**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 23 23:59:56 2005 May 24 00:39:08 morning May 24 00:46:28 morning all May 24 00:49:41 my work machine sounds like a 747 taking off May 24 00:50:28 My build box "server" is like that. I ended up putting it in a different room :) May 24 00:52:38 RP: I think its becuase "office" computers were never designed to actually do work May 24 00:53:50 This thing has dual 10" high speed fans which have something to do with the noise level :-/ May 24 00:54:24 RP: I want that sort of monstering :-( May 24 00:57:01 hi May 24 00:57:04 GPE hates me May 24 00:57:06 morning hrw|work May 24 00:57:16 hrw|work: thats because your cursed by opie May 24 00:57:33 XorA: why that .... does not have filemanager? May 24 00:57:55 why it create /home/hrw/ramdisk/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/../hrw/ May 24 00:58:14 hrw|work: the recursive link Ive no idea on, seems to be normal though May 24 00:58:23 hrw|work: filemanager, yeah that would be nice May 24 00:58:48 I had to login as root just to clean hrw account May 24 00:59:08 because when logged as hrw nothing works "no .gpe dir" error.. May 24 01:00:50 and one more thing... gpe image should have magnifier installed as "gpe-conf theme" (so called look & feel) does not work on user account May 24 01:01:23 works ok on root account May 24 01:03:47 hrw|work: works here May 24 01:04:44 lucky one.. May 24 01:05:44 hrw|work: did you start from ox-3.5.3? May 24 01:05:51 no May 24 01:05:59 hrw|work: well then maybe work in progress :-) May 24 01:06:05 distro=openzaurus and date 20050520 iirc May 24 01:06:49 that reminds me actually xrandr is b0rked May 24 01:11:01 good morning all May 24 01:11:09 hi koen May 24 01:19:31 Linux c7x0 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 #1 PREEMPT Thu May 12 12:02:24 CEST 2005 armv5tel unknown May 24 01:19:31 09:18:16 up 6 days, 14:58, load average: 0.07, 0.01, 0.00 May 24 01:19:47 RP: I like 2.6 on my Z :) May 24 01:19:57 I booted my gpe husky so often today.... May 24 01:20:02 ~hail sysrq+b May 24 01:20:05 * ibot bows down to sysrq+b and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" May 24 01:20:32 koen: I'm pleased its working well :). May 24 01:22:56 morning May 24 01:25:08 morning reenoo_ May 24 01:27:22 hey RP May 24 01:27:44 RP: yeah, your 2.6 rocks May 24 01:28:10 RP: though CF on 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 is delicate May 24 01:28:37 hey reenoo_ May 24 01:28:49 2.6 rocks, gpe sucks May 24 01:28:51 as long as cf-wifi and sd work, I'm happy May 24 01:32:49 yo koen May 24 01:33:16 * XorA installs pdaXrom on hrw|work May 24 01:33:47 eeks! May 24 01:33:51 not the xrom May 24 01:34:18 XorA: on CF I have nand backup of opie ;) May 24 01:35:13 never diss the GPE until you tried the worst May 24 01:35:47 XorA: in corner of screen I have look&feel window which waits for his own death May 24 01:36:08 I think that it will dissapear in next few minutes May 24 01:36:20 hrw|work: it would have been advisable to start from stable point, then work by upgrades May 24 01:36:31 I have weird not-needed symlinks to symlinks May 24 01:36:49 and no filemanager ;( May 24 01:37:03 * XorA suddenly thinks compiling minimo is going to kill this machine May 24 01:38:22 can someone create meta-gpe-all.bb? May 24 01:39:41 ipkg install gpe-filemanager :) May 24 01:40:37 XorA: sometimes I think minimo is worse than X or glibc compiling May 24 01:40:49 minimo fetching is nightmare May 24 01:43:50 it used to be even worse May 24 01:44:01 it fetched a script that started another fetch May 24 01:44:14 so CVSDATE didn't work on minimo May 24 01:46:39 heh May 24 01:47:49 does minimo work any better in current versions btw? (compared to the version shipped with familiar 0.8.2) May 24 01:48:08 like.. does the back button work? May 24 01:48:21 reenoo_: sometimes it renders html May 24 01:49:08 XorA: I figured that much and switched back to dillo2 May 24 01:49:18 sad, but true May 24 01:49:40 reenoo_: dillo2 is ok for a lot of stuff, wish we had a later one though May 24 01:49:48 reenoo_: I have firefox on my Z May 24 01:54:09 reenoo_: links x11 works well :-) May 24 01:54:25 heh May 24 02:02:13 minimo and firefox are a great way to test OOM on my corgi May 24 02:02:48 koen: does osb-browser work for you? May 24 02:03:00 haven't testet that in a while May 24 02:03:36 well, I know that current CVS builds again. haven't got to testing it on a device yet. May 24 02:04:00 | /bin/sed: can't read /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/husky/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/glib-2.0-2.6.4-r0/glib-2.6.4/glib/libglib-2.0.la: No such file or directory May 24 02:04:20 XorA: CF handling should be more stable in the recent 2.6.12-xxx kernels, not more fragile :-( May 24 02:04:31 it should not look in tmp/work for that.. (got it during gnome-vfs-dbus build) May 24 02:04:52 RP: hotplug never unmounts the FS when you do cardctl eject, the kernel then tends to oops May 24 02:05:04 RP: hostap tends to lock up after a while May 24 02:05:23 RP: have to reboot to get wireless back May 24 02:05:52 XorA: If mickey's added the latest udev to oe, I'd try adding that and see if it helps May 24 02:06:06 RP: ok, Ill try next time Im flashing May 24 02:06:37 XorA: I keep meaning to try it myself but haven't got there yet :) May 24 02:08:11 RP: I actually dreamed about bootloaders last night :-) May 24 02:14:16 morning folks May 24 02:14:31 hi mickeyl May 24 02:15:22 moin mickeyl May 24 02:17:52 heh.. I will start reporting GPE building bugs May 24 02:18:14 NOTE: [11:14] package gnome-vfs-dbus-2.8.4.4-r0: task do_compile: failed May 24 02:18:57 why it search for dbus and glib in tmp/work/ May 24 02:24:05 hi all May 24 02:24:42 proti: is it ok? May 24 02:28:23 GPE stuff is not buildable after cleaning tmp/work/ May 24 02:29:32 http://pastebin.ca/12499 May 24 02:34:19 morning mickeyl: May 24 02:34:58 XorA: That's just scary :) May 24 02:37:20 hrw|work: why do you need orbit? May 24 02:39:05 morning May 24 02:39:15 b0ti|work: ask maintainer not me May 24 02:39:17 hi all May 24 02:39:30 hi CoreDump May 24 02:41:57 hrw|work: gconf-dbus satisfies gconf, so build gconf-dbus because that doesn't need orbit. May 24 02:42:33 b0ti|work: I build what OE want to build. if something can be done better then it is maintainer work May 24 02:42:59 b0ti|work: I can change opie and console stuff.. dont want to touch gpe/x11 stuff at all May 24 02:43:58 