**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 24 23:59:57 2005 May 25 00:30:37 hi people May 25 00:31:06 hi May 25 00:31:22 anyone else having problems with bitbake? mine fails with an error on building gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050331 May 25 00:36:07 heh May 25 00:36:28 I've actually never get it to compile a complete distribution once May 25 00:37:26 I'm just trying to let it compile something... actually nothing works May 25 00:48:23 I thought openembedded would be great, but it seems there is no such thing as 'it just works' May 25 00:49:14 Arjan: you NEED to use CVSDATE=20050516 or never for gnu-config(-native) May 25 00:49:42 Arjan: OE works but not for such old CVSDATE as you have May 25 00:50:11 its simple - we update patches to get them apply to ~current versions May 25 00:50:16 CVSDATE isn't even defined over here... May 25 00:50:32 really? gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050331 looks like 20050331 May 25 00:50:41 you use distro which define CVSDATE May 25 00:50:51 so 1. use older OE May 25 00:51:02 2. bump CVSDATE in distro conf May 25 00:51:12 morning May 25 00:51:12 3. bump CVSDATE for gnu-config(-native) May 25 00:51:14 hi XorA May 25 00:51:23 I set DISTRO to familiar-0.8.2 May 25 00:51:59 Arjan: you want packages for 0.8.2? or want newer familiar to build? May 25 00:52:06 Arjan: use familiar-0.9.0 as distro May 25 00:52:58 hrw|work: I already tried setting 0.9.0, but that didn't work either May 25 00:53:17 I just want to build a simple up-to-date initrd/rootfs to test with May 25 00:53:42 it only has to contain sshd, ts tests and bluez-utils May 25 00:53:48 Arjan: so use familiar-0.9.0 - that is what familiar release manager use May 25 00:54:05 so use "familiar" without version and set CVSDATE May 25 00:54:40 CVSDATE is automatically set to the current date by bitbake.conf, so that shouldn't be the problem May 25 00:56:50 you want to rebuild date dependent things each day? May 25 00:57:22 2.6.12-rc5 released May 25 00:57:36 ow, haven't thought about that. but for me it doesn't really matter since I haven't been able to build anything yet May 25 00:59:24 morning all May 25 01:00:32 hrw|work: how do you add CVSDATE to an svn SRC_URI? May 25 01:00:55 hrw|work: I'm doing another 'bitbake bootstrap-image', I'll let you know what goes wrong May 25 01:01:49 XorA: heh... svn is revisions based not dates.. May 25 01:01:52 hi RP May 25 01:02:45 hrw|work: crappin broken source control systems May 25 01:17:23 good morning all May 25 01:19:01 hi koen May 25 01:19:41 hey hrw|work May 25 01:26:24 morning koen May 25 01:27:46 hey RP May 25 01:34:29 question: are all those 'native' packages OE installs for the local build environment? May 25 01:36:47 Arjan: yes, and for packages that want to run stuff they just compiled May 25 01:36:56 which of course breaks with crosscompiling May 25 01:37:25 morning May 25 01:37:31 morning mickeyl May 25 01:39:09 hi mickeyl May 25 01:40:31 someone has 2.6.12-rc4-mm2 and opie on c7x0? May 25 01:40:39 yes, at hoem May 25 01:40:42 at home, even May 25 01:41:04 if that is the most recent.. I've got it here (booting now) May 25 01:41:18 Hertog: got anywhere with that ttyS0 mispickup? May 25 01:41:24 I have to check what is fscked on my husky - probably fonts which I tried yesterday May 25 01:41:45 grmbl.. still no luck :( May 25 01:41:49 NOTE: package flex-native-2.5.31-r2: task do_fetch: failed May 25 01:42:03 mickeyl: still trying, ever tried tracing cardmon.c on paper? :) May 25 01:42:06 change the SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR in bitbake.conf May 25 01:42:20 change aleron to heanet May 25 01:42:22 koen: thanks, I'll try May 25 01:42:25 koen: maybe we should switch default one... May 25 01:42:26 Hertog: I had to read a bit of it lately, but it's pretty nasty :) May 25 01:42:43 mickeyl: (and no, I am not that much of a C-hack...) May 25 01:45:37 works.. OPIEDIR/lib/fonts/ was symlink to nowhere May 25 01:46:03 mickeyl: I got to a point where it started throwing around ioctl's, then I figured it was time to read the docs ;) but still trying May 25 01:46:22 Hertog: ok, good luck :) May 25 01:46:31 hi all May 25 01:49:45 hey robert__ May 25 01:49:52 is there anyone have a glibc_2.2.3.bb May 25 01:50:16 hi koen May 25 01:53:04 no, we don't use such old glibc's in OE May 25 01:53:41 2.2.5 is oldest one May 25 01:54:09 and that one is corrupt May 25 01:54:10 anyway I prefer birthday release (which is default) May 25 01:54:20 birthday release ? May 25 01:54:35 koen: thanks, OE now continues. I had to set the SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR in local.conf May 25 01:54:35 mickey1: yes , but i need it :( May 25 01:54:43 robert: why ? May 25 01:54:45 mickeyl: 0726 is my birthday May 25 01:54:49 hrw|work: ah :) May 25 01:55:28 ;) May 25 01:55:54 mickey1: the rootfs of my board need it May 25 01:56:08 robert__: bummer. you really should upgrade. anyway in that case you're probably better off just using the glibc provided by your toolchain and use ASSUME_PROVIDED to convince OE to use this one. May 25 02:00:53 for a start, take a look at the things I ASSUME_PROVIDE in distro/sharprom-compatible May 25 02:00:58 OT: gcc 3.4.4 is out May 25 02:03:51 morning all May 25 02:04:55 any news on the eabi linker/unwinder problem? May 25 02:05:15 i'm afraid i'm not into toolchain issues to answer that. see May 25 02:05:20 http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html#3.4.4 May 25 02:05:56 Ah, drat... time to demolish the wrt54g: http://kiel.kool.dk:27/ May 25 02:07:35 interesting! May 25 02:07:54 morning May 25 02:08:00 morgen May 25 02:08:11 my wrt54gs sits unsused around here May 25 02:08:14 shame on me :) May 25 02:08:50 moin mickeyl May 25 02:09:16 mickeyl: hmm, I shouldn't have pointed this out then... I can see your OZ productivity drop already ;) May 25 02:09:17 * XorA steals mickeyl's when he isnt looking May 25 02:09:30 hey reenoo_ May 25 02:09:38 yo koen May 25 02:10:02 Hertog: I vote for 10 more gpios and a proper cf interface May 25 02:10:30 Hertog: heh.. it needs rev 2.0 or wrt54gs. does OpenWRT finally support it? May 25 02:10:37 so you can plugin cf-usbhost or bt :) May 25 02:10:45 koen: yeah, 200K/s doesn't cut it does it... May 25 02:12:41 hrw|work: from the supported devices list: May 25 02:12:42 Linksys WRT54G (version 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0) May 25 02:12:42 Linksys WRT54GS (version 1.0) May 25 02:13:19 hrw|work: GS 1.1 is explicitly named as not working May 25 02:13:51 (ahrg, correction: in the experimental version it is supported) May 25 02:13:52 Hertog: I will buy wrt54gs in next weeks May 25 02:14:06 hrw|work: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware May 25 02:17:28 Hertog: ok. so any wrt54gs should work May 25 02:18:13 hrw|work: seems so, unless you have a problem running 'experimental' s/w.. euh, wait a sec... you do OZ dev, don't you? never mind :) May 25 02:18:52 ;)) May 25 02:19:24 "if you develop for OZ then you can make everything work"? May 25 02:19:36 hrw|work: so you going to port bittorrent to wrt54g and get movies on SD card? May 25 02:19:56 s/movies/pr0n/ May 25 02:20:55 XorA: no - will go way which some mad Z users go.. run full debian May 25 02:21:41 or even better, full native gentoo;) May 25 02:21:57 Hertog: I'm Debian user May 25 02:21:58 without distcc ;) May 25 02:22:05 but with ccache May 25 02:23:06 Heh, how to explain to GF, "network will be offline for 2 weeks, am doing kernel rebuild" May 25 02:28:42 good morning May 25 02:28:47 ~lart libipkg May 25 02:28:47 * ibot gives libipkg a