarballs but I had hoped OE would be an easier ride May 22 09:42:51 mickeyl: so it is not buildable when not having a special local.conf May 22 09:43:15 zecke: do we absolutely need to use their libtool? remember we build a lot of our software ignoreing peoples assumptions about buildsystems May 22 09:43:15 ARGH... May 22 09:43:20 * koen has CCACHE="" May 22 09:43:28 my new reiserfs partition gives oops May 22 09:43:31 on desktop May 22 09:43:58 mickeyl: KDE has one big fudge of autocrap May 22 09:44:31 gnome's autotoolization is negated by it's zillions of libraries May 22 09:44:39 libgnome-a: prints the letter a May 22 09:44:47 libgnome-b: prints the letter b May 22 09:44:50 etc... May 22 09:45:12 mickeyl: it is hard to split their auto* even harder if you've not any clue about it May 22 09:45:38 * koen starts downloading kubuntu May 22 09:45:49 koen: stop hurting debian :) May 22 09:46:13 zecke: when debian releases I'll reconsider it for the desktop :) May 22 09:47:58 bittest needs bitbake_qa/lib in PYTHONPATH or bitbake? or both? and BBPATH set to which? May 22 09:49:20 hrw: PYTHONPATH to bitbake/lib May 22 09:49:32 hrw: BBPATH to bitbake_qa:oe May 22 09:49:50 ah May 22 09:54:35 18:54 hrw@home:test$ bittest example source_checker May 22 09:57:48 Hi folks, small question about bootloader. I've built bootstap image for simpad, but I couldn't find a way to build a bootloader. Does hh.org bootloader exist in oe repository ? May 22 09:58:45 lazy_marmot: nope May 22 09:59:28 zecke: source_fetcher get pacakges in random order? May 22 10:00:17 zerke: could you give some hints, where should I look for it ? hh.org CVS ? May 22 10:02:39 lazy_marmot: nope it is not in hh.org CVS May 22 10:03:20 hrw: depends on your BBFILES statement May 22 10:05:25 zerke: I'm a bit lost, where should I look for source for hh.org bootloader ? May 22 10:06:07 lazy_marmot: nowhere May 22 10:06:20 zecke: do you know what's special about the kde libtool? May 22 10:06:39 other than being written in C++, obviously May 22 10:06:39 lazy_marmot: we've some mq200 code that is not GPL covered May 22 10:07:15 pb_: no just old and broken, I tried to kick the devels but they say use symlinks to ccache instead of ccache gcc May 22 10:07:20 (bloody ignorance) May 22 10:07:24 doh May 22 10:07:32 and what goes wrong if you try to use a newer libtool? May 22 10:07:58 zerke: aha, thanks, now I understand. May 22 10:09:04 http://www.cvshome.org/files/19/10/cvs-1.11.14.tar.bz2 not fetchable May 22 10:09:45 lazy_marmot: Actually with the 2.6 kernel we can remove the mq200 bits from bootldr May 22 10:09:59 lazy_marmot: and then it is 100% free and we will release it May 22 10:10:16 pb_: dunno, the problem is there is no libtool.m4 I can easily replace May 22 10:10:41 pb_: all autoconf/automake macros are in one huge file (quite messy) and my knowledge in that regard is pretty limited May 22 10:11:00 but we can try again :) May 22 10:11:25 oh, right. May 22 10:11:27 someone used bitbake and OE under !linux? May 22 10:11:30 what's the huge file called? May 22 10:12:27 hrw: yes someone did and I plan to use it on Solaris10 and FreeBSD 5.4 once I made it to the Computer shop to buy a 2nd disk May 22 10:13:15 pb_: oh wait May 22 10:13:17 thx May 22 10:13:19 pb_: http://webcvs.kde.org/kde-common/admin/ May 22 10:13:24 ah, I see, they stuffed it all into acinclude.m4 May 22 10:13:33 zecke: that was my second question :) Are there some patches to get 2.6 running on simpad, or recent kernels works out of box ? May 22 10:13:36 well, it should be easy to use an editor to remove the libtool bits May 22 10:13:42 RP: I just got a mail from Larry that bkbits is up again :) May 22 10:13:48 lazy_marmot: recent kernels boot out of the box May 22 10:14:01 lazy_marmot: stuff like touchscreen and display is in the 2.6 hh.org kernel tree May 22 10:14:18 lazy_marmot: the touchscreen does not survive suspend though, sound and buttons are missing... May 22 10:15:10 lazy_marmot: it works good enough to make it the default SIMpad kernel... May 22 10:15:24 pb_: there is a libtool.m4.in May 22 10:15:37 zecke: aha May 22 10:16:51 * zecke starts proof reading of his assignment and declared it as almost done May 22 10:17:20 very good May 22 10:17:49 zecke: thanks, I'll try 2.6 and if I'm successful I could try to help to get it into oe repository. I'm not kernel hacker, but if some help needed to test or find and apply some patches I could do it. May 22 10:22:01 * tigrux is away: Time to have life. May 22 10:22:21 lazy_marmot: it is already in oe, the stock handhelds-sa-2.6 tree works :) May 22 10:23:13 zecke: can bittest generate some stats when works? like adding missing sources into one file etc? May 22 10:24:27 zecke: ok, I'm kind of still trying to understand the whole oe structure. I must say it's not easy :) May 22 10:36:07 daft question: does OE oversee the download and build of a toolchain for cross compiling? IF not, why not? May 22 10:37:11 cxm: OE build toolchain May 22 10:37:39 11G tmp/work May 22 10:37:41 argh,,, May 22 10:39:15 hrw, so I type bitbake toolchain? May 22 10:39:25 cxm: bitbake gcc-cross May 22 10:39:45 cxm: do "bitbake -n gcc-cross" to see what will be built May 22 10:39:50 thanks hrw May 22 10:39:56 np May 22 10:40:12 cxm: or just build anything - toolchain will be build if needed May 22 10:40:57 I tried bitbake nano and it failed May 22 10:41:10 I thought I'd try the toolchain build separately May 22 10:41:21 how it failed? May 22 10:42:26 install: cannot stat `flex': No such file or directory May 22 10:42:32 was it's last breath May 22 10:42:42 cxm: crappy sourceforge.net May 22 10:43:09 cxm: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3 May 22 10:45:30 flex-2.5.31.tar.bz2?download&failedmirror=telia.dl.sourceforge.net May 22 10:45:45 one more reason for embedding md5's in .bbs May 22 10:46:59 OK I blew away flex* from Downloads and I'm trying again May 22 10:48:22 cxm: edit conf/bitbake.conf and change telia to heanet May 22 10:48:30 (assuming you're from the UK) May 22 10:49:41 removing 11G take time... May 22 10:52:48 hmm I have openembedded/conf/bitbake.conf and bitbake/conf/bitbake.conf (different)... which one to edit? May 22 10:52:56 ~curse pcmcia wicked userland interface May 22 10:52:57 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, pcmcia wicked userland interface ! May 22 10:53:01 openembedded/conf May 22 10:53:49 there isn't a telia in either file May 22 10:54:15 cxm: conf/local.conf May 22 10:54:37 http://freedesktop.org/%7Edavid/hal-0.2/hal-0.2.tar.gz not found May 22 10:55:00 mickey|dinner: smacznego May 22 10:55:04 hrw, there isn't a telia in there either May 22 10:55:20 cxm: look for SOURCEFORGE May 22 10:55:55 cxm: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sources.redhat.com/pub/gsl/gsl-1.4.tar.gz also not found May 22 10:56:11 OK a grep found SOURCEFORGE May 22 10:56:15 cxm: BBPATH determines the order May 22 10:56:30 cxm: it uses the first file it finds in the path May 22 10:56:33 http://www.lysator.liu.se/%7Enisse/archive/lsh-1.5.5.tar.gz May 22 10:57:41 thanks for the explanation May 22 10:57:44 http://www.eecis.udel.edu/%7Entp/ntp_spool/ntp4/ntp-4.1.2.tar.gz May 22 10:58:17 