can i append a package to a task dependency list? like DEPENDS_task-bootstrap ? May 24 02:44:13 +="mono" May 24 02:44:54 sorry, dang copy+paste=chaos May 24 02:45:17 BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS +="mono" May 24 02:45:24 :)) thanks! May 24 02:45:35 and _RDEPENDS May 24 02:46:10 koen: whats the rdepends for? May 24 02:47:25 Runtime Depends May 24 02:47:50 hrw|work: this has happened to me the other day. My package was built against gconf-orbit, so I rebuilt gconf-dbus and after that my package was linked against gconf with dbus. I don't know where you can set which gconf you want to use. May 24 02:50:30 koen:thx May 24 02:53:51 ARGHHH May 24 02:54:06 ~curse gpe maintainers^wstuff for looking into tmp/work May 24 02:54:07 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, gpe maintainers^wstuff for looking into tmp/work ! May 24 02:54:32 there is tmp/staging/ for that stuff NOT the tmp/work! May 24 02:54:35 argh... May 24 02:54:45 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3377 10openembedded/packages/python/ (python_2.4.1.bb python-2.4.1-manifest.inc): May 24 02:54:45 Compile the Python core as a shared library - this way external programs can embed it. May 24 02:54:45 Add python-tests, python-libold, python-tkinter, python-bsddb, and python-devel packages May 24 02:55:04 now I have to rebuild whole gpe libs just to compile gpe-helloworld... May 24 02:55:16 hrw|work: that's a libtool problem May 24 02:55:28 the whole .bb doesn't look in /tmp, only staging May 24 02:55:46 koen: I didnt have that libtool problem with other stuff May 24 02:56:02 mickeyl: do we have 99% coverage now with python modules? May 24 02:56:13 hrw|work: check the .bb, it only mentions staging May 24 02:57:10 I know libtool stores paths in .la files, so it's better to blame libtool than the .bb maintainer May 24 02:57:19 ~curse libtool May 24 02:57:20 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, libtool ! May 24 02:58:15 koen: 95% and counting May 24 02:58:17 heh May 24 03:00:21 03koen 07 * r1.3376.1.1 10openembedded/packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gconf->gconf-dbus May 24 03:01:07 * koen doesn't get this whole virtual thing May 24 03:02:16 I hate libtool (now even more then gpe was hated in the morning) May 24 03:05:04 hrw|work: libtool and auto* does my nut in May 24 03:15:58 hmm, just finished opie-image and meta-opie, had to adapt meta-opie (remove knights and uae) and 'create' a gnutls_1.0.24, but other than that, all went fine. May 24 03:16:18 Hertog: uae... forgot to remove that from meta-opie.. May 24 03:16:45 and we have to decide what to do with knights.. its unfetchable ;( May 24 03:17:19 yeah, tried to find the sources, but nowhere to be found May 24 03:18:43 hrw|work: there is already a bugreport on the gnutls thing. I just copied the .23 to .24 and removed the patch (haven't checked if it was still needed tho) May 24 03:19:21 hrw|work: that one: http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.0/package-sources/knights.tar.gz ? May 24 03:19:29 koen: yep May 24 03:19:30 oz.org should have one too May 24 03:19:38 hrw|work: uae is dead? May 24 03:19:46 thanks to that gpl bullcrap May 24 03:19:54 XorA: uae yes. e-uae exist May 24 03:20:20 hrw|work: should import AROS :-) May 24 03:21:50 heh.. it looks like my home machine hang again May 24 03:22:29 in moments like this I dont like linux/x86... no method to get dmesg after reboot May 24 03:23:55 hrw|work: right it to cmos May 24 03:24:16 hrw|work: eh, indeed, that would be handy in case of 'mysteriously hanging remote machines' May 24 03:24:34 hrw|work: I put all messages into syslog May 24 03:24:50 XorA: on amiga I could boot into shell and use amigaos version of dmesg which scan whole ram for linux dmesg buffer May 24 03:24:55 that catches the most obvious ones May 24 03:26:08 hrw|work: log to lpt1: May 24 03:26:43 XorA: Hehe, read Clifford Stoll's "The coocoo's egg"? May 24 03:27:12 XorA: ;) May 24 03:27:14 Hertog: the what and what? May 24 03:27:24 XorA: I have it disabled since eons May 24 03:28:10 XorA: http://mostlyfiction.com/adventure/stoll.htm May 24 03:28:43 XorA: (and it isn't fiction btw) May 24 03:28:58 nice book May 24 03:29:23 Hertog: same story is in hacker crackdown is it not? May 24 03:29:27 how to trace connection in times when ping, traceroute was not written May 24 03:29:44 XorA: don't know that one May 24 03:29:46 hrw|work: X.25 tracing used to be fun May 24 03:30:03 Hertog: Bruce Sterling, its available on internet to download, also in shops to buy May 24 03:30:15 hrw|work: indeed ;) tracking from phone switchboard to phone switchboard ;) May 24 04:28:53 hmm, the bluetooth modules for the 2.6 kernel need the setserial util... May 24 04:29:08 should that be added to the dependency list? May 24 04:29:25 do they really need it? May 24 04:29:37 my bt card worked withouth setserial May 24 04:29:39 serial_cs seems to... I'll check it May 24 04:29:44 using serial_cs May 24 04:29:52 koen: what card is it? May 24 04:30:02 BT0100M May 24 04:30:24 new or old one (bt0101M on label?) May 24 04:30:36 panbt0101M on the label May 24 04:30:50 koen: with the honking bright blue led? ;) May 24 04:30:57 yes! May 24 04:31:01 hehe May 24 04:31:08 isn't working for me May 24 04:31:21 have all unknown tty;s May 24 04:31:31 mickeyl has the same, and it's working for him too May 24 04:31:42 you do have to remember it registers a ttyS3 May 24 04:31:46 in cat /proc/tty/driver/serial (exept for ttyS0) May 24 04:32:11 yeah I know (it tells me :)) but hciconfig gives nothing May 24 04:32:29 you have to hciattach it first May 24 04:32:37 duh ;) May 24 04:33:13 :) somewhere I knew that ;) hmm, now what was that command line again? ;) May 24 04:33:16 you don't want to know how many people get that wrong May 24 04:33:41 hciattach /dev/ttyS3 bcsp May 24 04:33:44 that should work May 24 04:35:03 ;) bingo... hmm, that something that hcid does for you on laptops and stuff? May 24 04:35:17 not sure May 24 04:35:27 serial dongles need special care May 24 04:35:39 usb and straight pcmcia ones don't need hciattach May 24 04:36:00 Next USB CF card ;) a sitecom CN-501 ;) May 24 04:36:19 ah, and in laptop I use it with a cf->pcmcia convertor May 24 04:36:25 hcid is unrelated to hciattach May 24 04:37:19 Hmm, now to make the pcmcia script smart enough to do the hciattach line upon insertiona May 24 04:47:45 on most models with recent versions of bluetooth tools this card should work