good seeing to May 25 02:29:42 ok. regenerated dejavufonts. time to move them to website May 25 02:32:13 morning Twiun May 25 02:32:23 hi pb May 25 02:35:10 hi hrw|work May 25 02:36:36 tonight AC Milan vs Liverpool May 25 02:36:52 hi hrw|work May 25 02:51:06 03pb 07 * r1.3385 10openembedded/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: set default update-rc.d parameters to "defaults" May 25 02:52:51 03hrw 07 * r1.3384.1.1 10openembedded/packages/qpf-fonts/qpf-dejavu.inc: regenerated dejavu fonts May 25 02:55:52 okay, once I got the configuration right, OE is running as smooth as I hoped May 25 02:57:44 I have a rootfs.jffs2 image now... can I use that as initrd? May 25 03:01:59 depends on your target machine May 25 03:04:23 mickeyl: it's a h1940 May 25 03:04:30 sounds like an ipaq May 25 03:04:48 you need an ext2.gz image May 25 03:05:01 no bootldr on that model? May 25 03:05:05 nope May 25 03:05:28 it's one of those fancy s3c2410 machines May 25 03:06:13 how to get "1" from "hda1" in busybox? May 25 03:06:54 echo hda1 | sed "s/hda//" May 25 03:06:55 heh May 25 03:07:13 * mickeyl grins May 25 03:07:27 thx May 25 03:08:10 Hmm, is that right? Since two days (or so) bk pull tells me there is nothing to pull from openembedded May 25 03:08:23 pb_: you ever tried Qt3/X11 on one of your PDAs ? May 25 03:08:30 Hertog: sounds wrong May 25 03:08:35 Hertog: let me check if they're synchronized May 25 03:08:38 mickeyl: actually no, I haven't. I should give it a go. May 25 03:09:03 I think the oe-devel -> oe sync runs on Chris's PC. If he's en route to Minnesota, I guess that process will not be happening. May 25 03:09:53 hi all May 25 03:09:56 pb_: sounds plausible May 25 03:09:58 pb_: the glassbowl says some of the Opie core teams are seriously considering X11. Although we won't look at it before Qt4 is ready for prime time, I'd appreciate some experiences with the 3 version May 25 03:10:44 Hertog: pull again in 2 mins. i have synced May 25 03:10:53 mickeyl: tnx May 25 03:11:05 03hrw 07 * r1.3384 10openembedded/packages/qpf-fonts/ (6 files): May 25 03:11:05 unified qpf-dejavu build May 25 03:11:05 updated DejaVu font to 1.10 May 25 03:11:09 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3378.1.1 10openembedded/ (4 files in 2 dirs): remove opie-tabmanager which has gone to unsupported upstream May 25 03:11:13 03pb 07 * r1.3382 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: ship busybox httpd bits in a separate package; include update-rc.d call and /srv/www directory May 25 03:11:15 mickeyl: that's exciting news. I'll certainly try it out and let you know what happens. May 25 03:11:15 hey bluelightning May 25 03:11:17 03pb 07 * r1.3381 10openembedded/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: support multiple subpackages with different update-rc.d requirements May 25 03:11:21 hi koen May 25 03:11:22 03pb 07 * r1.3380 10openembedded/ (3 files in 3 dirs): improve howl packaging May 25 03:11:26 03koen 07 * r1.3379 10openembedded/packages/gpe-fsi/gpe-fsi_0.1.bb: Add gpe-fsi, a gui fronted for the fingerprintscanner found in the iPAQ h5xxx series May 25 03:11:30 03koen 07 * r1.3376.1.1 10openembedded/packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gconf->gconf-dbus May 25 03:11:31 argh bummer, i forgot to disable the reports :/ May 25 03:11:32 sorry May 25 03:11:34 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3377 10openembedded/packages/python/ (python_2.4.1.bb python-2.4.1-manifest.inc): May 25 03:11:34 Compile the Python core as a shared library - this way external programs can embed it. May 25 03:11:34 Add python-tests, python-libold, python-tkinter, python-bsddb, and python-devel packages May 25 03:11:38 03RP 07 * r1.3376 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): orinoco-modules: PCI patch no longer needed. Someone should have wondered why it was including pci in the first place... May 25 03:11:43 03RP 07 * r1.3375 10openembedded/packages/orinoco/ (orinoco-modules_0.15rc1.bb orinoco-modules_0.15rc2.bb): Merge May 25 03:11:47 03RP 07 * r1.3369.1.8 10openembedded/ (6 files in 4 dirs): orinoco-modules: 0.15rc1 works with arm + 2.6 kernels - make default. Remove 0.13e-2.6 as unneeded now. Add makefile fixes. May 25 03:11:51 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3374 10openembedded/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf: zaurus-clamshell-2.4: fix _append'ism problem with spaces May 25 03:11:56 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3372 10openembedded/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf: zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf: use old syntax for adding stuff to PREFERRED_PROVIDERS. PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel_ doesn't seem to work May 25 03:12:00 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3371 10openembedded/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add note for orinoco 0.15rc1, disable pci modules for now on 0.15rc2 (breaking w/ 2.6.12) May 25 03:12:02 pb_: thanks. May 25 03:12:04 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3370 10openembedded/packages/opie-pcmciaapplet/opie-pcmciaapplet.inc: fix opie-pcmciaapplet APPNAME May 25 03:12:10 mucho progress :) May 25 03:12:23 phew :) May 25 03:12:56 flooder ;) May 25 03:13:02 heh May 25 03:14:24 pb_: qtE was fine while it lasted, however on everything but the barebonest systems I think we can live with the overhead X introduces - the benefits of concurrently running Opie apps, GPE apps, X apps outweigh those May 25 03:14:33 03philb * r212 10bitbake/lib/bb/parse/BBHandler.py: tolerate ${...} in function names May 25 03:14:34 s/those// May 25 03:15:06 mickeyl: right. May 25 03:15:13 mickeyl: is the plan to still use qt for widgets? May 25 03:15:53 bluelightning: yes. The Opie people are still very committed to Qt as a toolkit, many of us just no longer like the E version. May 25 03:16:08 mickeyl: good to hear :) May 25 03:16:37 Qt/E 2.3 sucks for non-latin1 users anyway (sorting not exist) May 25 03:16:39 i know some people won't like to hear that May 25 03:17:20 mickeyl: on 2.6.12-rc+ kernels pcmcia-cs wont be used? May 25 03:17:38 hrw|work: s/pcmcia-cs/cardmgr/ May 25 03:17:51 the pcmcia subsystem is going in-kernel May 25 03:18:02 mickeyl: ok. does /etc/pcmcia/ will be used? May 25 03:18:41 hrw|work: i'm unsure about the new power split between kernel and userland now May 25 03:18:43 I'm trying to write cf multipartition automounter May 25 03:19:06 that sounds cool May 25 03:19:44 but need a way to check does /dev/hda13 is partition... /proc/partitions does not show any hda* (I have hda1,2,3) May 25 03:19:44 you could embed that in my new pcmciaapplet May 25 03:19:58 mickeyl: I want it to be in "base" May 25 03:20:13 k May 25 03:20:51 well, the fs layer dumps out the partitions it recognizes when you insert the card (see logread) - hence it must be possible to gather them lateron May 25 03:22:08 root@c7x0:~# cardctl eject May 25 03:22:09 Segmentation fault May 25 03:22:10 ;( May 25 03:22:26 don't use the old tools with the new kernel May 25 03:22:50 try using the pcmciautils May 25 03:22:55 ok May 25 03:23:01 anyway it worked before ;) May 25 03:23:12 i know, but i dunno for how long May 25 03:24:30 mickeyl: with this move to kernelspace of the pcmcia stuff, does that mean it's gonna be taken care of by hotplug? May 25 03:25:28 03pb 07 * r1.3387 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: package busybox udhcpd bits separately; remove stray copy of main postinst in -httpd package. May 25 03:25:39 Hertog: can't say that for sure at the moment. there's too much