http://www.penguru.net/download/pdm-1.0.tar.gz May 22 10:58:35 http://de3.php.net/distributions/php-4.3.6.tar.bz2 May 22 10:58:47 heh.. I will write them to file... May 22 11:02:54 hal_0.2.98.bb: fix src_uri, add 0.2.98 May 22 11:03:07 hah May 22 11:03:13 take that CIA-9 May 22 11:04:37 Evening May 22 11:04:43 hey SirFred May 22 11:04:54 hrw: what a bandwidth do you've? May 22 11:05:54 zecke: 1Mbps May 22 11:06:17 zecke: 1000kbps/170kbps to be more exact May 22 11:15:29 MTD updated to 20050521 May 22 11:15:58 hrw: thanks May 22 11:16:46 how to set bugzilla to not go into next bug after submit? May 22 11:21:01 hrw: dunno May 22 11:21:18 I'm unifing ntp build now May 22 11:23:23 hrw: did you succeed in outputting failures to a file during the run? May 22 11:23:59 koen: just wait until the end and set a different Output Filter May 22 11:24:25 koen: |tee works always (nearly) May 22 11:24:26 * koen tries to learn some patience :) May 22 11:26:50 http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/zip23.tar.gz May 22 11:27:06 http://www.zsh.org/pub/zsh-4.1.1.tar.bz2 May 22 11:27:32 so when we start to marking packages as unsupported? May 22 11:27:46 unsupported? May 22 11:28:11 unsupported == totally non maintained May 22 11:29:28 with the qa we could spot when those break and fix them May 22 11:29:53 ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/resolvconf/resolvconf_1.22.tar.gz May 22 11:30:33 1.28 available May 22 11:38:52 ftp://ftp.easysw.com/pub/cups/1.1.19/cups-1.1.19-source.tar.bz2 May 22 11:39:09 ftp://ftp.easysw.com/pub/cups/1.1.20/cups-1.1.20-source.tar.bz2 ;( May 22 11:39:48 hrw: can you connect to easysw.com at all? May 22 11:39:58 no May 22 11:40:41 update: yafc connected May 22 11:40:46 yafc anonymous@ftp.easysw.com:/> May 22 11:43:34 bk vommit May 22 11:45:38 zsh use pcre... I skip it May 22 11:48:01 ntp: unified build May 22 11:48:11 resolvconf: updated to 1.28 May 22 11:48:14 May 22 11:49:32 our new scm should have rss support May 22 11:49:35 fsck.. bittest|tee does not work as it should.. May 22 11:49:41 koen: yes... May 22 11:50:06 Running test for xt with machine: collie and distro: openzaurus-3.5.4 May 22 11:50:06 Running test for xt with machine: collie and distro: openzaurus-3.5.4 May 22 11:50:09 why twice? May 22 11:53:51 I removed cvs 0.11.14 - its unfetchable now and we have newer (but development) versions in OE May 22 11:59:46 CIA-9: updated fget to 1.3.3 May 22 12:00:21 hmm, sorry i have been away May 22 12:00:48 i see mickey has changed the e files May 22 12:00:57 too bad the -native ones are useless May 22 12:01:26 emte_: you forget a ">" in all your MAINTAINER sections May 22 12:01:41 in mine? May 22 12:01:48 yes May 22 12:01:51 or in raster's May 22 12:01:58 yours May 22 12:02:11 hmm May 22 12:02:19 emte_: and could you take a look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25 ? May 22 12:03:10 yes i see that, i had asked kergoth about that issue and his response was it should work May 22 12:03:34 probably just a bug in the fetcher that could be fixed in about 5 minutes May 22 12:03:44 but it wouldnt hurt to just use direct urls for now May 22 12:03:56 back... sadly my daughter was sick into my laptop May 22 12:04:14 doh May 22 12:04:20 not a problem, curious why the CVS versions were removed tho May 22 12:04:44 had to shutdown and invert the laptop May 22 12:04:49 since those were directly from the cvs tree May 22 12:04:56 cxm: better than her peeing on it though :) May 22 12:05:15 yeah I'll take my chances with the lumpy stuff May 22 12:05:37 or did raster remove them? May 22 12:05:42 good job I was ssh-ed into my build server which was running screen May 22 12:05:59 ~hug screen May 22 12:06:01 * ibot hugs screen May 22 12:06:30 current list to check: gsl (updated to 1.6 - building), lsh, zip, pdm, uae May 22 12:06:45 altho mickey removed the split files May 22 12:07:13 dunno if it was related or not May 22 12:08:52 lsh have to w8 - server reinstallation.. May 22 12:09:16 | fp-gnuc99.c: In function `gsl_ieee_set_mode': May 22 12:09:16 | fp-gnuc99.c:81: error: `FE_TONEAREST' undeclared (first use in this function) May 22 12:09:21 btw wht is with the .inc files? May 22 12:09:25 what* May 22 12:09:53 .inc files contain the common bits May 22 12:09:57 we changing how bb are built now? May 22 12:10:02 ah May 22 12:10:21 evas-x11 includes evas.inc May 22 12:10:32 that was you don't have to change 3 files to change one thing May 22 12:10:33 yeah, i was looking at that one May 22 12:10:57 doesnt that cause a problem with missing licenses? May 22 12:10:58 an .inc is usually a sign kergoth or mickeyl went by :) May 22 12:11:01 re May 22 12:11:08 the license is in the .inc May 22 12:11:14 thats what i mean May 22 12:11:29 hows that a problem? May 22 12:11:31 tho i suppose it wont be useful with out it .. May 22 12:12:35 not sure where that thought was going May 22 12:12:54 umm, anyone else having problems compiling gnu-config-native? A patch fails to apply, any work-arounds for that? May 22 12:13:42 anyway, before i forget again, any onf the -native efl bb are uneeded May 22 12:13:47 of( May 22 12:13:52 kergoth: pdm is added by you - we have to remove that from repo probably as it is not fetchable May 22 12:13:59 CoreDump|home: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2 May 22 12:14:06 heh May 22 12:14:29 koen: heh, thx. New BTS I take it? May 22 12:14:34 yes May 22 12:14:51 CoreDump|home: bk pull and/or move the cvsdate forward May 22 12:16:09 bah why did i do that pull May 22 12:16:32 hmm I pulled 2 hours ago, will pull again May 22 12:17:14 i ran into that bug last night May 22 12:17:28 heh, and just now May 22 12:17:34 ah, might have something to do w/ me using oz-3.5.3 config. May 22 12:18:18 hmm.. really? May 22 12:18:35 the fix is for a recent cvsdate May 22 12:18:45 20050516 to be exact May 22 12:18:46 most distro.confs set it to their builddate May 22 12:19:31 koen, hrw: thx! I'll try this CVSDATE May 22 12:20:13 or CVSDATE_gnu-config-native and CVSDATE_gnu-config May 22 12:20:24 CIA-9: updated zip to 2.31, fixed src_uri for fget May 22 12:21:55 wow bero is active May 22 12:22:05 yup May 22 12:22:22 paving the way for a working uclibc distro May 22 12:22:37 I wonder if he uses OE for a settop box May 22 12:22:50 CIA-9: fixed SRC_URI for gsl May 22 12:23:03 can someone look at gsl 1.6? it failed here May 22 12:23:37 failed to build May 22 12:23:40 maybe i'll just readd raster's cvs packages ... the non-x11 are probably only used by me anyway May 22 12:24:07 emte: better talk to mickeyl May 22 12:24:10 * CoreDump|home registers to the new bugzilla May 22 12:24:23 otherwise we'll see a remove/readd cycle over and over again May 22 12:24:45 morning May 22 12:24:55 hey treke|home May 22 12:24:56 hi treke|home May 22 12:25:04 not sure why he removed the cvs ones May 22 12:25:27 they are the only ones that get changed when raster decides to mangle a lib May 22 12:25:29 :) May 22 12:26:22 but yeah i can ask him, curious why he keeps using the -native packages anyway May 22 12:26:41 CIA-9: removed old UAE - not fetchable May 22 12:26:47 to compile edje object for packaging? May 22 12:26:48 but we have e-uae still May 22 12:27:03 any May 22 