**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 29 23:59:57 2005
May 30 00:32:49 <koen> good morning all
May 30 00:32:56 <Arjan> morning koen
May 30 00:33:01 <koen> hey Arjan 
May 30 00:34:48 <robert_> hi koen
May 30 00:34:57 <robert_> hi Arjan
May 30 00:44:20 <koen> hey robert_ 
May 30 01:46:19 <hrw|work> hello
May 30 01:47:00 <Hertog> g'day
May 30 01:49:07 <hrw|work> if someone interested - I changed definition of bbcow
May 30 01:50:10 <hrw|work> koen: is it normal that you blog show each message twice?
May 30 02:00:59 <hrw|work> http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/05/28/#release_pool
May 30 02:04:36 <Arjan> yay! got the Welcome to Opie screen on my h1930! finally!
May 30 02:05:10 <Hertog> Arjan: that's been quite a struggle :)
May 30 02:06:16 <hrw|work> Arjan: that screen looks awesome on jornada ;)
May 30 02:10:09 <Arjan> Hertog: no it hasn't, I didn't do anything in the weekend :)
May 30 02:10:47 <Arjan> too bad I can't interact with it yet... should be possible though
May 30 02:16:39 <koen> hrw|work: It shouldn't diplay stuff twice
May 30 02:17:49 <koen> hrw|work: I blame python
May 30 02:17:59 <hrw|work> koen: but it do
May 30 02:18:47 <koen> hrw|work: a, I see, it does it when you browse dates seperately
May 30 02:19:06 <koen> when I have some time I'll look at pwordpress
May 30 02:19:08 <Spyro> hi guys
May 30 02:19:25 <koen> hey mr molton
May 30 02:19:53 <Spyro> just want to check - if I have the latest bitbake should it still work on an openembedded profile (right term?) thats a couple of weeks old ?
May 30 02:20:05 <koen> mostly
May 30 02:20:12 <koen> the other way around doesn't work
May 30 02:20:15 <koen> new OE, old bitbake
May 30 02:20:40 <Spyro> koen: Im still having trouble with ikg-utils
May 30 02:20:48 <Spyro> it tries to fetch from CVS but fails.
May 30 02:21:01 <Spyro> is it possible to get it to dump the actual commands its running ?
May 30 02:21:17 <koen> -D -D -D-D or something like that
May 30 02:21:40 <hrw|work> Spyro: can you fetch it by hand? did you cleared cache?
May 30 02:24:04 <Hertog> :q!
May 30 02:24:08 <Hertog> whoops
May 30 02:24:20 <koen> mmmmmm.... vi....
May 30 02:24:33 <Hertog> guilty :)
May 30 02:24:47 <Spyro> hrw|work: cleared the cache...
May 30 02:24:49 <koen> (as in: mmmmm.... donuts.....)
May 30 02:25:40 <Spyro> koen: of god thats gonna take hours!
May 30 02:25:47 <Spyro> s/of/oh/
May 30 02:30:26 <Spyro> bitbake -b openembedded/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6cvs.bb fails to work (the file does exist)
May 30 02:30:33 <Spyro> bitbake -b openembedded/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6cvs.bb
May 30 02:30:33 <Spyro> ERROR: Unable to open openembedded/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6cvs.bb
May 30 02:32:34 <hrw|work> NOTE: package ipkg-utils-native-1.6cvs20050516: completed
May 30 02:32:58 <hrw|work> but not up-to-date bitbake (cannot connect to berlios)
May 30 02:35:48 <koen> Spyro: -b is broken
May 30 02:35:54 <koen> (I noticed this morning)
May 30 02:44:02 <hrw|work> hi pb
May 30 02:44:09 <pb_> hi hrw|work 
May 30 02:47:57 <RP|tablet> morning all
May 30 02:48:07 <koen> hey RP|tablet 
May 30 02:48:25 <koen> still enjoying guadec?
May 30 02:48:37 <hrw|work> hi RP|tablet 
May 30 02:48:42 <RP|tablet> koen: Yes, its different :)
May 30 02:48:50 <Hertog> RP|tablet: moring... hmm tablet == N770?
May 30 02:48:55 <RP|tablet> Remebered the mains charger today 
May 30 02:48:59 <koen> tc1100 iirc
May 30 02:49:07 <RP|tablet> Hertog: No, but I do have one next to me...
May 30 02:49:14 <RP|tablet> tc1000
May 30 02:49:27 <koen> is that the transmeta one?
May 30 02:49:32 <RP|tablet> Its being a pain as suspend/resume won't work on it
May 30 02:49:41 <RP|tablet> yes, 1Ghz transmeta
May 30 02:50:04 <RP|tablet> Just been to the power management talk. The guy giving it couldn't get acpi to work on this device :)
May 30 02:50:19 <RP|tablet> (He tried yesterday)
May 30 02:51:01 <Hertog> euh, I read that the wrong way... 'power management talk' sounded like some management course..yuk :)
May 30 02:51:05 <pb_> heh, that's no good
May 30 02:51:10 <pb_> who was giving the talk?
May 30 02:51:43 <RP|tablet> Matthew Garret
May 30 02:52:12 <RP|tablet> It looks like an ide dma problem which he supposedly has patches for
May 30 02:53:03 <pb_> aha.
May 30 02:57:30 <pb_> Hertog: heh, that would have been amusing.
May 30 02:58:29 <RP|tablet> if I can find an irc arm binary, I might just give it a go...
May 30 02:59:00 <koen> xchat?
May 30 02:59:57 <RP|tablet> yes, I'll have to raid the feeds in a minute...
May 30 03:32:39 <RP|tablet> koen: Is xchat in the familiar 0.8.2 feed?
May 30 03:32:58 <koen> RP|tablet: not that I know off, but debian-arm will have it
May 30 03:33:21 <RP|tablet> koen: ok, thanks. 
May 30 03:36:12 <mickeyl> good morning
May 30 03:36:16 <koen> hey mickeyl 
May 30 03:37:47 <hrw|work> hi mickeyl 
May 30 03:39:14 <pb_> mickeyl: good morning
May 30 03:39:30 <RP|tablet> morning mickeyl 
May 30 03:47:01 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3444.1.1 10openembedded/packages/unzip/unzip_552.bb: fix unzip S
May 30 04:02:32 <RP|tablet> off for food :)
May 30 04:03:21 <Hertog> ah, life is tough... Samsung D500 or Nokia6230i? They just don't build phones that are just phones anymore... do they?
May 30 04:04:05 <koen> nope
May 30 04:04:28 <koen> as long as it does gprs + bt it's fine by me 
May 30 04:06:05 <kiatoa> I'm getting #error "No bus width supported. What's the point?" when making handhelds-sa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39-r5 is this a know issue?
May 30 04:06:19 <Hertog> koen: indeed. 
May 30 04:10:34 <hrw|work> Arjan: h1940 support files which you added to OE bug #40 are up-to-date ones?
May 30 04:16:03 <Arjan> hrw|work: yes, they are. however, I didn't get the kernel to work entirely on the h1930
May 30 04:16:48 <Arjan> i'll attach my latest files to make sure they are the same
May 30 04:16:53 <hrw|work> ok
May 30 04:17:36 <reenoo> afternoon
May 30 04:19:11 <Kompo> reenoo: The Gtk+Webcore small screen ui can be activated with cmdline option '--slim', it's already there
May 30 04:19:27 <Kompo> reenoo: I just didn't remember that it's already implemented
May 30 04:19:54 <Kompo> ofcourse, it's pretty hard to navigate with it, since you cant enter urls or go forward/backward
May 30 04:20:30 <reenoo> Kompo: ah, cool. I'll give that a try once I'm back home
May 30 04:20:42 <mickeyl> morning reenoo
May 30 04:21:12 <reenoo> hey mickeyl 
May 30 04:21:47 <Arjan> hrw|work: the latest are online
May 30 04:25:18 <hrw|work> ok
May 30 04:27:16 <hrw|work> Arjan: PV setting is not needed in that bb (btw)
May 30 04:28:22 <Arjan> hrw|work: should I remove it?
May 30 04:29:03 <hrw|work> I will remove it
May 30 04:29:56 <Arjan> ok
May 30 04:38:08 <CIA-4> 03hrw 07 * r1.3447 10openembedded/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added HP 1940 support (patch by Arjan Schrijver) - closed #40
May 30 04:39:01 <Arjan> hrw|work: thanks
May 30 04:39:16 <hrw|work> np
May 30 04:39:46 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl * r230 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: remove accidantly commited debug line
May 30 04:40:34 <hrw|work> argh... I cannot connect to svn.berlios.de :(
May 30 04:40:55 <mickeyl> i can't reproduce #18
May 30 04:41:31 <mickeyl> i can't reproduce #17 as well
May 30 04:44:16 <hrw|work> mickeyl: about #18 - we have to mirror source or drop pacakge
May 30 04:45:01 <hrw|work> same with #31
May 30 04:45:08 <mickeyl> then let's mirror
May 30 04:45:12 <mickeyl> --> openzaurus.org/mirror
May 30 04:45:15 <hrw|work> ok
May 30 04:46:00 <hrw|work> copied
May 30 04:46:07 <mickeyl> thanx
May 30 04:47:47 <hrw|work> and I know what is going wrong with #18
May 30 04:47:51 <hrw|work> ~shoot zautrix
May 30 04:47:57 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 04:48:04 * ibot shoots zautrix in the eye with a cork gun!
May 30 04:48:04 <mickeyl> ~emulate zautrix
May 30 04:48:10 <ibot> this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away
May 30 04:48:25 <hrw|work> ~spell strikes
May 30 04:48:27 <ibot> 'strikes' may be spelled correctly
May 30 04:49:23 <hrw|work> clean build + knights - work
May 30 04:49:35 <hrw|work> clean build + kdepimpi + knights - #18
May 30 04:49:39 <mickeyl> mmmh
May 30 04:49:42 <mickeyl> bogus headers
May 30 04:49:46 <hrw|work> fsckinig microkde, qtcompat et
May 30 04:49:48 <hrw|work> c
May 30 04:49:49 <mickeyl> ya
May 30 04:50:26 <hrw|work> will probably stage kdepimpi stuff in include/kdepimpi/ lib/kdepimpi/
May 30 04:51:12 <hrw|work>   Assigned To:  Marcin Juszkiewicz <openembedded@hrw.one.pl>  
May 30 04:52:09 <CIA-4> 03hrw 07 * r1.3448 10openembedded/packages/ (tximage/tximage_0.2.bb knights/knights_1.14.bb): tximage, knights: source are now mirrored on openzaurus.org - closed #31
May 30 04:54:08 <hrw|work> zautrix is sick or what? one month without release...