change going on and I'm not deep enough in the subsystem to really see the direction they're heading May 25 03:26:33 Deep down I always hated pcmcia-cs ;) now I know why those primal feelings where there ;) May 25 03:27:13 hi lardman May 25 03:27:22 ah, the most fun time of the day: lunch time May 25 03:27:34 mickeyl: have pcmciautils_003 somewhere? May 25 03:30:48 03CoreDump 07 * r1.3388 10openembedded/packages/altboot/ (altboot_cvs.bb files_collie/altboot.cfg): Add altboot: A text based 'boot manager' (/sbin/init hack) to allow booting from SD and CF, boot a recovery shell (init=/bin/sh) or boot into a GUI-less runlevel May 25 03:31:27 CoreDump|afk: (that's a welcome addition) May 25 03:31:38 CoreDump|afk: does it allow to boot from loop mounted image? May 25 03:31:49 yes, May 25 03:31:59 loop images and "real" filesystems May 25 03:32:13 however, this was only tested on collie May 25 03:32:35 oh and it supports multiple loopimages on the same card May 25 03:32:46 hi Dirk May 25 03:33:02 CoreDump|afk: so we can say "good bye" to rboot? May 25 03:33:19 I would think so May 25 03:34:20 please note that current snapshots of opie-image are b0rked. As a result your PDA will _not_ boot if altboot is installed. This is not a bug of the script. It works like a charm in an older snapshot. May 25 03:34:51 CoreDump|afk: opie-image or kernel? May 25 03:35:21 hrw|work: opie-image. I tried a known-to-be-good kernel which didn't help. May 25 03:35:30 aha May 25 03:35:36 hrw|work: you told me to add pachages to BOOTSTRAP in order to get them in the bootstrap image... how do I do that? May 25 03:35:50 Arjan: look how machine.confs are doing that May 25 03:35:55 thanks May 25 03:36:46 heh, someone on oesf did 'fdisk /dev/hda' to parition his flash May 25 03:36:47 hrw|work: in the repository May 25 03:36:49 hrw|work: or do you mean the source ? May 25 03:37:07 koen: ouch May 25 03:37:10 the following posts revolve around using fdisk instead of pointing out the obvious May 25 03:37:22 mickeyl: managed to build it May 25 03:37:46 k May 25 03:37:56 or was that a question ? May 25 03:38:19 should we add (R)DEPENDS=pcmciautils to 2.6.12-rc? May 25 03:38:35 mickeyl: I built it finally (had to use yacc by hand) May 25 03:38:36 hrw|work: not yet please. we have to decide on a general policy May 25 03:38:41 vs. 2.6/2.4 May 25 03:38:43 sure May 25 03:38:51 i think we need a newer yacc May 25 03:38:55 yacc-native even May 25 03:39:01 I wont touch kernels.. May 25 03:39:07 yacc=bison here May 25 03:39:19 but 1.875d (debian) not 2.0 (oe) May 25 03:39:25 hmm oh May 25 03:39:28 then we need an older one :) May 25 03:39:32 Configuring pcmciautils May 25 03:39:32 update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/coldplug: file does not exist May 25 03:40:00 hmm coldplug May 25 03:40:15 guess we need to ship that in the package May 25 03:40:18 i didn't test it yet May 25 03:42:50 aah i got it May 25 03:42:52 * mickey|lunch fixes bison May 25 03:42:57 heh.. my cf_automount script is useless on 2.6.12-rc then May 25 03:43:44 CoreDump|home: do you have multipartitioned cf card? May 25 03:44:08 hrw|work: not currently, why? May 25 03:44:44 hi hrw|work, all May 25 03:44:51 hi lardman|work May 25 03:45:00 CoreDump|home: anyway - does /proc/partitions show any partitions on cf card? May 25 03:45:09 * CoreDump|home checks May 25 03:45:18 03pb 07 * r1.3387.1.1 10openembedded/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.00.bb files/busybox-httpd): don't require /etc/httpd.conf to start busybox httpd, it works fine without that file May 25 03:46:08 yeah ;) now I got hda1-3 in /proc/partitions ;) May 25 03:46:13 hrw|work: yes, it has a single partition (hda1). /proc/partition shows hda and hda1 May 25 03:46:34 CoreDump|home: thx May 25 03:46:37 np May 25 03:48:40 ok. 3 partitions appear in /dev/ (thx to udev) - now find a method to mount them May 25 03:48:44 dunno what you are working on, but if you are interested, I have written a multi-partition automounter enhancement for CF cards May 25 03:49:06 CoreDump|home: thats great - where I can find it? May 25 03:49:18 03pb 07 * r1.3390 10openembedded/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.00.bb busybox-1.00/defconfig): turn on support for "readlink -f", needed by usbutils May 25 03:49:23 CoreDump|home: my script is lame at current phase May 25 03:50:48 hrw|work: http://hentges.net/tmp/ide_automount May 25 03:51:08 I haven't looked into it for ages but it appears to work well May 25 03:52:24 just drop it into /etc/pcmcia, should be used automatically May 25 03:53:00 CoreDump|home: with pcmciautils it wont be called automagically May 25 03:53:38 it should :) I've hacked the utils in OEto do just that heh May 25 03:53:49 my current version does not check anything and go with normal mount May 25 03:53:56 CoreDump|home: pcmciautils != pcmcia-cs May 25 03:53:59 hi zecke May 25 03:54:00 ah May 25 03:54:08 dunno then :) May 25 03:54:39 CoreDump|home: http://pastebin.ca/12593 - my lame version May 25 03:54:39 hey May 25 03:55:03 moin zecke May 25 03:55:03 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3384.2.1 10openembedded/packages/bison/bison-native_2.0.bb: fix yacc in bison-native May 25 03:55:25 CoreDump|home: Solaris10 is different, I need to install it again today... May 25 03:55:28 hrw|work: :) May 25 03:55:51 zecke: I dunno 10 but 7 and 8 are a real PITA IMO May 25 03:56:17 CoreDump|home: I want bitbake/oe running on it May 25 03:56:25 and probably Opie as well... May 25 03:56:25 ouch :) May 25 03:56:28 hi zecke May 25 03:56:59 pb_: hey May 25 03:58:20 there is no such thing as fsck.jffs2? May 25 03:58:37 only the in-kernel one afaik May 25 03:59:02 but I'm not really in to all that mtd black magic May 25 03:59:38 each start is jffs2 errors.. May 25 04:00:04 same here May 25 04:16:32 koen: did you try Solaris10 yet? May 25 04:17:44 zecke: nope, that would require me to a) fix the cddrive or b) got through the netinstall trouble again May 25 04:19:14 koen: when booting I can do stuff like init=/bin/sh? May 25 04:20:12 the fscking installer asked me for an password but did not set it May 25 04:21:07 zecke: no idea May 25 04:21:18 * koen searches for some SCA disks May 25 04:26:47 can someone write something in utf8? umlauts, accents, euro sign.. May 25 04:27:11 blödsinn May 25 04:27:19 hrw|afk: hehe, not me ;) still haven't figured out how to do the damn eurosign ;) May 25 04:28:41 koen: thx. o with .. appeared May 25 04:29:31 hrw|work: hèh May 25 04:29:48 garçon, je voudrais une bièrre, sil vous plaît May 25 04:30:12 thx - maybe now my desktop will be a bit more utf8 friendly May 25 04:31:43 very good May 25 04:32:06 anyway connection from utf8 debian to old freebsd where I run screen can change many things May 25 04:44:44 On C7x0, can PXA serial and 'normal' serial compete for resources? cat /proc/tty/driver/[PXA ]serial gives initialized serialports for the PXA and unknowns for the 'normal' ones May 25 04:56:21 pb_: could you have a look at the patch from bero in oe bugzilla (nr 37) ? May 25 04:57:12 that patch is fine May 25 04:58:02 could you apply it (being one off the toolchain gurus) May 25 04:59:01 okay May 25 05:00:28 thanks May 25 05:00:58 a small step towards an eabi distro May 25 05:02:03 it doesn't actually help with that, since we'd need a new glibc anyway to support the EABI. May 25 05:03:37 pb_: and I guess that it will be more then bk cp glibc_2.3.3.bb glibc_2.3.5.bb thing May 25 05:04:14 dunno. probably not a whole lot more than that, in fact. May 25 05:05:11 obviously the only way to find out for sure is for someone to try it, though. :-} May 25 