12:28:15 hi treke May 22 12:29:13 hrw: how did you get to 'z'? After 26hours my disk was full with sourcecode May 22 12:29:18 could a uclibc/glibc guru look at the patches in cvs? May 22 12:29:31 s/cvs/bugzilla/ May 22 12:30:25 zecke: it does not sort packages May 22 12:30:40 zecke: g,l,z,u,f May 22 12:31:48 hrw: that soleley depends on your fs and BBFILES ;) May 22 12:32:13 zecke: exact May 22 12:32:41 zecke: you alphabetize your fs? May 22 12:33:51 treke|home: does the "new chart" option in bugzilla work for you? May 22 12:34:09 hrw: packages/*/* seems to be in alphabetic order for the directories May 22 12:34:19 btw - what to do with pacakges which cannot be fetched, has newer versions available but that new versions does not build and I cant/dont_want to check what is wrong? May 22 12:34:27 treke|home: ignore me, pebkac May 22 12:34:28 zecke: not here May 22 12:34:56 hrw: find the source elsewhere May 22 12:34:59 hrw: add BROKEN="1" to the unfetchable package May 22 12:35:00 just so everyone knows .... menusystems bite May 22 12:35:31 hrw: create a bug report (I hope my tinderbox will soon do it automatically) May 22 12:35:34 especially when you delete the damn source by accident ... May 22 12:35:37 or leave it borken so that someone actually fixes it May 22 12:35:47 sure May 22 12:35:48 getting it ignored by the buildsystem does no one any good May 22 12:36:43 AMDPenguin: gftp 2.0.18 released - could you update? May 22 12:37:09 mickey|dinner: can I overload methods in python? May 22 12:37:25 BROKEN is just a synonym for EXCLUDE_FROM_WORLD. It probably won't do much good in this situation. May 22 12:37:55 zecke: you asked me that once before. shame on you :D May 22 12:38:03 zecke: not in the sense of c++ May 22 12:38:24 zecke: you can use a) default args or b) keyword args or c) *args, **kwargs to have full flexibility May 22 12:38:29 bbl, wifey calls May 22 12:38:56 * koen curses bugzilla report graphing tool May 22 12:39:09 emte: i deleted your files because they're were more or less fully broken. didn't you read my detailed mail to oe@handhelds.org where I pointed out the problems? May 22 12:39:14 lets chat in 1h May 22 12:39:22 mickey|tv: yeah I didn't understand * yet May 22 12:39:26 ok. flac 1.1.2 builds (1.1.0 does not fetch) May 22 12:39:27 mickey|tv: cya in a hour May 22 12:39:36 could anyone take a look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=32&label0=All+Open&line0=32&select65536=1>=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&action-remove=Remove&datefrom=2005-05-10&dateto=2005-05-22 ? May 22 12:39:44 and see if that produces a chart? May 22 12:39:51 mickey|tv, yes i did, but my question is more about the cvs ones May 22 12:40:12 which are raster's set May 22 12:40:12 koen "2005-05-22 ?' is not a legal date." May 22 12:40:20 c/p error? May 22 12:40:33 it isn't? May 22 12:40:41 er wait ... mail ... May 22 12:40:43 koen: clean chart May 22 12:40:59 i read the bugtrack one May 22 12:41:16 koen: nm, it *was* a c/p error -on my side ;) May 22 12:41:42 have been haveing a couple issues with my email host lately so i may not have gotten it May 22 12:42:01 results in an empty chart May 22 12:42:31 do we have all those libgtk2 recipes? 2.2, 2.4 May 22 12:42:32 mickey|tv, yeah, i missed getting that one, i'll chech the web archive May 22 12:42:43 CoreDump|home: yes, but if you click the "run search" link it returns bugs May 22 12:43:29 right May 22 12:45:06 do we have a link to the recent archives? May 22 12:45:14 hrw: how do you like bitbake_qa? Besides that we need a better way to handle its output what else is missing? May 22 12:45:16 emte: gmane May 22 12:45:33 zecke: it do its job quite well May 22 12:46:06 zecke: it should add to file all good and all bad sources May 22 12:46:07 emte: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/4273 May 22 12:46:36 zecke: now its hard to track - wget is 14 lines.. May 22 12:46:49 zecke: and I removed that "Running" output line May 22 12:47:08 hrw: if(isset(MAINTAINER)) {cluebat(MAINTAINER);} May 22 12:47:24 heh May 22 12:47:30 I want that in qa too :) May 22 12:48:26 koen: can you look which libgtk2 are needed? 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 - soon we will get 2.8? May 22 12:48:51 only 1.2 and 2.6 should be needed atm May 22 12:48:51 aha thanks koen , i got to the point where it told me to get an nttp client :) May 22 12:48:59 2.2 can go away, but leave 2.4 May 22 12:49:12 hrw: it reports all tests as a TestResult May 22 12:50:12 mickey|tv, read it, will conform, and will do all that you suggest .... even try to use your new .inc system May 22 12:50:25 * emte hits print May 22 12:51:13 and i see the cvs issue now as well May 22 12:51:32 the ":" in the src_uri? May 22 12:51:59 no, thats fine for cvs maintainer May 22 12:54:09 zecke: emte: HSCV is huuuge... May 22 12:54:46 ~kill tab May 22 12:54:47 * ibot shoots a ionized fluxproton gun at tab May 22 12:55:09 and do we need all ipkg versions? May 22 12:56:02 only the newest 2 I'd say May 22 12:56:43 ~shoot sf.net for redirects May 22 12:56:44 * ibot shoots sf.net for redirects in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! May 22 12:57:31 CoreDump|home: I guess I'm too dump for bugzilla May 22 12:57:40 dumb even May 22 12:57:46 koen: maybe this function is just b0rked May 22 12:58:05 or you need certain permissions for it? May 22 12:58:12 no idea May 22 12:58:49 :) same here. I never liked bugzilla much. May 22 12:58:49 hrw, HSCV? May 22 12:59:19 emte: ignore.. tab hit May 22 12:59:24 aha May 22 12:59:56 hrw: what package is HSCV? :} May 22 13:00:08 zecke: guess.. May 22 13:01:11 * koen shakes his fist at bugzilla May 22 13:01:59 koen: be aware it could use the evil magic of perl against you May 22 13:02:24 darn May 22 13:02:38 I don't want evil llamas popping over here May 22 13:02:38 perl = prainfucked evil reverse logic May 22 13:03:04 hrw: handhelds.org cvs tree? (grep and find didn't reveal anything) May 22 13:03:32 zecke: High Voltage SID Collection May 22 13:03:41 zecke: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ May 22 13:03:43 music from C= 8bit sid machines May 22 13:03:56 ah May 22 13:04:06 CIA-9: fixed SRC_URI for lftp 3.0.11 (3.2.0 available upstream) May 22 13:04:14 everyone hates bugzilla May 22 13:04:45 treke|home: but not as much as RT May 22 13:04:53 koen: with limited ram it is turing complete? May 22 13:05:18 they say it is May 22 13:05:32 * zecke needs to look up turing complete again May 22 13:05:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing-complete May 22 13:06:15 koen: we could really embed md5sums in the bbfiles May 22 13:06:51 zecke: and cvs_start;cvs_end datestamps for patches? May 22 13:06:52 koen: hehe do you know Raśl Rojas? May 22 13:07:00 zecke: in the SRC_URI? May 22 13:07:07 zecke: no, I don't think I know him May 22 13:07:18 koen: he's one of my profs May 22 13:07:32 actually almost my favorite one May 22 13:09:53 treke|home: do you have some light to shine on the charts? May 22 13:10:26 lsof, lirc 0.6.6 needs work May 22 13:10:45 lirc needs some overall work May 22 13:10:50 I'm having issues trying to compile gcc 3.4.3 for SH3, it creates alot of configure processes (about 100-200) and nothing happens May 22 13:11:00 0.6.6 is not fetchable May 22 13:12:03 I think that we should fetch bz2 if available May 22 13:12:13 yup May 22 13:12:22 that would save about 1G I guess May 22 13:15:48 CIA-9: lsof: removed 4.73, added 4.75, fixed SRC_URI for 4.74 May 22 13:15:53 hi Cwiiis May 22 13:16:00 Hey hrw May 22 13:18:26 hey cw May 22 13:19:30 Hey koen May 22 13:20:07 so with oe you can build softwares for distros like familiar? May 22 13:20:39 iheartcanada: yes May 22 13:21:07 koen: thx May 22 13:21:48 iheartcanada: the whole of familiar + feeds are built with oe May 22 13:22:28 are you building commercial or floss software at the moment? May 22 13:22:48 both May 22 13:23:07 i wonder how many people use familiar at the moment May 22 13:23:13 floss for familiar and commircial stuff for work May 22 13:23:20 *nod* May 22 13:23:22 iheartcanada: a couple of thousand people May 22 13:23:36 i was thinking more along the lines of about 28 :) May 22 13:23:42 heh May 22 13:23:58 I know of a few 500+ user projects with familiar May 22 13:24:11 both familiar and openzaurus currently use oe to build distros May 22 13:24:18 familiar supports java too right? May 22 13:24:42 iheartcanada: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rwagner/pyblosxom.cgi/computers/freejava/4.html May 22 13:24:43 iheartcanada: to varying degrees yes May 22 13:25:03 I use *cough* sun-cvm *cough* on familiar for that May 22 13:25:03 * emte would hate to try running java on my pda May 22 13:25:13 * koen washes his mouth after saying that May 22 13:25:33 s/familiar/MSP/ May 22 13:26:07 lol i can't think of any shareware familiar users might use, they probably all know howw to program :) May 22 13:26:11 a lot of companies want java May 22 13:26:24 CIA-9: fixed SRC_URI for scew 0.3.1 (version 0.4.0 available upstream) May 22 13:26:39 ljp: CDC, CLDC or j2se? May 22 13:26:44 they aren't golf-club totting executives, they are CGOs (chief geek office) May 22 13:26:50 they aren't golf-club totting executives, they are CGOs (chief geek officer) May 22 13:27:15 iheartcanada: I never wrote any app for linux and use OZ for over yeat May 22 13:27:17 Those acronyms don't match. May 22 13:27:19 s/yeat/year May 22 13:27:22 :) May 22 13:27:23 koen: not sure May 22 13:27:24 iheartcanada: at work we use ipaqs as heartrate/o2 saturation monitors May 22 13:27:32 koen: all of the above? May 22 13:27:46 koen: they can all be made to work ;) May 22 13:27:52 so people don't actually know they are using linux May 22 13:28:06 that reminds me, I need to get a couple ipaqs repleaces May 22 13:28:06 Twiun: yes, but at the moment I only need cdc May 22 13:28:08 replaced May 22 13:28:26 ehm, cldc May 22 13:28:31 koen: how do the ipaqs connec to the monitoring devices? May 22 13:28:36 the gui is in plain qt/e now May 22 13:28:39 koen: bluetooth or usb? May 22 13:28:41 iheartcanada: bluetooth May 22 13:29:06 http://www.mobihealth.org/ <- the propaganda for it May 22 13:29:11 http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/src/zlib-1.1.4.tar.gz not found May 22 13:29:20 cu - time t go to bsllep May 22 13:29:22 koen: which bits? May 22 13:29:30 koen: lcdui or just io? May 22 13:29:33 Twiun: my next job is to get http://placelab.org/ working May 22 13:29:36 zecke: bitbake-qa works nice May 22 13:29:36 koen: good money :/ May 22 13:29:36 'night hrw May 22 13:30:36 Twiun: only the i/o and processiong is in java May 22 13:30:47 hey koen, you guys use http://www.tactex.com/ 's product? May 22 13:30:47 Twiun: the stuff runs on phones like the p900 too May 22 13:30:48 without a complete bluetooth implementation, security between the peripherals/accessories and the pda would be compromised no? May 22 13:31:17 i know they are doing some med development work May 22 13:31:28 emte: no, mostly stuf other departments have developed May 22 13:31:43 koen: ok, if you don't need anything other than io then someone's done a CDC impl for Kaffe which I'm due to merge RSN May 22 13:31:47 * ljp coughs there might be work being done on qtawt May 22 13:32:06 * Twiun coughs not for OSS, surely? May 22 13:32:12 basicly a sheet which goes on the bed that will give all vitals and chemical analysis May 22 13:32:17 Twiun: it's been rsn for a while now May 22 13:32:22 doubt it ;( May 22 13:32:29 koen: what, the merge? or the implementation? May 22 13:32:37 emte: heh, that doesn't sound particularly mobile May 22 13:32:37 the merge May 22 13:32:42 koen: the implementation exists, it's called kangaroo May 22 13:32:42 how can familiar or openzaurus help me get laid? May 22 13:32:54 i want to make $$$ with it!! :) May 22 13:32:57 koen: there were holdups, such as the author+company had to give consent May 22 13:33:02 koen: we have those now May 22 13:33:28 pb_, its a cloth, so you could just use a section. its designed to replace 90% of basic vital monitoring equipmnet May 22 13:33:32 koen: if you want to volunteer to do the merge... ;) May 22 13:33:38 i wonder where i can pick up bluetooth printers, and barcode scanners and stuff, to do point of sale with pdas May 22 13:33:41 Twiun: aaw, I just finished the hidious java buildsystem part May 22 13:33:57 koen: the cdc stuff is mostly self-contained ;) May 22 13:34:31 I guess it can't be any worse as cvm's buildsystem + assumptions May 22 13:34:49 iheartcanada: barcode scanners -> socket May 22 13:35:31 koen: ah, well, if you've messed with the CVM there may be difficulties May 22 13:35:48 koen: the usual stuff May 22 13:37:03 * zecke will no break bitbake majorily May 22 13:37:11 majorly even or whatever it is spelled May 22 13:37:12 no or now ? May 22 13:37:13 :P May 22 13:37:23 ~spell majorly May 22 13:37:26 possible spellings for majorly: Marjory Major Morly major meagerly majors Major's Majorca major's Maryl Marley Morley Joly Mikol marl mainly May 22 13:37:37 damn May 22 13:38:04 what is majorca? May 22 13:38:18 emte: and island May 22 13:38:24 zecke: what do you mean by socket? i am a bit new to this, my apologies May 22 13:38:25 s/and/an/ May 22 13:38:34 iheartcanada: it's a brand name May 22 13:39:10 iheartcanada: a company owning barcode patents but also providing CompactFlash Barcode Scanners May 22 13:39:24 ah May 22 13:39:24 iheartcanada: I've one and it works quite good with linux May 22 13:39:33 so they are the biggest and the baddest in the space? May 22 13:40:03 koen, zecke: thx guys May 22 13:40:41 so once you got it hooked up tothe CF slot you are good.. i see May 22 13:40:47 iheartcanada: yah. biggest, baddest, best, and most expensive May 22 13:40:47 heh May 22 13:41:03 any POS deveice is expensive May 22 13:41:05 CAD$700... May 22 13:41:10 device* May 22 13:41:21 ~change 700 cad to eur May 22 13:41:24 700.00 Dollar (CAD) makes 440.744 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) May 22 13:41:26 700 isnt bad for POS May 22 13:41:36 not POS, just the scanner May 22 13:41:59 scanners are generally a point of sale device May 22 13:42:03 no credit card reader, no printer, CAD$700 just for a little laser diode and a spinny mirror May 22 13:42:10 heh May 22 13:42:18 iheartcanada: and the patents you may use May 22 13:43:23 is socket also the people to go to for portable