May 30 04:55:16 <hrw|work> hmm.. according to cvs 2.1.5 will be soon
May 30 04:56:28 <hrw|work> mickeyl: pwmpi_2.1.4.bb (1) include pwmpi.inc (2) which include kdepimpi-base.inc (3)
May 30 04:56:52 <hrw|work> (3) has EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST and I want to set 2 extra lines in (2) - will it work?
May 30 05:00:00 <hrw|work> ~lart bugzilla for not staying in bug
May 30 05:00:00 * ibot slaps a compatible dib on bugzilla's head for not staying in bug
May 30 05:03:22 <mickeyl> hrw|work: use +=, that should work
May 30 05:04:46 <hrw|work> ok
May 30 05:05:07 <hrw|work> lack of a/c kills...
May 30 05:12:39 <Hertog> hmm, this is (semi)weird... I have a bb.env with BBPATH=/stuff/build:/stuff/openembedded and a bb-gpe.env with BBPATH=/stuff/build-gpe:/stuff/openembedded
May 30 05:12:53 <Hertog> when in build-gpe, it still builds stuff in /stuff/build
May 30 05:13:12 <Hertog> caching to blame?
May 30 05:13:49 <wrobbie> wazzup with bitbake svn?
May 30 05:14:41 <proti> It seems svn is down.
May 30 05:19:17 <hrw|work> hi Dirk
May 30 05:19:29 <mickeyl> yo dirk
May 30 05:22:50 <do13> Hi
May 30 05:33:48 <Arjan> does anyone knows where I can set the mouse device for Opie? it doesn't react to my touchscreen :(
May 30 05:38:18 <hrw|work> NOTE: package knights-1.14-r2: task do_build: completed
May 30 05:39:52 <mickeyl> very good
May 30 05:41:13 <CIA-4> 03hrw 07 * r1.3449 10openembedded/packages/kdepimpi/ (pwmpi_2.1.4.bb kdepimpi_2.1.4.bb pwmpi.inc kdepimpi-base.inc): kdepimpi: stage own things in own dirs so knights will build - closed #18
May 30 06:20:04 <wrobbie> heh.. it's amazing how long the glibc packaging task takes.
May 30 06:20:52 <Kristoffer> This goes out to all OE developers, What would you say are the main advantage developing using OE versus Scratchbox?
May 30 06:20:56 <wrobbie> and I only need 1 or 2 of the gazillion ipks it creates :)
May 30 06:21:22 <koen> Kristoffer: no need for qemu and/or nfs
May 30 06:21:43 <koen> Kristoffer: better platform abstaction
May 30 06:22:08 <koen> Kristoffer: and of cource package metadata
May 30 06:22:25 <koen> Kristoffer: depenencie fetching and building
May 30 06:22:27 <wrobbie> better automation? 
May 30 06:23:11 <koen> Kristoffer: if I do 'bitbake gpe-image' I end up with all I need to flash my device
May 30 06:23:16 <koen> one command
May 30 06:23:29 <wrobbie> koen: better platform abstraction -- can you explain why?
May 30 06:23:49 <koen> wrobbie: sb requires a target device or qemu
May 30 06:24:23 <koen> so you can't build anything that isn't supported by qemu *or* isn't powerfull enought to run sbrsh
May 30 06:24:39 <wrobbie> ah, ok
May 30 06:25:14 <lazy_marmot> Hi folks, I have a question regarding simpad. I'm trying to build opensimpad-0.9.0 distro and it breaks on building handnelds-sa kernel. It kind of loops on detecting processor type. Is this something known ?
May 30 06:25:36 <wrobbie> now what's a plus point for scratchbox? :)
May 30 06:25:40 <koen> scratchbox is designed to build single packages which have problems crosscompiling
May 30 06:26:45 <koen> you could run OE inside scratchbox, though
May 30 06:26:56 <wrobbie> that's a plus point i guess, depending on the situation..
May 30 06:27:40 <koen> scratchbox is built with a different goal in mind
May 30 06:28:44 <koobla_> hi all - has anyone tried mono 1.1? I'd like to test remoting...
May 30 06:28:51 <koen> essentially scratchbox is a form of vmware/virtualpc 
May 30 06:30:40 <Spyro> koen: does scratchbox run on ARM?
May 30 06:31:11 <Spyro> hrw|work: sorry, I was called away - are you saying that my bb is out of date or my oe profiles ?
May 30 06:31:29 <koen> Spyro: it uses ssh + nfs to run configure scripts on the target device
May 30 06:31:34 <koen> (in a nutshell)
May 30 06:32:01 <Spyro> oh i c
May 30 06:32:05 <Spyro> thats quite neat
May 30 06:32:25 <koen> and it can run build on it as well, if you have an app which wants to run generated binaries as part of the build
May 30 06:32:45 <Spyro> handy
May 30 06:32:48 <koen> Spyro: it's very neat
May 30 06:33:04 <koen> but it lacks the ease of use for complete distro building
May 30 06:33:26 <koen> and atm it's only good for x86 and arm
May 30 06:34:21 <koen> I intend to use it to make ipkgs for "unbuildable" stuff
May 30 06:36:56 <hrw|work> Spyro: no - I wanted to say that maybe your old OE can have problems with new bitbake - noone tried that rather
May 30 06:37:22 <hrw|work> koen: may I take that OE<>scratchbox text into working copy of my article?
May 30 06:38:13 <koen> sure
May 30 06:38:20 <hrw|work> lazy_marmot: you have to manually configure kernel (make oldconfig) and then copy resulted config as defconfig in OE metadata
May 30 06:38:27 <RP|tablet> This is the real tablet :)
May 30 06:38:38 <hrw|work> lazy_marmot: then send diff to bugtracker so we will update it in repo
May 30 06:38:40 <hrw|work> koen: thx
May 30 06:38:41 <koen> RP|tablet: the 770?
May 30 06:39:03 <RP|tablet> koen:  yes
May 30 06:39:15 <Hertog> eh... rub it in.... :)
May 30 06:39:17 <kiatoa> koen: can scratchbox be used to compile stuff for h3600? I've been trying to build ruby packages with oe and would like an easier way (no success yet). I also tried running gcc on the Ipaq but gcc from familiar-0.8.2 doesn't seem to work.
May 30 06:40:22 <koen> it should build them fine
May 30 06:40:40 <lazy_marmot> hrw: Thanks, I'll try this later. If it's working diff will be there.
May 30 06:41:02 <hrw|work> lazy_marmot: thx
May 30 06:41:19 <hrw|work> lazy_marmot: that kind of loop is when defconfig is not-up-to-date
May 30 06:42:58 <Spyro> whats up with berlios ?
May 30 06:43:13 <lazy_marmot> hrw: I see. That's how I wanted to approach it, just wanted to check.
May 30 06:45:10 <RP|tablet> With the wifi power turned down, the battery life on this isn't looking too bad either...
May 30 06:49:06 <Arjan> is it true that familiar-0.9.0 builds can't use ipkg?
May 30 06:49:19 <koen> no
May 30 06:49:30 <Arjan> which feed should I use then?
May 30 06:49:50 <koen> the one you want
May 30 06:50:14 <Arjan> the newest one is 0.8.2 if I look on familiar.handhelds.org/releases
May 30 06:50:18 <Arjan> is there a newer one?
May 30 06:50:46 <koen> the unstable feed
May 30 07:01:54 <koen> hrw|work: which article is that, btw?
May 30 07:03:21 <hrw|work> koen: 'pda programming' - in Polish language
May 30 07:03:35 <hrw|work> koen: some things about pda programming and some about OE
May 30 07:05:15 <Spyro> Hi RP
May 30 07:05:37 <CoreDump|home> hi
May 30 07:05:57 <koen> o, and OE can create wince binaries via arm-wince-pe :)
May 30 07:06:22 <RP|slab> hi Spyro
May 30 07:06:58 <hrw|work> hi CoreDump
May 30 07:07:10 <RP|slab> hi CoreDump|home 
May 30 07:12:54 <Spyro> RP|slab: see msg :-)
May 30 07:13:56 <RP|slab> Spyro: Sorrry, didn't see that - screen had turned itself off on the 770
May 30 07:20:16 <ascent> Hi. When I try to bitbake opie-image, I get the following error:
May 30 07:20:16 <ascent> | cc1: error: invalid option `l'
May 30 07:20:16 <ascent> | cc1: error: invalid option `3'
May 30 07:20:22 <ascent> Any tips?
May 30 07:21:01 <mickey|meeting> show us the full command line
May 30 07:21:33 <ascent> http://ascent.student.utwente.nl/~ascent/error
May 30 07:21:50 <ascent> (that's the second run, it did lots of things before just fine.. )
May 30 07:22:59 <mickeyl> hmm
May 30 07:23:08 <mickeyl> looks like it builds a wrong kernel
May 30 07:23:20 <mickeyl> ipaq-common.conf ? 
May 30 07:23:24 <mickeyl> sounds like a pretty common MACHINE
May 30 07:23:28 <mickeyl> s/common/bogus/
May 30 07:23:36 <ascent> that's the first thing I found looking reasonable.
May 30 07:23:51 <mickeyl> at first, MACHINE is a MACHINE, not a path to a conf
May 30 07:23:53 <ascent> lets see, the conf pointed out a dir with settings.
May 30 07:23:54 <hrw|work> nice MACHINE :))
May 30 07:24:00 <mickeyl> so, if at all, it would've been ipaq-common, not ipaq-common.conf
May 30 07:24:10 <mickeyl> but ipaq-common is also just wrong
May 30 07:24:15 <ascent> # Uncomment this to specify a machine to build for. See the conf directory
May 30 07:24:15 <ascent> # for machines currently known to OpenEmbedded.
May 30 07:24:15 <ascent> MACHINE = "ipaq-common.conf"
May 30 07:24:20 <ascent> okay :)
May 30 07:24:24 <koen> ipaq-pxa-2.6 or h3900, others are bogus
May 30 07:24:31 <ascent> for 2210, what do you recommend ?
May 30 07:24:40 <koen> the former
May 30 07:25:08 <RP|slab> Spyro: The 770 has just died so you'd better talk to "this" me
May 30 07:25:16 <ascent> okay, let's retry
May 30 07:30:19 <hrw|work> iirc OE is not limited to be run on linux.