out of the box now May 24 04:47:52 hciattach is called automatically May 24 04:48:16 the only problem is the cardmgr who doesn't pick it up as ttyS3 yet May 24 04:49:53 s/who/which/ May 24 04:49:56 on some kernels May 24 04:52:14 mickeyl: recent versions as in cvsdate and bk pull on yesterday? ;) May 24 04:53:35 yeah, that should be enough May 24 04:53:38 where's your problem? May 24 04:54:20 does cardmgr recognize the card? if not we may have to add a new signature to bluetooth.conf May 24 04:55:13 Z860, the BT0101M card. Upon insertion, cardmgr recognizes the card (it's the last one added to bluetooth.conf, with the opie comment), but hciattach is not called automagically May 24 04:55:49 paste me the logread output May 24 04:55:52 upon insertion May 24 04:56:41 * koen just has a /etc/sysconfig/bluetooth which gpe-bt-applet uses May 24 04:57:50 I'm really against any userland utilities except cardmgr calling hciattach, irattach, and friends. It's a conceptional breach if they do - hence we have to fix it @ cardmgr layer. May 24 04:58:26 mickeyl: power saving May 24 04:58:37 on ipaqs you need to call it to save power May 24 04:59:12 unless you want all serial bt dongles to be powered on at all times May 24 04:59:18 mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/12506 May 24 04:59:25 no problem, cardmgr deals with that May 24 04:59:32 this is what we have cardctl suspend for May 24 04:59:48 and for serial dongles on the pxa uart? May 24 04:59:56 say, all ipaqs with bluetooth? May 24 05:00:27 Hertog: ok, you suffer from two problems. May 24 05:00:42 Hertog: 1st) like i said, cardmgr gets the tty id false. no idea why May 24 05:01:01 2st) you need setserial or else the bluetooth script doesn't continue... the next operation after setserial is calling hciattach May 24 05:01:30 That's what I thought, hence my question for dependancy on setserial May 24 05:01:51 yeah, lets add it anyway May 24 05:01:53 it's small May 24 05:02:36 mickeyl: why is setserial needed? May 24 05:02:48 the card works on both my ipaq and z without setserial May 24 05:03:18 03mickeyl * r211 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: May 24 05:03:18 Mickey's style and performance tunings, volume I: May 24 05:03:18 * substitute 'if dictionary.has_key( key )' with 'if key in dictionary' May 24 05:03:18 It's faster, more understandable and looks much better May 24 05:04:03 heh.. I have to get some time to work on bittest then May 24 05:04:15 # May 24 05:04:15 # Serial devices May 24 05:04:15 # May 24 05:04:15 start_serial() { May 24 05:04:15 IRQ=`setserial /dev/$DEVICE | sed -e 's/.*IRQ: //'` May 24 05:04:16 setserial /dev/$DEVICE irq 0 ; setserial /dev/$DEVICE irq $IRQ May 24 05:04:17 /sbin/hciattach $DEVICE $MANFID May 24 05:04:19 } May 24 05:05:02 just for setting an irq? May 24 05:05:14 looks like it May 24 05:05:23 do we *really* *need* that? May 24 05:05:33 *shrug* May 24 05:05:36 why are you so against setserial? May 24 05:05:39 it's a tiny utility May 24 05:05:41 giving the complaints we've been getting about bloat and stuff May 24 05:05:45 uhm May 24 05:05:53 setserial is small and very handy May 24 05:06:01 it is May 24 05:06:02 if you don't want to ship it, patch this script May 24 05:06:20 there's more bloat on the GUI level than on the base level, so you better ignore users comments May 24 05:06:26 yeah May 24 05:06:44 and i consider _alwin_ not to speak for the majority of OE developers May 24 05:06:44 heh May 24 05:06:49 I'm not on the PDA is pim-only groucho branch May 24 05:07:08 groucho/alwin even May 24 05:07:09 don't forget... 'they who do the work are who make the decisions' May 24 05:07:16 which would be... May 24 05:07:16 us May 24 05:07:17 :D May 24 05:07:21 :) May 24 05:07:26 Eh, I'm using the Z as a laptopreplacement when having 'on call' duty :) May 24 05:07:26 ;) May 24 05:07:27 did hrw add fuser yet? May 24 05:07:43 koen: I had to but finally didnt May 24 05:07:53 Hertog: could you take a stab at looking into why cardmgr picks up the serial port wrong? May 24 05:08:20 has anyone used the new 2.6 pcmcia thing yet? May 24 05:08:26 I'll try the lot and try to see what is going on. May 24 05:08:30 Hertog: cool May 24 05:08:52 koen: not yet. we need to stop shipping pcmcia-cs on 2.6 images May 24 05:08:57 and substitute that with pcmciautils May 24 05:09:03 then look what broke May 24 05:09:05 i suspect a lot May 24 05:09:17 because the manfid mappings are now in kernel :/ May 24 05:09:25 a disputable decision, if you ask me May 24 05:09:32 they are? May 24 05:09:38 * reenoo shrugs May 24 05:09:42 mayor crappiness May 24 05:09:43 ha! changing hostname at work allow me to work with bk again May 24 05:09:50 hrw|work: good May 24 05:10:05 ~lart openlogging again May 24 05:10:06 * ibot throws openlogging again's poor little doggy off a cliff May 24 05:10:35 in kernel? why not do it like the pci-id's.. May 24 05:11:05 so we will have lspcmcia? May 24 05:11:12 i hope there will still be a means to supply additional mappings via userland May 24 05:11:19 that would mean recompiling the kernel to get a new device recognized May 24 05:11:23 having to add mappings via kernel patch would be a major suckage May 24 05:12:23 windows all over again May 24 05:12:29 reboot to use devices May 24 05:12:36 i guess it's not that bad May 24 05:12:49 i probably just overlooked the means to supply additional mappings yet May 24 05:13:02 Is there a quick way to refresh the Package file in the deploy/ipk dir? May 24 05:13:28 Hertog: call ipkg-make-index May 24 05:14:55 or rebuild bootstrap-image May 24 05:22:13 (btw, is it just me or does OZ3.5.3 + kernel 2.6 feel a lot 'snappy'-er?) May 24 05:22:21 that's right May 24 05:22:30 it is more or less solely thanks to the kernel May 24 05:22:37 the fb interface is faster and we enabled PREEMPT May 24 05:22:46 that alone gives a much better experience May 24 05:23:22 indeed, I remember scrolling in the packagemanager took ages, first time I did it on the new kernel 't was like...wtf?! May 24 05:23:40 yeah May 24 05:23:53 when you have >32mb ram May 24 05:23:54 Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-sans into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-sans_1.10-r0_all.ipk May 24 05:23:57 Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-sans-mono into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-sans-mono_1.10-r0_all.ipk May 24 05:24:01 Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-sans-condensed