thermal printers and credit card readers? May 22 13:44:36 http://www.expansys.ca/product.asp?code=106663&asource=113254 May 22 13:45:16 iheartcanada: dunno May 22 13:49:54 yeah these accessories are specialized and made in short runs, what can you do right? May 22 13:51:13 hey check this out, both reader and printer: http://www.expansys.ca/product.asp?code=113388 May 22 13:59:26 placelab sounds like a good idea May 22 14:03:15 sorry to be a pain, I am still having trouble getting flex to work May 22 14:04:15 I have changed the SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR to reference heanet and the logs still show that another site is being accessed May 22 14:05:07 could your rm TMPDIR/cache? May 22 14:05:34 I could, would that help? May 22 14:05:58 what about the Downloads directory, I have three files there - a flex tarball that I downloaded manually May 22 14:06:04 that would force it to reread all configfiles May 22 14:06:24 touch flex-.tar.bz2.md5 May 22 14:06:38 the extra .md5 will let bitbake know it's there May 22 14:06:51 it isn't really and md5, just an empty file May 22 14:06:56 there's also a md5sum file of the same version that _doensn't_ match the manual download, and May 22 14:07:19 md5 isn't implemented yet in OE/bb May 22 14:07:20 there's a file with &failedmirror=telia... May 22 14:08:02 zecke: what would need to be hacked to do src_uri=http://foo.bla/a.tgz;md5=478237897af8789 ? May 22 14:08:41 ok so I will rm tmp/cache, and touch the md5sum file May 22 14:09:35 here we go again May 22 14:11:39 ooooh, rumours of new futurama episodes May 22 14:11:47 * koen intensely happy May 22 14:14:05 why let a television show teach you how to be non-sequitor? May 22 14:17:21 koen: the fetch.py but I don't know which path extraction method May 22 14:20:15 * zecke prepares for the break bitbake and go sleep commit May 22 14:25:08 fear May 22 14:25:22 anger May 22 14:25:39 May 22 14:26:27 actually I don't intend to break things, but as the nature of uncompiled languages I might run into each loop myself when testing May 22 14:27:08 heh May 22 14:53:09 damn now I need to understand bitbake to find my error on refactoring... May 22 14:53:19 I should have written a turing machine to do the conversion... May 22 14:53:31 anyway bitbake -s is fast again May 22 14:54:25 I wonder why gpe-clock provides opie-image May 22 14:54:46 heh May 22 14:59:53 zecke: all part of our ongoing sabotage May 22 15:00:20 we sneak conflicts and provides of random opie packages in all the gpe .bb files May 22 15:00:53 there goes our cover May 22 15:00:57 so, when someone does "bitbake opie-image", they actually get gpe. hurrah! May 22 15:01:16 long live logic! May 22 15:02:59 blasphemy! May 22 15:03:07 :) May 22 15:03:29 a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a fox May 22 15:08:27 pb_: I know why you resist to have a openembedded 'commit/push' mailinglist ;) May 22 15:08:31 we would find out May 22 15:12:42 ah no, I installed special patches in the bitkeeper triggers May 22 15:13:47 * ljp notices they have to resort to trickery to get people using gpe May 22 15:13:59 * ljp hides May 22 15:15:01 :) May 22 15:15:06 ljp: yah, we bank on all those people who wanted qpe but didn't read quite carefully enough May 22 15:26:57 pb_: luckily you've not found out all my passwords are 'opie' or you would replace my gnome session with gpe May 22 15:29:25 I'm now going to 'break' bitbake for you guys (revenge of the (Opie)Sithlla) May 22 15:29:38 thought you already had May 22 15:29:45 :) May 22 15:29:53 ljp: just for me, not the others May 22 15:30:43 * pb_ going to sleep now May 22 15:30:50 good idea May 22 15:30:55 'night all May 22 15:30:55 gotta get up early to repair this stupid fileserver again May 22 15:31:32 mickey|tv: ping? May 22 15:31:55 RP: pong May 22 15:32:10 mickeyl: Did you ever try orinoco without wep? May 22 15:32:26 RP: actually i never tried it _with_ wep :) May 22 15:32:34 i have an open system here at home May 22 15:32:39 mickeyl: ah, that's good :) May 22 15:32:40 and on all places i use the card May 22 15:33:02 mickeyl: I've yet to manage to break the orinoco driver... May 22 15:33:17 where are you in the revision history right now? May 22 15:33:17 I'm now quite close to 0.15rc1 May 22 15:33:23 cool May 22 15:33:30 no BAP errors in logread yet ? May 22 15:33:52 The differences are a load of wep key stuff and the spectrum firmware loading code May 22 15:34:02 I've not seen one May 22 15:34:05 excellent. then it means you're close to the root of the problem. May 22 15:34:32 mickeyl: Maybe. I'm a little worried to get this close but not see any issues at all... May 22 15:34:45 RP: you could try 0.15rc1 May 22 15:34:51 just to make sure it's not me May 22 15:34:52 heh May 22 15:35:20 it's still in OE and should build at least against 2.6.11 May 22 15:35:20 I did wonder about that :) May 22 15:35:47 I'll just continue along given I'm this far May 22 15:36:00 mickeyl: wb May 22 15:36:07 mickeyl: you said the evil word (BAP) May 22 15:36:09 good. i'm really curious May 22 15:36:17 BAP - von drinne nach drüsse May 22 15:36:22 but that was before your times May 22 15:36:23 heh May 22 15:36:42 mickeyl: my 'colleagues' listen to BAP when testing audio stuff... *horror* May 22 15:36:43 (BAP is the name of a rockband in cologne) May 22 15:36:51 horror indeed. May 22 15:37:23 hehe May 22 15:37:43 mickeyl: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/spec.diff and http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/spec3.diff are the differences left for 0.15rc1 May 22 15:38:06 mickeyl: I've broken bitbake again, it now uses ~1MB more for 2000 files May 22 15:38:50 RP: ah well, some nasty things are unapplied yet. wouldn't surprise if the error is straight ahead May 22 15:39:51 OT: did anyone ever tortured david hinds for inventing the most obfuscated kernel/userland interface i've ever seen? May 22 15:40:02 mickeyl: I'm not sure any of that is particularly nasty May 22 15:40:21 RP: well, not nasty per se, but i have the feeling that some alignment issues are coming along the changes May 22 15:40:56 alignment, byte ordering or even sizeof May 22 15:41:45 mickeyl: true. I have been leaving those type of changes until last. Just so the code comparisions are easier :) May 22 15:42:03 sure. good policy. May 22 15:42:49 mickeyl: Its nice to be down to a 70kb diff :) May 22 15:43:07 RP: good work. you came from 500 or so? May 22 15:43:21 mickeyl: ok tell me about the 'Geheimnis-Prinzip' and python May 22 15:43:40 * mickeyl sighs and thinks 'no wonder people are rather parsing the output of cardctl instead of talking directly to the pcmcia layer' May 22 15:43:47 zecke: short talk: there is none May 22 15:43:48 mickeyl: if I've a class Foo and in __init__(self): self.