May 30 07:30:41 <koen> and scratchbox is 
May 30 07:31:04 <koen> hrw|work: OE has been usen on freebsd, colinux and osX
May 30 07:31:11 <koen> s/usen/used/
May 30 07:31:26 <hrw|work> and ms windows under cygwin iirc
May 30 07:31:39 <hrw|work> atleast kergoth tried
May 30 07:31:50 <koen> kergoth tried XP + colinux too
May 30 07:45:16 <hrw|work> ARGHHHHHHHHH
May 30 07:45:55 <hrw|work> I had article open via ssh from Z... all was working good.. until I lost whole...
May 30 07:45:57 <hrw|work> FSCK
May 30 07:57:31 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl * r231 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: 
May 30 07:57:31 <CIA-4> - fix bug in file*** commands (need to clean the _task_cache per
May 30 07:57:31 <CIA-4>  package)
May 30 07:57:31 <CIA-4> - add fileRebuild (clean and rebuild a .bbfile)
May 30 07:58:55 <hrw|work> mickeyl: you work for berlios or what?
May 30 07:58:59 <hrw|work> 16:59 hrw@marcinj:bb$ LC_ALL=C svn up
May 30 07:58:59 <hrw|work> svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused
May 30 08:00:39 <mickeyl> hrw|work: heh, no i don't, but i have my repository checked out via svn+ssh
May 30 08:01:53 <hrw|work> me too
May 30 08:02:24 <hrw|work> maybe today is a day when my work enviroment randomly select which service does not work
May 30 08:03:00 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 08:03:03 <mickeyl> possible
May 30 08:04:18 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl * r232 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: add some more things to TODO
May 30 08:05:48 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3446.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nano/ (nano_1.3.5.bb nano_1.2.1.bb): nano: s/cp/install/
May 30 08:08:32 <hrw|work> trains in .de are expensive...
May 30 08:11:59 <hrw|work> Poznañ->Koln - 29EUR/person Koln->Frankfurt 53EUR/person... argh
May 30 08:12:19 <mickeyl> yeah, DB sucks
May 30 08:21:16 <hrw|work> so it looks like it is easier to go to Berlin that to Frankfurt
May 30 08:23:39 * koen stabs berlios.de
May 30 08:35:25 * mickeyl wanders home
May 30 08:37:59 <hrw|work> ~change 85 eur to pln
May 30 08:38:03 <ibot> 85.00 Euro (EUR) makes 352.310 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/)
May 30 08:38:15 <hrw|work> ~change 280 pln to eur
May 30 08:38:18 <ibot> 280.00 Zloty (PLN) makes 67.5542 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/)
May 30 08:44:06 <mithro> ~change 100 eur to aud
May 30 08:44:09 <ibot> 100.00 Euro (EUR) makes 163.769 Australia Dollar (AUD) (from http://www.xe.com/)
May 30 08:44:54 <chouimat> ~change 100 eur to cad
May 30 08:44:57 <ibot> 100.00 Euro (EUR) makes 156.584 Dollar (CAD) (from http://www.xe.com/)
May 30 08:45:39 <hrw|work> cu
May 30 09:05:39 * koen stabs svn.berlios.de
May 30 09:05:53 * koen hopes it stays dead now
May 30 09:23:33 <reenoo> re
May 30 09:57:48 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3451 10openembedded/packages/jikes/jikes_1.21.bb: jikes is now hosted @ sf.net
May 30 09:59:56 <mickeyl> reenoo_: I've been told sablevm 1.13 needs xtst now. maybe you can check that
May 30 10:01:22 <reenoo_> mickeyl: sablevm-classpath may need that, yeah. will look into that
May 30 10:06:48 <ascent> | Cannot find package task-bootstrap.
May 30 10:06:48 <ascent> | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
May 30 10:07:11 <ascent> http://ascent.student.utwente.nl/~ascent/error is the full log
May 30 10:07:19 <ascent> that's quite at the end of make opie-image I think
May 30 10:09:44 <mickeyl> where's the question? 
May 30 10:09:48 <mickeyl> the ERROR is pretty obvious to me :D
May 30 10:10:10 <mickeyl> | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-qss:
May 30 10:10:10 <mickeyl> | 	 libqte2 (>= 2.3.10)
May 30 10:10:15 <mickeyl> somehow libqte2 didn't build 
May 30 10:10:19 <mickeyl> you need to find out why not
May 30 10:10:19 <ascent> well, taskhmm
May 30 10:10:24 <ascent> ok.. let's see.
May 30 10:10:29 <mickeyl> or maybe it built, but the arch is wrong
May 30 10:10:32 <mickeyl> *shrug*
May 30 10:10:35 <ascent> perhaps.
May 30 10:10:47 <ascent> It didn't rebuild eveything after I changed the machine line
May 30 10:10:53 <mickeyl> stuff like that can happen when you change MACHINE and don't rebuild everything
May 30 10:10:56 <mickeyl> aha, righto
May 30 10:11:06 <mickeyl> better rm -rf tmp
May 30 10:11:19 <mickeyl> you will run into subtle problems otherwise
May 30 10:11:19 <ascent> :)
May 30 10:11:41 <ascent> Ok, let's rebuild
May 30 10:12:38 <ascent> | + ipkg-cl -f /home/ascent/tmp/work/opie-image-1.0-r13/temp/ipkg.conf -o /home/ascent/tmp/rootfs update
May 30 10:12:41 <ascent> | ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': Permission denied
May 30 10:12:48 <ascent> why does it try to access that dir.. Should I build in a chroot or something?
May 30 10:13:03 <mickeyl> you can safely ignore that
May 30 10:15:05 <hrw> re
May 30 10:16:27 <ascent> mickeyl: okay
May 30 10:17:00 <mickeyl> wb hrw
May 30 10:18:29 <hrw> lets see does svn.berlios.de works here
May 30 10:19:10 <hrw> mickeyl: wellenraiter needs s/Resource/OResource/
May 30 10:19:49 <mickeyl> hrw: yeah. i'm letting drw do that :)
May 30 10:19:50 <drw> hrw: I'm working on it...still several apps to go...
May 30 10:20:05 <drw> hope to finish up this week
May 30 10:20:10 <mickeyl> very good
May 30 10:20:12 <hrw> mickeyl: I will also vote for changing font on hex tab...
May 30 10:20:27 <hrw> mickeyl: it looks like /8 for me so unreadable on vga
May 30 10:21:03 <mickeyl> hrw: ya. Same situation as with opie-console et. al. What we really need is to enhance 'appearance' to feature a "fixed font" preference 
May 30 10:21:12 <mickeyl> and then apps take the fixed font out of that
May 30 10:21:14 <mickeyl> voila
May 30 10:21:23 <mickeyl> i hope to do that before opie 1.2.1
May 30 10:21:33 <mickeyl> s/do/have time for/
May 30 10:22:00 <hrw> I have to look how opie-checkbook do smaller font..
May 30 10:24:06 <drw> hrw: just need to provide a font selector and then call setFont for the appropriate widget (or main window) with the one selected and I believe all children widgets should inherit it
May 30 10:26:07 <hrw> CIA-4: added usb gadgets for 2.6 zaurus clamshell (forgot to mention it in commit ;(
May 30 10:27:08 <treke|home> mickeyl: hey. that open source qt for windows almost worked :)
May 30 10:28:03 <hrw> drw:     224     fnt.setPointSize( fnt.pointSize()-1 );
May 30 10:28:49 <drw> ah right, been a while since I have done that...memory doesn't work like it used to ;)
May 30 10:30:12 <hrw> drw: I was thinking about option "use smaller font for..."
May 30 10:30:26 <hrw> hi [cc]smart 
May 30 10:31:09 <drw> hrw: based on the main app font, and scaled n points smaller?
May 30 10:31:30 <hrw> drw: -1 like it is now
May 30 10:31:55 <hrw> drw: normal app font is not checked
May 30 10:33:53 <hrw> mickeyl: do you know that bitbake -f is b0rken?
May 30 10:34:48 <proti> Has anyone got problem with bison ?
May 30 10:35:03 <hrw> proti: remove it from tmp/staging and rebuild
May 30 10:35:17 <proti> hrw: Why ?
May 30 10:35:43 <hrw> problem will resolve it
May 30 10:36:04 <mickeyl> -f ?
May 30 10:36:09 <hrw> mickeyl: force
May 30 10:36:10 <mickeyl> treke-: why nearly ß
May 30 10:36:18 <proti> I meant, what is the nature of the problem ? already logged in bugzilla ?
May 30 10:36:31 <mickeyl> hrw: ah force. shouldn't be broken. i'll take a look
May 30 10:37:00 <hrw> proti: yacc was not working for pcmciautils so we did one change in bison - if not building from scratch then need to remove bison/yacc and rebuild
May 30 10:37:24 <mickeyl> bison/yacc in STAGING_BINDIR, that is
May 30 10:37:31 <pb_> hrw: did you not increment PR for that change?
May 30 10:37:39 <mickeyl> i did increment PR
May 30 10:37:41 <hrw> pb_: it was mickeyl 
May 30 10:37:41 <mickeyl> that doesn't matter though
May 30 10:37:49 <mickeyl> it created a symlink before :D
May 30 10:37:56 <pb_> ah, heh, I see
May 30 10:38:40 <proti> What I saw is that staging/bison never returns it hangs, looping forever. I saw it for modutils-2.4.27.
May 30 10:39:12 <proti> Is this the same problem ?
May 30 10:40:04 <pb_> yeah
May 30 10:40:04 <mickeyl> ya
May 30 10:40:56 <pb_> mickeyl: I think that putting "rm -f ${STAGING_BINDIR}/yacc" at the top of bison's do_stage() would avoid that problem.
May 30 10:41:42 <proti> OK. I was not sure if I did something wrong with bitbake (was testing a patch) or building was broken.
May 30 10:42:26 <proti> This is a workaround. Do you know why bison never finish parsing its .y ?
May 30 10:43:20 <pb_> Because it keeps invoking itself recursively.
May 30 10:43:31 <mickeyl> pb_: yes, that would fix it that particular problem, but I don't think bb receipes should contain statements fixing such rare issues 
May 30 10:43:51 <pb_> mickeyl: I don't think that upgrading from a previous version of the same package really counts as a rare issue.
May 30 10:43:59 <pb_> Everyone who pulls that change will encounter the problem.
May 30 10:44:22 <mickeyl> _if_ certain conditions in STAGING_DIR are met
May 30 10:44:50 <mickeyl> *shrug* ok
May 30 10:44:53 <pb_> the conditions are just "an older version of bison-native is present", aren't they?
May 30 10:45:51 <pb_> if this was some problem that only occurred in truly obscure circumstances, I would agree with you.  But I think it's worth trying to make the normal upgrade path work smoothly.