into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-sans-condensed_1.10-r0_all.ipk May 24 05:24:04 Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-serif into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-serif_1.10-r0_all.ipk May 24 05:24:07 Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-serif-condensed into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-serif-condensed_1.10-r0_all.ipk May 24 05:24:29 ttf fonts will have less common code ;( May 24 05:26:26 do we have section for ttf fonts? May 24 05:27:49 not yet May 24 05:27:54 ttf ? May 24 05:28:12 or rather May 24 05:28:13 vera is in x11/fonts May 24 05:28:14 fonts/ttf May 24 05:28:26 yeah, i can live with x11/fonts May 24 05:28:37 mickeyl: qpf are in opie/fonts so simple "fonts" is enough May 24 05:29:04 depends. May 24 05:29:15 i think i also would like to change the qpf fonts section to fonts/qte May 24 05:29:26 ok May 24 05:30:20 koen: libfontconfig needs how many libs? I want to RRECOMMEND libfontconfig-utils so opie-freetype user does not have to install fontconfig but can install ttf font package May 24 05:30:30 hrw|work: no idea May 24 05:30:34 now going to lunch May 24 05:30:46 bon appetit May 24 05:31:40 thx May 24 05:32:30 Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.95), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.8), libz1 (>= 1.2.2), libexpat0 (>= 1.95.7), libgcc1 (>= 3.4.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.2+cvs2004 May 24 05:32:55 two libs - libfontconfig1 and libexpat0 May 24 05:33:27 ~130KB May 24 05:35:20 what of the libfontconfig-utils could we need ? May 24 05:35:23 s/we/Opie/ May 24 05:50:53 RP: ping May 24 05:57:20 mickeyl: pong May 24 05:57:51 RP: http://www.vanille.de/temp/collie.txt May 24 05:58:01 RP: 10 BAP errors per second on 2.4.18-embedix May 24 05:58:12 0.15rc1 with Makefile.fix May 24 05:58:18 mickeyl: opie? probably nothing May 24 05:58:38 mickeyl: It will be some incompatibility with 2.4 :-/ May 24 05:59:01 yeah May 24 05:59:45 mickeyl: Have you tried it under 2.4 on the c7x0? May 24 05:59:57 RP: no, not yet. May 24 06:00:19 Its not as if we want to go back to 2.4 :) May 24 06:00:24 hell, no :) May 24 06:00:28 collie is a problem though :-/ May 24 06:00:37 and all the others May 24 06:00:50 Yes :-/ May 24 06:00:54 it'll be a while until the others 2.6 have production quality May 24 06:01:20 I might try and look into it May 24 06:01:43 I have a series of patches that apply to 0.13e that slowly upgrade it May 24 06:02:04 We should really each of those versions and see where it breaks May 24 06:04:12 ya May 24 06:04:23 nothing with high priority though May 24 06:04:42 i'm happy that 0.15rc1 works on 2.6 now May 24 06:04:55 and we probably have to resolve orinoco-modules versions in packages. orinoco-modules_0.13e-r0 is newer then orinoco-modules_0.13e-26. but that is gone with last changesets. now how to get orinoco-modules_0.13e on 2.4 c7x0 when in feed are orinoco-modules_0.13e (for 2.4) and orinoco-modules_0.15rc1 (for 2.6)? May 24 06:04:59 mickeyl: yes, that helps :) May 24 06:06:09 mickeyl: I removed your disable_pci patch btw as that was just hiding symptoms of the makefile problem May 24 06:06:19 RP: fair enough May 24 06:06:47 hrw|work: this problem is already gone May 24 06:06:59 in the future that is May 24 06:07:09 since we won't ship a c7x0 2.4 anymore May 24 06:07:15 ok May 24 06:07:30 There is no longer any need for c7x0 2.4 (yippie) :) May 24 06:07:36 * mickeyl dances a jig May 24 06:07:48 who will bk rm it? May 24 06:08:14 we need it May 24 06:08:17 tosa May 24 06:08:30 and poodle May 24 06:10:13 guess i'll try the current state of tosa 2.6 later tonite May 24 06:11:29 I would like it left around for now as it does give me something to compare with :-/ May 24 06:12:09 mickeyl: by bkrm I mean all c7x0 2.4 stuff May 24 06:12:11 anyone know what John Lenz is up to these days? i miss his status reports May 24 06:12:37 mickeyl: He seems to have lost interest/been busy :-/ May 24 06:12:43 hrw|work: ah right. May 24 06:13:03 RP: weren't there someone who picked up on poodle ? May 24 06:13:18 Last I heard, he couldn't get collie to boot under the latest 2.6.12-rc patches :-/ May 24 06:13:29 mickeyl: not really. Just people who poked at the easy bits :-/ May 24 06:13:42 crumbs May 24 06:14:45 with time progressing, chances fall rapidly that someone gives any love to collie and poodle May 24 06:14:59 they're just too obsoleted nowadays. May 24 06:15:10 Ania decided to not use collie May 24 06:15:16 no? why's that May 24 06:15:43 mickeyl: I was donated a SL-5000 so maybe I might do something. I prefer the c7x0 though... May 24 06:15:56 'does not want to carry something valuable in the bag' thing May 24 06:23:21 mickeyl: and truely speaking for PDA for PIM I would prefer Sony Clie under PalmOS May 24 06:24:39 heh, me too May 24 06:25:19 I used to have truly great PIM: pocket agenda + pen May 24 06:25:21 opie wont get good pim with qt/e 2.3 as it does not have sorting May 24 06:25:52 gpe pim... never tried to use it May 24 06:28:02 i stopped investing any energy in qte 2.3.x related things. my focus now lays on completing a nice set of qt based abstraction classes for various linux related services. these will be usable when the next big thing(tm) has been started May 24 06:28:51 someone tried to get qt3/x11 from OE running on device? May 24 06:29:00 none i know May 24 06:29:06 no one, even May 24 06:29:16 ah well May 24 06:29:20 phil is using it May 24 06:29:22 with mythtv May 24 06:29:31 so it should build and work May 24 06:29:44 he use it on pc so have rather more then 64M ram May 24 06:30:02 zautrix used qt3E for some apps May 24 06:31:08 used or abused? May 24 06:32:16 heh May 24 06:32:21 is there a difference? May 24 06:32:26 hi drw May 24 06:32:47 hello drw May 24 06:33:34 hrw|work: learn gtk :-D May 24 06:35:28 XorA: I fart in gtk direction May 24 06:35:55 hrw|work: gtk eats your farts and makes them look pretty! May 24 06:36:11 XorA: but still stinks May 24 06:36:27 hi everyone May 24 06:58:13 hi pb May 24 06:58:35 greetings pb_ May 24 06:59:19 mickeyl: good afternoon! May 24 06:59:22 hi hrw|work May 24 07:11:02 hmm, my bitbake moans about IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/src/mnci54/tmp/cache/oe_packages_linux_mnci-ramses_2.4.21-rmk2-pxa1.bb' May 24 07:11:22 rm '/usr/src/mnci54/tmp/cache/' -rf May 24 07:11:31 and rerun bitbake May 24 07:11:46 but I have a file there that starts with _usr_src_mnci54_oe_packages_ ... May 24 07:12:03 hey schurig. there have been many bitbake changes in the past days, most of them requiring to erase the cache May 24 07:12:24 koen: did that May 24 07:12:32 koen: and bitbake is fresh from svn, "BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.2.2, bitbake version 1.2.9" May 24 07:12:46 same here May 24 07:12:49 but it always re-creates cache files with _usr_src_... as part of the file name May 24 07:14:30 koen: what is the same, the bb version? Or that you have files that have _usr_src_ or _home_koen_ (or similar) in the cache dir? May 24 07:18:52 bb version May 24 07:19:06 and stuff like _data_build_oe_openembedded_packages_zziplib_zziplib_0.10.82.bb in the cache/ dir May 24 07:20:20 koen: I fixed it by changing bitbake's lib/bb/data_smart.py May 24 07:20:35 koen: self.bbfile = name -> self.bbfile = os.path.abspath(name) May 24 07:20:45 koen: it was confused about absolute and relative paths May 24 07:55:48 hi, where can I find how to build a custom rootfs/initrd using openembedded? May 24 07:55:58 I can't find it on the wiki May 24 07:56:21 I'd like to build a custom initrd with touchscreen tests and bluez_utils May 24 07:57:16 read the getting started section May 24 07:57:28 then read the existing bb's in the meta directory May 24 07:57:48 Arjan: select correct machine, one of ipk using distros, add some packages into BOOTSTRAP and build bootstrap-image May 24 07:59:04 thank you! May 24 08:30:55 koen: /me never likes StarWars May 24 08:31:46 schurig: Warum? May 24 08:34:48 cu May 24 08:45:21 greg72|linux: the fozzy-bear is laugable, as well as space ships that makes sound in the space vacuum ... they have nice weapons, but resort to ancient swordmastery May 24 08:47:29 * mickeyl grins May 24 08:48:28 * schurig smiles back May 24 08:48:45 mickeyl: tomorrow morning 8 o'clock is the time ... May 24 08:48:55 *crossing fingers* May 24 09:06:31 03koen 07 * r1.3379 10openembedded/packages/gpe-fsi/gpe-fsi_0.1.bb: Add gpe-fsi, a gui fronted for the fingerprintscanner found in the iPAQ h5xxx series May 24 09:07:33 re May 24 09:07:39 wb May 24 09:07:50 hi hrw May 24 09:08:04 any ideas why under GPE (logged as hrw not as root) I got root in terminal (not in root shell) May 24 09:08:07 ? May 24 09:08:42 gtk based soft cannot be used then... May 24 09:08:42 oooh, that's a nice feature May 24 09:09:11 koen: especially when each tried soft does not run May 24 09:09:24 I will reboot. May 24 09:12:15 ARGH May 24 09:12:25 ~shoot sharp for lack of rtc May 24 09:12:26 * ibot shoots sharp for lack of rtc in the foot with a cork gun! May 24 09:20:38 and thats enough gpe for now May 24 09:28:15 there is one good thing which sharp did in post collie Zauruses... May 24 09:28:21 NAND Backup/Restore May 24 09:29:03 restoring nand with opie working enviroment May 24 09:36:25 yeah, however don't use the full backup too often May 24 09:36:58 I know - limited writes May 24 09:37:18 * mickeyl beats some sense into opie-tabmanager May 24 09:44:04 next attempt to gpe after oz 3.5.4 or ELD release May 24 09:48:16 is the akita kernel in OE yet? May 24 09:50:46 it is May 24 09:51:35 mickeyl: let opie-tm first allow to change/move/etc and then one button "do it" do all? or atleast busypointer when it is busy with moving... May 24 09:52:01 aha May 24 09:52:14 * koen installs 2.95.3 May 24 09:53:36 heh.. its good to have pda which works.. May 24 10:00:07 * CoreDump|work decides to build an ext2loop GPE imafe when he gets home May 24 10:01:11 03pb 07 * r1.3380 10openembedded/ (3 files in 3 dirs): improve howl packaging May 24 10:01:30 * koen says: Bonjour! May 24 11:10:30 Anyone had a chance to look at my patches mail? May 24 11:11:35 only at the blackbox one May 24 11:11:52 which didn't compile, even after correcting the obvious mistakes May 24 11:12:13 You didnt get it to compile? May 24 11:12:20 no May 24 11:12:40 worked fine for me May 24 11:12:52 it had wrong depends, the src_uri was wrong and after fixing that it failed on xmb stuff during compile May 24 11:13:06 xfonts isn't in OE May 24 11:13:19 so bitbake blackbox-wm always fails May 24 11:13:43 the depends might have been wrong agreed, i think i tried to fix them after i had it compiled. May 24 11:13:56 xfonts is in OE, just need to point them out specificly with -b methink May 24 11:14:08 xfonts isn't in OE? May 24 11:14:10 xfonts-xorg is in OE May 24 11:14:39 good point May 24 11:16:41 hmm... why would 'update' not be getting recent commits? has OE changed repository or something? May 24 11:19:23 koen, could you apply what you got so i got something to work on? May 24 11:19:43 bk pull works ok for me May 24 11:19:43 last change was 2 hours ago May 24 11:20:00 * koen has a feeling kergoth's sync box in between texas and minnesota right now May 24 11:20:54 hmmm.... its not often that pb_ goes missing this time of day May 24 11:21:00 koen: I haven't got updates for over a day May 24 11:21:26 http://pastebin.ca/12534 May 24 11:22:00 luke-jr__: bk parent bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded May 24 11:22:11 Just don't clone from there May 24 11:22:31 um May 24 11:22:40 sfioball? May 24 11:22:51 opensource crap software May 24 11:22:58 better than immoral software May 24 11:23:17 luke-jr__: Well, change it to use that parent. I have no idea how to use that... May 24 11:23:28 RP: ah... I specify the bk:// URI every update May 24 11:23:33 RP: that worked, thanks May 24 11:23:33 ah, bero got OZ/uclibc to boot May 24 11:24:04 * koen wonders hwo that compares to libc speedwise May 24 11:24:05 "immoral"? May 24 11:24:17 koen: BTW, any chance that gpe-fsi thing would work on a Z? May 24 11:24:22 RP: denying my rights May 24 11:25:27 luke-jr__: I'm not going there... May 24 11:25:31 luke-jr__: if your Z is an ipaq h5xxx with a fingerprint sensor, yes May 24 11:26:02 koen: so it's not something that would work with a touchscreen, correct? May 24 11:26:19 no, it requires libfsiclient to work May 24 11:26:31 and that only works with a samcop asic May 24 11:27:01 koen: I wonder if that's the same sensor in the hx2750? May 24 11:27:30 RP: the sensor is pretty simple, the way it is hooked up may not be May 24 11:28:29 koen: The one in the hx2750 is accessed via an spi like interface. I can't trace what it is though May 24 11:39:15 hmm May 24 11:40:03 any idea what would cause image dates to be incorrect? OE seems to only be updating the date it uses in the filename in certain conditions May 24 11:44:28 