__hidden = "Moo" May 22 15:44:06 mickeyl: dir(instance_ofFoo) shows _Foohidden May 22 15:44:21 mickeyl: Something like that. I've lost track :) May 22 15:44:22 mickeyl: other members show up just fine, what is python doing? May 22 15:45:05 zecke: actually i never used that kind of hiding the implementation. however what's happening here is that python obfuscates the variable to make it harder to access it from extern. May 22 15:45:11 zecke: __ is replaced with _ClassName May 22 15:45:56 mickeyl: so it tries to at least offer some kind of encapsulating May 22 15:46:03 yes May 22 15:46:05 it tries May 22 15:46:25 bitbake just starts after parsing the files no delay, no provider hash building May 22 15:46:28 not very hard, but it tries May 22 15:46:29 heh May 22 15:46:38 zecke: woot :) May 22 15:47:06 mickeyl: I probably need ~500kb-1mb more of memory May 22 15:47:20 i think we can live with that amount ;) May 22 15:47:35 now I need someone to get me an ibook... May 22 15:48:19 mickeyl: now I'm pretty much done with bin/bitbake, you can go on with your shell (after your PHD is fully written down) May 22 15:48:57 zecke: very good. i will continue to work on the shell when i'm tired from writing scientific stuff May 22 15:48:58 heh May 22 15:49:32 it is late enough to do perl stuff... May 22 15:50:40 mickeyl: I start to buy M$ idea on the Common Language Interface May 22 15:50:51 mickeyl: write what you need in the language you want May 22 15:51:00 mickeyl: cross the boundaries, compatible types... May 22 15:51:15 sure, there's nothing wrong to settle on a common byte format to allow chosing the best language for a certain part of an application May 22 15:51:30 if it wasn't a java lookalike i'd actually like c# May 22 15:51:36 :D May 22 15:52:32 hehe May 22 15:52:59 OT: is parsing svg very resource intensive ? May 22 15:53:22 mickeyl: rendering or just parsing? May 22 15:53:31 s/parsing/rendering/ May 22 15:53:40 mickeyl: with ECMA script without? May 22 15:53:46 what is ECMA ? May 22 15:53:50 say common icons May 22 15:53:50 mickeyl: Java Script May 22 15:53:51 nothing special May 22 15:54:04 mickeyl: you wouldn't want to do it on the fly on arm May 22 15:54:10 ah bummer May 22 15:54:18 not even on xscale 400 ? May 22 15:54:33 mickeyl: you don't even do it on a desktop ;) May 22 15:54:45 mickeyl: but probably with a small subset of svg it would be doable May 22 15:54:45 too bad. May 22 15:54:55 mickeyl: (no font rendering, no right to left languages...) May 22 15:55:40 * reenoo_ heads off to bed May 22 15:55:43 'night all May 22 15:55:45 g'night reenoo_ May 22 15:55:46 cya May 22 15:56:52 well i guess i can dump the plan to just rely on svg in opie2 then :D May 22 15:57:32 prerendering at build time is nice and all, but rendering on the fly would've been really cool May 22 15:57:36 mickeyl: Write a SVG-renderer co processor and sell the design to ARM Ltd. May 22 15:57:55 actually my vlsi is quite rusty, i don't think i want to go there May 22 15:58:08 mickeyl: looked into cairo? May 22 15:58:25 kergoth: not really looked into, but i've heard about it May 22 15:58:40 kergoth: do you think it will be able to render on the fly? May 22 15:58:47 kergoth: lets say 40 icons in one second? May 22 15:59:03 dunno, havent used it much, and certainly havent profiled it May 22 15:59:09 but its something to play with and find out :) May 22 15:59:10 :) May 22 15:59:29 let me break bitbake more (until my svn access is revoked) May 22 15:59:34 go ahead May 22 15:59:36 hehe May 22 15:59:38 i'll curse you tomorrow May 22 15:59:40 g'night May 22 16:04:47 zecke: doing vector graphics on the fly can be fast. May 22 16:04:58 !Draw on an ARM2 is reasonably nippy. May 22 16:05:11 add in some bitmap caching and it flies. May 22 16:06:23 kergoth has tslib gone stable? May 22 16:06:43 ? May 22 16:06:51 "gone stable"? May 22 16:06:55 it hasnt _released_, no May 22 16:07:13 Just wondering May 22 16:09:52 zecke, maybe you should talk to raster ... he decided 380images/second was to slow so he is trying to accellerate parts of e17 again May 22 16:10:28 eh, he's never satisfied.. May 22 16:10:46 my oe is failing on flex - the sourceforge download problem - does it just need a native flex? If so I'll install a rpm May 22 16:10:48 well the e17 libs are pretty amazin May 22 16:11:47 i know that he did incorporate cairo initially as a test but decided its too slow currently May 22 16:11:57 waiting for it to mature May 22 16:14:02 wow bitbake isnt eating all of my ram May 22 16:14:13 and grinding my harddisk May 22 16:14:44 bitbake seems alot better than a month ago May 22 16:20:36 kergoth: is there an equivalent to cvs history in svn? May 22 16:21:16 emte: what device did he measure it on? I find his 'tests' from time to time quite amusing May 22 16:23:27 probably his workstation, we kinds degraded into a discussion on the size of the images May 22 16:23:33 kind of* May 22 16:23:58 i am thinking all the images were 600dpi from how tweh conversation went ... May 22 16:24:03 the* May 22 16:24:36 emte: what size, colors, ecma script, what text rendering..., different fonts?, glyph caching? May 22 16:26:10 no clue, they were just a collection he had to test it on i guess May 22 16:26:11 Actually I don't know too much about SVG May 22 16:26:59 but he is probably the best person to talk to about accelerating graphics May 22 16:27:31 probably yes but his 'tests' really scare me May 22 16:27:43 they are pretty intensive May 22 16:27:52 he builds them to break things May 22 16:28:09 then he fixes whats broken May 22 16:28:16 or not good enough May 22 16:38:46 emte: I remember his 'loading of jpeg' profiling... May 22 16:39:02 emte: it is ridicoulous, specially since Qt does it since version 2.0.0... May 22 16:39:17 and it is part of the file format to do scaled loading of images... May 22 16:39:37 anyway good nitr May 22 16:40:22 treke|home: offroadgeek : tinderbox status: I started to know what I'm doing. I need to write a svn and bk TinderDB:VC module though May 22 16:40:28 good May 22 16:40:39 though I think i've decided I dont care May 22 16:40:52 treke|home: oh well ;) May 22 16:40:57 I dunno May 22 16:41:04 treke|home: what did happen? May 22 16:41:09 been a long time coming May 22 16:41:44 but I dont know May 22 16:42:41 :} May 22 16:44:30 * zecke nees sleep now May 22 16:44:58 night May 22 16:56:39 [16:36] treke|home: offroadgeek : tinderbox status: I started to know what I'm doing. I need to write a svn and bk TinderDB:VC module though May 22 16:58:34 treke|home: sounds good May 22 18:07:00 hi all May 22 19:23:31 hello, I've been furiously reading the docs, so I can do a build, but I have a question about the directories May 22 19:24:25 i can try to help May 22 19:24:31 hey raster how goes it May 22 19:24:40 I can't find the mothod to PR this, so I'm not going to, but I found inthe docs that it says that it's important to respect the directory structure, but the doc section that describes it May 22 19:24:53 emte: hey emmie! May 22 19:25:02 busy May 22 19:25:04 as usual May 22 19:25:12 hi all May 22 19:25:32 is either completely missing, or keeps on referring to "stuff" which isn't well described. May 22 19:25:48 robert________________________: __________ _______ & ____________ May 22 19:25:55 raster, i decided to do some cleaning earlier ... adn well you know when you delete those dirs you think you dont need and later do? .... May 22 19:26:04 I can't tell if any of the direcories are children, parents, or in whatever kind of relationship May 22 19:26:12 emte: oops! May 22 19:26:12 :) May 22 19:26:23 chuckr, try a specific description