05:13:08 03pb 07 * r1.3390.1.1 10openembedded/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.00.bb busybox-1.00/dhcp-hostname.patch): apply patch to udhcpc to send the current hostname if no -H option is given May 25 05:17:45 * koen bitbake -b glibc_2.3.5.bb May 25 05:18:02 eabi? May 25 05:18:09 hardfloat May 25 05:19:11 * koen considers swapping desktop and server May 25 05:32:09 hrw|work: the eabi is the new cross-vendor ABI for the ARM architecture. it standardises on soft-float and VFP word order, and removes the structure packing complications, among other things. May 25 05:33:25 pb_: I remember.. forgot to add "koen: " at beggining May 25 05:36:31 heh May 25 05:51:47 mp/familiar/work/arm-linux/glibc-2.3.5-r0/build-arm-linux/misc/setfsuid.o May 25 05:51:47 | ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/ioperm.c: In function `init_iosys': May 25 05:51:47 | ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/ioperm.c:103: error: `BUS_ISA' undeclared (first use in this function) May 25 05:51:50 | ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/ioperm.c:103: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once May 25 05:51:57 ok, it doesn't work out of the box May 25 06:14:40 lo all May 25 06:14:51 * ade|desk dances the happy dance May 25 06:29:03 hey ade|desk May 25 06:29:10 ade|desk: passed your exams? May 25 06:33:37 if anyone is looking for a new project: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770 May 25 06:33:44 also see www.maemo.org May 25 06:34:15 especially people who dislike gtk/gnome ;) May 25 06:36:33 and? May 25 06:36:36 I saw that May 25 06:36:53 OE integration would be nice May 25 06:37:46 since nokia funds the competition: scratchbox May 25 06:40:08 heh - matchbox May 25 06:40:13 I wonder if mallum knows about this May 25 06:42:13 heh, I think he does May 25 06:42:33 pb_: oh, he worked on it? May 25 06:45:15 well, I don't know for sure, but I suspect so. May 25 06:45:47 he's certainly been doing a lot of work with Nokia. May 25 06:46:41 That would splain that May 25 06:46:58 They have the old website on the maemo page though May 25 06:47:32 mallum: http://maemo.org/links/links.html <- old link May 25 06:47:37 CosmicPenguin: keenly spotted May 25 06:52:22 CosmicPenguin: I just got the OK to talk about things :) May 25 06:59:33 koen|uni: yeah I know :/ May 25 07:07:07 koen|uni: no exam results aren't for another month :( May 25 07:07:41 koen|uni: am dancing cos my laptop works ~week without it .. so much for HP next day fix May 25 07:07:54 Hertog: look at pxa-serial patch in OE/linux/linux-2.6.12-rc... May 25 07:08:05 Hertog: maybe this patch isn't sufficient May 25 07:09:56 mallum: you work for the big N company, or scratchbox? May 25 07:10:02 koen|uni: the hp subcontractor engineer was so shit that HP sent finally sent me the dos util that changes the laptop identity from the basic model to the advanced bugger that it truely is ( nicer graphics chip ) May 25 07:12:52 Twiun: I have my own little co, with RP and Ross May 25 07:14:24 mallum: ahh May 25 07:14:48 Twiun: we've been working with N for quite a while on this May 25 07:15:34 * Twiun patiently waits for maemo.org... and gets conn refused May 25 07:15:38 heh May 25 07:15:53 poor bastards, they never stood a chance May 25 07:17:36 mallum, can it do USB2.0 host mode? May 25 07:19:58 Crofton: Im not sure May 25 07:20:08 Twiun: slashdotting I think May 25 07:20:31 specs say usb-device mode (for pc conectivity)sounds like it can't May 25 07:20:37 Can we replace the entire set of firmware with our own images? May 25 07:20:40 yeah May 25 07:20:46 heh May 25 07:20:48 I was hoping it cuold be hacked May 25 07:20:53 ~usrp May 25 07:20:54 [usrp] a Universal Software Radio Peripheral or http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral May 25 07:21:00 good job - now, can we trash your image and install our own? :) May 25 07:21:11 LOL May 25 07:21:12 * CosmicPenguin asks his project manager to buy a few May 25 07:21:19 I need a handheld with USB2.0 host support May 25 07:21:37 preferably omap for DSP support :) May 25 07:21:54 mallum: ahhh May 25 07:22:31 mallum: I'm curious (just got onto the site) on N's website about the 770 they say it runs Windows Internet Tablet 2005 May 25 07:24:41 grr, udev isn't creating any /dev/mtd devices for some reason. May 25 07:24:45 I guess that's a sysfs deficiency. May 25 07:28:10 pb_: mtd not mtdblock? May 25 07:30:53 hrw|work: correct May 25 07:31:09 I have all the right mtdblock devices. May 25 07:32:04 can someone pass me the major/minor numbers of their ttySX'es? May 25 07:34:27 /dev/ttyS0 is 4,64 on my system May 25 07:35:39 BigAl: 'k thanks May 25 07:41:30 pb_: Try making sure the /dev/mtd directory exists before starting udev - it sometimes seems reluctant to create directories May 25 07:42:28 I don't think it would want to put them in a directory. May 25 07:42:28 At least, it doesn't put the mtdblock ones in a directory. May 25 07:43:51 any suggestions for a busybox-friendly replacement for "grep -o ...\$"? May 25 07:43:59 I guess that's trying to get the last three characters of the line. May 25 07:45:59 mickeyl: you altered bison today, does it work for you (as it doesn't for me)? May 25 07:47:12 define "doesn't work" May 25 07:47:27 pb_: sed May 25 07:47:42 mickeyl: bison is currently a script in build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin, the script tries to call itself May 25 07:48:03 lardman|work: that's local to your system, because it was a softlink previously May 25 07:48:09 delete the softlink and rebuild it May 25 07:48:19 mickeyl: okay May 25 07:51:58 mickeyl: I'm confused now. I deleted the bison script in i686-linux/bin, then rm'd the stamps, then rebuilt bison, and the script has come back and is still trying to call itself May 25 07:52:15 mickeyl: bison-native that is May 25 07:54:32 hmm can't really follow that May 25 07:54:55 I removed the offending script (no softlinks in sight) May 25 07:55:05 read bison-native, it should be straightforward May 25 07:55:15 remove also the yacc softlink May 25 07:55:55 bkbits is taking a short dirt nap, I take it? May 25 08:11:44 cu May 25 08:12:42 has bitbake changed much in the last week? May 25 08:12:55 like does it sill output progress info? May 25 08:13:35 I must be having a bad day, it's stuck at 99% cpu usage and no progress May 25 08:15:56 remove cache, always a good start when updating bitbake May 25 08:17:44 yah, I had that too. removing the cache seemed to clear it up. May 25 08:24:44 03pb 07 * r1.3393 10openembedded/packages/linux-hotplug/ (2 files in 2 dirs): patch usb.rc to work with busybox (no "grep -o") May 25 08:39:06 ~lart bkbits May 25 08:39:06 * ibot follow's bkbits with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 25 09:05:45 2005 May 25 09:05:53 morning May 25 09:17:15 hi treke May 25 09:17:35 hey May 25 09:17:38 'morning treke May 25 09:42:08 will GPE be stopped and maemo continued? May 25 09:42:37 I think maemo be a target for gpe May 25 09:42:46 just like familiar and oz are targets May 25 09:43:09 zecke: http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ May 25 09:43:18 koen: seen it May 25 09:43:32 koen: now if you port the ramining apps you could just use hildon libs May 25 09:43:45 koen: and don't need libgpe* anymore May 25 09:43:54 it is X, matchbox, GTK+ + Lib May 25 09:44:04 pretty much GPE is to me May 25 09:44:09 + maemo looks fancy May 25 09:44:29 so I wonder if there is only an overlap or if they're disjunct May 25 09:45:33 * zecke searches for food May 25 09:45:38 zecke: I think I know what several people's opinions on this