you mean in the image filename? May 24 11:47:06 right May 24 11:49:57 * koen suspects the CVSDATE="bla" in the DISTRO.conf, or a stale cache May 24 12:07:48 morning May 24 12:08:04 hey May 24 12:08:05 'morning treke- May 24 12:09:23 Ken|JLimeX: re: blackbox: I changed the SRC_URI to ${SOURCEFORE_MIRROR}/blackboxwm/bl... and xfonts to xfonts-xorg May 24 12:12:41 Oki thx. May 24 12:14:35 hi treke May 24 12:15:19 hey May 24 12:17:12 03pb 07 * r1.3381 10openembedded/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: support multiple subpackages with different update-rc.d requirements May 24 12:19:03 pb_: resurrected your build machine again? May 24 12:19:14 no, sadly May 24 12:19:42 haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but I guess it needs a new motherboard or something. May 24 12:19:49 ouch May 24 12:20:19 well, could be worse. the motherboard isn't exactly an expensive part. May 24 12:20:36 it's a bit tedious to swap out, though, which is why I haven't done anything with it yet. May 24 12:20:53 especially with sharp-edged cases May 24 12:21:31 03pb 07 * r1.3382 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: ship busybox httpd bits in a separate package; include update-rc.d call and /srv/www directory May 24 12:34:58 <[g2]> I've already built a custom Knoppix distro that builds OpenSlug and Unslung from the OE metadata with BitBake May 24 12:35:48 <[g2]> I'm getting ready to build and release a DVD edition that has a snapshot of the OE metadata and all the tarballs (less the Intel IAL) on it May 24 12:35:56 cute May 24 12:36:05 <[g2]> This would actually work for any OE built stuff May 24 12:36:16 [g2]: with a recent bitbake? May 24 12:36:36 <[g2]> koen, like yesterday's May 24 12:36:45 of course, for maximum points your live cd should be OE itself, not Knoppix May 24 12:37:06 <[g2]> pb_, I'll get to that, but one step at a time :) May 24 12:37:12 heh May 24 12:37:12 [g2]: that will do quite good May 24 12:37:40 <[g2]> my purpose it to enable on the OpenSlug/Unslung users that don't run Linux May 24 12:37:53 <[g2]> and also a general embedded linux thing May 24 12:39:14 <[g2]> My question to the OE community is do you want this billed as an OE Knoppix or just an NSLU2-linux Knoppix that just uses OE May 24 12:39:39 if it's geared for nslu2 you should probably label it that May 24 12:39:57 or else people are going to wonder why everything else may not build well :) May 24 12:40:24 <[g2]> treke, everything else will builds as well as the state of the repo May 24 12:40:33 <[g2]> I just haven't done a bb world May 24 12:40:39 <[g2]> and pulled all the tarballs May 24 12:41:43 <[g2]> I have enough problems QA'ing OpenSlug... I'm not ready to attempt the whole OE repo yet :) May 24 12:41:50 yeah May 24 12:41:58 that's why I'd recommend branding it for openslug May 24 12:42:01 I think it's probably best to advertise it as just a slug thing. May 24 12:42:28 <[g2]> Actually it'll be slug / IXP4XX thing May 24 12:42:42 right, yeah, that's fine. May 24 12:42:42 <[g2]> I've got other OEM platforms that'll be added soon May 24 12:43:45 I think you should avoid labelling it as a generic OE thing, though: if people try to build some random target that hasn't been QAd with those bits, the chances that they will generate a working image are not that great. May 24 12:44:45 but we would be interest in the process of creating sucj a thing May 24 12:45:34 Creating similar live CDs for Familiar and OE development would be a great idea, but they probably need to be synced up with the release schedules of those projects so that the bits on the CD are the same ones that actually ship in the distro. May 24 12:45:48 or, at least, known to be compatible with the distro and the set of target machines May 24 12:46:11 er, "Familiar and OZ development", I meant May 24 12:47:16 *chuckle* May 24 12:47:21 improving the meta-sdk would be nice too May 24 12:48:27 yeah. I think that's more or less an orthogonal problem, though. May 24 12:49:36 hey zecke May 24 12:49:48 hey May 24 12:50:03 * zecke starts writing the Solaris 10 cds May 24 12:50:40 zecke: http://boeventronie.net/en/docs/sun/netinstall/ May 24 12:50:48 gawd we have many lous May 24 12:50:50 I did a similar thing with irix May 24 12:50:51 ups May 24 12:50:56 cut'n'paste error May 24 12:50:57 evening May 24 12:51:10 hey mickeyl May 24 12:52:21 koen: thanks but I'll go the route I expect to work more easily :} May 24 12:52:42 koen: for FreeBSD I started the netiso via tftpd, also for debian.. May 24 12:53:04 I hit the 8 loopdevice limit :( May 24 12:53:11 hehe May 24 12:53:50 irix 'only' has 12 cds May 24 12:54:54 ~lart irix 6.5.19 May 24 12:54:54 * ibot beats irix 6.5.19 to within 2.54cm of his life May 24 12:56:16 could it be that _append_akita doesn't work with bb svn 211 ? May 24 12:57:00 what makes you think so? May 24 12:57:45 echo MACHINE=akita > conf/auto.conf ; bitbake virtual/kernel, that build the jlime kernel May 24 12:58:01 what does bitbake -nv say virtual/kernel say ? May 24 12:58:08 what does bbread|grep virtual/kernel say ? May 24 12:58:38 mickeyl: your remark about PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel_spitz = "foo" not working does make me a bit suspicious that something is wrong with the overrides. May 24 12:58:52 afaik, that syntax ought to be ok May 24 12:59:37 pb_: hmm, zecke thought otherwise May 24 12:59:39 zecke ? May 24 13:01:45 ah, maybe he's right. I guess that the overrides might not have been run at the time those variables get inspected. May 24 13:02:00 I don't remember anymore where update_data actually gets invoked. May 24 13:10:54 * koen waits for bitbake -nv to finish May 24 13:12:15 Hmm, wondering, is it at all possible to use CF cardreaders for devices other than memory cards? May 24 13:12:16 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3378.1.1 10openembedded/ (4 files in 2 dirs): remove opie-tabmanager which has gone to unsupported upstream May 24 13:13:04 mickey|bbl: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/bitbake-nv-virtual-kernel May 24 13:13:26 bye pb_ May 24 13:13:44 * zecke should have not eaten nachos May 24 13:14:25 * koen looks at the empty bag on the table May 24 13:15:11 mickey|bbl: will you do that has_key change all over the place? May 24 13:15:16 mickey|bbl: and is it really faster? May 24 13:15:58 prefervar = bb.data.getVar('PREFERRED_PROVIDER_%s' % item, make.cfg, 1) May 24 13:17:57 re May 24 13:21:11 koen: you dodn't have any