May 30 10:46:06 <mickeyl> ya
May 30 10:46:58 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3451.1.1 10openembedded/packages/bison/bison-native_2.0.bb: fix for people upgrading from earlier versions with sa populated STAGING_BINDIR
May 30 11:05:59 <hrw> drw: http://home.hrw.one.pl/oe/diffs/0530_opie-checkbook.diff add option (checkbox) to select smaller font
May 30 11:08:20 <hrw> drw: I hope that it is done right (maybe fontsize selection will be better here but I'm sure if it will be good way - too much options)
May 30 11:13:42 <hrw> ~lart udev
May 30 11:13:42 * ibot puts udev into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of udev's hair of
May 30 11:14:27 <hrw> when switched to 2.6.12-rc5 on desktop udev (0.56/debian) does not rename usbX interfaces
May 30 11:16:32 <hrw> pbzip2 - something for SMP users
May 30 11:20:50 <drw> hrw: just glancing at your patch it looks good, but I will try it out here in a little while when I get a chance
May 30 11:21:23 <hrw> drw: ok
May 30 11:23:36 <pb_> mickey|dinner: thanks for adding that fix to bison-native
May 30 11:28:32 <hrw> bye all
May 30 11:43:17 <Pigi> Ciao all
May 30 11:44:47 <Pigi> After cleaning the whole tmp work, I was starting a new gpe build as suggested from koen with DISTRO="familiar-0.9.0" but is ( almost ) semms that everithig has screwed up
May 30 11:45:28 <Pigi> It seems that the a lot of packages depends on library from the tmp/work tree instead of the stage area .
May 30 11:46:03 <Pigi> Is there something I could do to bypass that problem or I should restart from the beginning ?
May 30 11:49:54 <Crofton> Do you follow cycling Pigi ?
May 30 11:50:13 <Pigi> Sorry Crofton, I don't understand.
May 30 11:50:23 <Crofton> bicycle racing?
May 30 11:50:49 <Pigi> not too much then. It makes me feel tired only when I look at :)
May 30 11:51:04 <Crofton> I've been following the race that just finished
May 30 11:51:10 <Crofton> Italy is beautiful
May 30 11:51:22 <Pigi> eheheh It is, sometimes, :)
May 30 11:51:47 * chouimat is away: NAP
May 30 11:51:57 <Crofton> I suspect the camera guys don't show the ugly bits :)
May 30 11:52:52 <Pigi> It's not all gold what's shine, but basically I have the chance to live in a good country. And those race show definitivelly the better side of my country :)
May 30 11:53:34 <Crofton> At least Italians win their national tour :) the french don't seem to do well in theirs
May 30 11:54:00 <Pigi> eheheh. But lot's of american won the italian tour too :)
May 30 11:54:07 <Pigi> AFAIK :)
May 30 11:54:20 <Crofton> One did several years ago
May 30 11:54:51 <Crofton> Most Americans only think there is one race  in Europe and it is in France during July
May 30 11:55:48 <Pigi> heh. Where are you from ?
May 30 11:55:57 <Crofton> Virgina, USA
May 30 11:56:01 <Pigi> ok
May 30 11:56:12 <Crofton> Where are you at?
May 30 11:56:17 <Pigi> milan
May 30 11:57:16 <Crofton> One day I will visit the dolomites
May 30 11:57:20 <Pigi> the tour just finished here, but has been a pain for the traffic. The whole town was blocked.
May 30 11:57:33 <Crofton> I'll bet
May 30 11:57:37 <Pigi> The dolomites are the better mountain in italy for me.
May 30 11:58:19 <Crofton> My italian is limited to the words they use as tv captions to describe the race pictures :)
May 30 11:58:21 <Pigi> My parents have a little house there and when I'm free from work I use to go there. It's really a good place to recharge the energy :)
May 30 11:58:57 <Crofton> I saw some ruins up on a hill with vertical sides
May 30 11:59:32 <Pigi> Lot of little town are exactly as you can see on the tv. Nice places to see 
May 30 12:00:12 <Crofton> I need more money and free time :)
May 30 12:00:39 <Pigi> I know the feeling :)
May 30 12:02:18 <Crofton> And I need to make this CORBA application shutdown cleanly!
May 30 12:17:00 <koen> hail ueberhacker zecke! 
May 30 12:17:06 <zecke> hey
May 30 12:17:31 <zecke> nice to be welcomed like that ;)
May 30 12:17:54 <koen> zecke: I got my dual opteron buildbox back
May 30 12:18:03 <Hertog> either that, or he wants something of you ;)
May 30 12:18:07 <koen> so I can install any tinderstuff you want
May 30 12:18:56 <zecke> koen: one script for the client is missing
May 30 12:19:34 * zecke needs to write france now
May 30 12:20:11 <zecke> koen: my next plan is to use UserModeLinux + CopyOnWrite to do autobuilding
May 30 12:20:30 <koen> sounds cool
May 30 12:21:54 <keturn> So, I have a patch.  Does that mean I'm supposed to learn quilt?
May 30 12:22:32 <koen> probably not
May 30 12:22:44 <koen> I patch loads of stuff and never used quilt or patcher
May 30 12:26:04 * chouimat is back.
May 30 12:27:29 <keturn> me neither.  okay, good.  that's one less tangent to get distracted by.
May 30 12:30:12 <pb_> hi zecke 
May 30 12:30:21 <pb_> hi Pigi
May 30 12:30:25 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl * r233 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: 
May 30 12:30:26 <CIA-4> add ; as command seperator
May 30 12:30:26 <CIA-4> unify error messages
May 30 12:30:26 <CIA-4> add new <directory> <bbfile> command
May 30 12:30:28 <Pigi> hi pb_ 
May 30 12:31:14 <koen> hmmm
May 30 12:31:26 <koen> looks like berlios is only allowing germans
May 30 12:32:15 <Pigi> Did someone know why the gpe-image build search for libs in tmp/work instead on the stage area ?
May 30 12:32:24 * koen blames libtool
May 30 12:33:02 <koen> and I suspect it isn't gpe-image's fault
May 30 12:33:32 <pb_> oe isn't handling either libtool or pkgconfig quite right.  I forget which one, offhand, probably libtool.
May 30 12:34:02 <pb_> I think it shows up mostly in gpe-image because gtk and all its friends use libtool and pkgconfig heavily, whereas opie (for example) doesn't.
May 30 12:34:11 <Pigi> me too, but I 've removed the whole tmp/work, and now can't continue on build. Should I remove everything and restart from beginning ?
May 30 12:34:21 <Pigi> ( this was for koen :) )
May 30 12:34:25 <pb_> yeah, that is your only option really
May 30 12:34:40 <pb_> if you removed tmp/work, you will have deleted some of the files that are required/
May 30 12:35:02 <Pigi> isn't the tmp/work only a "work" area  ?
May 30 12:35:22 <Pigi> wasn't supposed to be removed also from the rm_work option ?
May 30 12:36:45 <koen> Pigi: does ipkg have a force-downgrade option?
May 30 12:36:56 <zecke> proti: ping
May 30 12:37:16 <zecke> proti: I try not to take features away(preferred vs. latest)
May 30 12:37:30 <zecke> proti: and if you remove code don't comment it out
May 30 12:37:38 <zecke> proti: we use some kind of SCM to save history
May 30 12:38:23 <Pigi> not directly iirc, but maybe with some options as force-reinstall or force-overwrite.....
May 30 12:40:29 <koen> nope
May 30 12:40:40 <koen> 'vi /usr/lib/ipkg/status'
May 30 12:41:02 <koen> that's the only (annoying) way
May 30 12:41:43 <koen> especially if I want to install foo_0.0cvs20050530 over foo_6.5
May 30 12:42:14 <Pigi> If you file an enh request in bugzilla I will give a look at it. It wouldn't be so hard.
May 30 12:42:48 <Pigi> Also if I suspect that some problems could arise on dependency :)
May 30 12:46:13 <Pigi> I ill give a look at it as soon as I'm able to complete a gpe image :)
May 30 12:51:27 <Pigi> thx koen|tv :)
May 30 13:16:33 <Spyro> RP: you here?
May 30 13:22:42 <zecke> mickey|dinner: http://rlove.org/talks/rml_guadec_2005.sxi slide 22
May 30 13:25:35 <koen> is there a non OOO way of viewing those?
May 30 13:26:00 <koen> (ooo stuff annoys me as much as .docs)
May 30 13:26:14 <zecke> koen: ppt
May 30 13:26:27 <koen> and .ppt
May 30 13:26:35 <zecke> nope
May 30 13:27:15 <koen> ah wait
May 30 13:27:20 <koen> I have ppt on osx
May 30 13:28:35 <zecke> koen: "Stop Polling and Start Living"
May 30 13:28:41 <koen> :)
May 30 13:29:22 <zecke> if C wouldn't suck sooo much for modern graphical applications...
May 30 13:30:40 <koen> "seeks make the kernel cry"
May 30 13:31:08 <treke|home> perhaps c isn't the problem and modern toolkits just suck :)
May 30 13:32:06 <zecke> treke|home: modern c based toolkits ;)
May 30 13:32:48 <zecke> but then I don't like GObject Mono wrappings either
May 30 13:36:29 <Pigi> koen, it seems that wouldn't be too hard to accomplish thet new flag.....
May 30 13:36:37 <Pigi> s/thet/that
May 30 13:36:38 <koen> Pigi: cool
May 30 13:39:40 * koen shakes svn.berlios.de
May 30 13:39:45 <koen> wake up!
May 30 13:40:06 <zecke> koen: hehe, it is hosted by First/Fokus...
May 30 13:40:14 <zecke> probably as evil as M$ or sf.net
May 30 13:42:52 <keturn> why does 'bk changes -L' show all these "Merge" entries?  merging with the parent is a change that would be pushed to the parent?
May 30 13:44:05 <pb_> yeah, it seems.  bk sucks a bit like that.
May 30 13:47:28 <Pigi> time to sleep.
May 30 13:47:31 <Pigi> Nite all
May 30 13:48:28 * koen crosses fingers for remote reboot
May 30 13:50:25 <koen> ok, murphy entered the room
May 30 13:53:24 <koen> ah, it's up again
May 30 13:54:02 <hrw|tv> keturn: bk changes -m -L
May 30 13:54:17 <hrw|tv>        -m            Do not show any merge changesets, empty or not.
May 30 13:54:41 <keturn> hrw|tv: thank you
May 30 13:54:46 <zecke> hrw|tv: how to proceed with knights, kdepimpi, microlibs?