would be ;-) May 25 09:45:40 zecke: something like opie and qtopia (my guess) May 25 09:46:11 koen: Is Opie is there because TT behaves like crap May 25 09:46:17 koen: there more different than that May 25 09:46:28 koen: but Nokia paid the GPE 1.0 development/release? May 25 09:47:01 mallum: a lot of questions are popping up in my head May 25 09:47:18 mallum: what will happen if Maemo conflicts with Symbian? May 25 09:47:32 mallum: is really everything Free Software? May 25 09:47:40 * RP is seeing an interesting future :) May 25 09:48:04 I'll wait for the Python and C++ bindings and then reconsider May 25 09:48:16 zecke: I only know about certain specific parts of the system, so its difficult for me to comment on stuff May 25 09:48:35 zecke: Id never seen the device until today though I've been working on it for last 2.5 years May 25 09:49:32 mallum: hehe, Nokia seems to be big then May 25 09:50:14 mallum: It is wierd to finally see a photo of the device having known a bit about its internals :) May 25 09:51:55 zecke: I am so many NDAs deep Im really not sure what I can and cant say :/ its quite a shock to suddenly be able to talk about what you've had to be so secrative about for so long May 25 09:52:16 zecke: that said every thing ohand has done for Nokia is opensource May 25 09:52:40 zecke: and they are running stock matchbox with there own theme May 25 09:52:43 2.5 years May 25 09:53:20 osbcore, scratchbox everything starts to make sense May 25 09:54:00 I had the same feeling May 25 09:54:06 yeah May 25 09:54:20 gnome-vfs-dbus, gconf-dbus, valgrinding gtk + gnome May 25 09:54:24 Xephyr has had a Nokia copyright in the source for ages and no one really notices May 25 09:54:27 noticed May 25 09:54:30 heh May 25 09:55:15 mallum: Although that being present did have its uses ;-) May 25 09:56:15 koen: god damn paid the GPE 1.0 release... that is a real plot... May 25 09:56:38 even if that makes the founding reason for GPE void... anyway time changes May 25 09:56:51 zecke: I think GPE has a real challange ahead of itself now May 25 09:57:01 mallum: but this is not matchbox desktop what we see? May 25 09:57:20 mallum: the most impressive part is it uses GTK so the look is created with styles... May 25 09:57:29 zecke: no they only use the matchbox WM May 25 09:58:17 mallum: So I could bootstrap/compile my own maemo? May 25 09:58:23 mallum: I could add that sucker to OE? May 25 09:58:26 zecke: yeah I guess May 25 09:58:43 not that we need to add many more packages... May 25 09:58:53 If only I had more time May 25 09:59:11 ooooh, they are giving away 500 units for $99 May 25 09:59:21 if the C++ bindings are okay (not GTKmm) I say goodybe TT May 25 09:59:49 Hildon is closed source? May 25 10:00:22 koen: I think not, but I have not yet found the source... May 25 10:00:50 it's called hildon-lgpl May 25 10:00:52 hmmm May 25 10:01:15 shouldn't have had that beer after the meeting this afternoon May 25 10:09:16 ugh May 25 10:09:51 BERR705 EXC 0: Bus Error in Task " \ $�$� (0x2024a0e8) SR=0x3000, PC=0x10108744, Addr=0x21290bf8, SSW=0x0525 May 25 10:10:04 funky May 25 10:10:04 is it just me or is it hard to believe that is just an informational message and nothing to worry about? May 25 10:10:56 particularly on a machine that was randomly rebooting itself May 25 10:11:56 if that's normal, someone seriously needs to work on their UI design May 25 10:20:58 I *hate* loud people... fucking humans can't behave in a pcpool... May 25 10:22:38 * koen recommends 500W speakers, a QSC USA 900 amp and some Atari Teenage Riot music May 25 10:23:44 koen: ok and where is the punishment? May 25 10:23:49 heh May 25 10:24:14 most people I have encountered don't like ATR May 25 10:24:44 koen: It is not my favorite music, but I can understand they're fucked... May 25 10:34:58 pb_ I'm seeing update-rc.d $D syslog ${INITSCRIPT_PARAMS} in busybox.postinst because rev oe-devel rev 1.25(I guess) of busybox_1.00.bb removed it. May 25 10:35:18 andersee: hi May 25 10:36:12 Ah, he exited... I'm also getting 'unparsed line' on the latest .bb May 25 10:36:34 jbowler: with the aticore one? May 25 10:36:39 this is on my todo May 25 10:37:12 No, sorry, with busybox_1.00.bb 'pkg_postinst_${PN} () {' May 25 10:39:14 Ok, the latter problem is because I need rev 212 of bitbake. May 25 10:41:06 And it may be that the former is because I only had the first of the four revisions to busybox_1.00.bb - I've just picked up a rev to classes/update-rc.d.bbclass May 25 10:42:08 Yep, "set default rc-update.d parameter to defaults"... sorry folks, looks like I had a bad intermediate pull. May 25 10:43:44 zecke: morning May 25 10:44:14 jbowler: don't worry May 25 10:46:07 proti_: I'm going to implement a bitbake 'offline/cached' modus (not on by default though) May 25 10:46:13 proti_: do you've some code already? May 25 10:51:20 I'm trying to build a bootstrap-image and a gpe-image, but bitbake is trying to build a package linux-jlime-sh3-2.6.11-r0 which fails May 25 10:51:57 ah, the '_append' bug May 25 10:52:11 * koen declares it a bug now others are seeing it too May 25 10:52:46 I don't see any _append on my screen... but I do see "cc1: error: invalid option 'l'" May 25 10:52:47 its a feature May 25 10:53:35 Arjan: I suspect FOO_append_bla = kernel-something isn't working May 25 10:54:04 koen: okay... do you know of a solution yet? May 25 10:54:14 not yet May 25 10:54:23 ow :( May 25 10:54:32 so it's simply not possible to build images right now? May 25 10:54:45 hardcode the kernel you want May 25 10:55:03 i'm busy with something different atm., but I'll look later May 25 10:55:19 well, I don't even want a kernel... I built my kernel manually May 25 10:55:52 * kergoth yawns May 25 10:56:18 wot size partition do i need for oz 3.5.3 ? May 25 10:56:24 anyone got the datasheet for a BSTH0460 thyristor diode by chance? :) May 25 10:56:34 wot device ? May 25 10:56:40 c760 May 25 10:56:47 64/64 iirc May 25 10:57:00 k cheers.. ill give it a go May 25 10:57:04 good luck May 25 10:57:15 thx ;) May 25 10:57:19 CoreDump|work: not a BTA? May 25 10:58:40 hey kergoth May 25 10:58:46 keturn: settled in allready? May 25 10:59:06 mickeyl, not sur eif it was something you said or not but somebody i read a flash howto where the author stated they id not know of a hardware reset method for the Z, was that you? May 25 10:59:35 feels weird being back in my townhouse, not having lived here for 2 years. doesnt feel like home anymore May 25 10:59:36 heh May 25 10:59:44 * kergoth decides to play some wow, then code for a bit May 25 11:00:19 dan2003: some zauri have a reset switch, other don't May 25 11:00:26 koen: nope, BST. It is an old and deprecated model. I just need the datasheet to order a replacement part May 25 11:00:38 pulling the battery works as 'reset' too May 25 11:01:12 CoreDump|work: don't you have the specs for the device? May 25 11:01:39 heh nope. That would be to easy May 25 11:01:41 I suspect it's either 400V/6A or 4A/600V May 25 11:02:03 koen: more like 60A, it's wired w/ 6mm² May 25 11:02:15 heh May 25 11:02:21 :) May 25 11:02:42 i find if u hold down the purple function button and the home/pwr on btn whilst pushing the batt cover relaese btn back and then forward that it resets the device May 25 11:03:40 koen: it's part of an power amplifier for ancient DC servo motors May 25 11:06:49 cant remember where i red that May 25 11:06:57 maybe the manufacturer would know May 25 11:07:27 CoreDump|work: like these: http://loher.de/de/produkte/motoren.htm ? May 25 11:08:08 ah, no, you have those funky DC motors May 25 11:08:26 koen: indeed. funky and _old_. May 25 11:09:06 koen: the manufacturer is siemens. They dunno a thing about the thyristors. To old :) May 25 11:09:14 hah May 25 11:09:20 geee May 25 11:09:33 I've found a date on the wiring diagram May 25 11:09:41 '73 ? May 25 11:09:43 23.11.66 May 25 11:09:45 heh May 25 11:12:00 oh, we found someone has has _one_ of these. This bastard wants 2000%u20AC for it May 25 11:12:11 err 2000 Euro May 25 11:13:31 yeah, antique is quite pricey :) May 25 11:15:07 sheesh, I'll just buy some random 60A thyristor and pray that it works. May 25 11:23:17 * mickeyl is about to release the first version of the BB shell May 25 11:23:31 * koen is about to add maemo to OE May 25 11:28:03 any suggestion on a good sourceforge mirror? May 25 11:28:34 Ken|JLimeX: heanet for europe May 25 11:28:50 thx May 25 11:29:04 belnet is a bit faster, but misses stuff May 25 11:32:35 hmmm May 25 11:36:16 switzerland seems to be decent in terms of mirrors May 25 11:41:53 where's kergoth now? May 25 11:42:09 in my townhouse in MN May 25 11:42:17 cool May 25 11:42:22 how long was the drive? May 25 11:42:48 14 hours of drive time, roughly, not counting all the time at rest stops and gas stations and stuff May 25 11:42:54 and 3 hours of crappy sleep in the car at a rest stop May 25 11:43:00 heh May 25 11:43:07 I hate those sort of trips May 25 12:27:54 http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770 May 25 12:28:16 yeah, yeah May 25 12:28:26 I'm almost finished adding it to OE May 25 12:30:23 thats a debian device, btw May 25 12:30:36 yup May 25 12:30:40 goooo debian! May 25 12:36:43 too bad they probably wont release the hildon ui May 25 12:36:51 evening May 25 12:36:59 Patches that are sent in are handled by whoever takes an interest and applies them? May 25 12:37:25 Right. May 25 12:37:51 So the only way to make sure that something gets applied, is to keep bumping until you see it dropping down on bk pull? May 25 12:38:11 If it's in bugzilla, someone will get to it eventually. May 25 12:38:32 It's mostly not bugfixed more like specific machine/distro changes May 25 12:38:43 Doesn't matter. Put it in bugzilla. May 25 12:39:08 That's the only way to be sure that the patch won't be overlooked. May 25 12:39:26 Thx, will do that. Got a quick url? May 25 12:39:37 see /topic May 25 12:40:58 doh May 25 12:45:59 Ken read your pm's May 25 12:49:09 Kristoffer: by the way, one way to speed up application of your patches is to send the changes as actual patches, not "here is a new file, please overwrite the old one with it". May 25 12:49:45 pb_: hey did you ever get around to reading that bitbake-ng email? May 25 12:49:54 pb_, will do next time thx. May 25 12:50:09 kergoth: ah, um, no. sorry, I've been swamped for the past few days. I'll read it this evening, though, I promise. May 25 12:50:15 hehe, np May 25 12:50:24 in mn now, thinking about getting some work done May 25 12:50:28 oh, right, cool May 25 12:50:48 has all your stuff been shipped up there now? May 25 12:51:24 its in the moving company's warehouse about now, usually takes a total of 10 days or so to get it all here May 25 12:51:31 so should have it in about a week or so May 25 12:54:01 pb_ job control in ash seems to no longer work, at least on openslug - I just looked at the changes, it might be something to do with the removal of the CONFIG_ASH_JOB_CONTROL option in celf-ash-builtins.patch May 25 12:54:17 jbowler: oh, yeah, sorry about that. I don't know how that change got into the patch. May 25 12:54:27 I'll fix it in a few minutes, or feel free to do so yourself. May 25 12:55:06 kergoth: ah, right May 25 12:55:09 It's just the removal of the Config.in lines isn't it? May 25 12:55:34 Yeah. May 25 12:55:47 The celf-ash-builtins patch should just be adding lines, not removing anything. May 25 12:56:06 I guess I must have screwed up resolving a merge conflict or something. May 25 12:56:18 Ok, I'll put that Config.in entry back in, test and push to nslu2-linux.bkbits.net (parent of which is oe-devel) May 25 12:56:24 thanks May 25 12:56:53 can you push from nslu2-linux to oe-devel, or do we need to get someone else to pull that change up? May 25 12:57:07 iirc kergoth's box does that May 25 12:57:12 nope, that was a manual process May 25 12:57:20 my box only syncs oe-devel -> openembedded May 25 12:57:24 You pull, there's already another busybox patch (mount -t and umount -t) waiting to be pulled. May 25 12:57:28 and the nslu2 folks have an auto oe -> nslu2 pull May 25 12:57:34 none in the oppposite direction May 25 12:58:05 theres probably a huge number of csets to pull from them, needs review to ensure no badness is included May 25 12:58:19 Right, nslu2 is up to date with oe-devel at present. I'll make the change then ping you all here, there are 144 csets. May 25 12:58:56 Okay. May 25 12:59:10 kergoth: is there any particular procedure for doing that review? May 25 12:59:30 I'm not all that au fait with that part of the bitkeeper workflow, as you probably gathered. May 25 12:59:31 heh May 25 12:59:48 not really, usually just do a preliminary glance at what files were touched by the csets, normally most of them affect nslu2 packages only May 25 13:00:04 then of the ones that do touch global stuff, do a quick perusal of a bk export -tpatch of them May 25 13:00:09 just to make sure they're sane May 25 13:00:47 okay May 25 13:00:59 how do you exclude them from the pull if they aren't? May 25 13:03:18 bk cset -x# generates a new cset that reverses the changes in that cset May 25 13:03:26 then you talk to them about it, find a sane solution, and they push the new one May 25 13:03:49 right May 25 13:04:36 by the way, I need to find a way to make cold-plugging of usb network devices work. I thought of three possible solutions, but I'm not sure which is the best one. any thoughts on these? May 25 13:04:56 (a) make an /etc/hotplug/usb.rc that handles coldplugging, by doing "ifup" on all the interfaces that it discovers at boot time May 25 13:05:22 (b) make /etc/init.d/networking bring up all the interfaces that exist, not just the ones marked "auto", probably using some new flag to ifupdown May 25 13:05:49 (c) mark all the interfaces that are likely to want coldplugging as "auto", and teach ifupdown to ignore ones that don't exist when doing ifup -a May 25 13:06:26 I vote for a May 25 13:06:29 I'm kind of inclined to do (a) and throw away all the "auto" stuff in the interfaces file. May 25 13:07:10 But, that way you'd lose the ability to create tunnels, or to bring interfaces up in a defined order, both of which might suck. May 25 13:07:28 b) isn't all that bad of an idea, considering debian already has an /etc/default/hotplug that changes 'auto' policies May 25 13:07:32 would jsut be a matter of adding another May 25 13:07:36 hmm May 25 13:07:57 pb_: Have you looked at ubuntu at all? May 25 13:08:09 treke: No. Does it have a solution for that? May 25 13:08:11 They seem to do something with interfaces and using hotplug to detect when to bring up interfaces May 25 13:08:27 dont know if it is what you want, but it might be worth looking at May 25 13:08:46 We already use hotplug to bring up interfaces in OE, but that only works for ones that are actually hotplugged. May 25 13:08:53 pb_: isnt there already a generic coldplugging thing that generates calls to /sbin/hotplug on bootup? generates fake events? May 25 13:08:59 i seem to remember hearing about something like that May 25 13:09:15 been a while since i really paid attention to the hotplug devel list, or how coldplugging works, for that matter May 25 13:09:26 kergoth: I thought so too, but I don't find any trace of it in OE. It seems that SuSE does