troubles at al with the BT0101M did you? May 24 13:21:31 it worked with my gps May 24 13:21:38 and it discovered my phone May 24 13:21:42 that's all I tested May 24 13:22:49 koen: could you check (if convenient) wether your machine autoloads the 82XX module before any bt action takes place? May 24 13:23:18 serial cs autoloads the 8251 modules, yes May 24 13:24:07 koen: what happens here: upon insertion of btcard, all modules get loaded, including the 8251 one, which promptly detects the 'real' serial connection (ttyS0) and passes that one on to the cardmgr May 24 13:24:33 yep May 24 13:24:54 that's why I have a /etc/sysconfig/bluetooth and the gpe-applet to start hciattach May 24 13:25:11 it's a bit of cheating,b ut it works May 24 13:25:19 I just copied over the bits from my ipaq May 24 13:36:42 koen: bummer. is zaurus-clamshell-2.4 getting parsed ? May 24 13:36:56 yes May 24 13:38:01 hmm May 24 13:38:17 PREFERRED_PROVIDERS="virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross virtual/libqpe:libqpe-opie virtual/xserver:xserver-kdrive virtual/kernel:openzaurus-pxa27x" May 24 13:38:22 that's from bbread May 24 13:39:01 openzaurus-pxa27x is known? May 24 13:39:05 yes May 24 13:39:11 zecke: could there be a replace script doing that ? May 24 13:39:27 mickeyl: what replace script? :} May 24 13:39:31 I set that as default in akita.conf below the clamshell-2.4.conf include and it worked May 24 13:39:45 zecke: yes, it's faster. it has a shorter bytecode length (20 as opposed to 23) May 24 13:39:55 zecke: talking about has_key vs. in May 24 13:40:22 mickeyl: but if I di a in b: it needs to know if b can find out if it contains a May 24 13:40:41 mickeyl: this means the type of b must be checked? instead of looking up has_key in the methods table May 24 13:40:57 anyway I trust you May 24 13:41:03 zecke: thanks :) May 24 13:41:04 besides May 24 13:41:13 the benefit if it being so much more readable does count as well May 24 13:41:24 mickeyl: yupp May 24 13:41:28 ok. qpf-dejavu will be pushed today May 24 13:41:33 nice May 24 13:41:49 mickeyl: koen : I will look into it after I finish my lab report May 24 13:42:13 zecke: no rush, I know how to work around it May 24 13:42:30 (and won't need it till someone ships me an akita ;)) May 24 13:42:49 koen: document your error please (keep a backup of your conf data) May 24 13:43:50 3 lines long recipes;) May 24 13:44:33 hrw: cool. fewer lines to maintain May 24 13:44:42 mickeyl: all in one qpf-dejavu.inc May 24 13:45:03 only DESCRIPTION and include left (and empty line between) May 24 13:47:39 14,841,992 bytes in 60 files - only qpf-dejavu*.ipk May 24 13:51:01 hehe May 24 13:52:13 ok. pushed May 24 13:54:19 42,340,628 bytes in 720 files after unpack May 24 14:03:37 ~lart trolltech for creating QPF format May 24 14:03:37 * ibot makes a balloon animal out of trolltech for creating QPF format May 24 14:03:47 I have to regenerate all dejavu fonts May 24 14:04:17 regular is bold italic, bold is bold, italic is italic May 24 14:04:46 wpf? May 24 14:04:48 qpf* May 24 14:05:01 Qtopia Pregenerated Font May 24 14:05:06 o May 24 14:05:22 cretinism^format from tt May 24 14:05:30 * luke-jr__ wonders if it's possible to run Opie w/ Qt/X11 May 24 14:06:35 run? no May 24 14:06:39 build? maybe May 24 14:07:04 why not run? May 24 14:07:13 I'd think if it builds, it would likely run... o.O May 24 14:07:32 question is - does it build qith qt/x11 May 24 14:07:37 and which qt/x11... May 24 14:08:38 well, I'd try w/ the same Qt/X11 ver as the Qtopia it's designed for May 24 14:09:31 2.3.which? May 24 14:10:33 'which' would be bugfixes, I think May 24 14:10:36 so the largest # May 24 14:12:40 2last 2.3 for x11 was 2.3.2 from November 2001... May 24 14:13:11 that one, then May 24 14:14:39 old.. May 24 14:14:46 qt 2.3 is old May 24 14:21:27 luke-jr__: make menuconfig May 24 14:21:33 luke-jr__: Configuration Libqpe-X11 May 24 14:21:35 luke-jr__: make May 24 14:22:56 * zecke didn't know his desktop could do louder... May 24 14:24:56 ok. restarted makeqpf - this time on Z May 24 14:24:59 hi Dirk May 24 14:25:04 * zecke thinks the Solaris10 installer is ran on top of a jvm, on top of a sparc softare emulation layer... May 24 14:25:31 zecke: you forgot the sun3 layer May 24 14:25:53 zecke: remember my update-qtttffontdir.c? it have a small bug May 24 14:26:43 chouimat|busy: probably May 24 14:26:50 hrw: yupp May 24 14:26:57 hmm.. makeqpf works mch faster on husky then was on collie May 24 14:27:12 zecke: line 47: s/||/| May 24 14:27:20 iirc May 24 14:28:03 hi hrw May 24 14:28:14 do13: how tosa/2.6 is going? May 24 14:29:03 some parts are missing May 24 14:29:27 please hurry up, i can't stand 2.4.18-embedix any longer ;)) May 24 14:29:49 (just kidding, take your time) May 24 14:30:01 mickeyl: help him if you need 2.6 :) May 24 14:30:09 yeah, i knew that would be the answer May 24 14:30:12 mickey has enough to do :p May 24 14:30:17 * mickeyl bows to treke May 24 14:30:37 I hope Solaris10 doesn't wipe the disk... May 24 14:30:41 * treke cracks the opie pim whip\ May 24 14:30:58 mickeyl: blocking points are charging and touchscreen. May 24 14:31:12 zecke: it only run mkswap on all linux partitions May 24 14:31:24 do13: charging is done via a different interface than on the clamshells ? May 24 14:32:20 yes. It's different. Battery voltage is read via AC97 codec. May 24 14:32:28 ah right, that wolfson thingy May 24 14:33:30 Basic AC97 stuff is running. I can hear music with the alsa driver :) May 24 14:33:43 woot. screw touchscreen, we want music :D May 24 14:33:50 no seriously, that's cool May 24 14:34:04 the tosa has very good audio hardware May 24 14:34:35 ibot: pester RP to take a look at alsa on c7x0 May 24 14:34:36 RP to take a look at alsa on c7x0: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf May 24 14:35:06 ok it wiped something... May 24 14:35:48 fonts generated May 24 14:36:03 let's see if Solaris10 has python >= 1.4 available May 24 14:36:09 ibot: nice flash movie May 24 14:36:12 * ibot lowers flash movie's priority May 24 14:37:07 hehehe May 24 14:37:11 ~curse tt again May 24 14:37:13 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tt again ! May 24 14:38:06 * luke-jr__ wishes he had the capability to help out w/ kernel porting stuff May 24 14:38:32 That sounds like something Klinger from M*A*S*H would say May 24 14:41:10 CosmicPenguin: did I pestered you to update gftp to 2.0.18 final? May 24 14:44:27 hrw: no, but I'll do it May 24 14:44:34 thx May 