May 30 13:54:55 <hrw|tv> keturn: bk help command
May 30 13:54:58 <hrw|tv> zecke: resolved
May 30 13:55:03 <zecke> hrw|tv: is microlibs a library and is it shared?
May 30 13:55:20 <hrw|tv> zecke: too many misc versions rather
May 30 13:55:49 <zecke> how many such apps are actively maintained?
May 30 13:55:54 <hrw|tv> zecke: iirc knights link it static, kdepimpi share
May 30 13:56:08 <hrw|tv> zecke: I know knights and kdepimpi
May 30 13:56:25 <hrw|tv> zecke: and dont want to work with any of them ;)
May 30 14:00:44 <zecke> hrw|tv: what was your solution?
May 30 14:01:05 <hrw|tv> change staging of kdepimpi so knights dont use it
May 30 14:01:36 <hrw|tv> zecke: changeset 1.3449
May 30 14:02:36 <zecke> my tinderbox didn't show that (just kidding)
May 30 14:02:59 <zecke> yet
May 30 14:12:35 <koen> 'night all
May 30 14:13:18 <zecke> ~hail koen|sleep 
May 30 14:13:19 * ibot bows down to koen|sleep and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
May 30 14:14:20 <pb_> heh
May 30 14:14:22 <mickeyl> zecke: hi
May 30 14:14:29 <mickeyl> zecke: yeah, nice talk
May 30 14:15:55 <mickeyl> like i said, kexec and inotify are the future 
May 30 14:16:02 <mickeyl> kevent even
May 30 14:16:09 <mickeyl> (although kexec is nice as well ;)
May 30 14:16:10 <hrw|tv> what talk?
May 30 14:16:19 <mickeyl> http://rlove.org/talks/rml_guadec_2005.sxi
May 30 14:17:08 <hrw|tv> Robert M. Love?
May 30 14:17:32 <mickeyl> yeah
May 30 14:17:43 <reenoo_> http://stream.fluendo.com/archive/6uadec/Robert_Love_-_Optimizing_GNOME.ogg
May 30 14:18:12 <reenoo_> don't bother downloading it. it's slashdotted...
May 30 14:18:15 <mickeyl> is that audio or audio+video? 
May 30 14:18:16 <mickeyl> ah, ok
May 30 14:18:22 <reenoo_> audio+video
May 30 14:18:36 <zecke> mickeyl: only if you've a theora video codec I guess
May 30 14:18:50 * zecke thinks we need OUADEC as well
May 30 14:19:20 <mickeyl> we need _any_ kind of gathering
May 30 14:19:23 <mickeyl> no matter what and how
May 30 14:20:03 <reenoo_> we could talk to joey if we can hijack the kernel dev meeting in Oldenburg
May 30 14:20:52 <zecke> reenoo_: is it this year again?
May 30 14:21:12 <reenoo_> yeah, the last week in september
May 30 14:22:21 <reenoo_> http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200504211710
May 30 14:22:53 <hrw|tv> where?
May 30 14:22:55 <pb_> mickeyl: I think George was planning another handhelds get-together sometime in the autumn.
May 30 14:23:40 <mickeyl> pb_: that sounds good. what places are in discussion?
May 30 14:23:49 <zecke> pb_: In Cambridge US? Flights are quite expensive :}
May 30 14:24:00 <pb_> mickeyl: probably at CRL again
May 30 14:26:47 <hrw|tv> nice presentation indeed
May 30 14:27:10 <hrw|tv> ogg is fetching at 115KB/s (full bandwidth)
May 30 14:27:24 <pb_> zecke: ah, hm.  it doesn't cost too much to fly there from London, but maybe from Berlin things are not so good.
May 30 14:27:36 <Spyro> hi gusy
May 30 14:27:38 <Spyro> guys
May 30 14:27:47 <zecke> pb_: Remember I'm really poor
May 30 14:28:04 <Spyro> Id like to met you guys but I cant afford to fly to the US.
May 30 14:28:05 <pb_> zecke: you should ask ROAD for a raise
May 30 14:28:20 <reenoo_> pb_: how much would that be?
May 30 14:28:40 <zecke> good idea
May 30 14:28:47 <pb_> reenoo_: 250 euros or so, at a guess.
May 30 14:29:15 <reenoo_> pb_: I see
May 30 14:29:34 <reenoo_> zecke: you should ask ROAD to fund that trip ;)
May 30 14:29:50 <Spyro> RP: hello ?
May 30 14:30:00 <zecke> reenoo_: good idea
May 30 14:30:02 <pb_> ah, good idea.  then you could call it a road trip.
May 30 14:30:14 * reenoo_ rotfl
May 30 14:30:43 <hrw> ;))
May 30 14:31:03 <zecke> but we could meet in Poland or the Czech Republic as well?
May 30 14:32:15 <hrw> zecke: Posen?
May 30 14:34:38 <pb_> mickeyl, zecke: alternatively, if the idea of being fingerprinted by the US doesn't appeal, I'm sure we could arrange something closer to home, maybe in conjunction with CELF.
May 30 14:35:19 <zecke> pb_: ah the US alread fingerprinted me for the California Driving License
May 30 14:35:23 <mickeyl> ya, that'd be nice. it's tough for me to get some money raised as well
May 30 14:36:17 <pb_> the advantage of piggybacking onto a CELF event is that we can probably talk them into paying for your travel.
May 30 14:36:33 <Spyro> anyone know whats up with the berlios servers? I cant svn up on bitbake :(
May 30 14:36:35 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3454 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-inotify, python bindings to the linux 2.6 inotify interface
May 30 14:36:59 <pb_> Spyro: apparently they are only accepting connections from germans at the moment
May 30 14:37:08 <hrw> I did update from home
May 30 14:37:09 <Spyro> oh
May 30 14:37:23 <Spyro> ay idea why?
May 30 14:37:30 <zecke> Spyro: I just did a checkout
May 30 14:37:31 <hrw> but I live in that part which was .de years ago..
May 30 14:37:33 <pb_> I assumed it was some plan by zecke and mickey
May 30 14:37:37 <mickeyl> hah
May 30 14:37:38 <mickeyl> :)
May 30 14:37:41 <proti> zecke: pong
May 30 14:38:02 <zecke> hrw: probably .3rdr...
May 30 14:38:02 <Spyro> zecke: I cant do an up
May 30 14:38:35 <pb_> hrw: heh
May 30 14:39:16 <hrw> 23:38:43 (111.41 KB/s) - `Robert_Love_-_Optimizing_GNOME.ogg' saved [132532522/132532522]
May 30 14:39:38 <mickeyl> http://www.vanille.de/temp/bitbake-r233.tar.bz2
May 30 14:39:40 <mickeyl> if in need
May 30 14:39:55 <Spyro> mickeyl: cheers
May 30 14:40:16 <proti> zecke: What was your point ? I don't understand.
May 30 14:40:31 <mickeyl> as the shell now starts to be finally working and usable, i need to write a small manual up
May 30 14:40:39 <pb_> excellent
May 30 14:40:46 <mickeyl> i will send something to the ml this week
May 30 14:41:07 <Spyro> mickeyl: any idea when -b will be fixed ?
May 30 14:41:18 <mickeyl> Spyro: in how far?
May 30 14:41:21 <pb_> what's wrong with -b?
May 30 14:41:22 <zecke> Spyro: the day before it broke?
May 30 14:41:29 <hrw> Spyro: -b works for me.. -f does not
May 30 14:41:31 <Spyro> bash-2.05b$ bitbake -b openembedded/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6cvs.bb
May 30 14:41:31 <Spyro> ERROR: Unable to open openembedded/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-utils-native_1.6cvs.bb
May 30 14:41:49 <pb_> well, that seems fairly self explanatory
May 30 14:41:59 <Spyro> except the file is present and readable
May 30 14:42:18 <mickeyl> Spyro: try giving an absolute path 
May 30 14:42:31 <mickeyl> i noticed relative paths broke
May 30 14:42:34 <mickeyl> pretty recently
May 30 14:42:43 <Spyro> thats just evil :/
May 30 14:42:46 <mickeyl> which means i'm very likely guilty 
May 30 14:42:47 <zecke> pb_: where is the next CELF meeting taking place?
May 30 14:42:48 <Spyro> thanks mickeyl
May 30 14:43:01 <pb_> zecke: I'm not sure.  I'll try to find out.
May 30 14:43:55 <hrw> mickeyl: for me it works with relative path (../../openembedded/packages/knights/knights_1.12.bb for example)
May 30 14:44:17 * zecke just used relative paths as well
May 30 14:44:28 <mickeyl> ../../somewhere.bb breaks for me 
May 30 14:44:31 <mickeyl> with bb's using patches
May 30 14:44:40 <mickeyl> it doesn't compute the FILESDIR right in that case
May 30 14:44:44 <mickeyl> need to look into that
May 30 14:44:50 <Spyro> hm.
May 30 14:44:57 <Spyro> it fell over again.
May 30 14:45:10 <hrw> mickeyl: a.. patches... yes.. its fucked
May 30 14:45:28 <hrw> and RobertLove.ogg is audio/video with theora
May 30 14:45:32 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl * r234 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: fix stupid typo. this repairs bitbake -f
May 30 14:45:51 * mickeyl grumbles about unit tests for bitbake
May 30 14:45:53 <zecke> ~lart m****
May 30 14:45:53 * ibot keeps mailing m**** free America Online CDs until he drowns
May 30 14:46:18 <Spyro> NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050529-r3: task do_fetch: started
May 30 14:46:18 <Spyro> NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050529-r3: task do_fetch: completed
May 30 14:46:18 <Spyro> NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050529-r3: task do_unpack: started
May 30 14:46:18 <Spyro> NOTE: Unpacking /home/ian/Download/bbsources/config_savannah.gnu.org__20050529.tar.gz to /home/ian/projects/openembedded/stuff/tmp/work/gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050529-r3/
May 30 14:46:18 <Spyro> tar: /home/ian/Download/bbsources/config_savannah.gnu.org__20050529.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
May 30 14:46:56 <Spyro> it appears not to be bothering to download the sources
May 30 14:47:35 <mickeyl> mmh can't reproduce that one
May 30 14:47:56 <Spyro> hm. it appears that if I use -b with an absolute path it works
May 30 14:48:00 <Spyro> so basically
May 30 14:48:01 <mickeyl> good
May 30 14:48:06 <mickeyl> then i know where to look
May 30 14:48:13 <hrw> btw - does amount of XVideo ports depends on x11 driver or on x11 itself?