have something called "coldplug" that might be that thing, but I don't know where it came from. May 25 13:09:31 pb_: They use it for things like pcmcia as well as actual hotplug stuff May 25 13:09:31 hmm May 25 13:09:56 afaict, the only coldplugging mechanism we have right now is the /etc/hotplug/*.rc stuff. May 25 13:10:12 treke: okay, I'll take a look. May 25 13:10:16 pb_: theres that new project that uses sysfs and hotplug to generate initrds, i bet that very code coudl be used to generate the events based on the sysfs info, but thatd only help for 2.6 May 25 13:10:18 * kergoth shrugs May 25 13:10:27 yeah May 25 13:10:28 I thought somebody added coldplugging at one point May 25 13:10:30 the interfaces entry looks something like May 25 13:10:33 mapping hotplug May 25 13:10:33 script grep May 25 13:10:33 map eth0 May 25 13:10:34 Anyway, gentoo has the same idea May 25 13:10:44 but there is probably more going on in the background May 25 13:10:46 personally I'm not too bothered about anything pre-2.6, though. May 25 13:11:04 pb_: have you seen the udev/hotoplug developments lately? May 25 13:11:08 treke: I use that to bring up usb0 quick enought for nfsroot booting May 25 13:11:16 works great May 25 13:11:16 adding something based on sysfs isn't going to make the 2.4 situation any worse than it is today, in that coldplugging will continue to not work, but I guess 2.4 people can live with that. May 25 13:11:17 heh May 25 13:11:20 apparently all those usb, etc agents included in diethotplug will soon be obselete May 25 13:11:29 kergoth: no, I haven't been following that stuff May 25 13:11:43 so all that will be left is the /etc/hotplug.d multiplexor, and udev itself can do that, when called as hotplug May 25 13:11:59 kergoth: I was only galvanised into action today by the discovery that, on this board I'm working on, I need to unplug and replug the usb-ethernet adapter to get eth0 configured. May 25 13:12:06 ah May 25 13:12:33 if it's present at boot time, nothing happens. which sucks, because the ethernet is the only way to talk to the board, so unattended reboots are kind of hard. May 25 13:12:45 nod May 25 13:12:59 also because, in the productized form, the usb dongle will be inside the case and not easy to unplug May 25 13:12:59 heh May 25 13:13:15 heh May 25 13:13:31 I guess I should do some reading in the list archives or something. May 25 13:14:21 I must admit to being rather ignorant of the exact interactions and relationships between linux-hotplug, hotplug-ng, diethotplug and udev right now. May 25 13:28:58 hmm that mirror isnt working out for me May 25 13:30:10 where can i find a nice list of sourceforge mirrors? May 25 13:30:42 on... sourceforge? May 25 13:30:47 just guessing May 25 13:31:07 :P May 25 13:33:54 btw, is anybody using howl on arm? it doesn't seem to work at all for me. May 25 13:34:13 I'm not sure if that's some architecture-specific lossage, or something wrong with the OE build, or what. May 25 13:34:54 haven't tried it yet May 25 13:59:58 zekce. May 25 14:00:00 zecke. May 25 14:00:11 re May 25 14:00:24 hehe May 25 14:02:17 03mickeyl * r213 10bitbake/ (ChangeLog MANIFEST bin/bitbake): bitbake: factor out methods parseConfigurationFile() and handleCollections() May 25 14:02:40 03mickeyl * r214 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: add first (preview) version of the bitbake interactive mode May 25 14:02:57 oooooooh May 25 14:03:06 bb shell May 25 14:03:25 build stuff without reparsing :) May 25 14:03:28 hehe May 25 14:03:29 t'works May 25 14:03:35 bbl in 1h May 25 14:03:48 cya later May 25 14:17:56 koen: hrw|gone : Ok there was a problem with bitbake? May 25 14:18:56 _append_foo isn't working May 25 14:19:02 (that's my suspicion) May 25 14:19:29 testcase? May 25 14:20:02 _append_foo should work May 25 14:20:02 bitbake virtual/kernel for MACHINE=akita May 25 14:20:25 zekce: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/bitbake-nv-virtual-kernel May 25 14:20:34 that's what bitbake -nv gives on that May 25 14:21:15 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel_foo does not work May 25 14:21:38 bitbake does only know _append, _remove, _prepend as overrides May 25 14:21:47 introduction (from what I see in the code) May 25 14:22:06 huh? May 25 14:22:11 well, _foo is a valid override, but I don't think PREFERRED_PROVIDER is subject to overrides. May 25 14:22:16 if foo is in overrides, update_data will collapse that May 25 14:23:00 mickey reminded me yesterday that (iirc) bitbake inspects PREFERRED_PROVIDER_ before running the overrides. May 25 14:23:20 that's probably a bug. May 25 14:24:21 ah May 25 14:26:52 kergoth: hey you made it :) May 25 14:27:19 * zekce starts the next try with solaris10 May 25 14:27:39 * pb_ gives zekce a funny look May 25 14:27:56 Solaris working well? May 25 14:28:26 Kristoffer: yesterday it didn't set the root pw May 25 14:28:46 Kristoffer: and FBSD could mount/write ufs but doesn't know the partition type May 25 14:28:50 or irix you have a demo user to solve that :) May 25 14:28:57 Kristoffer: linux normally can't write May 25 14:30:18 pb_: Solaris as is as old as I'm, it must be great :) May 25 14:30:29 zekce: yup May 25 14:30:31 It sounds quite stable :) May 25 14:30:36 hrm.. so, who's pulling with a 1200 baud modem? (the repo has been locked for ages now) May 25 14:31:01 Btw, anyone using Irix regular? May 25 14:31:09 nope May 25 14:31:12 got myself a SGI indy that i'm quite keen on getting Irix onto May 25 14:31:19 since it can't do dual head properly May 25 14:31:21 Kristoffer: judging from my experience with the boxes at university, it's far from stable May 25 14:31:23 reenoo_: nah, not 1200baud... they're pulling using IP over SMS May 25 14:31:39 my DSL died, I believe I may have left oe-devel read-locked May 25 14:31:43 linux runs very nice on the indy May 25 14:31:51 reenoo_: and no joke, there's an implementation of that on the web May 25 14:31:54 jbowler, oops :p May 25 14:31:56 hey Twiun May 25 14:31:56 Any OE arch that fits the Indy? May 25 14:32:11 Twiun: and avian carriers :) May 25 14:32:17 mipsel? May 25 14:32:19 koen: now that one is a joke ;) May 25 14:32:25 koen: but IP/SMS exists May 25 14:32:46 Twiun: I'm sure people have actually tried avian carriers May 25 14:33:50 Twiun: actually someone implemented ip over avian carriers. they're printing/scanning some sort of barcode IIRC May 25 14:34:09 * Twiun rolls on the floor laughing May 25 14:35:00 pb_: I think my message about nslu2-linux disappeared as a result of DSL problems... nslu2-linux is now up-to-date with oe-devel and with the celf (ash job control) fix, which works. May 25 14:35:26 There are about 450 local csets there, but they're mostly merges and mostly non-core May 25 14:36:02 Twiun: obviously not exactly IP since the pigeon will ignore the addressing data ;) May 25 14:36:07 zekce: heh May 25 14:36:13 Twiun: read the RFC: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html May 25 14:36:33 Arjan: yeah, I was aware of it May 25 14:36:44 Arjan: just not actual physical plans to do it May 25 14:36:58 jbowler: very good May 25 14:37:53 Arjan: I'd be concerned about packet floods resulting from overbreeding May 25 14:38:18 heh May 25 14:38:24 pb_: I suspect a high proportion of core changes are mine (particularly anything in busybox). The main one is the fix for mount -at and umount -at May 25 14:39:57 jbowler: okay. I'm about to go eat dinner, but maybe you can talk kergoth into pulling those changes. May 25 14:40:19 http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup.html <= it was implemented! May 25 14:40:38 ping times varying from 3211 