of the issue May 22 19:26:46 anyway raster i am having a problem linking Ecore.h back in ... May 22 19:27:04 ok, I was trying to find out, there appears to be 3 dirs you need, they are bitbake, build, and openembedded, are any of them parents of any? May 22 19:27:06 basicly its not May 22 19:27:22 chuckr, you need BBPATH and BBFILES May 22 19:27:44 I am aware of that, but I need to know what it looks like before I can define it May 22 19:27:45 of which those are dependants normally May 22 19:28:18 bitbake is the build system build is just that openembedded are the metafiles to build with May 22 19:28:20 the docs clearly stae that you need to have BBPATH set up, but I can't do that with the avaikable info May 22 19:28:20 raster:hehe May 22 19:29:02 there really is not much required in BBPATH May 22 19:29:10 if I wanted to have then sit underneath /usr somewhere, can you please sugest to me a setup that will work? May 22 19:29:27 echo $BBPATH May 22 19:29:27 /home/igor/fabrication/build/:/home/igor/fabrication/packages/:/home/igor/fabrication/bitbake/trunk/bitbake/bin/:/home/igor/fabrication/openembedded May 22 19:29:31 is mine May 22 19:29:38 I realze there is more than o ne right way, but if yo won't give emough inf, I'm dead May 22 19:29:40 you only need build and openembedded May 22 19:29:44 build first, openembedded second May 22 19:29:50 the former so it can locate conf/local.conf May 22 19:29:56 the latter so it can locate bitbake.conf and the rest May 22 19:30:16 ok, ane BBPATH points to the parent of build and openembeded? May 22 19:30:24 ? May 22 19:30:30 i just told you what BBPATH is May 22 19:30:32 build, and openembedded May 22 19:30:34 what does BBPATH piiunt to? May 22 19:30:40 export BBPATH=/path/to/build:/path/to/openembedded May 22 19:30:45 the binaries for bitbake May 22 19:30:51 both, ok May 22 19:31:01 you only need build and openembedded May 22 19:31:04 build first, openembedded second May 22 19:31:09 I thoguht it was an exlcusive setup May 22 19:31:09 emte: err. u dont link to ecore.h .... :) May 22 19:31:22 robert___: i couldnt' resist May 22 19:31:27 kergoth: kergie! May 22 19:31:46 hey May 22 19:31:49 hows it goin? May 22 19:31:59 raster, i dont mean like ... i am trying to compile the basic ecore server example again and its not inheriting May 22 19:32:04 link* May 22 19:32:05 can I make one other comment? The folks writing the docs are clearly in love with doing everything by example, but that's a very gard method to track in things like your variable editing May 22 19:32:07 raster: :) May 22 19:32:23 I need to type more slowly and get more right, sorry May 22 19:32:25 raster: take it easy.. :) May 22 19:32:26 chuckr, your welcome to write the docs May 22 19:32:55 I only just found out about this, I need at least *some* time May 22 19:33:17 there are only ~ 3/4 versions strewen around the wiki s May 22 19:33:17 I haven't even got openembedded working for myself yet May 22 19:33:44 but that's only because I've been a bit confused in setting up some things like the direcctories May 22 19:33:48 Setup the environment May 22 19:33:48 $ export BBPATH=/stuff/build:/stuff/openembedded May 22 19:33:48 Note that you should issue all bitbake commands from inside of the build/ directory, or you should override TMPDIR to point elsewhere (by default it goes to tmp/ relative to the directory you run the tools in). May 22 19:33:53 directly from the getting started page May 22 19:33:55 look familiar? May 22 19:33:58 it should, since thats what i just told you May 22 19:34:12 I realize I am at fault for much of that, I'm quite stubborn in the way I look at stuff May 22 19:35:00 and if you truly wanted to understand how BBPATH is handled, you'd go read the damn bitbake manual May 22 19:35:04 which lays it out for you May 22 19:35:14 the use of "stuff" started eto confuse me and towrds the end, I could not untable all the "stuff:" usage May 22 19:35:20 untangle May 22 19:35:24 lol May 22 19:35:31 yeah, it gets funny May 22 19:35:31 kergoth: gah! busy. can't keep up with irc even! May 22 19:35:36 hehe May 22 19:36:06 damnit ... this compiled before ... what did i do ... May 22 19:36:18 I swear sometimes what \comes out when I let my fingers go, I think they are having a very good time at my expense May 22 19:36:22 emte: what is the problem? inherit? link? what May 22 19:36:23 ? May 22 19:36:24 :) May 22 19:36:42 sec i'll spam your pm May 22 19:38:45 normal "cant find header" stuff May 22 19:38:56 kergoth, my problems with stuff got intolerable near the end of the article, because something said made me think that one of the dirs needed to me a parent, but I had thought previously that they were all siblings., so I lost it totally May 22 19:39:29 there is too much reference to "stuff" May 22 19:40:02 ? May 22 19:40:05 /stuff is a path. May 22 19:40:14 wheres the confusion set in? May 22 19:40:29 i could just as well call that /home/blahuser/oe_working_area/ May 22 19:40:37 it's difficult to point to a particular word and say "that's wrong, that's were it went south:" May 22 19:41:07 but it's the overuse of the "stuff" phrase that did it to me, and finally confused me to the point I needed to ask here about the dirs May 22 19:41:25 it isnt our problem if your brain starts making assumptions about word meanings when its just an arbitrary path. May 22 19:41:35 and i have yet to hear a single complaint about it from anyone but you May 22 19:41:43 but if you want to fix it, go righ tahead May 22 19:41:49 the point when it stressed having BBPATH set, and I couldnt do that, that was when I lost it May 22 19:42:21 the example is quite clear. two directories, colon seperated, build, then openembedded May 22 19:42:32 once again, if you really gave a shit about what setting BBPATH does, you would have read the manual May 22 19:42:38 I need to learn how to use WIKIs, I;'m sorry, I don't have the azbility today May 22 19:43:14 maybe I will shut up, but I thopuight it was helpful, if you think I'm wrong, I won't bitch May 22 19:43:54 i did read it, twice over May 22 19:44:25 you came in here, i told you to set BBPATH to the same thing the wiki told you to, and suddenly its more clear to you? May 22 19:46:10 * kergoth gives up and goes back to playing a game May 22 19:46:13 Kergoth, I I must I will go back and reread itm, and be able to popint out the place where it made me thjink that there needed to be a parent-child relationship, but if you're just truyingto make thig into an argument, then I will just go way May 22 19:46:44 I don't want to argue May 22 19:47:46 * emte thinks about that setup script again ... May 22 19:48:00 dont argue..let's play game ...Counter-strike? May 22 19:49:55 ~cow May 22 19:49:57 I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you. May 22 19:50:00 -.- May 22 19:50:05 where was the COW patch? May 22 19:50:13 ~bbcow May 22 19:50:16 i heard bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. now obsolete May 22 19:50:19 thanks May 22 19:50:25 ibot: botsnack May 22 19:50:25 luke-jr_: aw, gee May 22 19:50:40 the "now obsolete" mean it's part of main bitbake? May 22 19:52:46 luke-jr_: it means current bitbake and oe is actually quite a bit better than cow. May 22 19:52:54 luke-jr_: current uses like 20-30 megs of ram or something. May 22 19:53:40 COW used only like 20 IIRC =p May 22 19:53:55 no, cow used between 100 and 200 May 22 19:54:01 as opposed to the 500 or so for stock May 22 19:54:08 ooh right... 