May 30 14:48:13 <Spyro> bitbake task-bootstrap is falling over every single package in turn
May 30 14:48:36 <hrw> I did opie-checkbook build today with relative path 
May 30 14:48:49 <Spyro> if I do bitbake -b /path/to/bb/file for the package it fell over it works then falls over the next one
May 30 14:49:13 <mickeyl> well, you shouldn't really use -b so often
May 30 14:49:21 <mickeyl> you know that it doesn't honor dependencies right?
May 30 14:49:36 <Spyro> mickeyl: I was starting from completely fresh with task-bootstrap
May 30 14:49:48 <Spyro> but every package it tries to build it fails to download or unpack
May 30 14:50:16 <mickeyl> that's very odd. sounds not directly like a bitbake failure
May 30 14:50:17 <Spyro> if I do them manually with -b then rerun task-bootstrap it gets one package further and then dies
May 30 14:50:30 <Spyro> well an earlier version was working just fine :/
May 30 14:50:47 <Spyro> (wish I knew *which* version...)
May 30 14:51:20 <jbowler-away> pb_ I don't think it's anything European with svn.berlios.de - I get 'connection refused' for an anonymous (svn:) checkout but it works fine with ssh (svn+ssh:) on the same repo.
May 30 14:52:36 <hrw> question - how long was rml speech? 216m (3h36m)?
May 30 14:52:52 <mickeyl> Spyro: can you download vanille.de/temp/bitbake and check if that fixes your relative paths ?
May 30 14:53:11 <reenoo_> hrw: about an hour
May 30 14:53:21 <hrw> reenoo_: thx
May 30 14:53:33 * mickeyl rm -rf tmp && bitbake task-bootstrap
May 30 14:53:41 <hrw> btw - I just svn up to r234
May 30 14:53:56 <Spyro> mickeyl: I did (r233)
May 30 14:54:07 <mickeyl> Spyro: no, this time i mean the binary that sits there
May 30 14:54:10 <pb_> jbowler-away: aha.
May 30 14:54:12 <mickeyl> s/binary/bitbake/
May 30 14:55:07 <Spyro> mickeyl: seems to...
May 30 14:55:17 <mickeyl> good
May 30 14:55:31 <pb_> jbowler-away: ah yes, svn+ssh works for me too
May 30 14:55:33 <mickeyl> then we just have to find out why task-bootstrap is going so painfully wrong at your end
May 30 14:55:41 <Spyro> mickeyl: it REALLY fscked bitbake task-bootstrap though
May 30 14:56:02 <Spyro> bash-2.05b$ bitbake task-bootstrap Traceback (most recent call last):
May 30 14:56:02 <Spyro>   File "/home/ian/projects/openembedded/stuff/bitbake/bin/bitbake", line 767, in ?
May 30 14:56:02 <Spyro>     cooker.cook( args[1:] )
May 30 14:56:02 <Spyro>   File "/home/ian/projects/openembedded/stuff/bitbake/bin/bitbake", line 623, in cook
May 30 14:56:02 <Spyro>     bf = os.path.abspath( make.options.buildfile )
May 30 14:56:02 <Spyro>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/posixpath.py", line 403, in abspath
May 30 14:56:04 <Spyro>     if not isabs(path):
May 30 14:56:06 <Spyro>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/posixpath.py", line 49, in isabs
May 30 14:56:08 <Spyro>     return s.startswith('/')
May 30 14:56:10 <Spyro> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith'
May 30 14:56:48 <mickeyl> ah that may not be the final fix then :D
May 30 14:56:54 <mickeyl> let me try something different
May 30 14:57:33 <jbowler-away> pb_: it's not just bitbake, I noticed it on the SVN repo for openslug.  web access is still fine.
May 30 14:57:56 <zecke> mickeyl: hehe
May 30 14:58:12 <zecke> mickeyl: how does protis patch relate to your work?
May 30 14:58:28 <mickeyl> zecke: not at all. why do you ask?
May 30 14:58:50 <proti> I think it is the problem I had.
May 30 14:59:13 <zecke> mickeyl: You complained about the duplication of code now there is something
May 30 14:59:30 <zecke> mickeyl: but see my comments earlier tonite about it
May 30 14:59:54 <mickeyl> yeah, I've read that parts. i already had a version of findBestProvider that always returns pref_f, pref_v, latest_f, latest_v
May 30 15:00:02 <mickeyl> but had some odd problems with it so i had to revert that in my tree
May 30 15:00:17 <mickeyl> didn't try proti's approach yet
May 30 15:01:13 <proti> mickeyl: I followed the same path. Look at my mail on bitbake-dev ml.
May 30 15:01:53 <mickeyl> Spyro: try the latest version (same place)
May 30 15:03:39 <mickeyl> fwiw, i still don't understand a couple of parts in bitbake and i refrain from touching them until i do :)
May 30 15:04:40 <Spyro> mickeyl: just the binary again ?
May 30 15:04:45 <mickeyl> yeah
May 30 15:04:52 <mickeyl> (it's a python file, but anyway ;))
May 30 15:05:10 <Spyro> well, its up and running
May 30 15:05:14 <Spyro> mickeyl: yeah I know :)
May 30 15:05:20 <Spyro> 'executable' ;-)
May 30 15:05:25 <mickeyl> righto :)
May 30 15:06:49 <Spyro> still appears to be failing to download things but at least it didnt die horribly :)
May 30 15:06:59 <mickeyl> i can't reproduce that
May 30 15:07:05 <zecke> yeah gdb bashing
May 30 15:07:10 <Spyro> is there some cache I have to delete when updating bitbake or something ?
May 30 15:07:10 <mickeyl> can you try from scratch? 
May 30 15:07:18 <mickeyl> at least rm -rf tmp/cache
May 30 15:07:22 <zecke> Spyro: tmp/cache
May 30 15:07:27 <mickeyl> but maybe your stamps are also corrupt, so
May 30 15:07:30 <mickeyl> rm -rf tmp/stamps
May 30 15:07:30 <Spyro> Hm. I nukes all of /tmp...
May 30 15:07:38 <mickeyl> yeah, that's probably best
May 30 15:07:56 <mickeyl> a task bootstrap seems to behave here
May 30 15:08:00 <Spyro> ok, rerunning
May 30 15:08:14 <Spyro> is it possble to make it use temp ?
May 30 15:08:21 <mickeyl> sure
May 30 15:08:26 <Spyro> I keep deleting the contents of my /tmp from habit...
May 30 15:08:41 <zecke> TMPDIR = "${TOPDIR}/temp" in your conf/local.conf
May 30 15:08:44 <mickeyl> Spyro: have a look at bitbake.conf
May 30 15:08:47 <Spyro> nice :)
May 30 15:08:49 <zecke> probably not TOPDIR...
May 30 15:08:54 <mickeyl> there are a lot of interesting variables to change
May 30 15:09:38 * pb_ zzz
May 30 15:09:39 <pb_> night night
May 30 15:09:40 <reenoo_> zecke: well, gdb _is_ broken with every other release. currently, it's doing its "function names and line numbers don't match" thing again here
May 30 15:09:44 <hrw> n8 pb
May 30 15:09:44 <Spyro> night pb_
May 30 15:09:45 <reenoo_> 'night pb_ 
May 30 15:09:59 <proti> night people
May 30 15:10:04 <zecke> reenoo_: it dropped c++ support long time ago...
May 30 15:10:12 <CIA-4> 03mickeyl * r235 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: 
May 30 15:10:12 <CIA-4> calculate absolute path when parsing a bitbake file. this fixes -b with
May 30 15:10:12 <CIA-4> relative paths
May 30 15:10:14 <mickeyl> g'night proti
May 30 15:10:21 <zecke> you can not break in c'tors and you're lucky if it finds your symbol...
May 30 15:11:13 <Spyro> *snore* handling bitbake files...
May 30 15:11:17 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 15:11:20 <Spyro> isnt it possible to get it to precompile them or something? :)
May 30 15:11:20 <reenoo_> zecke: well, this is with plain old C
May 30 15:11:27 <mickeyl> ibot: pester RP to integrate bbc
May 30 15:11:28 <ibot> RP to integrate bbc: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?  see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf
May 30 15:11:39 <mickeyl> Spyro: we're working on integrateing a C parser
May 30 15:11:46 <mickeyl> parse written in C rather
May 30 15:11:46 <Spyro> nice
May 30 15:11:47 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 15:11:49 <zecke> do we've a link to bbc?
May 30 15:11:53 <mickeyl> ~bbc
May 30 15:11:54 <ibot> hmm... bbc is the linuxcare bootable business card distro -- 47 megs, fits on a credit-card sized CD, has X and can install debian! http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/  The British Broadcasting Corporation (http://www.bbc.co.uk)  A primitive microcomputer (http://www.viewtronix.easynet.co.uk/beeb/bbc.htm)  The Boston Buyer's Club (http://www.vitatime.com/)
May 30 15:11:58 <mickeyl> ups
May 30 15:12:03 <Spyro> ok its building quilt
May 30 15:12:08 <reenoo_> ~bbcp
May 30 15:12:08 <zecke> I would like to look at the defined grammar
May 30 15:12:11 <mickeyl> ah right
May 30 15:12:13 <Spyro> ipkg utils
May 30 15:12:17 <Spyro> m4...
May 30 15:12:23 <Spyro> hrm. I guess tis fixed...
May 30 15:12:27 * reenoo_ eyes at ibot
May 30 15:12:44 <Spyro> I *SWEAR* I deleted tmp/* prior to asking questions... honest
May 30 15:12:48 <mickeyl> Spyro: hehe
May 30 15:12:59 <mickeyl> write it down. always try from scratch :)
May 30 15:13:06 <Spyro> heh
May 30 15:13:53 <mickeyl> sometimes the logics can break when you interrupt during downloading or so. in that case it helps to bitbake -c clean <whereitbroke> and bitbake <whatever> again
May 30 15:14:12 <mickeyl> the clean deletes the stamps, so it really redoes all the tasks
May 30 15:14:15 <hrw> ;)) that reminds me one sheet of paper which lays under lcd panel at work... something about EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST and nitpicking ;)
May 30 15:14:23 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 15:14:31 <mickeyl> EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST are gold
May 30 15:14:40 <mickeyl> better than patching every other sucky .pro file
May 30 15:16:14 <hrw> I remember
May 30 15:16:55 <hrw> it was opie-taskbar when zecke fixed caps/numlock status icons
May 30 15:17:42 <mickeyl> hmm d'oh. i didn't notice that the kernel event subsystem actually was merged in mainline in 2.6.10
May 30 15:17:50 <mickeyl> are any subsystems using it already ?