to 6389 seconds May 25 14:41:00 Somebody in england did it like four years ago May 25 14:41:19 what is diff between gcc-csl and gcc? May 25 14:41:29 firewall implemented with shotguns May 25 14:41:39 Ok, kergoth: there's a set of stable, merged, chanegs in nslu2-linux.bkbits.net (up to date with oe-devel as of a few minutes ago). Pretty much all of them are NSLU2 specific or merges. May 25 14:41:41 * reenoo_ rotfl May 25 14:42:08 CosmicPenguin: yah, desperate situations and all that May 25 14:42:22 routing would be off once the earth magnetic fields switches around ;) May 25 14:42:53 All you need now is a FDDI ring implemented by a hamster in a whell May 25 14:42:57 s/whell/wheel/ May 25 14:43:20 cruelty to animals for the 21st century May 25 14:43:26 let's hope someone is on that case. May 25 14:44:39 Kristoffer: gcc-csl should be deleted; gcc shouldn't May 25 14:46:48 'night all May 25 14:46:54 'night koen May 25 14:47:00 g'night koen May 25 14:53:51 mickeyl: print "BBSHELL: D'oh! The . May 25 14:54:02 :D May 25 14:54:21 mickeyl: why not os.system("apt-get install explizit-fortunes") && os.system("fortune") May 25 14:54:56 stupid stupid SunOS May 25 14:55:08 03mickeyl * r215 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: Python 2.3.x compatibility fix May 25 14:59:05 mickeyl: where do we hold the depgraph nowadays? May 25 14:59:56 iirc in the cooker class May 25 15:00:23 ah wait May 25 15:00:33 self.buildDepgraph() refers more or less only to self.status May 25 15:00:33 mickeyl: something permitting is to save cooker data in another class? May 25 15:01:13 depends on what it is May 25 15:01:15 btw. May 25 15:01:19 s/zekce/zecke/ ? May 25 15:02:02 mickeyl: but then treke doesn't know who I'm May 25 15:02:48 03mickeyl * r216 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: call update_data right after parsing the conf files May 25 15:02:56 zecke: crazy kde guys, always swapping K and C around May 25 15:03:04 that fixes the _append problem we've seen May 25 15:03:39 mickey@r2d2:/local/pkg/oe/spitz$ bitbake -i May 25 15:03:39 BitBake Shell Version 0.1 (C) 2005 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer May 25 15:03:39 Type 'help' for more information, press CTRL-D to exit. May 25 15:03:39 BB>> print PREFERRED_PROVIDERS May 25 15:03:39 virtual/qte:qte-for-opie virtual/libqpe:libqpe-opie virtual/libsdl:libsdl-qpe virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross virtual/libqpe:libqpe-opie virtual/xserver:xserver-kdrive virtual/kernel:openzaurus-pxa27x May 25 15:03:46 hug ~bitbake -i May 25 15:03:50 :D May 25 15:04:05 heh May 25 15:04:23 look at left May 25 15:04:27 take left May 25 15:04:32 give left to right May 25 15:04:38 go left May 25 15:04:49 hehe May 25 15:04:57 yes, we'll make it an adventure May 25 15:05:02 the bitbake adventure May 25 15:05:35 compile mtd-utils May 25 15:05:44 you compile mtd-utils - it is posioned. You are dead. May 25 15:05:48 hehe May 25 15:05:48 the bitbake labyrinth, if you found a way out you've cheated and looked at the source May 25 15:07:07 mallum: would it be possible to implement viewport scrolling in matchbox easily? May 25 15:07:49 zecke: hmm, not really May 25 15:08:05 :} May 25 15:10:02 any suggestion on how to unbork the OE repo? mail bitmover? May 25 15:10:25 is it broken? May 25 15:10:26 what is borked? May 25 15:10:30 i just pulled successfully May 25 15:10:44 kergoth: can you remind me again which particular bitbake-dev mail I was meant to be reading? May 25 15:11:03 I see you have been posting quite prolifically for the past few days May 25 15:11:04 mickeyl: it's been locked for about an hour now May 25 15:11:41 ah May 25 15:11:43 write-locked May 25 15:11:45 looks true May 25 15:11:55 also... May 25 15:11:57 11:32PM my DSL died, I believe I may have left oe-devel May 25 15:11:57 read-locked May 25 15:12:12 let me see May 25 15:12:28 It keeps droping my proxy May 25 15:12:39 I didnt think bk locked for reads unless it was a clone May 25 15:13:15 maybe it's just that clones were the only thing that took long enough to be noticeable. May 25 15:13:21 could be May 25 15:13:45 try again May 25 15:13:53 I guess it would need to do at least _some_ locking for any pull, though perhaps only instantaneously. May 25 15:14:13 03reenoo 07 * r1.3394 10openembedded/packages/gtk-webcore/ (6 files in 2 dirs): gtk-webcore: add CVS .bbs May 25 15:14:20 mickeyl: thanks May 25 15:14:20 ~praise mickeyl May 25 15:14:22 All hail mickeyl! May 25 15:14:23 :) May 25 15:15:14 pb_: the Architectural Overview one May 25 15:15:40 kergoth: thanks May 25 15:15:45 * pb_ reading nw May 25 15:15:47 now, too May 25 15:18:30 03CoreDump 07 * r1.3393.1.1 10openembedded/packages/altboot/files_collie/altboot.cfg: altboot: fix config May 25 15:24:00 kergoth: seems pretty reasonable for the most part, though I'm not sure I understand how the recipe box would interact with the rest of the system. May 25 15:27:31 its function is to act as a container, so that its known that all inter-recipe relationships are established within that group, and i suspect that the recipe box will be the most common means by which metadata lookups are made May 25 15:28:10 for example, i'd like to see someone able to make a call like busybox.SRC_URI to obtain the url of the current preferred busybox provider. May 25 15:28:26 * kergoth shrugs May 25 15:28:44 obviously most of hte details need to be worked out, that was just an overview May 25 15:28:50 okay May 25 15:29:17 so if you have any ideas, implementation wise, do reply to the email with em May 25 15:29:24 or recommendations or thoughts on apis for the different components May 25 15:29:32 * kergoth wanders off May 25 15:29:36 righto. I'll give that some more thought. May 25 16:04:39 g'night May 25 16:04:43 hehe bitbake will execute the bitbake unit-tests... May 25 16:04:46 I like that idea May 25 16:34:39 All my recent images since 5/24 have the timestamp 20050524183815 in the filenames... any idea why? May 25 16:51:50 good nite May 25 16:52:28 'night zecke May 25 19:51:30 I'm trying to do a bk pull and I get this error: May 25 19:51:31 michael@deb-serv-1:~/stuff/bitbake$ bk pull May 25 19:51:32 pull: cannot find package root May 25 19:58:30 try the right directory May 25 20:15:12 night May 25 20:25:12 emte: yippee! you're a freaking genius ;) May 25 20:27:12 ? May 25 20:27:25 oh May 25 20:27:30 you're suggestion to simple change to the correct directory worked May 25 20:27:38 no i've done it myself May 25 20:27:42 :) May 25 20:38:02 hmm.. I don't seem to be able to bitbake anything: http://pastebin.com/289893 May 25 20:46:21 kergoth: when do you leave for MN? May 25 20:46:53 couple days ago May 25 21:26:27 he's in MN May 25 21:26:47 apparantly the drive sucked May 25 21:28:17 that's a bummer May 25 21:28:50 I recently drove from san francisco to MN... though I took my time... a little more than a week May 25 21:31:00 14 hours May 25 21:31:33 okay i need help ... and not psych May 25 21:31:33 yeah... any 14 hour drive will suck... no matter where your coming from and going to May 25 21:32:49 i cant remember if i asked this before ... in C pointer to a string array and trying to print the string May 25 21:33:02 seem to be having issues May 25 21:33:13 mainly a seg fault May 25 21:34:17 perhaps what i am doing isnt legal May 25 23:39:21 ljp: ping May 25 23:41:08 you hapen to know if QWSServer::sendMouseEvent is new in 2.3.10? May 25 23:42:43 the changelog isn't too detailed May 25 23:42:45 :) May 25 23:43:53 - Rendered font data is now also shared between processes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 25 23:59:56 2005