20 *percent* XD May 22 19:54:17 tho current bitbake is at 24% right now May 22 19:54:20 (of 1 GB) May 22 19:54:30 current as of when? May 22 19:54:32 and that's only 50% of bbs parsed May 22 19:54:39 current as of svn up 5 min ago May 22 19:54:50 last time i did a build, mine used around 30 megs with all of them parsed May 22 19:54:57 but it may have changed since then, dunno May 22 19:55:19 so is there an updated COW patch? May 22 19:55:26 no May 22 19:55:41 does the 30-meg-only need cache enabled? May 22 19:55:46 no idea May 22 19:55:52 COW is _obselete_ May 22 19:55:58 is something about that hard to understand? May 22 19:56:11 COW is as far as I can see, the only sane way to use bitbake May 22 19:56:18 you're seeing what you want to see May 22 19:56:25 current bitabke no longer holds all the files in ram _AT ALL_ May 22 19:56:27 copy on write or not. May 22 19:56:41 then why was it using 240+ MB of RAM? May 22 19:56:47 how the fuck should i know? May 22 19:56:49 At revision 205. May 22 19:56:56 cow is obselete. May 22 19:56:59 I somehow got the idea that you were a developer May 22 19:57:10 yes, who hasnt looked at zecke's recent modifications May 22 19:57:21 oh well, cache seems to help May 22 19:57:25 perhasp you've never developed, but being a developer doesnt imply knowing _all_ of hte code May 22 19:57:48 current bitabke no longer holds all the files in ram _AT ALL_ May 22 19:57:51 you made the implication May 22 19:57:54 thats a fact. May 22 19:57:58 period. May 22 19:58:05 if its using more ram, it isnt due to holding all the files in ram May 22 19:58:08 its due to other modifications May 22 19:58:16 COW is obselete. May 22 19:58:17 if you haven't looked at zecke's recent modifications, how do you know he didn't change it back? May 22 19:58:20 should we say it some more, together? May 22 19:59:11 kergoth should go play game before he explodes :) May 22 19:59:43 :) May 22 20:11:31 it is difficult to understand the final of star wars 3 May 22 20:13:12 I disagree, but that is OT May 22 20:14:00 hehe ,maybe it will have star wars 4 .5 .6 May 22 20:14:18 this is a developer lounge. the only things that are OT are things for which there's a specific other place it should be discussed. like zaurus hardware in #zaurus, or familiar user questions in #handhelds.org. May 22 20:15:16 ... so you'd prefer that I detail why I think SW3 made sense? O.o; May 22 20:15:33 i dont really care either way, just saying May 22 20:23:55 or #familiar or #gpe or #handhelds.org-dev May 22 20:25:48 heh :) May 22 20:26:01 :-) May 22 20:27:10 then again, this could be the perfect place to announce that the 2ndary time server is working again, time2.handhelds.org May 22 20:27:11 * france ducks May 22 21:14:38 hmmm. icefox is headed to norway? May 22 21:16:51 ben is? why? May 22 21:17:13 trolltech May 22 21:17:56 too bad he isn't moving to australia :p May 22 21:20:28 anyone actually been able to afford a OQO to develop on it? May 22 21:21:21 nice looking device ... terrible price tag May 22 21:21:32 http://www.oqo.com/ May 22 21:22:19 1ghz is a nice feature ... too bad it doesnt have more ram is about all i can say May 22 21:22:44 neat.. May 22 21:23:44 yeah but its ~$2000usd May 22 21:23:59 hawhaw, crazy May 22 21:24:41 usb 1.1? May 22 21:26:01 I am not as good at navigating the wiki as I could bem I need to find the corect values for the following vars: TARGET_ARCG, TARGET_OS, MACHINE, DISTRO, and TARGET_FPU May 22 21:26:35 that fist one was supposed to me TARGET_ARCH May 22 21:27:03 anyone know what corect values would be in targetting a Zaurus? May 22 21:27:33 just set MACHINE and DISTRO May 22 21:27:41 the machine specific .conf generally sets the architecture May 22 21:27:46 and the distro .conf generally sets the os May 22 21:27:52 which zaurus? May 22 21:31:44 The C3000 May 22 21:32:52 I got an error message when I tried 'bitbake world' that said I needed to have the 5 values May 22 21:33:03 grep -i c3000 openembedded/conf/machine/* May 22 21:33:10 yes. May 22 21:33:13 they need to be set May 22 21:33:15 ok May 22 21:33:17 but _you_ dont need to set htem all May 22 21:33:33 chuckr, i dont think "world" is what you want ... May 22 21:33:50 world builds every package in oe, and will take days and over 25 gigs of hard disk space May 22 21:33:52 what do I want, I couldnt decide where to start ... May 22 21:34:24 I couldn't see the name of the way to build the compilers (cross, I suppose) May 22 21:34:24 most people start with gpe-image or opie-image ... May 22 21:34:47 didnt someone tell you this yesterday? bitbake anything that needs a compiler, adn oe will build the compiler May 22 21:34:50 or just bitbake gcc-cross May 22 21:34:51 or qpe-image i guess May 22 21:34:52 I'm very curious to se what builds May 22 21:35:14 ok May 22 21:36:47 the wiki page gives nano as an example of one of the many things you can build May 22 21:36:54 is this another case of you not understanding the examples, or..? May 22 21:37:15 I'm not sure what to put into the machine var, the file name it gave me ?machine/spitz.conf)? May 22 21:37:36 then spitz is your machine May 22 21:37:40 MACHINE = "spitz" May 22 21:37:45 ok May 22 21:39:18 huh, nothing provides gcc-cross, I need to figure out the error message meanings May 22 21:39:58 I had missed the config file, it's already fixed May 22 21:40:48 kergoth, and I building a xscale cross compiler? Whjat's the handling of the float? May 22 21:41:05 ? May 22 21:41:15 if nothing provides gcc-cross, you didnt set up your environment correctly. May 22 21:41:24 either your BBPATH is wrong, or your local.conf is May 22 21:41:43 its building a crosscompiler for whatever platform is. you neednt concern yourself with the details. May 22 21:41:50 I just refershed my config file, that fixed it May 22 21:41:58 floating point policy is determined by the distro. openzaurus is sfot float, familiar is not May 22 21:46:21 very good, ok, I'm recognizing things, obviousl errors here and there May 22 21:46:39 my errors, not your! May 22 21:46:45 forget I said that! May 22 21:59:23 I just hunted down the right version of quilt, where does oe cache downloads? May 22 22:02:27 its all in the local.conf file you edited May 22 22:03:08 oh, I see, thanks May 22 22:04:19 :D May 22 22:04:36 you didnt want kergoth to answer that question, anyway May 22 22:05:14 you're right, he definately didnt May 22 22:14:51 kergoth is evil May 22 22:20:17 RP: ping May 22 22:37:52 Anyone know where I can get tosa-machine-base-r6.patch from? :| May 22 22:39:33 read the bb and see what the src_uri is set to May 22 22:39:51 treke|home: it's not there, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be asking... -.- May 22 22:40:03 that path only has -r4 May 22 22:40:05 tell us where there is. May 22 22:40:15 we aren't mind readers May 22 22:51:57 woohoo! got the quickam usb working on a c3000 :) hehehehe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 22 23:59:56 2005