May 30 15:18:37 <hrw> I have to look at apps one day... way too much php working..
May 30 15:18:56 <zecke> mickeyl: block layer
May 30 15:19:15 <zecke> mickeyl: foo mounted...
May 30 15:19:29 <mickeyl> zecke: ah very cool. we would need that for networking, battery, and some more
May 30 15:19:42 <zecke> mickeyl: networking has it too
May 30 15:19:55 <zecke> mickeyl: but kobject/hotplug and kevent look really close
May 30 15:19:55 <mickeyl> excellent
May 30 15:20:15 <zecke> mickeyl: I wait for them to be merged... (there was a lwn.net article as well)
May 30 15:20:55 <mickeyl> there's so much going on in 2.6
May 30 15:21:06 <mickeyl> feels like 2.7
May 30 15:21:28 <treke|home> isn't that because they decided against doing a 2.7 any time soon?
May 30 15:21:44 <mickeyl> treke-: i think so
May 30 15:23:09 <jumpkick> Is there a tarball containing the specific toolchain containing gcc 2.95.3  I should use to resolve http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29
May 30 15:23:27 <jumpkick> I didn't see any mention of it in http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted
May 30 15:23:44 <mickeyl> jumpkick: read ZaurusKernels 
May 30 15:23:48 <hrw> ~zauruskernels
May 30 15:23:50 <ibot> i heard zauruskernels is By default Zaurus use 2.4.18 and you need GCC 2.95.3 to compile them - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels There is also work on 2.6: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26
May 30 15:23:58 <jumpkick> Cool thx
May 30 15:24:01 <mickeyl> ibot: forget zauruskernels
May 30 15:24:02 <ibot> i forgot zauruskernels, mickeyl
May 30 15:24:13 <mickeyl> ibot: zauruskernels is By default Zaurus use 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 and you need GCC 2.95.3 to compile them - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels There is also work on 2.6: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26
May 30 15:24:14 <ibot> okay, mickeyl
May 30 15:24:58 <mickeyl> that particular bug report deals about uclibc though
May 30 15:25:04 <mickeyl> which means you also need to rename the gcc and the ld
May 30 15:25:11 <mickeyl> to something like arm-linux-uclibc-gcc
May 30 15:25:18 <mickeyl> respectively arm-linux-uclibc-ld
May 30 15:25:39 <mickeyl> (don't forget the version numbers)
May 30 15:25:44 <mickeyl> -2.95 / 2.11.2
May 30 15:27:00 <hrw> ~bbcow
May 30 15:27:01 <ibot> i heard bbcow is couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. Now it is obsolete - use bitbake 1.3.0 or trunk
May 30 15:29:35 <jacques> berlios svn checkout returning connection refused - anyone know if they changed something or another way to get latest bitbake?
May 30 15:30:51 <jumpkick> mickeyl: got the same error message...  so I searched around and saw I needed to set ASSUME_PROVIDED = "virtual/arm-linux-gcc-2.95"...  not too sure about uclibc stuff... just trying to get a vanilla build going (that normal libc?)
May 30 15:30:55 <hrw> jacques: it depend on luck
May 30 15:31:24 <mickeyl> jumpkick: ASSUME_PROVIDED you need to set in any case you want to build an ancient ZaurusKernel. read also conf/local.conf.sample
May 30 15:31:32 <mickeyl> jacques: www.vanille.de/temp/bb/
May 30 15:31:53 <reenoo_> 11:53PM <jbowler-away> pb_ I don't think it's anything European with
May 30 15:31:53 <reenoo_>           svn.berlios.de - I get 'connection refused' for an anonymous (svn:)
May 30 15:31:53 <reenoo_>           checkout but it works fine with ssh (svn+ssh:) on the same repo.
May 30 15:32:11 <jacques> mickeyl, thanks
May 30 15:32:37 <jacques> reenoo_, yeah I noticed that ssh and http are still up, but I forgot how to do a ssh+svn checkout
May 30 15:33:10 <jacques> right now I'm having other problems - bk being a bastage
May 30 15:33:48 <reenoo_> jacques: 'svn info' should give you the repo url. 'svn switch' allows you to change it
May 30 15:34:11 <jacques> reenoo_, nice!
May 30 15:34:18 <jacques> I knew about info but not switch
May 30 15:34:37 <hrw>                      http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29
May 30 15:34:39 <zecke> mickeyl: did you ever see ${OPIE-VERSION} vs. ${OPIE_VERSION}?
May 30 15:34:39 <hrw> ops
May 30 15:34:44 <jbowler-away> The svn+ssh repo path and the svn repo path seem to be different.
May 30 15:34:53 <mickeyl> zecke: no. OPIE-VERSION is wrong
May 30 15:35:01 <hrw> mickeyl: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11967&pid=82161&st=40&#entry82161 - could you look at 2 last posts?
May 30 15:35:02 <zecke> jbowler-away: yes
May 30 15:35:03 <mickeyl> do we use that somewhere ß
May 30 15:35:04 <mickeyl> ?
May 30 15:35:22 <zecke> mickeyl: yes it is wrong, but OPIE-VERSION is nowhere declared/defined :}
May 30 15:35:28 <jacques> jbowler-away, d`oh
May 30 15:35:57 <jbowler-away> See here for the paths: http://developer.berlios.de/svn/?group_id=2701
May 30 15:36:00 <zecke> mickeyl: it must be some bug with unpickling something
May 30 15:36:46 <mickeyl> hrw: yeah i've read that, however i'm not sure where things go wrong there. our orinoco-modules have the monitor mode patch - they had 'em forever.
May 30 15:37:08 <mickeyl> zecke: that'd be nasty :/
May 30 15:37:11 <hrw> mickeyl: I have absolutely no idea
May 30 15:37:12 <reenoo_> jbowler-away: ah. thanks for the info. berlios.de happens to just work for me, so I haven't actually tried that
May 30 15:37:31 <mickeyl> hrw: you could build orinoco 0.15rc1 - they work with 2.6 now
May 30 15:37:33 <zecke> kergoth: ping?
May 30 15:37:35 <mickeyl> and are much better than 0.13
May 30 15:37:51 <zecke> mickeyl: what was the issue with 0.15rc?
May 30 15:38:14 <mickeyl> zecke: 0.15rc doesn't work on 2.4.18 and doesn't work on 2.6.x, x being <= 10 or 8 or so
May 30 15:38:30 <mickeyl> it compiles, but it emits a shitload of BAP errors on 2.4.embedix
May 30 15:38:37 <mickeyl> so basically unusable
May 30 15:38:39 <mickeyl> 80% packet drop
May 30 15:38:40 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 15:39:10 <mickeyl> it works fine on 2.6.11 
May 30 15:39:14 <mickeyl> not at all on 2.6.12 
May 30 15:39:16 <mickeyl> heh
May 30 15:39:26 <mickeyl> the firmware doesn't get loaded on 2.6.12
May 30 15:39:27 <zecke> mickeyl: I thought you found the reason?
May 30 15:39:48 <mickeyl> no, the fact that it doesn't work on 2.6.12 is a new issue
May 30 15:40:14 <mickeyl> since they're completely revamping pcmcia in 2.6.12-mm it's no wonder
May 30 15:40:20 <mickeyl> needs some time to settle down
May 30 15:40:41 <jacques> completely revamping pcmcia? ouch
May 30 15:40:46 <zecke> mickeyl: got some more minutes to spare?
May 30 15:40:55 <mickeyl> zecke: a couple. bed time nears
May 30 15:42:03 <zecke> mickeyl: mine as well, but I'm still downloading gnoppix...
May 30 15:42:31 <zecke> mickeyl: I've been thinking of tracking regressions on packaging
May 30 15:43:00 <zecke> mickeyl: if a package was built for one setup, we could put it into a 'known' good OZ Y.X.Z archive
May 30 15:43:13 <zecke> mickeyl: content and scripts, depends are extracted
May 30 15:43:33 <zecke> mickeyl: ldd and file for each library, executable executed and the result will be recorded
May 30 15:44:03 <zecke> this is the so called 'baseline' of a package for a distribution
May 30 15:44:20 <zecke> on next builds we could compare the results and error out when the result differs
May 30 15:44:39 <zecke> would that be of any use? do we've a lot of regression on packaging?
May 30 15:44:56 <mickeyl> i understand. this is a nice idea. we don't have a lot, but we have some regressions for packaging. 
May 30 15:45:04 <mickeyl> most of 'em probably unnoticed
May 30 15:45:04 <jacques> how do I recover from this: BitKeeper requires a fully qualified hostname., Consistency check failed, repository left locked.
May 30 15:45:15 <jacques> (I fixewd the hostname)
May 30 15:45:19 <zecke> jacques: man hostname
May 30 15:45:23 <mickeyl> jacques: do what it tolds you. use hostname and domainname
May 30 15:45:23 <zecke> jacques: bk resolve?
May 30 15:45:27 <zecke> jacques: bk repair?
May 30 15:45:50 <jacques> looks like resolve is working
May 30 15:46:05 <zecke> mickeyl: or is that i18n_rev("Mit Kanonen auf Spatzchen schiessen?")
May 30 15:46:06 <mickeyl> zecke: something like this could be implemented without touching the bb core. just with an additional class or some package_ipk enhancements
May 30 15:46:14 <jacques> uh nope
May 30 15:46:37 <mickeyl> zecke: no, i think that would be really helpful. in fact we would probably start to recognize errors we wouldn't have spot before
May 30 15:46:41 <zecke> mickeyl: right. At one point we would do a make world
May 30 15:46:50 <jacques> repair didn't work either
May 30 15:47:01 <jacques> sometimes I hate bk
May 30 15:47:01 <zecke> mickeyl: and then you as the Release Dude of OZ would piple deploy/ipk/* through the extractor
May 30 15:47:25 <zecke> mickeyl: and we could put the results somewhere, no with regression tests we could compare new builds
May 30 15:48:14 <mickeyl> yep, exactly that.
May 30 15:48:41 <mickeyl> it would not only be helpful for discovering possible bugs but perhaps also help to write changelogs :)
May 30 15:49:12 <zecke> that sounds like a perfect job for spyce and python generally
May 30 15:49:56 <mickeyl> *nod*
May 30 15:52:14 <zecke> mickeyl: do you think you could run daily OZ builds on a machine?
May 30 15:52:23 <zecke> mickeyl: you would just need to upload the logs
May 30 15:52:58 <mickeyl> if that doesn't need manual attention, yes
May 30 15:53:09 <mickeyl> not more than one image for one machine though
May 30 15:53:23 <zecke> mickeyl: daily or more than once a day?