24 14:44:47 current OE version is not fetchable May 24 14:46:11 'night all May 24 14:46:30 g'night May 24 14:46:31 that was quick May 24 14:46:35 it might be a while - my gtk workspace is in the process of being rebuilt May 24 14:49:16 * CosmicPenguin adds a bug so he doesn't forget **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 24 14:51:25 2005 May 24 14:51:49 *yawn* May 24 14:51:50 I've a big fat ugly CDE background image in front of me and Solaris10 decided to die May 24 14:52:15 ljp: you got venture capital? A big switch of how TT operates May 24 14:52:46 and got rid of the canopy crap May 24 14:53:04 ljp: I remember TT to finance itself... May 24 14:53:06 ljp: qt/e4 still use qpf fonts? May 24 14:53:28 zecke: not all the way - Canopy was a TT supporter for a whie May 24 14:53:34 hrw: not sure. will find out, I think qpf are depreciated May 24 14:53:44 ljp: finally... May 24 14:53:58 ljp: so is Qt/E? May 24 14:54:14 not yet May 24 14:54:27 ljp: how is the qtopia4 team coping with the slowness and instability the developers report with qt4 ? May 24 14:54:52 lots of screaming and hair pulling the last few months May 24 14:55:00 i can understand that. May 24 14:55:10 *get fucking focus* May 24 14:55:17 ~seen kergoth May 24 14:55:20 kergoth <~kergoth@covenant.kergoth.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 1h 20m 14s ago, saying: 'i'm going to go be productive. i'll come back in 20 minutes, when perhaps you'll have answered the question'. May 24 14:55:30 quite some 20 minutes May 24 14:55:30 heh May 24 14:55:30 i think arthur is whats slow May 24 14:55:47 ljp: generally? May 24 14:56:09 ljp: now with renewed capital can you hire more Qtopia devels? May 24 14:56:13 ljp: they totally broke the QPainter abstraction. even when you just want to draw a fscking line it goes through layers and layers, transformations, and stuff. that's really not good May 24 14:56:21 zecke: we have been May 24 14:56:29 our office is stuffed May 24 14:56:34 ljp: good ones? or only aussie based? May 24 14:56:41 aussie May 24 14:57:03 ljp: you should have an office in the European Union May 24 14:57:17 get norway to join May 24 14:57:20 :) May 24 14:57:22 and we will May 24 14:57:40 * zecke needs to get a perspective for 'after studying' May 24 14:57:57 we do hire 'field services' May 24 14:58:18 I can be a BOFH if that is the same... May 24 14:59:01 ljp: You guys should pay me for developing Qt backends for various 'core applications and technologies' May 24 14:59:25 zecke: or me for doing linux subsystem abstractions May 24 14:59:37 ljp: will you continue to work with MVista? May 24 15:00:04 mvista is what our customers use, we dont work with them, really May 24 15:00:06 mickeyl: yeah they should hire people actually knowing Handheld/Embedded devices May 24 15:00:31 ljp: will Warwick et all be at the KDE conference? May 24 15:00:47 havent heard that he is May 24 15:00:48 ljp: I consider coming to just bitch Matthias May 24 15:00:57 do it May 24 15:00:59 :) May 24 15:01:31 ljp: Regarding Qt4, I like the overall design May 24 15:01:55 ljp: and agree that a bigger change was done for good... but you should release 4.0.1 or 4.1.0 as 4.0.0 May 24 15:02:06 probably, ya May 24 15:02:50 ljp: tell them to go release qt for windows now! May 24 15:03:12 treke: did you get the book yet? May 24 15:03:36 nah May 24 15:03:39 none in the stores here May 24 15:03:42 need to order it May 24 15:04:00 once I get windows up and running I'm going to try building http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/qt3-win32/ May 24 15:04:04 maybe it works well enough May 24 15:04:35 it works damn well May 24 15:04:50 surprisingly well May 24 15:04:52 shocking well May 24 15:05:02 mickeyl: oh? You've used it? May 24 15:05:08 i now understand the driving force behind the decision to open qt4 on win May 24 15:05:31 treke: yes. i have a PyQt installer somewhere that uses this version for PyQt 3.x / Qt3.x on Win May 24 15:05:35 cool May 24 15:07:10 * mickeyl goes sleeping to make sure he doesn't sleep when the postman brings his shiny new 12 string guitar May 24 15:07:14 g'night May 24 15:07:24 night May 24 15:07:31 'night mickey|zzZZzz May 24 15:08:21 heh... makeqpf render only some fonts ;( May 24 15:35:43 cu May 24 15:44:17 'night all May 24 16:13:31 wow Solaris features state of the art Qt3.1.1 May 24 16:16:39 it is even more stable then debian woody :} May 24 16:20:07 lol May 24 16:40:05 ~lart solaris May 24 16:40:05 * ibot installs PocketPC on solaris's PDA May 24 16:41:23 CoreDump|home: yeah, somehow it forgot the password I set... May 24 16:41:33 CoreDump|home: and it always wants to boot from disk0 May 24 16:41:39 :) May 24 16:42:23 and the xdm does not allow to reboot... May 24 16:45:42 umm May 24 16:45:50 telinit 6 or something like that May 24 16:46:19 CoreDump|home: but not without a login :} May 24 16:46:24 ah May 24 16:46:25 heh May 24 16:46:29 tough luck :) May 24 16:47:14 * zecke boots FreeBSD to repair Solaris May 24 16:48:07 ~lart Ken|JLimeX May 24 16:48:07 * ibot DoSes Ken|JLimeX May 24 16:48:10 * CosmicPenguin goes home May 24 16:48:16 :) May 24 17:43:12 good nite May 24 17:45:35 Has anyone been able to pulkl from bkbits recently? May 24 17:46:00 I mean pull... Gezz my typing sucks today 8-) May 24 17:52:27 I did a bkbits pull about 2 minutes ago May 24 18:04:10 jbowler: Hmm Must be our internal network then. Thanks May 24 18:07:18 I pulled nslu2-linux.bkbits.net, sometimes the individual archive is locked. May 24 18:11:45 jbowler: Ah I am trying to refresh my oe tree, I would have expected an error other than Connection time out though eh! 8-( May 24 18:12:47 Yes, I believe that has to be a network problem (probably local, since it works for me from the same server). May 24 18:35:13 jbowler: cool thanks May 24 20:24:43 kergoth. May 24 20:25:14 has he made it to MN already? May 24 20:26:36 dont think he's left yet May 24 21:12:30 treke|home: i'm in mn May 24 21:12:34 drained May 24 21:12:44 long fucking drive, and only got 3 hours of sleep along the way, at a rest stop May 24 21:26:31 kergoth: hi May 24 21:30:10 oh?aaaaa May 24 21:30:11 cool May 24 23:11:42 anyone know why I get undefined reference to `XOpenIM'? it's been mentioned before associated with familiar... May 24 23:12:21 maybe I messed something up when I hacked my x includes into oz, is there an ipkg of the X11 dev headers? May 24 23:19:52 hello? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 24 23:59:57 2005