May 30 15:53:57 <mickeyl> dunno exactly. it depends on the workload of our workgroup server (which happens to be my build machine as well :D)
May 30 15:54:21 <zecke> wow my uclibc build finished
May 30 15:54:32 <mickeyl> congrats
May 30 15:54:40 <mickeyl> didn't try uclibc since ages
May 30 15:54:49 <zecke> needs to rebuild it tomorrow with a known working uclibc
May 30 15:54:52 <mickeyl> ok, anyway bed time now
May 30 15:54:59 <mickeyl> g'night
May 30 15:55:01 <reenoo_> 'night mickeyl 
May 30 15:55:01 <zecke> cya
May 30 15:55:11 * zecke slowly heds to bed as well
May 30 16:04:07 * hrw too
May 30 16:04:36 <hrw> 0.9.27 should work
May 30 16:04:53 <hrw> and someone posted which revision of uclibc-svn should work also
May 30 16:04:57 <zecke> ok good nite
May 30 16:05:05 <zecke> hrw: yup bero did
May 30 16:05:34 <hrw> sooner or later he will join us probably
May 30 16:07:04 <zecke> ok good nite
May 30 16:07:09 <zecke> didn't he joined yet?
May 30 16:07:25 <zecke> the question is what ArkLinux can do for OE and viceversa
May 30 16:07:48 <zecke> he join even...
May 30 16:08:02 <hrw> I lost trace who is in
May 30 16:08:35 <zecke> hrw: hehe in as beeing in this channel?
May 30 16:09:07 <zecke> I know bero from my early days at KDE, and nowadays from KDE e.V.
May 30 16:09:28 <zecke> cya tomorrow
May 30 16:09:29 <hrw> in anything
May 30 16:09:31 <hrw> cu
May 30 16:09:37 <reenoo_> 'night zecke 
May 30 16:48:26 <reenoo_> 'night all
May 30 16:48:53 <ascent> hmm
May 30 16:48:59 <ascent> --01:48:31--  http://www.oesources.org/source/current/tximage-0.2.tar.gz
May 30 16:49:02 <ascent> that one 404'ers
May 30 16:49:26 <ascent> and there's no other site on google that supplies it :|
May 30 16:49:33 <ascent> that's on meta-opie
May 30 16:53:25 <hrw|gone> ascent: bk pull bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded/
May 30 16:54:12 <ascent> hm lets see
May 30 16:55:45 <ascent> keeps giving pull: cannot find package root, in what dir should it go ?
May 30 17:02:36 <ascent> It seems, according to the wiki, that I should use the /stuff/ dir, but it fails.
May 30 17:18:17 <ascent> ah, got it.
May 30 18:01:37 <jason> ascent: how did you get around it?
May 30 19:42:19 <Richard48> I am trying to bitbake meta-gpe and keep falling over at the same point with xset not finding X11/extensions/Print.h
May 30 19:42:36 <Richard48> This problem keeps appearing a disappearing, any clues?
May 30 22:25:21 <jason> i am a newbie here, so please forgive me for stupid questions.  
May 30 22:25:37 <jason> i kept getting ERROR: function do_stage failed ERROR: log data follows
May 30 22:25:44 <jason> install: cannot stat `flex': No such file or directory
May 30 22:25:58 <jason> i am certain that flex is installed
May 30 22:26:09 <jason> does anyone has any suggestions?   thanks
May 30 22:26:46 <luke-jr_> get rid of ASSUME_PROVIDED stuff?
May 30 22:27:41 <jumpkick> jason what distro?
May 30 22:27:45 <jason> thanks.  i will try that soon.
May 30 22:27:53 <jumpkick> in debian you can do: dpkg --get-selections | grep flex
May 30 22:27:57 <jason> it's for openzaurus
May 30 22:28:13 <jumpkick> you are building oz on oz... now that's cool
May 30 22:28:15 <jumpkick> :)
May 30 22:28:43 <jason> sorry.  i misunderstood you.  i am using suse building for oz
May 30 22:29:34 <jumpkick> you should be able to do rpm -q or something to query if flex is on
May 30 22:29:52 <luke-jr_> in my experience, OE seems to build all its tools...
May 30 22:29:58 <jason> ASSUME_PROVIDED  is commented out in my local.conf...
May 30 22:30:07 <luke-jr_> is flex an exception?
May 30 22:30:39 <jason> i don't believe it's the case.
May 30 22:30:41 <jumpkick> ASSUME_PROVIDED = "virtual/arm-linux-gcc-2.95" is what mine said
May 30 22:31:01 <jumpkick> building for a collie...   but haven't managed it successfully yet...
May 30 22:31:14 <jason> i will give that a try and see how it goes
May 30 22:31:15 <luke-jr_> jason: what is OE trying to build when you get the error?
May 30 22:31:18 <jumpkick> complains about no arm-linux-gcc-2.95 even though its in the path
May 30 22:31:33 <jason> it's trying to build lex-native-2.5.31
May 30 22:31:35 <luke-jr_> jumpkick: is PATH exported?
May 30 22:31:47 <jumpkick> hmm... not sure... 
May 30 22:32:05 <luke-jr_> jason: can you put the entire error stuff on pastebin.ca?
May 30 22:32:14 <luke-jr_> jumpkick: 'export PATH'
May 30 22:32:25 <jumpkick> that might be it... 
May 30 22:32:28 <jumpkick> thanks
May 30 22:32:28 <jason> luke-jr: how do i do that?
May 30 22:32:36 <luke-jr_> jason: go to pastebin.ca and paste it there
May 30 22:32:39 <jumpkick> I exported the BBPATH... but not the path
May 30 22:33:09 <luke-jr_> jumpkick: unless you export a var, no programs you run will see it
May 30 22:33:34 <jumpkick> yeah... I used to know that... :)
May 30 22:33:39 <luke-jr_> hehe
May 30 22:34:50 <robert__> hi all
May 30 22:35:09 <luke-jr_> hi
May 30 22:35:12 <jason> hi
May 30 22:35:29 <jason> luke-jr: i just posted to pastebin.ca
May 30 22:35:30 * luke-jr_ begins his nightly oz-ljr build
May 30 22:35:35 <luke-jr_> jason: link
May 30 22:35:43 <jason> http://pastebin.ca/13007
May 30 22:37:24 <luke-jr_> jason: rm -rf tmp/work/flex-native-*
May 30 22:37:44 <luke-jr_> jason: rm -f tmp/stamps/flex-native-*
May 30 22:37:47 <luke-jr_> jason: then try again
May 30 22:38:32 <jason> luke-jr: thanks.  i will try that.
May 30 22:42:03 <robert__> jason: bitbake -c clean flex-native
May 30 22:44:41 <jumpkick> sigh... still fails...
May 30 22:46:33 <luke-jr_> robert__: I really do things inefficiently, don't I? XD
May 30 22:46:44 <ljp> i couldnt get past flex either...
May 30 22:46:49 <ljp> but I give up easy
May 30 22:47:13 <robert__> luke-jr_: hehe :)
May 30 22:47:28 <jason> robert__:  trying bitbake -c clean flex-native now
May 30 22:47:34 <jason> keeping my finger crossed
May 30 22:48:18 <jumpkick> are symlinks okay for gcc?  i.e.  lrwxrwxrwx  1 bitbake bitbake      13 2005-05-30 22:45 arm-linux-gcc-2.95 -> arm-linux-gcc
May 30 22:48:27 <jumpkick> or do I have to copy the file
May 30 22:55:09 <jumpkick> is there a way to spead up bitbake handling files?
May 30 22:55:51 <jumpkick> I wish it would drop into interactive mode on an error with an option to retry or something
May 30 22:56:19 <jumpkick> the file parsing kills me each time I have to fiddle with something to try to get a build going
May 30 22:56:45 <luke-jr_> jumpkick: using an old bitbake>
May 30 22:56:45 <luke-jr_> ?
May 30 22:56:58 <jumpkick> 1.3.0
May 30 22:57:12 <luke-jr_> CACHE enabled?
May 30 22:57:18 <jumpkick> but it takes about 5 minutes to go through the 2000 files
May 30 22:57:25 <luke-jr_> oh
May 30 22:57:28 <jumpkick> says 2000 cached
May 30 22:57:30 <luke-jr_> 5 mins isn't a big deal...
May 30 22:57:39 <jumpkick> then it fails to compile in like 2 seconds
May 30 22:57:48 <jumpkick> and I have to change something and start over
May 30 22:57:53 <luke-jr_> you can use bitbake -b on an individual bb
May 30 22:58:01 <jumpkick> hmm...
May 30 22:58:16 <jumpkick> maybe I can just do the kernel since thats where it seems to bomb
May 30 23:00:38 <jumpkick> where do the bb files live?  in /openembbedded?
May 30 23:01:28 <jumpkick> nope in /tmp/cache/ w/ _home_bitbake_bb_openembedded_packages_ prefixed
May 30 23:04:10 <luke-jr_> no... in openembedded/packages/*/
May 30 23:04:39 <jumpkick> oh
May 30 23:05:27 <robert__> jumpkick: use BBMASK
May 30 23:05:40 <jumpkick> BBMASK?
May 30 23:06:02 <jumpkick> I'm using:  bitbake --buildfile=../openembedded/packages/linux/collie-kernel-64-0_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20030509.bb
May 30 23:06:41 <robert__> use BBMASK(in local.conf)to spead up bitbake handling files
May 30 23:06:42 <jumpkick> k, I got to sleep... 
May 30 23:06:47 <jumpkick> ooh
May 30 23:07:02 <jumpkick> I'll have to look at that
May 30 23:07:24 <jumpkick> k, nite all thanks for the help
May 30 23:07:31 <robert__> bye
May 30 23:09:43 <jason> hm...after cleaning flex still failed
May 30 23:11:20 <robert__> what error
May 30 23:11:46 <jason> ERROR: log data follows (/home/jyeh/OpenEmbeddedStuff/tmp/work/flex-native-2.5.31-r2/temp/log.do_stage.29867) | install: cannot stat `flex': No such file or directory
May 30 23:17:24 <jason> weird that flex-2.5.4-native-2.5.4 build without any problem.  
May 30 23:17:54 <jason> i remember reading it somewhere that there is a way to specify a specific version of software...i guess i will try that
May 30 23:19:02 <robert__> PREFERRED_VERSION_flex-native = "2.5.4"
May 30 23:19:14 <jason> robert__: thanks
May 30 23:32:40 <ljp> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsung-breaks-density-barrier-with-new-4GB-NAND-device-2419.shtml
May 30 23:49:46 <koen> good morning all
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